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	I don't see anybody from the public for comment.	00:00:00
	Approval of the minutes from the November 6, 2025. You all had a copy of them.	00:00:04
	A chance to look at a move to approve.	00:00:10
	OK, motion by Supervisor Kane.	00:00:12
	I'll second that. Seconded by supervisor Ringle.	00:00:15
	Any additions or corrections to them?	00:00:18
	I just have one thing under absent put excused absence on their Barb that that way you know because.	00:00:22
	I'll tell you it's it's real picky because sometimes people look back and see how many meetings you are at and if you were excused	00:00:29
	or not. And that's why I just like to have excused absences on there. You want me to change it on this one or moving forward?	00:00:36
	You could change it on this one.	00:00:43
	We had two people missing.	00:00:45
	So and they were both excused myself and Randy. So if you want to change it on this one, OK.	00:00:47
	And then correct my name on spelling on there too.	00:00:53
	As long as it changes.	00:00:58
	Sorry but that's it. That's all I got so.	00:01:01
	Everybody else got anything for changes or corrections? If not all in favor say aye.	00:01:06
	Aye, opposed. All right.	00:01:10
	Thank you.	00:01:12
	All right. Next we got engineering for the legal services roof replacement.	00:01:14
	Yeah. So that is in the the CIP plan for next year and I wanted to get started on the engineering on it already so that we were	00:01:20
	ready to go right after the first of the year.	00:01:25
	So we were originally just going to look at replacing the flat portion of that roof.	00:01:30
	But we have had some issues with the tiles in the past on the sloped.	00:01:37
	Portion over there.	00:01:41
	And so we really wanted to look at.	00:01:43
	What would it take to replace the entire roof?	00:01:45
	And so I did get a bid on the engineering to do the entire roof and.	00:01:47
	It came back higher than what our.	00:01:54
	Limits are for procurement.	00:01:57
	That we can just award. So I am going to have to draw bid specs.	00:01:59
	And we're going to have to put that out for bid for engineering services.	00:02:04
	OK, so anything over 25,000 requires a request for.	00:02:08
	Bids.	00:02:12
	And.	00:02:13
	This came in that a little higher than that.	00:02:14
	So we will put that out for bids and.	00:02:17
	We'll see what we get.	00:02:21
	Are you guys looking at just replacing what you got or you're looking at putting a pitch on it or?	00:02:23
	Just just replacing the flat roof on the Sheriff's Office and then we'll probably go with a.	00:02:28
	Alternate to replace the entire.	00:02:33
	Portion, but just based on their preliminary estimates, it's way more than what we put in the CIP for that building.	00:02:36
	So we'll probably just get the flat roof, but we will get.	00:02:43
	What we'll end up getting is a price on for an alternate so we will know what.	00:02:46
	Replacing the rest of it will be which we can put in.	00:02:51
	The budget for next year or add into the CIP for next year, whichever way we want to do it.	00:02:54
	But we will do all the engineering at one time.	00:03:00
	On there.	00:03:02
	OK.	00:03:03
	And the other one isn't leaking, it's just a flat one that's giving you.	00:03:04
	The problems.	00:03:07
	Correct.	00:03:08
	OK, we have replaced some of those green tiles before. They are not made in that size anymore when we did replace them.	00:03:09
	We had to get a different.	00:03:16
	Diameter tile it doesn't quite match, but.	00:03:18
	They are, you know, over 40 years old and probably the best thing to do is just get rid of those and and put.	00:03:22
	Green sheet steel roofing on that pitch portion. Steel color steel roof.	00:03:29
	Yep, Yep. So we will be working on that and getting that out for bids so we can get some comparisons and.	00:03:34
	Follow our procurement policies that we have.	00:03:41
	Sounds good.	00:03:45
	Anybody got any questions?	00:03:47
	So the tile really isn't any. I mean it is immediate need, it's just you're able to write.	00:03:50
	It's it's very old. And if we're going to do the whole thing, you know, why don't we look at getting rid of it before more of	00:03:55
	those do crack and.	00:03:59
	You know.	00:04:02
	You have a problem.	00:04:03
	What is it that of the stone on top of the fabric or is it just a fabric up there? The Sheriff's Office does have stone on it. It	00:04:05
	got stone over and then new one that you put on. I'll have the stone over it too, or.	00:04:10
	Or you just going to go out of fabric?	00:04:15
	We're going to see what?	00:04:17
	The engineering firm really recommends OK.	00:04:18
	And we'll go from there.	00:04:21
	Typically they're recommending fully adhered now rather than ballasted and most.	00:04:23
	Most reduced but.	00:04:27
	There's option.	00:04:29
	Times when the.	00:04:30
	Ballast is distilled.	00:04:31
	Good way to go.	00:04:33
	Was that a ceramic type tile or is that asbestos tile or?	00:04:35
	It's like a clay type.	00:04:39
	Tile. Get clay, Yeah.	00:04:41
	Yep.	00:04:45
	OK.	00:04:49
	Then let's move on to sex engineering for the courthouse rooftop.	00:04:52
	Chiller replacement.	00:04:56
	Yes, we'll be meeting with the engineer tomorrow morning. We will be signing the contract for that.	00:04:58
	I've already sent that through to Trista and Cameron has approved it also.	00:05:04
	And I said we'll be meeting tomorrow morning for them to draw.	00:05:09
	Specs on that chiller so we can get that out to bid right after the first of the year?	00:05:12
	We will not get it till fall, but we will.	00:05:19
	Do it all.	00:05:22
	At one time we did not have.	00:05:23
	Money in this year's budget to do the engineering this year and put the bids out in fall so we would get it in spring, so.	00:05:25
	We'll do everything in in 2026. We'll do the engineering, we'll get the chiller.	00:05:33
	Selected and.	00:05:38
	It'll be installed in the fall.	00:05:40
	Is that the last original one We got left and then they're all replaced?	00:05:43
	Jail too, OK.	00:05:47
	And how many? There's two of them up there.	00:05:51
	There's two for the courthouse and there's two for the jail.	00:05:53
	So that smaller one on the courthouse roof is the last one to be replaced.	00:05:56
	Gotcha.	00:06:00
	All right. Any other questions on that?	00:06:03
	I don't know if I missed it or not, but the.	00:06:06
	That.	00:06:08
	The unit on top of the.	00:06:10
	Jill, you guys talked about it last. We didn't yet. No. OK.	00:06:12
	We figured I'll wait till he gives his report on his we will get to that building repairs in there so.	00:06:16
	Yeah, I figured we'd wait till we got done for. All right then let's move on in a master plan update.	00:06:21
	Brett.	00:06:27
	You guys having fun?	00:06:34
	Oh, we're having a great.	00:06:36
	Lots of moving pieces right now, I'll bet you.	00:06:39
	A lot of questions on my end that there people are asking me and I said.	00:06:43
	I don't have an answer for yet.	00:06:47
	Yeah, I'm assuming that once I go through my 3 pages of notes, I have so I can keep my thoughts in order.	00:06:50
	You guys would have.	00:06:56
	Plenty of questions. OK, so for everyone who doesn't remember last time I was here, my name is Brad Kwasny with Venture	00:06:58
	Architects.	00:07:01
	So where we're at right now is we have toured.	00:07:06
	All of the buildings.	00:07:10
	A couple of times.	00:07:12
	We've talked to.	00:07:14
	Department heads key personnel.	00:07:16
	And we have made some.	00:07:18
	We've had we've got some conclusions on our end.	00:07:21
	That are driving the direction we're going with the master plan.	00:07:24
	And we've got.	00:07:28
	Some of the key things that we have concluded at this point are.	00:07:31
	The Henry Dodge building.	00:07:35
	Is.	00:07:38
	Structurally sound.	00:07:39
	That thing is a bunker.	00:07:40
	But everything inside of it is in horrible shape.	00:07:43
	It's all your mechanicals are beyond their useful life expectancy.	00:07:48
	And.	00:07:53
	Replacing them.	00:07:54
	Be very expensive.	00:07:57
	And you probably would never get return on investment for.	00:07:58
	For making that replacement so.	00:08:03
	That building, really.	00:08:06
	Probably.	00:08:07
	The most economical thing for you to do would be to vacate the building.	00:08:08
	And end up demolishing it and having that piece of property available for something else in the future.	00:08:12
	In the admin building where we are right now.	00:08:19
	Is generally.	00:08:22
	Oversized for what you have here for your departments.	00:08:24
	You've got.	00:08:27
	Additional space.	00:08:28
	Departments have obviously moved.	00:08:31
	From where things were Once Upon a time.	00:08:33
	So.	00:08:36
	That each individual department is.	00:08:36
	Not necessarily the right size they're.	00:08:40
	They're disjointed.	00:08:42
	They have a good sized office, but their storage is on three different floors. Mm-hmm.	00:08:43
	So just.	00:08:48
	There's there's movement that can be done.	00:08:50
	This building can easily be saved.	00:08:52
	The department.	00:08:57
	The county department that has the.	00:08:58
	Biggest needs?	00:09:00
	For better space.	00:09:02
	More efficient space.	00:09:04
	Without a doubt as a medical examiner.	00:09:06
	Currently it's on.	00:09:09
	Both sides of a hallway.	00:09:10
	Here.	00:09:12
	On the.	00:09:15
	4th floor I believe.	00:09:16
	Which?	00:09:18
	Not really optimal, but OK.	00:09:19
	And they're in the Henry Dodge building.	00:09:22
	Off of a main corridor.	00:09:25
	And.	00:09:28
	At best I could describe.	00:09:28
	Their space over there as.	00:09:31
	Abysmal.	00:09:33
	And is totally how they make that work.	00:09:34
	Just give your medical examiner pat on the back every time you see.	00:09:38
	Because that space.	00:09:42
	Terrible. Yeah.	00:09:43
	Have heard that before.	00:09:46
	You know when when he's got a lot past.	00:09:48
	You know.	00:09:50
	Bags of salt and pallets and forklifts to get to his space, which is.	00:09:51
	Partitioned off with movable wall partitions.	00:09:55
	And that's also double s as a storage space.	00:09:59
	It's it's.	00:10:03
	Really not a good space. He he needs a space.	00:10:05
	The next thing that.	00:10:09
	Is in our head. Is the.	00:10:11
	The men's group home.	00:10:14
	Not a DA compliant.	00:10:15
	It's lots of damage on it from.	00:10:17
	Wheelchairs.	00:10:20
	You know, not through.	00:10:21
	Misuse or anything willful.	00:10:22
	Just wheelchairs, damaging doors and frames and.	00:10:24
	It's, it's just, it's.	00:10:29
	It doesn't meet any ADA.	00:10:31
	Requirements.	00:10:33
	Right now.	00:10:35
	That should be.	00:10:36
	Replaced because I don't know that you can.	00:10:37
	Do much with that building.	00:10:40
	There's, there's, there's always a tipping point when you're talking about renovating.	00:10:43
	Versus building new?	00:10:47
	Where at some point in time the renovations will cost more than a new building will.	00:10:48
	This is one of those buildings that's probably at that point.	00:10:53
	Are you taking questions as we move along or OK?	00:10:57
	That one they just redid a bunch of the inside on it.	00:11:00
	They didn't make it 80.	00:11:03
	Apply Jody. This is the one on the Northside by.	00:11:05
	By Henry Dodge.	00:11:09
	This is not the one I got hit by the tornado. Oh, it's the one up on the hills is the men's one. The men's all OK? I'm sorry. The	00:11:10
	other one is the women's. OK.	00:11:14
	I didn't know there was some hands and a woman's. Yes. Yeah, it's basically, it's basically a trailer.	00:11:18
	All right. Is that, is that a demolition kind of deal to them?	00:11:24
	I don't think there's any way.	00:11:30
	It wouldn't have any use if you kept it.	00:11:32
	The the property it sits on would be more useful than than keeping that bill seeing with the Henry Dodge. You don't think anybody	00:11:35
	would be able to buy that and use it for anything?	00:11:40
	The cost to update all the mechanicals in it.	00:11:45
	Would be.	00:11:49
	So excessive.	00:11:51
	Not even putting like a wall unit.	00:11:52
	Air can turn it into apartments or anything.	00:11:55
	With wall units or anything like that.	00:11:59
	The.	00:12:00
	Problem with that is.	00:12:01
	It's a great idea because you'd save the cost of demolition.	00:12:03
	And someone could buy an existing building.	00:12:07
	But.	00:12:10
	You'd have to find somebody who would want to do that.	00:12:11
	And would have the follow through to do that.	00:12:14
	We've worked with so many.	00:12:16
	Communities, counties that have had buildings that they've had the same basic idea.	00:12:19
	And someone will come in and for dirt cheap they'll buy the building.	00:12:25
	And then?	00:12:29
	Nothing ever have set.	00:12:30
	It's just the one across the road here. Is there any way you could do an assessment on land value compared to maybe?	00:12:32
	If you.	00:12:38
	Is there any way you can put feelers out for some building like that for a Realty value? Or if anybody would be interested, it	00:12:41
	would be something where as we get deeper into what I'm talking about today.	00:12:46
	We're looking at putting other things out on that property.	00:12:52
	So.	00:12:55
	You would have to.	00:12:57
	Parcel that.	00:12:58
	Break that piece off.	00:12:59
	And I don't know that that would be in your best interest.	00:13:01
	Because then you'd have like.	00:13:05
	A sliver of property surrounded by stuff you probably want to keep.	00:13:07
	For your own purposes.	00:13:11
	Because.	00:13:13
	You know.	00:13:14
	We're looking at your immediate needs, but we're also trying to look decades ahead.	00:13:15
	Yeah, and.	00:13:19
	At some point in time.	00:13:21
	This building is going to age out.	00:13:23
	You know, it's been around a long time.	00:13:25
	You know the original was.	00:13:27
	3737.	00:13:29
	You know it's going to age out at some point in time, so.	00:13:31
	Somewhere.	00:13:33
	Decades down the road.	00:13:35
	You're going to have to replace this building.	00:13:37
	And to replace this building.	00:13:39
	You're going to need a place to put people.	00:13:41
	And if you have a.	00:13:44
	Blank piece of property.	00:13:45
	Already in your possession?	00:13:48
	You're you're in great shape.	00:13:50
	Because the land you have out there would be great.	00:13:52
	To just do.	00:13:55
	What you need for this building?	00:13:56
	So I mean, we could, we could look at the value of it.	00:13:59
	I don't know that is in your best interest though.	00:14:03
	Long term.	00:14:06
	Short term.	00:14:07
	Sure.	00:14:09
	Say none of the none of the additions they put on either that.	00:14:10
	Gym or anything that wouldn't be anything salvageable would probably tear that down too.	00:14:14
	Use it for storage, maybe temporarily until you, because you could always tear it down later.	00:14:22
	I need you don't have to tear it down right away.	00:14:27
	I mean.	00:14:29
	With with the steps that you would have to take for.	00:14:30
	Everything that we're going to be talking about today.	00:14:33
	It'll it'll all have to be phased. There's no way you just say.	00:14:37
	Here's an enormous sum of money that we just have lying around.	00:14:40
	Now do everything.	00:14:46
	It's going to have to be.	00:14:47
	Do this piece.	00:14:49
	Then do this piece.	00:14:51
	Because it has to be.	00:14:53
	We have to pay attention to, you know, mill rates and taxes and you know, how the the financial impact.	00:14:56
	On the people of Dodge County so.	00:15:01
	The demolition of that.	00:15:04
	Would be the lowest priority.	00:15:06
	So if something were to fall into your lap where somebody would want that before you would ever tear it down.	00:15:10
	You know then absolutely you can. You can do something with because it it would not be your high priority to tear it down.	00:15:16
	It's it's a much higher priority.	00:15:22
	To get out of there, yeah.	00:15:24
	Because.	00:15:25
	You guys are probably there.	00:15:27
	Yeah, non-stop.	00:15:29
	Trying to just keep it running. Yeah, I've seen it, yeah. Nickel and dimer, yeah.	00:15:30
	And it's it's not getting better.	00:15:36
	All right, Well, in the process of this would be a place for cold storage just to jam everything that's kind of in your way, just	00:15:38
	as a storage, you know, and a.	00:15:42
	I Until you tear it down and decide what you're gonna do with.	00:15:47
	The extra doors, desks, all the stuff you're moving out of here you have a lot of.	00:15:51
	Rooms.	00:15:57
	Scattered around your campus that.	00:15:58
	They can be described as.	00:16:03
	We might have some use for this someday.	00:16:08
	Or as we have jokingly referred to them.	00:16:11
	During our walkthroughs, they're the pre dumpster rooms. You know you don't want to throw them away yet, yeah?	00:16:14
	But eventually you're going to.	00:16:20
	Because the vast majority of it is never going to get used.	00:16:22
	You know you've got a lot of those.	00:16:25
	You know, and and and hanging on to a building.	00:16:30
	For the purpose of storing that stuff probably isn't helping you any.	00:16:33
	But in the short term before you, yes, it could absolutely be sort of stuff inner. If you're done with a building, you just leave	00:16:36
	it in there and you just blessed it all down together.	00:16:41
	You would have to maintain some level of heat to prevent, you know, pipes from bursting and things like that. So it doesn't.	00:16:47
	You know it's not entirely off here To Do List.	00:16:54
	But maintaining heat up there is an issue. It's a big issue if you don't use a building, can you just?	00:16:58
	Drain everything so you don't have to eat it.	00:17:03
	You can run into mold issues.	00:17:07
	And that's why we keep the air handlers running summer and winter in.	00:17:09
	J Pod across the street.	00:17:12
	OK. Because originally when they vacated it, we did turn them off for a while. We did end up with a whole lot of mold on the lower	00:17:14
	level.	00:17:17
	All right, sorry to interrupt. No problem. It's, it's probably.	00:17:26
	With as.	00:17:30
	Complex as this is going to get, it's probably easier to jump in.	00:17:31
	You know, just as things pop up OK.	00:17:35
	Another thing that just sort of.	00:17:39
	It really is a request that just sort of came up out of nowhere.	00:17:41
	There was a request made to look into the idea of.	00:17:45
	Adding a daycare.	00:17:48
	Somewhere.	00:17:49
	So we've got a spot where we could do that.	00:17:51
	There's a lot that goes into.	00:17:54
	The design of a daycare.	00:17:56
	You know what age group of kids? How many kids?	00:17:57
	There's a lot involved in that.	00:18:00
	So.	00:18:02
	There's space.	00:18:03
	There is space to do it. We can really look into that when it gets more to it.	00:18:04
