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	Roll call has been taken.	00:00:02
	And I see no public comment.	00:00:04
	So we need approval of the minutes from October 2nd.	00:00:08
	So moved.	00:00:13
	And I'll second that.	00:00:14
	OK, all in favor.	00:00:15
	Say aye, aye.	00:00:16
	OK, here we go.	00:00:18
	John.	00:00:21
	OK, the master plan.	00:00:22
	Cameron and I will be meeting with Venture Architects next week Friday. They're gonna.	00:00:25
	Present the some preliminary information on that and I'm guessing.	00:00:31
	We'll probably have to steer in which direction we want to go with that, but.	00:00:36
	We will have a meeting with them next Friday on some preliminary stuff.	00:00:40
	I have.	00:00:45
	Received some questions lately on the timeline and why it's kind of delayed but.	00:00:46
	Realistically, in their proposal that they originally presented to the county, it was a 5 month.	00:00:52
	Plan and.	00:00:58
	You know this got rejected in February, then finally approved in March.	00:01:00
	It was April 25th before the contract actually got signed where they could hammer out the contract language.	00:01:06
	And then we really had our first meeting with Venture and the department heads on May 30th.	00:01:12
	So if you do June, July, August, December, October.	00:01:19
	You're only a couple months.	00:01:22
	For a couple weeks past that five month.	00:01:24
	Window that they were talking about to get it done.	00:01:