	A design phase.	00:18:08
	Just know it can be done if if that.	00:18:10
	If you choose to go that direction.	00:18:13
	So, and the the reason that came up is that is included in the county's 20 year comprehensive plan is the lack of daycare.	00:18:15
	For the entire county, not just.	00:18:23
	For here, for employees, but for the entire county. So that's why it was asked to be looked at.	00:18:25
	In this master plan also, if that's something that is.	00:18:31
	Feasible to?	00:18:34
	Assist not only employees but other.	00:18:36
	County residents.	00:18:38
	Other items the Sheriff's Department.	00:18:42
	And the jail.	00:18:46
	Would become.	00:18:48
	Much more efficient.	00:18:51
	If they were.	00:18:52
	Adjacent connected to one another.	00:18:53
	It's not.	00:18:56
	It's not horrid.	00:18:57
	Being a block away.	00:18:58
	But it's not optimal either.	00:18:59
	That would not be a very easy.	00:19:02
	Fix to make that happen because.	00:19:05
	You'd really have to move the sheriff over.	00:19:07
	To the jail site and and it is rather limited with where you can add so.	00:19:09
	We think we found a way that it could be done.	00:19:15
	So that is.	00:19:18
	I would say probably a lower priority than any of the first ones that I've listed.	00:19:20
	Additionally.	00:19:26
	The evidence storage building.	00:19:29
	You know.	00:19:31
	Still.	00:19:32
	Your damaged building.	00:19:33
	It's probably not in the.	00:19:35
	Most optimal location.	00:19:37
	So if we moved it out of.	00:19:40
	Basically the highway department.	00:19:42
	Yard umm.	00:19:44
	We can move it out.	00:19:45
	Near the.	00:19:47
	Henry Dodge.	00:19:49
	Put on the Henry Dodge property.	00:19:50
	We could also.	00:19:52
	Locate a storage building.	00:19:53
	For the sheriff's vehicles.	00:19:55
	Out in the same location.	00:19:56
	And that way everything.	00:19:59
	For the sheriff, that's.	00:20:00
	Remote is in the same spot.	00:20:01
	And then lastly.	00:20:08
	The old jail buildings.	00:20:12
	They're kind of just used for training right now.	00:20:15
	I'm not sure.	00:20:20
	We can investigate. Can you do renovations in there?	00:20:23
	And make them.	00:20:28
	Viable for something?	00:20:29
	Or is that another location that might be more cost effective for you to?	00:20:30
	Tear those down and then have the land available.	00:20:35
	For something else, one of the things we were looking at is.	00:20:38
	Can we put the medical examiner over there?	00:20:41
	And, and there's a whole lot that goes into the medical examiner.	00:20:45
	You know, like would you ever be interested in?	00:20:49
	Hiring a pathologist to do your own autopsies or you're just going to continue to ship them out to other facilities?	00:20:51
	That's that's a tough.	00:20:59
	Ask because there's not a lot of pathologists in this country.	00:21:01
	They're not turning them out real fast. They're hard to get.	00:21:04
	But just getting a facility for your medical examiner, that would be a pretty good location.	00:21:08
	To do that.	00:21:12
	So.	00:21:15
	With all of those.	00:21:16
	Rough conclusions in mind.	00:21:19
	We've come up with.	00:21:22
	Two basic options, and obviously one is we wanted the driver is.	00:21:25
	We want to vacate Henry Dodge.	00:21:29
	And to do that.	00:21:31
	We've looked at.	00:21:34
	On the site with Henry Dodge.	00:21:36
	We could build.	00:21:39
	A new.	00:21:40
	Building.	00:21:42
	To replace what's in Henry Dodge.	00:21:43
	Build a new building. Move people out of Henry Dodge into the new building.	00:21:45
	Relatively simple.	00:21:49
	Downside to that is.	00:21:52
	It's going to take a while for that construction, for that project to happen and that whole time that Henry Dodge building is.	00:21:55
	Going to continue to deteriorate.	00:22:02
	Umm, so.	00:22:07
	What we?	00:22:09
	Also are looking at.	00:22:10
	Would be.	00:22:14
	Umm.	00:22:15
	We could. We could look at.	00:22:19
	Purchasing.	00:22:21
	A site.	00:22:23
	That has a vacant building on it.	00:22:24
	That is large enough.	00:22:26
	To accommodate.	00:22:27
	Your staff needs.	00:22:29
	And one of the options we were looking at.	00:22:32
	That, we thought, would make a lot of sense.	00:22:34
	Would be to purchase a building.	00:22:36
	That has the square footage you need.	00:22:39
	Renovate the building.	00:22:41
	And move all of your functions out of this building.	00:22:43
	Into the new building.	00:22:46
	Once everyone's out of here, you can renovate this building. Move the functions from Henry dot. Renovate this building for the	00:22:50
	Henry Dodge.	00:22:53
	To come here.	00:22:57
	The only thing from Henry Dodge that wouldn't move.	00:22:59
	Would be.	00:23:03
	Umm, the CBRF.	00:23:07
	You could move to Clearview because Clearview has vacant space that could be filled.	00:23:09
	The only problem with that second option is that would probably take longer to do than your first option with the new building,	00:23:16
	right or not.	00:23:19
	Not necessarily, no.	00:23:23
	I think the intent was to try to keep everything.	00:23:27
	In a central location here.	00:23:30
	For people, when they come, you don't have to, you know, send them.	00:23:33
	Like you're looking for a.	00:23:37
	Big vacant building that you could renovate and make use of for this building, you know.	00:23:38
	Who knows where that?	00:23:44
	Big bacon building would be unless you had something in mind already and.	00:23:45
	But then it would be off outside of June or it could be in Beaver Dam or you know.	00:23:50
	I think we would be looking at keeping it.	00:23:55
	In June.	00:23:58
	OK, it would be.	00:23:58
	Stay close.	00:24:00
	Absolutely OK, because we've done work with many other counties that.	00:24:01
	Are kind of far-flung.	00:24:07
	Actually I just did a.	00:24:09
	Master planning for Winnebago County.	00:24:11
	And one of their big problems is.	00:24:13
	They've got this building here and then.	00:24:16
	They work closely with departments in this building that's two blocks away.	00:24:18
	And then there's another building that's four blocks away. Then sudden there's someone on the North End of town. And when people	00:24:22
	come in to have to do business, sometimes they're going to four different building, right?	00:24:26
	So we would definitely try and avoid that.	00:24:32
	OK.	00:24:34
	I mean.	00:24:35
	It there would be an option to just build 1?	00:24:36
	Brand new complex.	00:24:39
	To house everything.	00:24:41
	You know everything from here and.	00:24:43
	From.	00:24:45
	Henry.	00:24:46
	That would be.	00:24:48
	That would be one that you couldn't do in pieces.	00:24:51
	You know, options look like renovating a building.	00:24:55
	And then?	00:24:58
	Renovating another building.	00:24:59
	You can do those in different pieces.	00:25:00
	And would have less impact on your.	00:25:03
	On your mill rate.	00:25:06
	So we're trying to.	00:25:07
	Keep that.	00:25:09
	In mind because.	00:25:10
	As soon as it becomes unaffordable.	00:25:11
	We don't solve anything.	00:25:14
	Right.	00:25:15
	So.	00:25:17
	You know if if you would.	00:25:18
	Were to build a new building for the Human Services and building it out there where the Henry Dodge building is.	00:25:19
	Would you guys allow enough space there so that we could?	00:25:26
	You know, because we are looking 20 years out at our buildings.	00:25:29
	That if we did get rid of another building, there's another building we could add on to that.	00:25:33
	You know, on to that and then as we get rid of another building, we could add on it, add down the road, you know, where there's	00:25:38
	enough space so you could have everything in a central.	00:25:43
	Yes, there there is a lot of property out there because you own that field to the north where the water tower is, so.	00:25:48
	That's just currently a field, so you have all of that space available and everything that's around Henry Dodge.	00:25:56
	And once you.	00:26:02
	Once you can empty.	00:26:04
	That building?	00:26:07
	You can carry that building down and you have that property available to you as well.	00:26:08
	So.	00:26:12
	It's it's moving.	00:26:12
	Parts.	00:26:14
	But it does.	00:26:15
	Keep.	00:26:17
	You could have everything on that.	00:26:18
	On that property.	00:26:20
	How are you going to decide how big to build that first building? Do you have all the square, our offices and square footage	00:26:22
	figured out? We have all the current square footages of all the departments.	00:26:28
	And we've talked to all the department heads.	00:26:34
	We've looked at, you know, how much do they project growth.	00:26:37
	Or or do they project stability? Most of them are thinking they're pretty stable.	00:26:41
	Human Services.	00:26:46
	Always grows.	00:26:47
	Everywhere under the sun, it's it's state mandates and things like that. Human Services. Gross.	00:26:49
	But.	00:26:55
	Most of the rest of the departments are pretty stable.	00:26:56
	And like I said.	00:26:59
	In this building, the offices are generally.	00:27:01
	Oversized.	00:27:05
	So we could look at.	00:27:07
	Shrinking what you have.	00:27:09
	So yes, we do have the numbers.	00:27:11
	And when we're.	00:27:13
	Putting things together right now.	00:27:15
	But it would be.	00:27:18
	You know, just using square foot blocks.	00:27:19
	Not, uh.	00:27:22
	We're not designing a building for you right now.	00:27:23
	That's.	00:27:25
	Another phase.	00:27:26
	But we, yeah, we, we, we have the numbers we need to be able to do it. But if once you get to that design phase.	00:27:28
	Then it would be.	00:27:35
	Talking with everyone.	00:27:36
	Again. And really.	00:27:38
	Narrowing down.	00:27:39
	How things want to layout?	00:27:40
	But the space is there.	00:27:43
	Is there usually like a?	00:27:45
	How many floor?	00:27:48
	Best general practice idea there is for.	00:27:51
	Hard. You know what I mean? Because you can always. You could always keep adding buildings four stories high. Or do you?	00:27:54
	Want to go higher or?	00:28:00
	Or stay at a certain level with that or.	00:28:02
	The fewer the better.	00:28:06
	But it's not uncommon to do.	00:28:08
	You know.	00:28:11
	Yep, 3 probably Max.	00:28:12
	Maxes out.	00:28:14
	For what you'd want to do.	00:28:16
	There's certain departments that just want to be on the ground floor.	00:28:18
	You know your Veteran Services ADRC.	00:28:22
	You know, the ones where you you might have people coming in.	00:28:24
	That, uh.	00:28:27
	You know, it might have mobility issues. You want to keep them on the ground floor.	00:28:28
	Others can move up and up and up.	00:28:32
	But but 3 is probably.	00:28:35
	Where you'd want to Max out.	00:28:38
	Yeah, construction wise, having to create everything on the roof and everything to be and and, you know.	00:28:40
	That's not even very hard.	00:28:46
	That's not a big deal.	00:28:48
	It's more usability.	00:28:51
	For the people coming in.	00:28:53
	You know, some people just.	00:28:54
	I mean, currently you've got.	00:28:56
	Plenty of floors here and people are going up and down and they're used to it, so could you?	00:28:58
	Go fork because people are used to that. Absolutely you could.	00:29:02
	It might make more sense for you to go 3.	00:29:07
	And just.	00:29:10
	Be more organized and how it's laid out.	00:29:11
	But you'd have a lot of space.	00:29:14
	Out by the Henry Dodge property to do that.	00:29:16
	So that would also be a design issue.	00:29:19
	For how we want to do it.	00:29:22
	Would probably try and do it too.	00:29:24
	Umm, but it all. You know, certain departments work with other departments regularly.	00:29:27
	So you want to cluster them together?	00:29:34
	And.	00:29:36
	Eventually you can go down the line because.	00:29:37
	There's this chunk of departments don't work with these, so you can.	00:29:39
	Keep moving out or you can go up. It's just.	00:29:43
	It's a.	00:29:49
	It's truly a design option. It's it.	00:29:50
	Becomes the choice of, you know, whatever committee we're working with.	00:29:52
	And and.	00:29:56
	The economics of the site.	00:29:58
	Um, let's see, what else do we have?	00:30:15
	If.	00:30:19
	For example, you wanted to.	00:30:20
	Build a new building out by.	00:30:24
	Henry Dodge for.	00:30:26
	The departments that are out there.	00:30:27
	And you wanted to keep everyone that's here, here and not purchase another property or anything like that?	00:30:29
	You could renovate this space while it's still operational.	00:30:38
	Here's the drawback.	00:30:42
	Every space that you want to renovate.	00:30:44
	You have to have a space.	00:30:46
	For those people to work.	00:30:48
	While their space is being renovated.	00:30:50
	There is.	00:30:53
	An open space down in the basement.	00:30:54
	That we could build out as an office.	00:30:58
	And people could then.	00:31:00
	You could take a department.	00:31:02
	Relocate it down there, renovate their space.	00:31:04
	And.	00:31:08
	Move.	00:31:09
	Whatever department is going to go into that space.	00:31:11
	Into that space.	00:31:14
	Renovate the next space.	00:31:15
	You know, move and just keep moving, people.	00:31:18
	Into this.	00:31:20
	Temporary space.	00:31:21
	And then to a renovated space and just keep doing that.	00:31:23
	Downside with that.	00:31:26
	You'll probably have years of renovation.	00:31:28
	Which would be.	00:31:30
	Years of noise.	00:31:32
	And dust.	00:31:34
	And.	00:31:35
	It some disruption.	00:31:37
	Yeah.	00:31:40
	There's there will be confusion because people will come in and they're going to say.	00:31:41
	Well, I've always gone to this department on the second floor.	00:31:45
	But now they're in the basement.	00:31:50
	And and no one goes to the basement other than people who work here.	00:31:52
	So it can be done.	00:31:58
	There is a way to do it?	00:31:59
	But.	00:32:00
	It may be.	00:32:01
	Confusing to some and.	00:32:04
	The people who work in this building will get tired of the noise and the dirt.	00:32:07
	I think.	00:32:17
	We generally covered.	00:32:20
	The main points of everything.	00:32:22
	Umm.	00:32:26
	So.	00:32:28
	Just to kind of wrap things up, we we had.	00:32:30
	Obviously hoped at this point in time that we would be much farther along in the process and we would be presenting to the full	00:32:33
	board with a final report.	00:32:37
	But as you can tell, we've got a lot of moving parts that we're.	00:32:41
	Still investigating.	00:32:44
	And.	00:32:49
	There's actually a few smaller points that are still.	00:32:50
	Kind of behind the scenes.	00:32:53
	Um, but.	00:32:57
	Our next step?	00:32:58
	Really would be to.	00:32:59
	Bring Samuels group in.	00:33:01
	And they'll start putting costs.	00:33:04
	To these options.	00:33:05
	And with these costs, then we can.	00:33:08
	We can issue the final report.	00:33:11
	To the full board.	00:33:13
	And.	00:33:15
	At that point in time, we could work with your, your finance director, your bonding agency and we can start.	00:33:16
	Talking about those mill rates and how it would impact each different option would impact taxes and how to phase it.	00:33:22
	To have the least amount of impact.	00:33:29
	You know that would be.	00:33:31
	The next steps moving forward.	00:33:33
	So I guess.	00:33:38
	I, I mean, I just blasted you with a bunch of ideas, yeah.	00:33:40
	So that's good. So your head is probably spinning, but if there is anything you heard that you said.	00:33:44
	We absolutely don't like that idea.	00:33:49
	And you can take an idea off of our plate right now. Yeah, we will not be disappointed.	00:33:52
	If you, if you want us to just keep pursuing all the options, we will keep pursuing all the options and we'll give you prices on	00:33:57
	all the options.	00:34:01
	Or if there's one that you all say, you know what?	00:34:05
	We really like.	00:34:08
	That idea.	00:34:10
	We can pursue that.	00:34:11
	So if there's.	00:34:15
	If there's anything that you feel strongly about, just just let me know and.	00:34:16
	And we can.	00:34:20
	Either drop it or.	00:34:20
	Just point ourselves.	00:34:22
	That direction.	00:34:23
	Or, like I said, we could just keep looking at them all.	00:34:25
	Yeah, and you know.	00:34:27
	Really, we're not that far behind the 8 ball. John and I were talking about that.	00:34:29
	And the timeline really isn't that far off.	00:34:33
	When you look at how we.	00:34:35
	We had a slow start to this whole thing.	00:34:38
	And we're not really that far off.	00:34:40
	But my my suggestion, I don't know how the rest of the committee feels, but my suggestion would be.	00:34:43
	Before we hire Samuelson on to well, they're already part of the different part of our group.	00:34:49
	OK.	00:34:54
	But we have to pay them to put prices on everything. They're already part of our, they're built in our part of that contract to	00:34:55
	get the prices on.	00:34:59
	OK, because I would like to.	00:35:03
	Have you give that presentation you just gave to us?	00:35:05
	To the whole board, so that at least.	00:35:08
	Because they keep asking questions.	00:35:11
	About all this stuff, you know.	00:35:13
	I'd rather have you give them.	00:35:15
	The presentation you gave us tonight and then say, OK, our next step is to have.	00:35:17
	The other part of our.	00:35:23
	Group.	00:35:24
	Start putting numbers on it, you know, at least that would put them at rest and and it would show them how far you guys are.	00:35:25
	Sure, with the plan.	00:35:32
	Because. Because right now they.	00:35:34
	They're not seeing what's going on. No, it just looks like we're dragging all being done. By now, we should be.	00:35:35
	You know, in, in, in their defense.	00:35:42
	A lot of the things that have delayed this were requests from Dodge County.	00:35:45
	Yeah, You know, they came back with some preliminary ideas. They met with myself and Phil and and Cameron and.	00:35:49
	We looked at some of their preliminary designs and that really got us thinking.	00:35:57
	About some other things that we had not talked about before.	00:36:01
	And so a couple weeks ago, Phil and I did go down and we met with the Brad and Corey down at their facility in Milwaukee.	00:36:05
	And we said, what if we wanted to look at this and what if we wanted to look at that? So a lot of the delay here.	00:36:12
	In this final.	00:36:19
	Process is.	00:36:21
	On Dodge County that we came up with additional ideas that we wanted to look at.	00:36:23
	And we wanted to make sure that.	00:36:27
	We did cover all our bases that we didn't overlook any potential options.	00:36:29
	So I don't think that delaying this a month or two.	00:36:35
	It is a is a.	00:36:41
	Big deal.	00:36:42
	Just to make sure that we.	00:36:44
	Have the best possible.	00:36:46
	Product that they're going to deliver to us.	00:36:48
	As far as what you're saying and delaying it a month or two, I mean that it's stretching out a month or two longer than what we	00:36:52
	thought. It wasn't Jody, that's what I'm saying.	00:36:56
	I think that's a small price to pay for making sure that we get the best options possible and that we have looked at.	00:37:01
	Everything out there that we've.	00:37:08
	Exhausted all the ideas that are out there and and that they've.	00:37:10
	Done all the research on them.	00:37:14
	That that's what I'm saying. And basically once you move forward and you move into a design phase.	00:37:16
	That's going to take some time.	00:37:22
	And you can really start to.	00:37:24
	Shoot for a schedule.	00:37:26
	For when you want to stick a shovel in the ground.	00:37:28
	At that point.	00:37:31
	So, uh.	00:37:32
	You know, again, we're talking about a lot of moving parts and several buildings and a lot going on.	00:37:33
	So.	00:37:38
	There would be quite a bit of process on the design side.	00:37:40
	The only one I have a question about or that makes me.	00:37:44
	Think about saying hold on with that one is is that.	00:37:48
	J Pod One.	00:37:52
	Turning that into.	00:37:54
	A umm.	00:37:55
	What was that? The examiner?	00:37:59
	Aren't we going to need more parking?	00:38:03
	Then that was, we're talking about taking that building down and.	00:38:05
	And I know there's a lot of asbestos removal that's gotta happen in there and there's a lot of bad pipes in there, right?	00:38:08
	There is asbestos in the building, but there's a lot of bad pipes and stuff too. And they're right, like steam pipes and stuff	00:38:14
	that were going bad.	00:38:18
	And it's isn't it like?	00:38:21
	Rebar.	00:38:24
	All through all the.	00:38:25
	And it's going to be really hard to remodel that building.	00:38:27
	It would. It would be.	00:38:30
	It would be far more complex than.	00:38:33
	You know, renovating.	00:38:35
	You know, a standard office building.	00:38:36
	So.	00:38:39
	And with the age of the original.	00:38:41
	Piece of that.	00:38:43
	You know you probably are better off.	00:38:44
	Just.	00:38:47
	Tearing that down.	00:38:48
	And having that property for your use, yeah.	00:38:49
	But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't investigate what it would take but the demo.	00:38:54
	The internal demo on that would be.	00:38:59
	Pretty, pretty extensive.	00:39:01
	Do you know how long it'll take to put numbers on?	00:39:05
	On some of these.	00:39:09
	We work with Samuels.	00:39:11
	Quite a bit and and.	00:39:14
	They are.	00:39:15
	Much faster than you would think.	00:39:16
	OK, Yeah.	00:39:18
	Typically.	00:39:20
	We'll meet with them and we'll talk through it and.	00:39:21
	And then we'll be in constant contact for.	00:39:24
	A few weeks and they'll have numbers for us.	00:39:27
	So John, you're kind of saying, you know, even if we delayed it a month?	00:39:30
	Then if we delayed it a month.	00:39:35
	Then you're saying.	00:39:37
	Then they could come back with the numbers and.	00:39:38
	I, I just those are just one.	00:39:41
	I, I know people are looking for results on this, but you know, we're, we're past the budget.	00:39:44
	You know, obviously we're not going to do anything in 2026 because we don't have money budgeted so.	00:39:49
	That's right.	00:39:54
	Is it really a big deal if we say, Brad, we really want results in January or if we want them in February? Does it? Does it	00:39:55
	really?	00:39:58
	Matter at this point in time.	00:40:02
	And I said my main thought is.	00:40:05
	Getting the best possible options that that's what I'm after.	00:40:07
	So I, I don't know, it's, it's up to you guys. You guys are the committee, you're the ones that.	00:40:12
	It is a 20 year old look on our building.	00:40:17
	Or or or farther out.	00:40:20
	And I I agree we should be very thorough with this.	00:40:22
	Seeing that we're doing this, you know?	00:40:26
	And.	00:40:29
	I don't have a problem with that.	00:40:30
	I mean.	00:40:32
	Would just tell us why we wanted to have Brad come in and address you guys and say, OK, this is what we've done, this is where	00:40:34
	we're at and this is what we still need to to look at yet. So that's why we wanted to up.	00:40:39
	Date you guys as the building committee and.	00:40:44
	See what you guys want to do.	00:40:48
	Yeah. I just thought, you know, if he could just give a preliminary without the numbers on where we're at.	00:40:49
	Just to keep the board, sure.	00:40:54
	Happy what? Where we're at?	00:40:56
	And then say, OK, but now we have to start.	00:40:58
	Looking at.	00:41:02
	The prices of things and we'll be coming back to you future with the prices.	00:41:03
	You know that would that way at least the board would have an idea on.	00:41:08
	What we're looking at.	00:41:13
	They could also watch the video of this meeting.	00:41:15
	And they could do that too.	00:41:17
	Mean the only thing really hurrying this along is not wanting to spend more money on Henry Dodge.	00:41:21
	Yeah, right.	00:41:26
	Yep, Yep, that's the whole thing. I'm on the same level with that Henry Dodge building. And the longer it takes to see the	00:41:27
	elevator, the boiler, and you got to stick a major amount of money in there just to keep it operational for a little while and	00:41:32
	then just shortly after you're getting rid of it.	00:41:36
	I cringe every time I see you guys have to stick a dime in that building.	00:41:41
	You know, yeah.	00:41:45
	Well, because I'm more money ahead on.	00:41:46
	Building, I mean, you don't want to spend good money over bad and on yeah and and the promise the the building structurally isn't.	00:41:48
	It's it's a solid building. Yeah. It's just.	00:41:55
	Everything inside of it is everything else it's at or beyond its useful life.	00:41:58
	And it's.	00:42:03
	Being held together with twine and duct tape and bubble gum.	00:42:04
	Whatever else John can get his hands on, right?	00:42:08
	Have we got up John's budget for more?	00:42:11
	Tape and bubble gum.	00:42:14
	But I I don't think we're real far away from.	00:42:17
	Yeah, it doesn't sound like us.	00:42:20
	No, no, we're not. We're not far at all.	00:42:22
	Have we done a?	00:42:25
	A parking study though, with all these options, I mean, are we gonna have parking issues?	00:42:27
	Depending on what we do and so forth.	00:42:32
	We have not.	00:42:35
	Done.	00:42:36
	A study on the parking, but what we're looking at right now.	00:42:37
	Really wouldn't change.	00:42:42
	Any of the parking.	00:42:44
	Here.	00:42:46
	On these couple of blocks.	00:42:47
	The only place where anything might change would be.	00:42:50
	Out by Henry Dodge. Well, I know they talked about adding on to the sheriff's building right now and putting offices on there.	00:42:53
	That was part of a possible thing where we're looking at is not touching parking. It would be.	00:42:59
	In well.	00:43:05
	If we would.	00:43:08
	Want to do anything to the sheriff? It would make the most sense to add the sheriff on to the jail.	00:43:09
	And not.	00:43:14
	You know you don't want to spend millions of dollars.	00:43:16
	To do something to expand the sheriff here.	00:43:19
	If.	00:43:22
	In the long run.	00:43:23
	It's better and more efficient to have the sheriff attached to the jail, but originally they had talked about moving.	00:43:25
	Putting a new sheriff's building and then moving admin into the sheriff's building.	00:43:31
	And then adding offices on to that.	00:43:35
	That was one of the original ideas that was floating around and then they were talking about, well then we might need more parking	00:43:38
	than if we do that there.	00:43:42
	So that's.	00:43:46
	Kind of where I was getting that because they were if they tore jpod down.	00:43:47
	That was part of their idea.	00:43:51
	I don't think we're really trending that way at this point in time.	00:43:55
	I don't think so. I think, I think.	00:44:00
	Those ideas sound like they were.	00:44:03
	Very specific to a very.	00:44:06
	Unique individual need.	00:44:09
	And what we're looking at.	00:44:11
	Addresses your whole campus.	00:44:13
	And I think we wouldn't really be.	00:44:16
	We wouldn't be impacting.	00:44:18
	The parking here.	00:44:19
	OK. It we wouldn't be improving it probably.	00:44:20
	But we wouldn't be making it worse either.	00:44:25
	You're not adding people.	00:44:27
	Two of these buildings where we would need more.	00:44:29
	Parking so.	00:44:32
	That's kind of what you're saying, correct?	00:44:33
	Now the the sheriff.	00:44:35
	To jail and a coroner. Is that a possibility to get that all in one building or not? Not really.	00:44:37
	Because you'd want to corner with the sheriff in a jail together, correct? We would like them to be as close as possible. It makes	00:44:44
	the most sense to do that.	00:44:48
	Which is why, you know, if if we could give the Emmy.	00:44:55
	A spot right over here, yeah.	00:44:59
	At most.	00:45:01
	You know, at this point in time, you'd essentially be connected to the sheriff.	00:45:03
	And at most, if the sheriff then moves over to the jail there one block away.	00:45:07
	So that's which is better than.	00:45:12
	The big circle at the corners Doing now, yeah.	00:45:14
	You know.	00:45:17
	So.	00:45:20
	Could we?	00:45:21
	Find a spot.	00:45:23
	If the sheriff someday would move to the jail.	00:45:25
	Could we find a spot?	00:45:29
	For the Emmy over there.	00:45:31
	That would be hard.	00:45:33
	Because there's a large.	00:45:35
	Storm.	00:45:37
	Area that.	00:45:39
	Takes up that run a lot of room and I don't know.	00:45:41
	You. I've talked to our civil engineers.	00:45:46
	In house on this and.	00:45:50
	You can't really.	00:45:53
	Dig deeper and expand that.	00:45:54
	To make it a smaller footprint.	00:45:57
	Because.	00:45:59
	The.	00:46:01
	The limiting factor.	00:46:02
	Is the outlet.	00:46:03
	Connects.	00:46:05
	To the to the sewer underneath the road somewhere elevations are.	00:46:06
	And you have to has to flow downhill at some point, so.	00:46:11
	The way you would do that.	00:46:16
	If you wanted to use up some of that space for another building.	00:46:19
	You'd probably end up going with like underground storage tanks or you know.	00:46:22
	Other options that are.	00:46:27
	Very expensive. They're they're not going to be inexpensive, that's for sure.	00:46:29
	So it might be.	00:46:34
	Pretty difficult with the current configuration of everything that you have going on and and the residence is right there.	00:46:36
	It might be tricky to get the Emmy.	00:46:43
	Connected, uh.	00:46:45
	But.	00:46:46
	They would still be.	00:46:47
	They would be close.	00:46:48
	It would they would be.	00:46:49
	Conveniently located for what they need to be.	00:46:51
	A lot better than what it is now.	00:46:53
	Absolutely.	00:46:55
	Was there any consideration of the space on that top floor of the courthouse that's basically on?	00:46:59
	Unused.	00:47:06
	Yes.	00:47:07
	We've looked at that.	00:47:08
	And we think it might make a lot of sense.	00:47:10
	To.	00:47:13
	Take part of that space.	00:47:15
	So I believe there's room for two additional courtrooms up there and we're looking at.	00:47:17
	Taking.	00:47:23
	Space for one of those courtrooms.	00:47:24
	And.	00:47:26
	Put Corp counsel in there.	00:47:27
	So you'd have Corp council and you'd have.	00:47:29
	DA and you'd have child.	00:47:32
	Child support, child support all on the same.	00:47:34
	Floor.	00:47:37
	And then they could.	00:47:40
	They could share.	00:47:41
	One of the problems with with.	00:47:43
	That space is.	00:47:45
	There's no back of house.	00:47:47
	Break rooms, restrooms, anything like that.	00:47:49
	So you know if.	00:47:52
	If the.	00:47:55
	The District Attorney.	00:47:56
	You know, someone has to use the restroom, they have to go out in the public hallway.	00:47:57
	And.	00:48:01
	As far as I know, it's never been a problem.	00:48:04
	But it has been problems in other places, so it's something we try and avoid.	00:48:06
	But if we could.	00:48:11
	Connect, you know, put the Corp council up there.	00:48:12
	There's a large.	00:48:15
	Break slash sort of a pseudo break area slash storage room.	00:48:17
	That's kind of in between child support and.	00:48:22
	DA that could be modified to be a core.	00:48:26
	Break room.	00:48:29
	And restrooms for both of them, which would just be right across the hall.	00:48:30
	Than from court.	00:48:35
	So.	00:48:38
	It it is a little more efficient.	00:48:39
	Corp Council unfortunately works with.	00:48:42
	A lot of departments.	00:48:45
	So no matter where you put them, they're going to be away from somebody.	00:48:46
	Who wants to work with them?	00:48:49
	But it it.	00:48:51
	It does make some sense to put them there.	00:48:52
	I guess just to.	00:49:01
	You know, tantamount what Jody was saying.	00:49:02
	You know my comment was.	00:49:06
	To try to give something.	00:49:07
	About moving along the OR at least to provide some information to the.	00:49:09
	To the county board so they have an understanding of where we're at.	00:49:13
	And that we're not dragging our feet here, but there's just a lot of moving parts and we.	00:49:17
	Keep them somewhat up to speak as I've heard.	00:49:22
	Different comments too about, you know, why it's just taking so long, blah blah blah, you know?	00:49:25
	So just, well, convincing Louise people to get her dad Henry Dodge building, There's a lot of them that are against that.	00:49:30
	I don't think that's going to be a problem. You don't think so?	00:49:36
	I think I'll most of the supervisors are.	00:49:40
	Know that that building is at the end of its life and we need to do something.	00:49:43
	To get rid of that, hope so.	00:49:48
	$12 million to to upgrade the HVAC while that kind of.	00:49:51
	The boiler is the elevator and prices from five years ago.	00:49:59
	Up 30%. Rate 40.	00:50:03
	About five years ago puts you.	00:50:06
	Early in COVID.	00:50:09
	Everything escalated during COVID.	00:50:11
	And.	00:50:13
	I can't really say much has come down.	00:50:16
	No, you know.	00:50:19
	All the suppliers are enjoying having those prices where they are.	00:50:20
	Yeah.	00:50:24
	But yeah.	00:50:30
	Be happy to present to the board. I would. I would, really.	00:50:31
	Appreciate that if you would just, you know, give them a rundown like you gave us tonight.	00:50:34
	And then just say you know.	00:50:39
	After this presentation, we are going to take it back.	00:50:41
	And we're going to start putting numbers together to.	00:50:45
	To some of these ideas and we'll be back in whatever amount of time.	00:50:47
	To update you further on it.	00:50:52
	But if we could just give them an update now.	00:50:54
	And I know, John, they could watch this meeting, but a lot of supervisors don't do that, so.	00:50:56
	You know, it'd be better to hear it.	00:51:02
	In person from them guys so they can pound me with questions.	00:51:04
	That that's part of my job right now is I'm the punching bag.	00:51:10
	Now, so are we.	00:51:13
	All right. Any other questions? No, I appreciate it. Thank you for coming in. Yeah.	00:51:22
	Thanks, Brad. Sure.	00:51:27
	All right. I think we'll move on then next to the Clearview.	00:51:39
	Project.	00:51:43
	Update.	00:51:43
	It's kind of getting down there on on crunch time. They there is some.	00:51:47
	Different materials and things that they're waiting for that are not going to come into the last minute. There's some kitchen	00:51:53
	items, there's some door frames.	00:51:57
	There's some other things, but.	00:52:01
	The thought is that we are going to make.	00:52:06
	The occupancy deadline that was set.	00:52:08
	It's going to be tight, but we think that we are going to make that.	00:52:12
	And that date is what?	00:52:16
	I don't have my calendar with January 26 or I think it's a week before that.	00:52:20
	OK. But most of these things have to be finished before that because the health inspector has already been scheduled so.	00:52:25
	These things need to be completed at that time so they can look above the ceilings and make sure that.	00:52:33
	You know all the piping is correct at all the holes to the drywall have been sealed, all such things like that that have to do	00:52:39
	with occupancy.	00:52:43
	But.	00:52:49
	Yes, it is doable. There's a lot to do between now and then, but.	00:52:50
	It is doable.	00:52:55
	Along with that.	00:52:59
	Which would also go with our next meeting date and time.	00:53:01
	The the thought was to have a joint meeting with the.	00:53:04
	Human Services and Health Board, which is the first.	00:53:08
	Wednesday.	00:53:11
	In January.	00:53:12
	January 7th.	00:53:15
	I believe, yeah.	00:53:16
	Don't want to have a meeting?	00:53:18
	At Clearview.	00:53:19
	I don't know, I don't have my calendar with me.	00:53:20
	Yeah, I thought it was January 7th. Yes, 7th if it was the Wednesday because our two we discussed last night and we were doing it	00:53:23
	for.	00:53:27
	At four o'clock 47th.	00:53:32
	At Clearview and then we do like a walkthrough.	00:53:35
	Yes, Ed would like to take the building committee also on a walk through.	00:53:37
	And show what?	00:53:42
	Has been done and show you the new facility before it is occupied.	00:53:44
	Because I think that's so our meeting would be just January 7th and Saturday 8th at Wednesday.	00:53:49
	At 4:00.	00:53:54
	At 4:00.	00:53:55
	And that's when our meeting normally is so.	00:53:58
	And now would be over a Clearview then.	00:54:01
	I don't have a problem with that.	00:54:04
	And Ed said he'd have snacks.	00:54:06
	This construction.	00:54:11
	Phase do the.	00:54:12
	Wall for the CBRF divide.	00:54:15
	The was that included in this whole thing or not?	00:54:17
	No.	00:54:21
	No, this is this is strictly his behavioral health units.	00:54:22
	The only one back with having the joint meeting is.	00:54:30
	Since we have two members on the health committee also.	00:54:35
	If we needed to have our own meeting for some reason, if we needed to have that, it'd be kind of difficult. I don't think that	00:54:39
	would be a problem. I believe there was going to be no.	00:54:43
	Yeah, We were not going to have a business meeting of that. Oh, you weren't?	00:54:48
	OK. It was just for the the committee.	00:54:52
	To do the walkthrough.	00:54:54
	Well, that's what I was kind of thinking too, that we would not have our regular business meeting unless there was something	00:54:56
	really urgent. Yeah. Is the Health and Human Services meeting. We won't have one next month. It'll be February. Is our next Health	00:55:00
	and Human Services meeting. So.	00:55:05
	They would just be there for the walkthrough and that would all workout. And so if we needed our meeting, we would just.	00:55:09
	During Becky and.	00:55:15
	Becky and Jennifer all of a sudden decide that there's some urgent They have to.	00:55:16
	But yeah, next month there is no Health and Human Services meeting. It'll be.	00:55:20
	February so.	00:55:24
	Sure. So we could either do the walkthrough with them, have our meeting after, or vice versa, whatever.	00:55:26
	Right, have our building committee meeting after to walk through you're saying or whatever.	00:55:33
	Or if there's nothing really urgent, I mean, we could.	00:55:38
	We could eliminate the building committee meeting too and just do our walking. We just do the walkthrough what the Human Services	00:55:41
	and then have our building committee meeting and.	00:55:45
	February, just in case that they came back with some more concrete stuff, right?	00:55:48
	January 1st but.	00:55:55
	You know, otherwise if there's nothing urgent and we'll just postpone our building committee one till February.	00:55:57
	And we'll do the walkthrough with Human Services on the 7th.	00:56:03
	At 44.	00:56:06
	Yeah, that's all good to everybody. Sure.	00:56:07
	No, OK.	00:56:11
	So yeah, that I said things are moving along, but it's going to be tight. But it's it's a totally doable.	00:56:13
	Thing I said there was just some longer lead times on some things that.	00:56:20
	Came up at the end here.	00:56:25
	All right.	00:56:32
	Any other questions on that?	00:56:34
	OK, then let's order the 2526 budget update.	00:56:37
	Things are looking.	00:56:43
	Pretty good on that. And there we've got some accounts where he ran over somewhat, but we've also got some that we are quite a bit	00:56:45
	under on.	00:56:48
	Mostly electricity.	00:56:52
	I think we're going to be over on natural gas a little bit and some of our repair accounts are over, some are under. But overall.	00:56:55
	We're tracking pretty well on our total budget.	00:57:01
	So we're in good shape there.	00:57:04
	Good. Umm.	00:57:06
	If there might be one or two accounts where he might ask to carry something over into 2026, but.	00:57:09
	We will look at that in January.	00:57:17
	And.	00:57:20
	All right, then we'll move on in a facility, director reports.	00:57:24
	For repairs and improvements, we're still waiting on the invoice from Hwy. to see how much that Henry Dodge parking lot repairs	00:57:30
	we're going to cost us.	00:57:34
	I thought we were going to have something last week already but we still haven't seen the invoice from Hwy. so we're still waiting	00:57:39
	for that to find out.	00:57:42
	What that costed us, but.	00:57:45
	What Randy was asking about before the Johnson Controls air conditioner on the jail roof.	00:57:50
	They just are not responding to our emails. We asked to talk to someone in the warranty department several times. They have not	00:57:57
	answered any of those emails.	00:58:02
	I did meet with Kim.	00:58:07
	On Monday.	00:58:09
	And.	00:58:10
	If we can't get a resolution soon, then we're going to look at our legal options.	00:58:13
	On that.	00:58:17
	The current invoice for the.	00:58:20
	Disputed repairs that they did this fall is $68184.	00:58:21
	And their estimate to finish the necessary repairs is another $74140.	00:58:29
	So you're looking at over a $14,000 repair for something that we believe should be covered under warranty?	00:58:35
	So we will keep.	00:58:44
	Pursuing that.	00:58:45
	On our end, it's just kind of a slow process on that.	00:58:47
	And luckily it's winter, so we can.	00:58:50
	Yes, kind of take our time on it or.	00:58:52
	Yeah, OK.	00:58:56
	But we're on it. It's just not happening very fast.	00:58:57
	The Clerk of Courts carpet project, they did remove the first set of cubicles today.	00:59:03
	The carpet people are starting on Monday.	00:59:09
	I did get another.	00:59:14
	Bid on the cubicle removal last month. We talked about that. The first one was $18,864 to remove the cubicles and set them back	00:59:16
	up.	00:59:21
	There was a second vendor that was on the state of Wisconsin.	00:59:26
	Contract and we had them come in and give us a price.	00:59:30
	And they bid $12,180, so our savings was $66184.	00:59:34
	By checking with another vendor that was on the state approved.	00:59:41
	Contract.	00:59:45
	So we went with them.	00:59:47
	Good job. They sent two guys out and, and they weren't here very long and they had all six cubicles disconnected and.	00:59:49
	Taken down, stored away and.	00:59:57
	Whatever.	01:00:00
	We did find that once we started moving some furniture and some file cabinets and stuff away from some of the walls.	01:00:01
	We can see how faded the walls are after 25 years so.	01:00:09
	The entire clerk of courts area is going to get repainted. The guys already did the West wall today and they started on the South	01:00:13
	wall.	01:00:17
	And they'll just keep working their way around, but the whole work area will get a fresh coat of paint also just based on the the	01:00:21
	fading of the walls from that many years.	01:00:26
	Ready, Phil?	01:00:34
	So last month we talked a little bit about the compressor, air compressor repair for the security system at the jail.	01:00:35
	And I just wanted to show you a few pictures of what we're talking about.	01:00:42
	So the.	01:00:45
	The air compressor that you see there, the the big one that says Quincy Northwest, there's one there and then there's one off to	01:00:47
	the right.	01:00:51
	That you can't see. So they're they're duplex systems.	01:00:55
	They alternate one runs.	01:00:59
	And then the next one runs. Then that one runs again.	01:01:01
	You can see the brand new compressor.	01:01:04
	That we purchased for that we purchased the compressor for both of those units. So both of those got a brand new.	01:01:07
	Compressor on there.	01:01:14
	And that is what drives all the locks in the jail as well as the sliding cell doors. It's all air driven.	01:01:15
	If you go on.	01:01:25
	Phil that's.	01:01:26
	Close up view of the top of that.	01:01:28
	That's what our piston looked like after it burnt the oil in it and kind of went into a a meltdown. You can see the piston and	01:01:32
	part of the rod there.	01:01:37
	Or the pin.	01:01:42
	Boy, this pin, you know.	01:01:44
	And then you'll see the.	01:01:49
	Rod coming up here.	01:01:51
	So after 25 years of running pretty much round the clock it it gave up the ghost.	01:01:55
	So we do have.	01:02:05
	2 new compressors and we should be good for the next 25 years.	01:02:06
	Phil's going to show you a few pictures of.	01:02:14
	Some repairs we did in medical a couple months ago.	01:02:18
	Um.	01:02:22
	The the laminate that you see is.	01:02:25
	All the cabinetry in the jail and the courts was all.	01:02:32
	Like particle board?	01:02:36
	With just this laminate over the top of it.	01:02:38
	And.	01:02:41
	Through the years, you can see where we put an aluminum strip on this corner. Here the corners get shipped and the laminate starts	01:02:42
	to peel and all that.	01:02:46
	This was more leftover wood that we had from the Sheriff's Office from when it was still a courthouse.	01:02:50
	The guys just took that and.	01:02:56
	Fit it all for the corners there to.	01:02:59
	Dress it up and and hide where all the laminate was chipped and where it was starting to appeal and lift up.	01:03:02
	The other thing?	01:03:08
	You need to go back that one, Phil.	01:03:09
	Another thing I want to show you is we know that's that's fine, Phil.	01:03:12
	This is just another corner where the aluminum we put on the corner.	01:03:15
	This flooring was replaced about five years ago and we've had problems ever since it was put in.	01:03:20
	We've had problems with the adhesive.	01:03:26
	And the floor tiles themselves seem to.	01:03:28
	Stretch and expand.	01:03:31
	Two Higgs are flooring vendor from Fond du Lac. They were back.	01:03:33
	And repaired this several times over the years.	01:03:36
	And it just was not.	01:03:40
	Standing up.	01:03:43
	To the use like the original flooring had.	01:03:44
	So the guys decided to go to Menards.	01:03:48
	And.	01:03:53
	Yep, I'm good. Bill, go to the next.	01:03:55
	Yep, they got some different flooring and the guy has decided that.	01:03:57
	If we put in vinyl plank, this is the waiting area.	01:04:03
	Outside of the medical office.	01:04:06
	You can see they took the flooring out, they put in all.	01:04:09
	Vinyl plank there.	01:04:12
	And that is the main corridor in the medical office.	01:04:15
	They put that in, you can see they put a transition strip in for a carpeted area there.	01:04:19
	There's a transition strip into the medical drug room, the locked Med room. They put a strip in there also.	01:04:28
	And.	01:04:37
	Got rid of the.	01:04:39
	And that's into a restroom in there where you have the poured quartz flooring that they put a transition strip from the new vinyl	01:04:41
	plank into that.	01:04:45
	Much appreciated by the medical staff there that.	01:04:52
	It really did help because you get those edges coming up a little bit, kind of a trip hazard also in there, so.	01:04:55
	We got rid of the bad flooring. We did this all ourselves. I think it was like 11 or 1200 or something for the flooring and the	01:05:01
	guys did all that.	01:05:05
	Nice.	01:05:10
	Very good.	01:05:11
	Yeah, it is.	01:05:12
	Looks good.	01:05:14
	So that's the show and tell pictures for this month.	01:05:15
	You guys do good work, you know that? Yeah, they do.	01:05:18
	Could be carpenters and floor layers.	01:05:21
	If they wanted a second job.	01:05:24
	And painters.	01:05:28
	The kitchen floor we did purchase all the.	01:05:32
	Pair material a few months back.	01:05:36
	We do have the.	01:05:38
	The flooring people scheduled to do the repairs in there starting January 5th, the first Monday in January.	01:05:41
	So the kitchen will be down for three days. They'll be doing cold meals, Styrofoam Packers and that sort of thing.	01:05:48
	So they're estimating that the.	01:05:55
	The flooring is going to take three days to do.	01:05:57
	I do have 10,000 budgeted in the jail improvement fund for 26 which is going to pay for.	01:06:01
	I think the labor is going to be like 5 or 6000.	01:06:08
	On that.	01:06:11
	To take all that.	01:06:12
	That is bad. And then relay.	01:06:14
	At the same time, our dishwasher is now nine years old, I believe, and the belt is really wearing on it.	01:06:18
	So we had Hobart come in and take a look at that.	01:06:27
	So that first Tuesday and Wednesday in January, they're going to be looking at putting a new belt in and replacing some bearings	01:06:30
	in the dishwasher, as long as we're not going to be doing dishes anyway.	01:06:35
	So we're going to get all that done at the same time. And I also had 10,000 in the jail improvement fund budget for 26 for	01:06:40
	dishwasher repairs.	01:06:44
	I'm not sure that's going to cover the entire cost of the belt, but.	01:06:50
	We did put 10 in the budget for that.	01:06:53
	Purpose.	01:06:56
	So that's what we got to get that done while it's down anyway, yeah.	01:06:59
	So we're going to do both projects at the same time and.	01:07:03
	Get that all spruced up for the kitchen there.	01:07:07
	On the operations side.	01:07:13
	We still have an open 2nd shift custodian position in the jail.	01:07:16
	It has been extremely hard to get applicants for that.	01:07:21
	We're still exploring our options of what we're going to do there, but it's been tough getting applicants for that position.	01:07:26
	The chamber, they have put a Christmas tree out on the Plaza out there. They will be lighting it Friday evening.	01:07:34
	I hope you guys saw that or not. It's about 25 foot tall.	01:07:41
	Really, they brought in with a telehandler.	01:07:44
	The other day.	01:07:48
	The Chamber did that.	01:07:48
	Mm-hmm. Only call yesterday, the city had their bucket truck there, they put all the lights on it. And tomorrow night they will	01:07:50
	have a tree lighting ceremony. I think it's like at 6:00 or something like that, so.	01:07:56
	Wow, Chambers trying to do things downtown, spruce things up and.	01:08:02
	Make it more inviting and look good and.	01:08:06
	Nice.	01:08:09
	So we'll see how that goes.	01:08:10
	We've been working with it. We did pull a whole bunch of new data lines in the detective area where their data lines were failing	01:08:13
	in the Sheriff's Office.	01:08:18
	So I think we pulled 12 new lines in there last week.	01:08:25
	From the upstairs all the way down through some conduits, all the way down into the basement to the.	01:08:29
	Server room and.	01:08:34
	And it came in and terminated all the ends and.	01:08:36
	Got that up and going. They were having a lot of problems.	01:08:39
	Slow computers, issues with phone calls, the data lines were just bad in that building. So.	01:08:42
	So we got that area.	01:08:49
	Spruced up.	01:08:50
	Our trail restroom cleaning.	01:08:53
	That's taken on a little bit of a challenge here. Now we're adapting to the cold weather.	01:08:56
	Mm-hmm. We've never had a deal with this before, because before they had porta potties, you know, so we, we have had some issues	01:09:01
	cleaning them.	01:09:05
	You know, concrete floors get a little icy. Now you gotta.	01:09:12
	Clean them different different chemicals.	01:09:15
	So we're working on that. We're working with our housekeeping janitorial supplier on different types of chemicals and we're also	01:09:18
	working with parks on.	01:09:23
	Possibly getting some anti slip matting or something for inside those for during the winter but been a little bit of a challenge,	01:09:28
	but is it something that we're learning to adapt to on how to?	01:09:32
	Clean these and keep them clean for the winter.	01:09:38
	Windshield washer fluid instead of water.	01:09:40
	There's another option. Yeah, that's a good idea.	01:09:43
	Those were freeze. That's another option, yes.	01:09:48
	So we did have.	01:09:53
	A little bit of a mess that got frozen down tight the other day. So Parks, actually one of the guys from Parks came in with their.	01:09:56
	Ice fishing shanty heater and we.	01:10:04
	Heated the whole thing up inside there so we could, we could liquefy everything and get it cleaned up. But so yeah, we're learning	01:10:06
	how to adapt to the challenges of keeping those clean during the winter.	01:10:12
	We're also, we went to a seminar a while back on salting and things like that and what is the most efficient and the cost	01:10:22
	effective?	01:10:26
	We're actually looking at building ourselves a brine unit for the back one of our pickup trucks.	01:10:31
	Which would be a lot cheaper than using.	01:10:36
	Salt from the highway.	01:10:39
	We have a tote, we're ready. It's just a matter of.	01:10:42
	PVC piping and some spray nozzles and a small pump and.	01:10:46
	And a hand wand then or you're going to have a sprayer bar how you spray your bar.	01:10:51
	At our last facility managers conference that we went to.	01:10:58
	There was a lady there that presented a thing on that, then she showed.	01:11:03
	Several different municipalities, right, whether they were city or county or whatever.	01:11:08
	Where they have made their own.	01:11:12
	And.	01:11:14
	Saved a lot of money on on salting and it was a little more effective. You can pretreat, you know, before you have snow and.	01:11:16
	Things like that. So we're looking at.	01:11:23
	Doing that also.	01:11:24
	And where would you put that on?	01:11:26
	We have our two. We have two pickup trucks with bows on it. One has a Salter, 1 does not.	01:11:28
	So we have a.	01:11:34
	Empty pickup truck bed that we could put it on.	01:11:35
	So how are the parking lots not the sidewalk? I was gonna say, how would you do the sidewalks? We want just for the parking lots	01:11:37
	and the.	01:11:41
	OK.	01:11:45
	So that Brian only operates above 19°, right?	01:11:47
	Depends on what you make it out of there. There was some temperature limits, I don't remember exactly what they were filled you.	01:11:51
	You're almost gonna have to have both.	01:11:58
	I thought depending on what you use it was like -4 or something like that.	01:11:59
	That there was a couple different mixtures you can make depending on what you want to make it out of. I saw Brian said it was 19°	01:12:04
	or about.	01:12:08
	Well, yeah, if you make it out of rocks, if you're just out of salt.	01:12:11
	But there's other. So yeah, we have, we are looking at.	01:12:15
	Our various options on that and given that a world as long as we have a tote, you know we can.	01:12:19
	We can do that for a couple 100 bucks to.	01:12:24
	Throw that together, the guys can build that and.	01:12:26
	So.	01:12:29
	Other than that, just a lot of regular maintenance going on and.	01:12:32
	That's all I got.	01:12:36
	Super.	01:12:38
	That second shift jail custodian position A.	01:12:38
	Can't fill.	01:12:42
	Is there like a set wage that you start some?	01:12:44
	It's currently what it's.	01:12:49
	18.	01:12:52
	65 I want to say 18 something.	01:12:54
	Having a hard time filling it because of the wage.	01:13:00
	Or people want more money than that. Or.	01:13:02
	We're not even getting.	01:13:06
	Not even getting applicants for it or.	01:13:11
	We've gotten some, but it.	01:13:14
	It's slim Pickens.	01:13:16
	Was there like a shift premium at 2nd shift or not? Yes, there is a $0.50 an hour shift premium on top of that.	01:13:20
	If somebody came in with with a substantial amount of experience, Cameron does have the ability.	01:13:27
	To start them out at a wage. Step 2 or Step 3.	01:13:34
	If I would request that.	01:13:38
	And most of our custodians that we've hired in the last few years have started out at Step 2.	01:13:42
	OK. Any other questions?	01:13:54
	All right, any future agenda items?	01:13:57
	The master study stays on there yet and.	01:14:05
	And.	01:14:08
	I don't know if we need to have Clearview on there anymore because the next meeting is going to be in February and.	01:14:09
	That projects pretty.	01:14:15
	Pretty well getting phase one will be finished.	01:14:16
	Oh yeah.	01:14:19
	Phase 2 will start.	01:14:21
	I believe they want to start phase two on the 20th of January.	01:14:23
	So maybe we should just keep that as soon as those people are moved from the B wing to the A wing.	01:14:27
	They will start in the B wing. OK.	01:14:32
	OK.	01:14:37
	Keep it up. Yeah, keep it on there then, right?	01:14:38
	Any other thing you guys want on there for future agenda items? Otherwise we'll just leave it up to John and.	01:14:42
	John does a thorough job.	01:14:49
	Yes, he does. Very organized, Dale.	01:14:50
	Appreciate that, John.	01:14:55
	And your work. I appreciate that, Barb.	01:14:57
	All right then. John's just a mouthpiece, yes.	01:15:04
	Our next meeting is going to be January 7th over at Clearview to do a walkthrough with the Human Services at 4:00.	01:15:09
	And I declared this meeting adjourned at 5:17.	01:15:16
	Thank you.	01:15:19

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	I don't see anybody from the public for comment.	00:00:00
	Approval of the minutes from the November 6, 2025. You all had a copy of them.	00:00:04
	A chance to look at a move to approve.	00:00:10
	OK, motion by Supervisor Kane.	00:00:12
	I'll second that. Seconded by supervisor Ringle.	00:00:15
	Any additions or corrections to them?	00:00:18
	I just have one thing under absent put excused absence on their Barb that that way you know because.	00:00:22
	I'll tell you it's it's real picky because sometimes people look back and see how many meetings you are at and if you were excused	00:00:29
	or not. And that's why I just like to have excused absences on there. You want me to change it on this one or moving forward?	00:00:36
	You could change it on this one.	00:00:43
	We had two people missing.	00:00:45
	So and they were both excused myself and Randy. So if you want to change it on this one, OK.	00:00:47
	And then correct my name on spelling on there too.	00:00:53
	As long as it changes.	00:00:58
	Sorry but that's it. That's all I got so.	00:01:01
	Everybody else got anything for changes or corrections? If not all in favor say aye.	00:01:06
	Aye, opposed. All right.	00:01:10
	Thank you.	00:01:12
	All right. Next we got engineering for the legal services roof replacement.	00:01:14
	Yeah. So that is in the the CIP plan for next year and I wanted to get started on the engineering on it already so that we were	00:01:20
	ready to go right after the first of the year.	00:01:25
	So we were originally just going to look at replacing the flat portion of that roof.	00:01:30
	But we have had some issues with the tiles in the past on the sloped.	00:01:37
	Portion over there.	00:01:41
	And so we really wanted to look at.	00:01:43
	What would it take to replace the entire roof?	00:01:45
	And so I did get a bid on the engineering to do the entire roof and.	00:01:47
	It came back higher than what our.	00:01:54
	Limits are for procurement.	00:01:57
	That we can just award. So I am going to have to draw bid specs.	00:01:59
	And we're going to have to put that out for bid for engineering services.	00:02:04
	OK, so anything over 25,000 requires a request for.	00:02:08
	Bids.	00:02:12
	And.	00:02:13
	This came in that a little higher than that.	00:02:14
	So we will put that out for bids and.	00:02:17
	We'll see what we get.	00:02:21
	Are you guys looking at just replacing what you got or you're looking at putting a pitch on it or?	00:02:23
	Just just replacing the flat roof on the Sheriff's Office and then we'll probably go with a.	00:02:28
	Alternate to replace the entire.	00:02:33
	Portion, but just based on their preliminary estimates, it's way more than what we put in the CIP for that building.	00:02:36
	So we'll probably just get the flat roof, but we will get.	00:02:43
	What we'll end up getting is a price on for an alternate so we will know what.	00:02:46
	Replacing the rest of it will be which we can put in.	00:02:51
	The budget for next year or add into the CIP for next year, whichever way we want to do it.	00:02:54
	But we will do all the engineering at one time.	00:03:00
	On there.	00:03:02
	OK.	00:03:03
	And the other one isn't leaking, it's just a flat one that's giving you.	00:03:04
	The problems.	00:03:07
	Correct.	00:03:08
	OK, we have replaced some of those green tiles before. They are not made in that size anymore when we did replace them.	00:03:09
	We had to get a different.	00:03:16
	Diameter tile it doesn't quite match, but.	00:03:18
	They are, you know, over 40 years old and probably the best thing to do is just get rid of those and and put.	00:03:22
	Green sheet steel roofing on that pitch portion. Steel color steel roof.	00:03:29
	Yep, Yep. So we will be working on that and getting that out for bids so we can get some comparisons and.	00:03:34
	Follow our procurement policies that we have.	00:03:41
	Sounds good.	00:03:45
	Anybody got any questions?	00:03:47
	So the tile really isn't any. I mean it is immediate need, it's just you're able to write.	00:03:50
	It's it's very old. And if we're going to do the whole thing, you know, why don't we look at getting rid of it before more of	00:03:55
	those do crack and.	00:03:59
	You know.	00:04:02
	You have a problem.	00:04:03
	What is it that of the stone on top of the fabric or is it just a fabric up there? The Sheriff's Office does have stone on it. It	00:04:05
	got stone over and then new one that you put on. I'll have the stone over it too, or.	00:04:10
	Or you just going to go out of fabric?	00:04:15
	We're going to see what?	00:04:17
	The engineering firm really recommends OK.	00:04:18
	And we'll go from there.	00:04:21
	Typically they're recommending fully adhered now rather than ballasted and most.	00:04:23
	Most reduced but.	00:04:27
	There's option.	00:04:29
	Times when the.	00:04:30
	Ballast is distilled.	00:04:31
	Good way to go.	00:04:33
	Was that a ceramic type tile or is that asbestos tile or?	00:04:35
	It's like a clay type.	00:04:39
	Tile. Get clay, Yeah.	00:04:41
	Yep.	00:04:45
	OK.	00:04:49
	Then let's move on to sex engineering for the courthouse rooftop.	00:04:52
	Chiller replacement.	00:04:56
	Yes, we'll be meeting with the engineer tomorrow morning. We will be signing the contract for that.	00:04:58
	I've already sent that through to Trista and Cameron has approved it also.	00:05:04
	And I said we'll be meeting tomorrow morning for them to draw.	00:05:09
	Specs on that chiller so we can get that out to bid right after the first of the year?	00:05:12
	We will not get it till fall, but we will.	00:05:19
	Do it all.	00:05:22
	At one time we did not have.	00:05:23
	Money in this year's budget to do the engineering this year and put the bids out in fall so we would get it in spring, so.	00:05:25
	We'll do everything in in 2026. We'll do the engineering, we'll get the chiller.	00:05:33
	Selected and.	00:05:38
	It'll be installed in the fall.	00:05:40
	Is that the last original one We got left and then they're all replaced?	00:05:43
	Jail too, OK.	00:05:47
	And how many? There's two of them up there.	00:05:51
	There's two for the courthouse and there's two for the jail.	00:05:53
	So that smaller one on the courthouse roof is the last one to be replaced.	00:05:56
	Gotcha.	00:06:00
	All right. Any other questions on that?	00:06:03
	I don't know if I missed it or not, but the.	00:06:06
	That.	00:06:08
	The unit on top of the.	00:06:10
	Jill, you guys talked about it last. We didn't yet. No. OK.	00:06:12
	We figured I'll wait till he gives his report on his we will get to that building repairs in there so.	00:06:16
	Yeah, I figured we'd wait till we got done for. All right then let's move on in a master plan update.	00:06:21
	Brett.	00:06:27
	You guys having fun?	00:06:34
	Oh, we're having a great.	00:06:36
	Lots of moving pieces right now, I'll bet you.	00:06:39
	A lot of questions on my end that there people are asking me and I said.	00:06:43
	I don't have an answer for yet.	00:06:47
	Yeah, I'm assuming that once I go through my 3 pages of notes, I have so I can keep my thoughts in order.	00:06:50
	You guys would have.	00:06:56
	Plenty of questions. OK, so for everyone who doesn't remember last time I was here, my name is Brad Kwasny with Venture	00:06:58
	Architects.	00:07:01
	So where we're at right now is we have toured.	00:07:06
	All of the buildings.	00:07:10
	A couple of times.	00:07:12
	We've talked to.	00:07:14
	Department heads key personnel.	00:07:16
	And we have made some.	00:07:18
	We've had we've got some conclusions on our end.	00:07:21
	That are driving the direction we're going with the master plan.	00:07:24
	And we've got.	00:07:28
	Some of the key things that we have concluded at this point are.	00:07:31
	The Henry Dodge building.	00:07:35
	Is.	00:07:38
	Structurally sound.	00:07:39
	That thing is a bunker.	00:07:40
	But everything inside of it is in horrible shape.	00:07:43
	It's all your mechanicals are beyond their useful life expectancy.	00:07:48
	And.	00:07:53
	Replacing them.	00:07:54
	Be very expensive.	00:07:57
	And you probably would never get return on investment for.	00:07:58
	For making that replacement so.	00:08:03
	That building, really.	00:08:06
	Probably.	00:08:07
	The most economical thing for you to do would be to vacate the building.	00:08:08
	And end up demolishing it and having that piece of property available for something else in the future.	00:08:12
	In the admin building where we are right now.	00:08:19
	Is generally.	00:08:22
	Oversized for what you have here for your departments.	00:08:24
	You've got.	00:08:27
	Additional space.	00:08:28
	Departments have obviously moved.	00:08:31
	From where things were Once Upon a time.	00:08:33
	So.	00:08:36
	That each individual department is.	00:08:36
	Not necessarily the right size they're.	00:08:40
	They're disjointed.	00:08:42
	They have a good sized office, but their storage is on three different floors. Mm-hmm.	00:08:43
	So just.	00:08:48
	There's there's movement that can be done.	00:08:50
	This building can easily be saved.	00:08:52
	The department.	00:08:57
	The county department that has the.	00:08:58
	Biggest needs?	00:09:00
	For better space.	00:09:02
	More efficient space.	00:09:04
	Without a doubt as a medical examiner.	00:09:06
	Currently it's on.	00:09:09
	Both sides of a hallway.	00:09:10
	Here.	00:09:12
	On the.	00:09:15
	4th floor I believe.	00:09:16
	Which?	00:09:18
	Not really optimal, but OK.	00:09:19
	And they're in the Henry Dodge building.	00:09:22
	Off of a main corridor.	00:09:25
	And.	00:09:28
	At best I could describe.	00:09:28
	Their space over there as.	00:09:31
	Abysmal.	00:09:33
	And is totally how they make that work.	00:09:34
	Just give your medical examiner pat on the back every time you see.	00:09:38
	Because that space.	00:09:42
	Terrible. Yeah.	00:09:43
	Have heard that before.	00:09:46
	You know when when he's got a lot past.	00:09:48
	You know.	00:09:50
	Bags of salt and pallets and forklifts to get to his space, which is.	00:09:51
	Partitioned off with movable wall partitions.	00:09:55
	And that's also double s as a storage space.	00:09:59
	It's it's.	00:10:03
	Really not a good space. He he needs a space.	00:10:05
	The next thing that.	00:10:09
	Is in our head. Is the.	00:10:11
	The men's group home.	00:10:14
	Not a DA compliant.	00:10:15
	It's lots of damage on it from.	00:10:17
	Wheelchairs.	00:10:20
	You know, not through.	00:10:21
	Misuse or anything willful.	00:10:22
	Just wheelchairs, damaging doors and frames and.	00:10:24
	It's, it's just, it's.	00:10:29
	It doesn't meet any ADA.	00:10:31
	Requirements.	00:10:33
	Right now.	00:10:35
	That should be.	00:10:36
	Replaced because I don't know that you can.	00:10:37
	Do much with that building.	00:10:40
	There's, there's, there's always a tipping point when you're talking about renovating.	00:10:43
	Versus building new?	00:10:47
	Where at some point in time the renovations will cost more than a new building will.	00:10:48
	This is one of those buildings that's probably at that point.	00:10:53
	Are you taking questions as we move along or OK?	00:10:57
	That one they just redid a bunch of the inside on it.	00:11:00
	They didn't make it 80.	00:11:03
	Apply Jody. This is the one on the Northside by.	00:11:05
	By Henry Dodge.	00:11:09
	This is not the one I got hit by the tornado. Oh, it's the one up on the hills is the men's one. The men's all OK? I'm sorry. The	00:11:10
	other one is the women's. OK.	00:11:14
	I didn't know there was some hands and a woman's. Yes. Yeah, it's basically, it's basically a trailer.	00:11:18
	All right. Is that, is that a demolition kind of deal to them?	00:11:24
	I don't think there's any way.	00:11:30
	It wouldn't have any use if you kept it.	00:11:32
	The the property it sits on would be more useful than than keeping that bill seeing with the Henry Dodge. You don't think anybody	00:11:35
	would be able to buy that and use it for anything?	00:11:40
	The cost to update all the mechanicals in it.	00:11:45
	Would be.	00:11:49
	So excessive.	00:11:51
	Not even putting like a wall unit.	00:11:52
	Air can turn it into apartments or anything.	00:11:55
	With wall units or anything like that.	00:11:59
	The.	00:12:00
	Problem with that is.	00:12:01
	It's a great idea because you'd save the cost of demolition.	00:12:03
	And someone could buy an existing building.	00:12:07
	But.	00:12:10
	You'd have to find somebody who would want to do that.	00:12:11
	And would have the follow through to do that.	00:12:14
	We've worked with so many.	00:12:16
	Communities, counties that have had buildings that they've had the same basic idea.	00:12:19
	And someone will come in and for dirt cheap they'll buy the building.	00:12:25
	And then?	00:12:29
	Nothing ever have set.	00:12:30
	It's just the one across the road here. Is there any way you could do an assessment on land value compared to maybe?	00:12:32
	If you.	00:12:38
	Is there any way you can put feelers out for some building like that for a Realty value? Or if anybody would be interested, it	00:12:41
	would be something where as we get deeper into what I'm talking about today.	00:12:46
	We're looking at putting other things out on that property.	00:12:52
	So.	00:12:55
	You would have to.	00:12:57
	Parcel that.	00:12:58
	Break that piece off.	00:12:59
	And I don't know that that would be in your best interest.	00:13:01
	Because then you'd have like.	00:13:05
	A sliver of property surrounded by stuff you probably want to keep.	00:13:07
	For your own purposes.	00:13:11
	Because.	00:13:13
	You know.	00:13:14
	We're looking at your immediate needs, but we're also trying to look decades ahead.	00:13:15
	Yeah, and.	00:13:19
	At some point in time.	00:13:21
	This building is going to age out.	00:13:23
	You know, it's been around a long time.	00:13:25
	You know the original was.	00:13:27
	3737.	00:13:29
	You know it's going to age out at some point in time, so.	00:13:31
	Somewhere.	00:13:33
	Decades down the road.	00:13:35
	You're going to have to replace this building.	00:13:37
	And to replace this building.	00:13:39
	You're going to need a place to put people.	00:13:41
	And if you have a.	00:13:44
	Blank piece of property.	00:13:45
	Already in your possession?	00:13:48
	You're you're in great shape.	00:13:50
	Because the land you have out there would be great.	00:13:52
	To just do.	00:13:55
	What you need for this building?	00:13:56
	So I mean, we could, we could look at the value of it.	00:13:59
	I don't know that is in your best interest though.	00:14:03
	Long term.	00:14:06
	Short term.	00:14:07
	Sure.	00:14:09
	Say none of the none of the additions they put on either that.	00:14:10
	Gym or anything that wouldn't be anything salvageable would probably tear that down too.	00:14:14
	Use it for storage, maybe temporarily until you, because you could always tear it down later.	00:14:22
	I need you don't have to tear it down right away.	00:14:27
	I mean.	00:14:29
	With with the steps that you would have to take for.	00:14:30
	Everything that we're going to be talking about today.	00:14:33
	It'll it'll all have to be phased. There's no way you just say.	00:14:37
	Here's an enormous sum of money that we just have lying around.	00:14:40
	Now do everything.	00:14:46
	It's going to have to be.	00:14:47
	Do this piece.	00:14:49
	Then do this piece.	00:14:51
	Because it has to be.	00:14:53
	We have to pay attention to, you know, mill rates and taxes and you know, how the the financial impact.	00:14:56
	On the people of Dodge County so.	00:15:01
	The demolition of that.	00:15:04
	Would be the lowest priority.	00:15:06
	So if something were to fall into your lap where somebody would want that before you would ever tear it down.	00:15:10
	You know then absolutely you can. You can do something with because it it would not be your high priority to tear it down.	00:15:16
	It's it's a much higher priority.	00:15:22
	To get out of there, yeah.	00:15:24
	Because.	00:15:25
	You guys are probably there.	00:15:27
	Yeah, non-stop.	00:15:29
	Trying to just keep it running. Yeah, I've seen it, yeah. Nickel and dimer, yeah.	00:15:30
	And it's it's not getting better.	00:15:36
	All right, Well, in the process of this would be a place for cold storage just to jam everything that's kind of in your way, just	00:15:38
	as a storage, you know, and a.	00:15:42
	I Until you tear it down and decide what you're gonna do with.	00:15:47
	The extra doors, desks, all the stuff you're moving out of here you have a lot of.	00:15:51
	Rooms.	00:15:57
	Scattered around your campus that.	00:15:58
	They can be described as.	00:16:03
	We might have some use for this someday.	00:16:08
	Or as we have jokingly referred to them.	00:16:11
	During our walkthroughs, they're the pre dumpster rooms. You know you don't want to throw them away yet, yeah?	00:16:14
	But eventually you're going to.	00:16:20
	Because the vast majority of it is never going to get used.	00:16:22
	You know you've got a lot of those.	00:16:25
	You know, and and and hanging on to a building.	00:16:30
	For the purpose of storing that stuff probably isn't helping you any.	00:16:33
	But in the short term before you, yes, it could absolutely be sort of stuff inner. If you're done with a building, you just leave	00:16:36
	it in there and you just blessed it all down together.	00:16:41
	You would have to maintain some level of heat to prevent, you know, pipes from bursting and things like that. So it doesn't.	00:16:47
	You know it's not entirely off here To Do List.	00:16:54
	But maintaining heat up there is an issue. It's a big issue if you don't use a building, can you just?	00:16:58
	Drain everything so you don't have to eat it.	00:17:03
	You can run into mold issues.	00:17:07
	And that's why we keep the air handlers running summer and winter in.	00:17:09
	J Pod across the street.	00:17:12
	OK. Because originally when they vacated it, we did turn them off for a while. We did end up with a whole lot of mold on the lower	00:17:14
	level.	00:17:17
	All right, sorry to interrupt. No problem. It's, it's probably.	00:17:26
	With as.	00:17:30
	Complex as this is going to get, it's probably easier to jump in.	00:17:31
	You know, just as things pop up OK.	00:17:35
	Another thing that just sort of.	00:17:39
	It really is a request that just sort of came up out of nowhere.	00:17:41
	There was a request made to look into the idea of.	00:17:45
	Adding a daycare.	00:17:48
	Somewhere.	00:17:49
	So we've got a spot where we could do that.	00:17:51
	There's a lot that goes into.	00:17:54
	The design of a daycare.	00:17:56
	You know what age group of kids? How many kids?	00:17:57
	There's a lot involved in that.	00:18:00
	So.	00:18:02
	There's space.	00:18:03
	There is space to do it. We can really look into that when it gets more to it.	00:18:04
	A design phase.	00:18:08
	Just know it can be done if if that.	00:18:10
	If you choose to go that direction.	00:18:13
	So, and the the reason that came up is that is included in the county's 20 year comprehensive plan is the lack of daycare.	00:18:15
	For the entire county, not just.	00:18:23
	For here, for employees, but for the entire county. So that's why it was asked to be looked at.	00:18:25
	In this master plan also, if that's something that is.	00:18:31
	Feasible to?	00:18:34
	Assist not only employees but other.	00:18:36
	County residents.	00:18:38
	Other items the Sheriff's Department.	00:18:42
	And the jail.	00:18:46
	Would become.	00:18:48
	Much more efficient.	00:18:51
	If they were.	00:18:52
	Adjacent connected to one another.	00:18:53
	It's not.	00:18:56
	It's not horrid.	00:18:57
	Being a block away.	00:18:58
	But it's not optimal either.	00:18:59
	That would not be a very easy.	00:19:02
	Fix to make that happen because.	00:19:05
	You'd really have to move the sheriff over.	00:19:07
	To the jail site and and it is rather limited with where you can add so.	00:19:09
	We think we found a way that it could be done.	00:19:15
	So that is.	00:19:18
	I would say probably a lower priority than any of the first ones that I've listed.	00:19:20
	Additionally.	00:19:26
	The evidence storage building.	00:19:29
	You know.	00:19:31
	Still.	00:19:32
	Your damaged building.	00:19:33
	It's probably not in the.	00:19:35
	Most optimal location.	00:19:37
	So if we moved it out of.	00:19:40
	Basically the highway department.	00:19:42
	Yard umm.	00:19:44
	We can move it out.	00:19:45
	Near the.	00:19:47
	Henry Dodge.	00:19:49
	Put on the Henry Dodge property.	00:19:50
	We could also.	00:19:52
	Locate a storage building.	00:19:53
	For the sheriff's vehicles.	00:19:55
	Out in the same location.	00:19:56
	And that way everything.	00:19:59
	For the sheriff, that's.	00:20:00
	Remote is in the same spot.	00:20:01
	And then lastly.	00:20:08
	The old jail buildings.	00:20:12
	They're kind of just used for training right now.	00:20:15
	I'm not sure.	00:20:20
	We can investigate. Can you do renovations in there?	00:20:23
	And make them.	00:20:28
	Viable for something?	00:20:29
	Or is that another location that might be more cost effective for you to?	00:20:30
	Tear those down and then have the land available.	00:20:35
	For something else, one of the things we were looking at is.	00:20:38
	Can we put the medical examiner over there?	00:20:41
	And, and there's a whole lot that goes into the medical examiner.	00:20:45
	You know, like would you ever be interested in?	00:20:49
	Hiring a pathologist to do your own autopsies or you're just going to continue to ship them out to other facilities?	00:20:51
	That's that's a tough.	00:20:59
	Ask because there's not a lot of pathologists in this country.	00:21:01
	They're not turning them out real fast. They're hard to get.	00:21:04
	But just getting a facility for your medical examiner, that would be a pretty good location.	00:21:08
	To do that.	00:21:12
	So.	00:21:15
	With all of those.	00:21:16
	Rough conclusions in mind.	00:21:19
	We've come up with.	00:21:22
	Two basic options, and obviously one is we wanted the driver is.	00:21:25
	We want to vacate Henry Dodge.	00:21:29
	And to do that.	00:21:31
	We've looked at.	00:21:34
	On the site with Henry Dodge.	00:21:36
	We could build.	00:21:39
	A new.	00:21:40
	Building.	00:21:42
	To replace what's in Henry Dodge.	00:21:43
	Build a new building. Move people out of Henry Dodge into the new building.	00:21:45
	Relatively simple.	00:21:49
	Downside to that is.	00:21:52
	It's going to take a while for that construction, for that project to happen and that whole time that Henry Dodge building is.	00:21:55
	Going to continue to deteriorate.	00:22:02
	Umm, so.	00:22:07
	What we?	00:22:09
	Also are looking at.	00:22:10
	Would be.	00:22:14
	Umm.	00:22:15
	We could. We could look at.	00:22:19
	Purchasing.	00:22:21
	A site.	00:22:23
	That has a vacant building on it.	00:22:24
	That is large enough.	00:22:26
	To accommodate.	00:22:27
	Your staff needs.	00:22:29
	And one of the options we were looking at.	00:22:32
	That, we thought, would make a lot of sense.	00:22:34
	Would be to purchase a building.	00:22:36
	That has the square footage you need.	00:22:39
	Renovate the building.	00:22:41
	And move all of your functions out of this building.	00:22:43
	Into the new building.	00:22:46
	Once everyone's out of here, you can renovate this building. Move the functions from Henry dot. Renovate this building for the	00:22:50
	Henry Dodge.	00:22:53
	To come here.	00:22:57
	The only thing from Henry Dodge that wouldn't move.	00:22:59
	Would be.	00:23:03
	Umm, the CBRF.	00:23:07
	You could move to Clearview because Clearview has vacant space that could be filled.	00:23:09
	The only problem with that second option is that would probably take longer to do than your first option with the new building,	00:23:16
	right or not.	00:23:19
	Not necessarily, no.	00:23:23
	I think the intent was to try to keep everything.	00:23:27
	In a central location here.	00:23:30
	For people, when they come, you don't have to, you know, send them.	00:23:33
	Like you're looking for a.	00:23:37
	Big vacant building that you could renovate and make use of for this building, you know.	00:23:38
	Who knows where that?	00:23:44
	Big bacon building would be unless you had something in mind already and.	00:23:45
	But then it would be off outside of June or it could be in Beaver Dam or you know.	00:23:50
	I think we would be looking at keeping it.	00:23:55
	In June.	00:23:58
	OK, it would be.	00:23:58
	Stay close.	00:24:00
	Absolutely OK, because we've done work with many other counties that.	00:24:01
	Are kind of far-flung.	00:24:07
	Actually I just did a.	00:24:09
	Master planning for Winnebago County.	00:24:11
	And one of their big problems is.	00:24:13
	They've got this building here and then.	00:24:16
	They work closely with departments in this building that's two blocks away.	00:24:18
	And then there's another building that's four blocks away. Then sudden there's someone on the North End of town. And when people	00:24:22
	come in to have to do business, sometimes they're going to four different building, right?	00:24:26
	So we would definitely try and avoid that.	00:24:32
	OK.	00:24:34
	I mean.	00:24:35
	It there would be an option to just build 1?	00:24:36
	Brand new complex.	00:24:39
	To house everything.	00:24:41
	You know everything from here and.	00:24:43
	From.	00:24:45
	Henry.	00:24:46
	That would be.	00:24:48
	That would be one that you couldn't do in pieces.	00:24:51
	You know, options look like renovating a building.	00:24:55
	And then?	00:24:58
	Renovating another building.	00:24:59
	You can do those in different pieces.	00:25:00
	And would have less impact on your.	00:25:03
	On your mill rate.	00:25:06
	So we're trying to.	00:25:07
	Keep that.	00:25:09
	In mind because.	00:25:10
	As soon as it becomes unaffordable.	00:25:11
	We don't solve anything.	00:25:14
	Right.	00:25:15
	So.	00:25:17
	You know if if you would.	00:25:18
	Were to build a new building for the Human Services and building it out there where the Henry Dodge building is.	00:25:19
	Would you guys allow enough space there so that we could?	00:25:26
	You know, because we are looking 20 years out at our buildings.	00:25:29
	That if we did get rid of another building, there's another building we could add on to that.	00:25:33
	You know, on to that and then as we get rid of another building, we could add on it, add down the road, you know, where there's	00:25:38
	enough space so you could have everything in a central.	00:25:43
	Yes, there there is a lot of property out there because you own that field to the north where the water tower is, so.	00:25:48
	That's just currently a field, so you have all of that space available and everything that's around Henry Dodge.	00:25:56
	And once you.	00:26:02
	Once you can empty.	00:26:04
	That building?	00:26:07
	You can carry that building down and you have that property available to you as well.	00:26:08
	So.	00:26:12
	It's it's moving.	00:26:12
	Parts.	00:26:14
	But it does.	00:26:15
	Keep.	00:26:17
	You could have everything on that.	00:26:18
	On that property.	00:26:20
	How are you going to decide how big to build that first building? Do you have all the square, our offices and square footage	00:26:22
	figured out? We have all the current square footages of all the departments.	00:26:28
	And we've talked to all the department heads.	00:26:34
	We've looked at, you know, how much do they project growth.	00:26:37
	Or or do they project stability? Most of them are thinking they're pretty stable.	00:26:41
	Human Services.	00:26:46
	Always grows.	00:26:47
	Everywhere under the sun, it's it's state mandates and things like that. Human Services. Gross.	00:26:49
	But.	00:26:55
	Most of the rest of the departments are pretty stable.	00:26:56
	And like I said.	00:26:59
	In this building, the offices are generally.	00:27:01
	Oversized.	00:27:05
	So we could look at.	00:27:07
	Shrinking what you have.	00:27:09
	So yes, we do have the numbers.	00:27:11
	And when we're.	00:27:13
	Putting things together right now.	00:27:15
	But it would be.	00:27:18
	You know, just using square foot blocks.	00:27:19
	Not, uh.	00:27:22
	We're not designing a building for you right now.	00:27:23
	That's.	00:27:25
	Another phase.	00:27:26
	But we, yeah, we, we, we have the numbers we need to be able to do it. But if once you get to that design phase.	00:27:28
	Then it would be.	00:27:35
	Talking with everyone.	00:27:36
	Again. And really.	00:27:38
	Narrowing down.	00:27:39
	How things want to layout?	00:27:40
	But the space is there.	00:27:43
	Is there usually like a?	00:27:45
	How many floor?	00:27:48
	Best general practice idea there is for.	00:27:51
	Hard. You know what I mean? Because you can always. You could always keep adding buildings four stories high. Or do you?	00:27:54
	Want to go higher or?	00:28:00
	Or stay at a certain level with that or.	00:28:02
	The fewer the better.	00:28:06
	But it's not uncommon to do.	00:28:08
	You know.	00:28:11
	Yep, 3 probably Max.	00:28:12
	Maxes out.	00:28:14
	For what you'd want to do.	00:28:16
	There's certain departments that just want to be on the ground floor.	00:28:18
	You know your Veteran Services ADRC.	00:28:22
	You know, the ones where you you might have people coming in.	00:28:24
	That, uh.	00:28:27
	You know, it might have mobility issues. You want to keep them on the ground floor.	00:28:28
	Others can move up and up and up.	00:28:32
	But but 3 is probably.	00:28:35
	Where you'd want to Max out.	00:28:38
	Yeah, construction wise, having to create everything on the roof and everything to be and and, you know.	00:28:40
	That's not even very hard.	00:28:46
	That's not a big deal.	00:28:48
	It's more usability.	00:28:51
	For the people coming in.	00:28:53
	You know, some people just.	00:28:54
	I mean, currently you've got.	00:28:56
	Plenty of floors here and people are going up and down and they're used to it, so could you?	00:28:58
	Go fork because people are used to that. Absolutely you could.	00:29:02
	It might make more sense for you to go 3.	00:29:07
	And just.	00:29:10
	Be more organized and how it's laid out.	00:29:11
	But you'd have a lot of space.	00:29:14
	Out by the Henry Dodge property to do that.	00:29:16
	So that would also be a design issue.	00:29:19
	For how we want to do it.	00:29:22
	Would probably try and do it too.	00:29:24
	Umm, but it all. You know, certain departments work with other departments regularly.	00:29:27
	So you want to cluster them together?	00:29:34
	And.	00:29:36
	Eventually you can go down the line because.	00:29:37
	There's this chunk of departments don't work with these, so you can.	00:29:39
	Keep moving out or you can go up. It's just.	00:29:43
	It's a.	00:29:49
	It's truly a design option. It's it.	00:29:50
	Becomes the choice of, you know, whatever committee we're working with.	00:29:52
	And and.	00:29:56
	The economics of the site.	00:29:58
	Um, let's see, what else do we have?	00:30:15
	If.	00:30:19
	For example, you wanted to.	00:30:20
	Build a new building out by.	00:30:24
	Henry Dodge for.	00:30:26
	The departments that are out there.	00:30:27
	And you wanted to keep everyone that's here, here and not purchase another property or anything like that?	00:30:29
	You could renovate this space while it's still operational.	00:30:38
	Here's the drawback.	00:30:42
	Every space that you want to renovate.	00:30:44
	You have to have a space.	00:30:46
	For those people to work.	00:30:48
	While their space is being renovated.	00:30:50
	There is.	00:30:53
	An open space down in the basement.	00:30:54
	That we could build out as an office.	00:30:58
	And people could then.	00:31:00
	You could take a department.	00:31:02
	Relocate it down there, renovate their space.	00:31:04
	And.	00:31:08
	Move.	00:31:09
	Whatever department is going to go into that space.	00:31:11
	Into that space.	00:31:14
	Renovate the next space.	00:31:15
	You know, move and just keep moving, people.	00:31:18
	Into this.	00:31:20
	Temporary space.	00:31:21
	And then to a renovated space and just keep doing that.	00:31:23
	Downside with that.	00:31:26
	You'll probably have years of renovation.	00:31:28
	Which would be.	00:31:30
	Years of noise.	00:31:32
	And dust.	00:31:34
	And.	00:31:35
	It some disruption.	00:31:37
	Yeah.	00:31:40
	There's there will be confusion because people will come in and they're going to say.	00:31:41
	Well, I've always gone to this department on the second floor.	00:31:45
	But now they're in the basement.	00:31:50
	And and no one goes to the basement other than people who work here.	00:31:52
	So it can be done.	00:31:58
	There is a way to do it?	00:31:59
	But.	00:32:00
	It may be.	00:32:01
	Confusing to some and.	00:32:04
	The people who work in this building will get tired of the noise and the dirt.	00:32:07
	I think.	00:32:17
	We generally covered.	00:32:20
	The main points of everything.	00:32:22
	Umm.	00:32:26
	So.	00:32:28
	Just to kind of wrap things up, we we had.	00:32:30
	Obviously hoped at this point in time that we would be much farther along in the process and we would be presenting to the full	00:32:33
	board with a final report.	00:32:37
	But as you can tell, we've got a lot of moving parts that we're.	00:32:41
	Still investigating.	00:32:44
	And.	00:32:49
	There's actually a few smaller points that are still.	00:32:50
	Kind of behind the scenes.	00:32:53
	Um, but.	00:32:57
	Our next step?	00:32:58
	Really would be to.	00:32:59
	Bring Samuels group in.	00:33:01
	And they'll start putting costs.	00:33:04
	To these options.	00:33:05
	And with these costs, then we can.	00:33:08
	We can issue the final report.	00:33:11
	To the full board.	00:33:13
	And.	00:33:15
	At that point in time, we could work with your, your finance director, your bonding agency and we can start.	00:33:16
	Talking about those mill rates and how it would impact each different option would impact taxes and how to phase it.	00:33:22
	To have the least amount of impact.	00:33:29
	You know that would be.	00:33:31
	The next steps moving forward.	00:33:33
	So I guess.	00:33:38
	I, I mean, I just blasted you with a bunch of ideas, yeah.	00:33:40
	So that's good. So your head is probably spinning, but if there is anything you heard that you said.	00:33:44
	We absolutely don't like that idea.	00:33:49
	And you can take an idea off of our plate right now. Yeah, we will not be disappointed.	00:33:52
	If you, if you want us to just keep pursuing all the options, we will keep pursuing all the options and we'll give you prices on	00:33:57
	all the options.	00:34:01
	Or if there's one that you all say, you know what?	00:34:05
	We really like.	00:34:08
	That idea.	00:34:10
	We can pursue that.	00:34:11
	So if there's.	00:34:15
	If there's anything that you feel strongly about, just just let me know and.	00:34:16
	And we can.	00:34:20
	Either drop it or.	00:34:20
	Just point ourselves.	00:34:22
	That direction.	00:34:23
	Or, like I said, we could just keep looking at them all.	00:34:25
	Yeah, and you know.	00:34:27
	Really, we're not that far behind the 8 ball. John and I were talking about that.	00:34:29
	And the timeline really isn't that far off.	00:34:33
	When you look at how we.	00:34:35
	We had a slow start to this whole thing.	00:34:38
	And we're not really that far off.	00:34:40
	But my my suggestion, I don't know how the rest of the committee feels, but my suggestion would be.	00:34:43
	Before we hire Samuelson on to well, they're already part of the different part of our group.	00:34:49
	OK.	00:34:54
	But we have to pay them to put prices on everything. They're already part of our, they're built in our part of that contract to	00:34:55
	get the prices on.	00:34:59
	OK, because I would like to.	00:35:03
	Have you give that presentation you just gave to us?	00:35:05
	To the whole board, so that at least.	00:35:08
	Because they keep asking questions.	00:35:11
	About all this stuff, you know.	00:35:13
	I'd rather have you give them.	00:35:15
	The presentation you gave us tonight and then say, OK, our next step is to have.	00:35:17
	The other part of our.	00:35:23
	Group.	00:35:24
	Start putting numbers on it, you know, at least that would put them at rest and and it would show them how far you guys are.	00:35:25
	Sure, with the plan.	00:35:32
	Because. Because right now they.	00:35:34
	They're not seeing what's going on. No, it just looks like we're dragging all being done. By now, we should be.	00:35:35
	You know, in, in, in their defense.	00:35:42
	A lot of the things that have delayed this were requests from Dodge County.	00:35:45
	Yeah, You know, they came back with some preliminary ideas. They met with myself and Phil and and Cameron and.	00:35:49
	We looked at some of their preliminary designs and that really got us thinking.	00:35:57
	About some other things that we had not talked about before.	00:36:01
	And so a couple weeks ago, Phil and I did go down and we met with the Brad and Corey down at their facility in Milwaukee.	00:36:05
	And we said, what if we wanted to look at this and what if we wanted to look at that? So a lot of the delay here.	00:36:12
	In this final.	00:36:19
	Process is.	00:36:21
	On Dodge County that we came up with additional ideas that we wanted to look at.	00:36:23
	And we wanted to make sure that.	00:36:27
	We did cover all our bases that we didn't overlook any potential options.	00:36:29
	So I don't think that delaying this a month or two.	00:36:35
	It is a is a.	00:36:41
	Big deal.	00:36:42
	Just to make sure that we.	00:36:44
	Have the best possible.	00:36:46
	Product that they're going to deliver to us.	00:36:48
	As far as what you're saying and delaying it a month or two, I mean that it's stretching out a month or two longer than what we	00:36:52
	thought. It wasn't Jody, that's what I'm saying.	00:36:56
	I think that's a small price to pay for making sure that we get the best options possible and that we have looked at.	00:37:01
	Everything out there that we've.	00:37:08
	Exhausted all the ideas that are out there and and that they've.	00:37:10
	Done all the research on them.	00:37:14
	That that's what I'm saying. And basically once you move forward and you move into a design phase.	00:37:16
	That's going to take some time.	00:37:22
	And you can really start to.	00:37:24
	Shoot for a schedule.	00:37:26
	For when you want to stick a shovel in the ground.	00:37:28
	At that point.	00:37:31
	So, uh.	00:37:32
	You know, again, we're talking about a lot of moving parts and several buildings and a lot going on.	00:37:33
	So.	00:37:38
	There would be quite a bit of process on the design side.	00:37:40
	The only one I have a question about or that makes me.	00:37:44
	Think about saying hold on with that one is is that.	00:37:48
	J Pod One.	00:37:52
	Turning that into.	00:37:54
	A umm.	00:37:55
	What was that? The examiner?	00:37:59
	Aren't we going to need more parking?	00:38:03
	Then that was, we're talking about taking that building down and.	00:38:05
	And I know there's a lot of asbestos removal that's gotta happen in there and there's a lot of bad pipes in there, right?	00:38:08
	There is asbestos in the building, but there's a lot of bad pipes and stuff too. And they're right, like steam pipes and stuff	00:38:14
	that were going bad.	00:38:18
	And it's isn't it like?	00:38:21
	Rebar.	00:38:24
	All through all the.	00:38:25
	And it's going to be really hard to remodel that building.	00:38:27
	It would. It would be.	00:38:30
	It would be far more complex than.	00:38:33
	You know, renovating.	00:38:35
	You know, a standard office building.	00:38:36
	So.	00:38:39
	And with the age of the original.	00:38:41
	Piece of that.	00:38:43
	You know you probably are better off.	00:38:44
	Just.	00:38:47
	Tearing that down.	00:38:48
	And having that property for your use, yeah.	00:38:49
	But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't investigate what it would take but the demo.	00:38:54
	The internal demo on that would be.	00:38:59
	Pretty, pretty extensive.	00:39:01
	Do you know how long it'll take to put numbers on?	00:39:05
	On some of these.	00:39:09
	We work with Samuels.	00:39:11
	Quite a bit and and.	00:39:14
	They are.	00:39:15
	Much faster than you would think.	00:39:16
	OK, Yeah.	00:39:18
	Typically.	00:39:20
	We'll meet with them and we'll talk through it and.	00:39:21
	And then we'll be in constant contact for.	00:39:24
	A few weeks and they'll have numbers for us.	00:39:27
	So John, you're kind of saying, you know, even if we delayed it a month?	00:39:30
	Then if we delayed it a month.	00:39:35
	Then you're saying.	00:39:37
	Then they could come back with the numbers and.	00:39:38
	I, I just those are just one.	00:39:41
	I, I know people are looking for results on this, but you know, we're, we're past the budget.	00:39:44
	You know, obviously we're not going to do anything in 2026 because we don't have money budgeted so.	00:39:49
	That's right.	00:39:54
	Is it really a big deal if we say, Brad, we really want results in January or if we want them in February? Does it? Does it	00:39:55
	really?	00:39:58
	Matter at this point in time.	00:40:02
	And I said my main thought is.	00:40:05
	Getting the best possible options that that's what I'm after.	00:40:07
	So I, I don't know, it's, it's up to you guys. You guys are the committee, you're the ones that.	00:40:12
	It is a 20 year old look on our building.	00:40:17
	Or or or farther out.	00:40:20
	And I I agree we should be very thorough with this.	00:40:22
	Seeing that we're doing this, you know?	00:40:26
	And.	00:40:29
	I don't have a problem with that.	00:40:30
	I mean.	00:40:32
	Would just tell us why we wanted to have Brad come in and address you guys and say, OK, this is what we've done, this is where	00:40:34
	we're at and this is what we still need to to look at yet. So that's why we wanted to up.	00:40:39
	Date you guys as the building committee and.	00:40:44
	See what you guys want to do.	00:40:48
	Yeah. I just thought, you know, if he could just give a preliminary without the numbers on where we're at.	00:40:49
	Just to keep the board, sure.	00:40:54
	Happy what? Where we're at?	00:40:56
	And then say, OK, but now we have to start.	00:40:58
	Looking at.	00:41:02
	The prices of things and we'll be coming back to you future with the prices.	00:41:03
	You know that would that way at least the board would have an idea on.	00:41:08
	What we're looking at.	00:41:13
	They could also watch the video of this meeting.	00:41:15
	And they could do that too.	00:41:17
	Mean the only thing really hurrying this along is not wanting to spend more money on Henry Dodge.	00:41:21
	Yeah, right.	00:41:26
	Yep, Yep, that's the whole thing. I'm on the same level with that Henry Dodge building. And the longer it takes to see the	00:41:27
	elevator, the boiler, and you got to stick a major amount of money in there just to keep it operational for a little while and	00:41:32
	then just shortly after you're getting rid of it.	00:41:36
	I cringe every time I see you guys have to stick a dime in that building.	00:41:41
	You know, yeah.	00:41:45
	Well, because I'm more money ahead on.	00:41:46
	Building, I mean, you don't want to spend good money over bad and on yeah and and the promise the the building structurally isn't.	00:41:48
	It's it's a solid building. Yeah. It's just.	00:41:55
	Everything inside of it is everything else it's at or beyond its useful life.	00:41:58
	And it's.	00:42:03
	Being held together with twine and duct tape and bubble gum.	00:42:04
	Whatever else John can get his hands on, right?	00:42:08
	Have we got up John's budget for more?	00:42:11
	Tape and bubble gum.	00:42:14
	But I I don't think we're real far away from.	00:42:17
	Yeah, it doesn't sound like us.	00:42:20
	No, no, we're not. We're not far at all.	00:42:22
	Have we done a?	00:42:25
	A parking study though, with all these options, I mean, are we gonna have parking issues?	00:42:27
	Depending on what we do and so forth.	00:42:32
	We have not.	00:42:35
	Done.	00:42:36
	A study on the parking, but what we're looking at right now.	00:42:37
	Really wouldn't change.	00:42:42
	Any of the parking.	00:42:44
	Here.	00:42:46
	On these couple of blocks.	00:42:47
	The only place where anything might change would be.	00:42:50
	Out by Henry Dodge. Well, I know they talked about adding on to the sheriff's building right now and putting offices on there.	00:42:53
	That was part of a possible thing where we're looking at is not touching parking. It would be.	00:42:59
	In well.	00:43:05
	If we would.	00:43:08
	Want to do anything to the sheriff? It would make the most sense to add the sheriff on to the jail.	00:43:09
	And not.	00:43:14
	You know you don't want to spend millions of dollars.	00:43:16
	To do something to expand the sheriff here.	00:43:19
	If.	00:43:22
	In the long run.	00:43:23
	It's better and more efficient to have the sheriff attached to the jail, but originally they had talked about moving.	00:43:25
	Putting a new sheriff's building and then moving admin into the sheriff's building.	00:43:31
	And then adding offices on to that.	00:43:35
	That was one of the original ideas that was floating around and then they were talking about, well then we might need more parking	00:43:38
	than if we do that there.	00:43:42
	So that's.	00:43:46
	Kind of where I was getting that because they were if they tore jpod down.	00:43:47
	That was part of their idea.	00:43:51
	I don't think we're really trending that way at this point in time.	00:43:55
	I don't think so. I think, I think.	00:44:00
	Those ideas sound like they were.	00:44:03
	Very specific to a very.	00:44:06
	Unique individual need.	00:44:09
	And what we're looking at.	00:44:11
	Addresses your whole campus.	00:44:13
	And I think we wouldn't really be.	00:44:16
	We wouldn't be impacting.	00:44:18
	The parking here.	00:44:19
	OK. It we wouldn't be improving it probably.	00:44:20
	But we wouldn't be making it worse either.	00:44:25
	You're not adding people.	00:44:27
	Two of these buildings where we would need more.	00:44:29
	Parking so.	00:44:32
	That's kind of what you're saying, correct?	00:44:33
	Now the the sheriff.	00:44:35
	To jail and a coroner. Is that a possibility to get that all in one building or not? Not really.	00:44:37
	Because you'd want to corner with the sheriff in a jail together, correct? We would like them to be as close as possible. It makes	00:44:44
	the most sense to do that.	00:44:48
	Which is why, you know, if if we could give the Emmy.	00:44:55
	A spot right over here, yeah.	00:44:59
	At most.	00:45:01
	You know, at this point in time, you'd essentially be connected to the sheriff.	00:45:03
	And at most, if the sheriff then moves over to the jail there one block away.	00:45:07
	So that's which is better than.	00:45:12
	The big circle at the corners Doing now, yeah.	00:45:14
	You know.	00:45:17
	So.	00:45:20
	Could we?	00:45:21
	Find a spot.	00:45:23
	If the sheriff someday would move to the jail.	00:45:25
	Could we find a spot?	00:45:29
	For the Emmy over there.	00:45:31
	That would be hard.	00:45:33
	Because there's a large.	00:45:35
	Storm.	00:45:37
	Area that.	00:45:39
	Takes up that run a lot of room and I don't know.	00:45:41
	You. I've talked to our civil engineers.	00:45:46
	In house on this and.	00:45:50
	You can't really.	00:45:53
	Dig deeper and expand that.	00:45:54
	To make it a smaller footprint.	00:45:57
	Because.	00:45:59
	The.	00:46:01
	The limiting factor.	00:46:02
	Is the outlet.	00:46:03
	Connects.	00:46:05
	To the to the sewer underneath the road somewhere elevations are.	00:46:06
	And you have to has to flow downhill at some point, so.	00:46:11
	The way you would do that.	00:46:16
	If you wanted to use up some of that space for another building.	00:46:19
	You'd probably end up going with like underground storage tanks or you know.	00:46:22
	Other options that are.	00:46:27
	Very expensive. They're they're not going to be inexpensive, that's for sure.	00:46:29
	So it might be.	00:46:34
	Pretty difficult with the current configuration of everything that you have going on and and the residence is right there.	00:46:36
	It might be tricky to get the Emmy.	00:46:43
	Connected, uh.	00:46:45
	But.	00:46:46
	They would still be.	00:46:47
	They would be close.	00:46:48
	It would they would be.	00:46:49
	Conveniently located for what they need to be.	00:46:51
	A lot better than what it is now.	00:46:53
	Absolutely.	00:46:55
	Was there any consideration of the space on that top floor of the courthouse that's basically on?	00:46:59
	Unused.	00:47:06
	Yes.	00:47:07
	We've looked at that.	00:47:08
	And we think it might make a lot of sense.	00:47:10
	To.	00:47:13
	Take part of that space.	00:47:15
	So I believe there's room for two additional courtrooms up there and we're looking at.	00:47:17
	Taking.	00:47:23
	Space for one of those courtrooms.	00:47:24
	And.	00:47:26
	Put Corp counsel in there.	00:47:27
	So you'd have Corp council and you'd have.	00:47:29
	DA and you'd have child.	00:47:32
	Child support, child support all on the same.	00:47:34
	Floor.	00:47:37
	And then they could.	00:47:40
	They could share.	00:47:41
	One of the problems with with.	00:47:43
	That space is.	00:47:45
	There's no back of house.	00:47:47
	Break rooms, restrooms, anything like that.	00:47:49
	So you know if.	00:47:52
	If the.	00:47:55
	The District Attorney.	00:47:56
	You know, someone has to use the restroom, they have to go out in the public hallway.	00:47:57
	And.	00:48:01
	As far as I know, it's never been a problem.	00:48:04
	But it has been problems in other places, so it's something we try and avoid.	00:48:06
	But if we could.	00:48:11
	Connect, you know, put the Corp council up there.	00:48:12
	There's a large.	00:48:15
	Break slash sort of a pseudo break area slash storage room.	00:48:17
	That's kind of in between child support and.	00:48:22
	DA that could be modified to be a core.	00:48:26
	Break room.	00:48:29
	And restrooms for both of them, which would just be right across the hall.	00:48:30
	Than from court.	00:48:35
	So.	00:48:38
	It it is a little more efficient.	00:48:39
	Corp Council unfortunately works with.	00:48:42
	A lot of departments.	00:48:45
	So no matter where you put them, they're going to be away from somebody.	00:48:46
	Who wants to work with them?	00:48:49
	But it it.	00:48:51
	It does make some sense to put them there.	00:48:52
	I guess just to.	00:49:01
	You know, tantamount what Jody was saying.	00:49:02
	You know my comment was.	00:49:06
	To try to give something.	00:49:07
	About moving along the OR at least to provide some information to the.	00:49:09
	To the county board so they have an understanding of where we're at.	00:49:13
	And that we're not dragging our feet here, but there's just a lot of moving parts and we.	00:49:17
	Keep them somewhat up to speak as I've heard.	00:49:22
	Different comments too about, you know, why it's just taking so long, blah blah blah, you know?	00:49:25
	So just, well, convincing Louise people to get her dad Henry Dodge building, There's a lot of them that are against that.	00:49:30
	I don't think that's going to be a problem. You don't think so?	00:49:36
	I think I'll most of the supervisors are.	00:49:40
	Know that that building is at the end of its life and we need to do something.	00:49:43
	To get rid of that, hope so.	00:49:48
	$12 million to to upgrade the HVAC while that kind of.	00:49:51
	The boiler is the elevator and prices from five years ago.	00:49:59
	Up 30%. Rate 40.	00:50:03
	About five years ago puts you.	00:50:06
	Early in COVID.	00:50:09
	Everything escalated during COVID.	00:50:11
	And.	00:50:13
	I can't really say much has come down.	00:50:16
	No, you know.	00:50:19
	All the suppliers are enjoying having those prices where they are.	00:50:20
	Yeah.	00:50:24
	But yeah.	00:50:30
	Be happy to present to the board. I would. I would, really.	00:50:31
	Appreciate that if you would just, you know, give them a rundown like you gave us tonight.	00:50:34
	And then just say you know.	00:50:39
	After this presentation, we are going to take it back.	00:50:41
	And we're going to start putting numbers together to.	00:50:45
	To some of these ideas and we'll be back in whatever amount of time.	00:50:47
	To update you further on it.	00:50:52
	But if we could just give them an update now.	00:50:54
	And I know, John, they could watch this meeting, but a lot of supervisors don't do that, so.	00:50:56
	You know, it'd be better to hear it.	00:51:02
	In person from them guys so they can pound me with questions.	00:51:04
	That that's part of my job right now is I'm the punching bag.	00:51:10
	Now, so are we.	00:51:13
	All right. Any other questions? No, I appreciate it. Thank you for coming in. Yeah.	00:51:22
	Thanks, Brad. Sure.	00:51:27
	All right. I think we'll move on then next to the Clearview.	00:51:39
	Project.	00:51:43
	Update.	00:51:43
	It's kind of getting down there on on crunch time. They there is some.	00:51:47
	Different materials and things that they're waiting for that are not going to come into the last minute. There's some kitchen	00:51:53
	items, there's some door frames.	00:51:57
	There's some other things, but.	00:52:01
	The thought is that we are going to make.	00:52:06
	The occupancy deadline that was set.	00:52:08
	It's going to be tight, but we think that we are going to make that.	00:52:12
	And that date is what?	00:52:16
	I don't have my calendar with January 26 or I think it's a week before that.	00:52:20
	OK. But most of these things have to be finished before that because the health inspector has already been scheduled so.	00:52:25
	These things need to be completed at that time so they can look above the ceilings and make sure that.	00:52:33
	You know all the piping is correct at all the holes to the drywall have been sealed, all such things like that that have to do	00:52:39
	with occupancy.	00:52:43
	But.	00:52:49
	Yes, it is doable. There's a lot to do between now and then, but.	00:52:50
	It is doable.	00:52:55
	Along with that.	00:52:59
	Which would also go with our next meeting date and time.	00:53:01
	The the thought was to have a joint meeting with the.	00:53:04
	Human Services and Health Board, which is the first.	00:53:08
	Wednesday.	00:53:11
	In January.	00:53:12
	January 7th.	00:53:15
	I believe, yeah.	00:53:16
	Don't want to have a meeting?	00:53:18
	At Clearview.	00:53:19
	I don't know, I don't have my calendar with me.	00:53:20
	Yeah, I thought it was January 7th. Yes, 7th if it was the Wednesday because our two we discussed last night and we were doing it	00:53:23
	for.	00:53:27
	At four o'clock 47th.	00:53:32
	At Clearview and then we do like a walkthrough.	00:53:35
	Yes, Ed would like to take the building committee also on a walk through.	00:53:37
	And show what?	00:53:42
	Has been done and show you the new facility before it is occupied.	00:53:44
	Because I think that's so our meeting would be just January 7th and Saturday 8th at Wednesday.	00:53:49
	At 4:00.	00:53:54
	At 4:00.	00:53:55
	And that's when our meeting normally is so.	00:53:58
	And now would be over a Clearview then.	00:54:01
	I don't have a problem with that.	00:54:04
	And Ed said he'd have snacks.	00:54:06
	This construction.	00:54:11
	Phase do the.	00:54:12
	Wall for the CBRF divide.	00:54:15
	The was that included in this whole thing or not?	00:54:17
	No.	00:54:21
	No, this is this is strictly his behavioral health units.	00:54:22
	The only one back with having the joint meeting is.	00:54:30
	Since we have two members on the health committee also.	00:54:35
	If we needed to have our own meeting for some reason, if we needed to have that, it'd be kind of difficult. I don't think that	00:54:39
	would be a problem. I believe there was going to be no.	00:54:43
	Yeah, We were not going to have a business meeting of that. Oh, you weren't?	00:54:48
	OK. It was just for the the committee.	00:54:52
	To do the walkthrough.	00:54:54
	Well, that's what I was kind of thinking too, that we would not have our regular business meeting unless there was something	00:54:56
	really urgent. Yeah. Is the Health and Human Services meeting. We won't have one next month. It'll be February. Is our next Health	00:55:00
	and Human Services meeting. So.	00:55:05
	They would just be there for the walkthrough and that would all workout. And so if we needed our meeting, we would just.	00:55:09
	During Becky and.	00:55:15
	Becky and Jennifer all of a sudden decide that there's some urgent They have to.	00:55:16
	But yeah, next month there is no Health and Human Services meeting. It'll be.	00:55:20
	February so.	00:55:24
	Sure. So we could either do the walkthrough with them, have our meeting after, or vice versa, whatever.	00:55:26
	Right, have our building committee meeting after to walk through you're saying or whatever.	00:55:33
	Or if there's nothing really urgent, I mean, we could.	00:55:38
	We could eliminate the building committee meeting too and just do our walking. We just do the walkthrough what the Human Services	00:55:41
	and then have our building committee meeting and.	00:55:45
	February, just in case that they came back with some more concrete stuff, right?	00:55:48
	January 1st but.	00:55:55
	You know, otherwise if there's nothing urgent and we'll just postpone our building committee one till February.	00:55:57
	And we'll do the walkthrough with Human Services on the 7th.	00:56:03
	At 44.	00:56:06
	Yeah, that's all good to everybody. Sure.	00:56:07
	No, OK.	00:56:11
	So yeah, that I said things are moving along, but it's going to be tight. But it's it's a totally doable.	00:56:13
	Thing I said there was just some longer lead times on some things that.	00:56:20
	Came up at the end here.	00:56:25
	All right.	00:56:32
	Any other questions on that?	00:56:34
	OK, then let's order the 2526 budget update.	00:56:37
	Things are looking.	00:56:43
	Pretty good on that. And there we've got some accounts where he ran over somewhat, but we've also got some that we are quite a bit	00:56:45
	under on.	00:56:48
	Mostly electricity.	00:56:52
	I think we're going to be over on natural gas a little bit and some of our repair accounts are over, some are under. But overall.	00:56:55
	We're tracking pretty well on our total budget.	00:57:01
	So we're in good shape there.	00:57:04
	Good. Umm.	00:57:06
	If there might be one or two accounts where he might ask to carry something over into 2026, but.	00:57:09
	We will look at that in January.	00:57:17
	And.	00:57:20
	All right, then we'll move on in a facility, director reports.	00:57:24
	For repairs and improvements, we're still waiting on the invoice from Hwy. to see how much that Henry Dodge parking lot repairs	00:57:30
	we're going to cost us.	00:57:34
	I thought we were going to have something last week already but we still haven't seen the invoice from Hwy. so we're still waiting	00:57:39
	for that to find out.	00:57:42
	What that costed us, but.	00:57:45
	What Randy was asking about before the Johnson Controls air conditioner on the jail roof.	00:57:50
	They just are not responding to our emails. We asked to talk to someone in the warranty department several times. They have not	00:57:57
	answered any of those emails.	00:58:02
	I did meet with Kim.	00:58:07
	On Monday.	00:58:09
	And.	00:58:10
	If we can't get a resolution soon, then we're going to look at our legal options.	00:58:13
	On that.	00:58:17
	The current invoice for the.	00:58:20
	Disputed repairs that they did this fall is $68184.	00:58:21
	And their estimate to finish the necessary repairs is another $74140.	00:58:29
	So you're looking at over a $14,000 repair for something that we believe should be covered under warranty?	00:58:35
	So we will keep.	00:58:44
	Pursuing that.	00:58:45
	On our end, it's just kind of a slow process on that.	00:58:47
	And luckily it's winter, so we can.	00:58:50
	Yes, kind of take our time on it or.	00:58:52
	Yeah, OK.	00:58:56
	But we're on it. It's just not happening very fast.	00:58:57
	The Clerk of Courts carpet project, they did remove the first set of cubicles today.	00:59:03
	The carpet people are starting on Monday.	00:59:09
	I did get another.	00:59:14
	Bid on the cubicle removal last month. We talked about that. The first one was $18,864 to remove the cubicles and set them back	00:59:16
	up.	00:59:21
	There was a second vendor that was on the state of Wisconsin.	00:59:26
	Contract and we had them come in and give us a price.	00:59:30
	And they bid $12,180, so our savings was $66184.	00:59:34
	By checking with another vendor that was on the state approved.	00:59:41
	Contract.	00:59:45
	So we went with them.	00:59:47
	Good job. They sent two guys out and, and they weren't here very long and they had all six cubicles disconnected and.	00:59:49
	Taken down, stored away and.	00:59:57
	Whatever.	01:00:00
	We did find that once we started moving some furniture and some file cabinets and stuff away from some of the walls.	01:00:01
	We can see how faded the walls are after 25 years so.	01:00:09
	The entire clerk of courts area is going to get repainted. The guys already did the West wall today and they started on the South	01:00:13
	wall.	01:00:17
	And they'll just keep working their way around, but the whole work area will get a fresh coat of paint also just based on the the	01:00:21
	fading of the walls from that many years.	01:00:26
	Ready, Phil?	01:00:34
	So last month we talked a little bit about the compressor, air compressor repair for the security system at the jail.	01:00:35
	And I just wanted to show you a few pictures of what we're talking about.	01:00:42
	So the.	01:00:45
	The air compressor that you see there, the the big one that says Quincy Northwest, there's one there and then there's one off to	01:00:47
	the right.	01:00:51
	That you can't see. So they're they're duplex systems.	01:00:55
	They alternate one runs.	01:00:59
	And then the next one runs. Then that one runs again.	01:01:01
	You can see the brand new compressor.	01:01:04
	That we purchased for that we purchased the compressor for both of those units. So both of those got a brand new.	01:01:07
	Compressor on there.	01:01:14
	And that is what drives all the locks in the jail as well as the sliding cell doors. It's all air driven.	01:01:15
	If you go on.	01:01:25
	Phil that's.	01:01:26
	Close up view of the top of that.	01:01:28
	That's what our piston looked like after it burnt the oil in it and kind of went into a a meltdown. You can see the piston and	01:01:32
	part of the rod there.	01:01:37
	Or the pin.	01:01:42
	Boy, this pin, you know.	01:01:44
	And then you'll see the.	01:01:49
	Rod coming up here.	01:01:51
	So after 25 years of running pretty much round the clock it it gave up the ghost.	01:01:55
	So we do have.	01:02:05
	2 new compressors and we should be good for the next 25 years.	01:02:06
	Phil's going to show you a few pictures of.	01:02:14
	Some repairs we did in medical a couple months ago.	01:02:18
	Um.	01:02:22
	The the laminate that you see is.	01:02:25
	All the cabinetry in the jail and the courts was all.	01:02:32
	Like particle board?	01:02:36
	With just this laminate over the top of it.	01:02:38
	And.	01:02:41
	Through the years, you can see where we put an aluminum strip on this corner. Here the corners get shipped and the laminate starts	01:02:42
	to peel and all that.	01:02:46
	This was more leftover wood that we had from the Sheriff's Office from when it was still a courthouse.	01:02:50
	The guys just took that and.	01:02:56
	Fit it all for the corners there to.	01:02:59
	Dress it up and and hide where all the laminate was chipped and where it was starting to appeal and lift up.	01:03:02
	The other thing?	01:03:08
	You need to go back that one, Phil.	01:03:09
	Another thing I want to show you is we know that's that's fine, Phil.	01:03:12
	This is just another corner where the aluminum we put on the corner.	01:03:15
	This flooring was replaced about five years ago and we've had problems ever since it was put in.	01:03:20
	We've had problems with the adhesive.	01:03:26
	And the floor tiles themselves seem to.	01:03:28
	Stretch and expand.	01:03:31
	Two Higgs are flooring vendor from Fond du Lac. They were back.	01:03:33
	And repaired this several times over the years.	01:03:36
	And it just was not.	01:03:40
	Standing up.	01:03:43
	To the use like the original flooring had.	01:03:44
	So the guys decided to go to Menards.	01:03:48
	And.	01:03:53
	Yep, I'm good. Bill, go to the next.	01:03:55
	Yep, they got some different flooring and the guy has decided that.	01:03:57
	If we put in vinyl plank, this is the waiting area.	01:04:03
	Outside of the medical office.	01:04:06
	You can see they took the flooring out, they put in all.	01:04:09
	Vinyl plank there.	01:04:12
	And that is the main corridor in the medical office.	01:04:15
	They put that in, you can see they put a transition strip in for a carpeted area there.	01:04:19
	There's a transition strip into the medical drug room, the locked Med room. They put a strip in there also.	01:04:28
	And.	01:04:37
	Got rid of the.	01:04:39
	And that's into a restroom in there where you have the poured quartz flooring that they put a transition strip from the new vinyl	01:04:41
	plank into that.	01:04:45
	Much appreciated by the medical staff there that.	01:04:52
	It really did help because you get those edges coming up a little bit, kind of a trip hazard also in there, so.	01:04:55
	We got rid of the bad flooring. We did this all ourselves. I think it was like 11 or 1200 or something for the flooring and the	01:05:01
	guys did all that.	01:05:05
	Nice.	01:05:10
	Very good.	01:05:11
	Yeah, it is.	01:05:12
	Looks good.	01:05:14
	So that's the show and tell pictures for this month.	01:05:15
	You guys do good work, you know that? Yeah, they do.	01:05:18
	Could be carpenters and floor layers.	01:05:21
	If they wanted a second job.	01:05:24
	And painters.	01:05:28
	The kitchen floor we did purchase all the.	01:05:32
	Pair material a few months back.	01:05:36
	We do have the.	01:05:38
	The flooring people scheduled to do the repairs in there starting January 5th, the first Monday in January.	01:05:41
	So the kitchen will be down for three days. They'll be doing cold meals, Styrofoam Packers and that sort of thing.	01:05:48
	So they're estimating that the.	01:05:55
	The flooring is going to take three days to do.	01:05:57
	I do have 10,000 budgeted in the jail improvement fund for 26 which is going to pay for.	01:06:01
	I think the labor is going to be like 5 or 6000.	01:06:08
	On that.	01:06:11
	To take all that.	01:06:12
	That is bad. And then relay.	01:06:14
	At the same time, our dishwasher is now nine years old, I believe, and the belt is really wearing on it.	01:06:18
	So we had Hobart come in and take a look at that.	01:06:27
	So that first Tuesday and Wednesday in January, they're going to be looking at putting a new belt in and replacing some bearings	01:06:30
	in the dishwasher, as long as we're not going to be doing dishes anyway.	01:06:35
	So we're going to get all that done at the same time. And I also had 10,000 in the jail improvement fund budget for 26 for	01:06:40
	dishwasher repairs.	01:06:44
	I'm not sure that's going to cover the entire cost of the belt, but.	01:06:50
	We did put 10 in the budget for that.	01:06:53
	Purpose.	01:06:56
	So that's what we got to get that done while it's down anyway, yeah.	01:06:59
	So we're going to do both projects at the same time and.	01:07:03
	Get that all spruced up for the kitchen there.	01:07:07
	On the operations side.	01:07:13
	We still have an open 2nd shift custodian position in the jail.	01:07:16
	It has been extremely hard to get applicants for that.	01:07:21
	We're still exploring our options of what we're going to do there, but it's been tough getting applicants for that position.	01:07:26
	The chamber, they have put a Christmas tree out on the Plaza out there. They will be lighting it Friday evening.	01:07:34
	I hope you guys saw that or not. It's about 25 foot tall.	01:07:41
	Really, they brought in with a telehandler.	01:07:44
	The other day.	01:07:48
	The Chamber did that.	01:07:48
	Mm-hmm. Only call yesterday, the city had their bucket truck there, they put all the lights on it. And tomorrow night they will	01:07:50
	have a tree lighting ceremony. I think it's like at 6:00 or something like that, so.	01:07:56
	Wow, Chambers trying to do things downtown, spruce things up and.	01:08:02
	Make it more inviting and look good and.	01:08:06
	Nice.	01:08:09
	So we'll see how that goes.	01:08:10
	We've been working with it. We did pull a whole bunch of new data lines in the detective area where their data lines were failing	01:08:13
	in the Sheriff's Office.	01:08:18
	So I think we pulled 12 new lines in there last week.	01:08:25
	From the upstairs all the way down through some conduits, all the way down into the basement to the.	01:08:29
	Server room and.	01:08:34
	And it came in and terminated all the ends and.	01:08:36
	Got that up and going. They were having a lot of problems.	01:08:39
	Slow computers, issues with phone calls, the data lines were just bad in that building. So.	01:08:42
	So we got that area.	01:08:49
	Spruced up.	01:08:50
	Our trail restroom cleaning.	01:08:53
	That's taken on a little bit of a challenge here. Now we're adapting to the cold weather.	01:08:56
	Mm-hmm. We've never had a deal with this before, because before they had porta potties, you know, so we, we have had some issues	01:09:01
	cleaning them.	01:09:05
	You know, concrete floors get a little icy. Now you gotta.	01:09:12
	Clean them different different chemicals.	01:09:15
	So we're working on that. We're working with our housekeeping janitorial supplier on different types of chemicals and we're also	01:09:18
	working with parks on.	01:09:23
	Possibly getting some anti slip matting or something for inside those for during the winter but been a little bit of a challenge,	01:09:28
	but is it something that we're learning to adapt to on how to?	01:09:32
	Clean these and keep them clean for the winter.	01:09:38
	Windshield washer fluid instead of water.	01:09:40
	There's another option. Yeah, that's a good idea.	01:09:43
	Those were freeze. That's another option, yes.	01:09:48
	So we did have.	01:09:53
	A little bit of a mess that got frozen down tight the other day. So Parks, actually one of the guys from Parks came in with their.	01:09:56
	Ice fishing shanty heater and we.	01:10:04
	Heated the whole thing up inside there so we could, we could liquefy everything and get it cleaned up. But so yeah, we're learning	01:10:06
	how to adapt to the challenges of keeping those clean during the winter.	01:10:12
	We're also, we went to a seminar a while back on salting and things like that and what is the most efficient and the cost	01:10:22
	effective?	01:10:26
	We're actually looking at building ourselves a brine unit for the back one of our pickup trucks.	01:10:31
	Which would be a lot cheaper than using.	01:10:36
	Salt from the highway.	01:10:39
	We have a tote, we're ready. It's just a matter of.	01:10:42
	PVC piping and some spray nozzles and a small pump and.	01:10:46
	And a hand wand then or you're going to have a sprayer bar how you spray your bar.	01:10:51
	At our last facility managers conference that we went to.	01:10:58
	There was a lady there that presented a thing on that, then she showed.	01:11:03
	Several different municipalities, right, whether they were city or county or whatever.	01:11:08
	Where they have made their own.	01:11:12
	And.	01:11:14
	Saved a lot of money on on salting and it was a little more effective. You can pretreat, you know, before you have snow and.	01:11:16
	Things like that. So we're looking at.	01:11:23
	Doing that also.	01:11:24
	And where would you put that on?	01:11:26
	We have our two. We have two pickup trucks with bows on it. One has a Salter, 1 does not.	01:11:28
	So we have a.	01:11:34
	Empty pickup truck bed that we could put it on.	01:11:35
	So how are the parking lots not the sidewalk? I was gonna say, how would you do the sidewalks? We want just for the parking lots	01:11:37
	and the.	01:11:41
	OK.	01:11:45
	So that Brian only operates above 19°, right?	01:11:47
	Depends on what you make it out of there. There was some temperature limits, I don't remember exactly what they were filled you.	01:11:51
	You're almost gonna have to have both.	01:11:58
	I thought depending on what you use it was like -4 or something like that.	01:11:59
	That there was a couple different mixtures you can make depending on what you want to make it out of. I saw Brian said it was 19°	01:12:04
	or about.	01:12:08
	Well, yeah, if you make it out of rocks, if you're just out of salt.	01:12:11
	But there's other. So yeah, we have, we are looking at.	01:12:15
	Our various options on that and given that a world as long as we have a tote, you know we can.	01:12:19
	We can do that for a couple 100 bucks to.	01:12:24
	Throw that together, the guys can build that and.	01:12:26
	So.	01:12:29
	Other than that, just a lot of regular maintenance going on and.	01:12:32
	That's all I got.	01:12:36
	Super.	01:12:38
	That second shift jail custodian position A.	01:12:38
	Can't fill.	01:12:42
	Is there like a set wage that you start some?	01:12:44
	It's currently what it's.	01:12:49
	18.	01:12:52
	65 I want to say 18 something.	01:12:54
	Having a hard time filling it because of the wage.	01:13:00
	Or people want more money than that. Or.	01:13:02
	We're not even getting.	01:13:06
	Not even getting applicants for it or.	01:13:11
	We've gotten some, but it.	01:13:14
	It's slim Pickens.	01:13:16
	Was there like a shift premium at 2nd shift or not? Yes, there is a $0.50 an hour shift premium on top of that.	01:13:20
	If somebody came in with with a substantial amount of experience, Cameron does have the ability.	01:13:27
	To start them out at a wage. Step 2 or Step 3.	01:13:34
	If I would request that.	01:13:38
	And most of our custodians that we've hired in the last few years have started out at Step 2.	01:13:42
	OK. Any other questions?	01:13:54
	All right, any future agenda items?	01:13:57
	The master study stays on there yet and.	01:14:05
	And.	01:14:08
	I don't know if we need to have Clearview on there anymore because the next meeting is going to be in February and.	01:14:09
	That projects pretty.	01:14:15
	Pretty well getting phase one will be finished.	01:14:16
	Oh yeah.	01:14:19
	Phase 2 will start.	01:14:21
	I believe they want to start phase two on the 20th of January.	01:14:23
	So maybe we should just keep that as soon as those people are moved from the B wing to the A wing.	01:14:27
	They will start in the B wing. OK.	01:14:32
	OK.	01:14:37
	Keep it up. Yeah, keep it on there then, right?	01:14:38
	Any other thing you guys want on there for future agenda items? Otherwise we'll just leave it up to John and.	01:14:42
	John does a thorough job.	01:14:49
	Yes, he does. Very organized, Dale.	01:14:50
	Appreciate that, John.	01:14:55
	And your work. I appreciate that, Barb.	01:14:57
	All right then. John's just a mouthpiece, yes.	01:15:04
	Our next meeting is going to be January 7th over at Clearview to do a walkthrough with the Human Services at 4:00.	01:15:09
	And I declared this meeting adjourned at 5:17.	01:15:16
	Thank you.	01:15:19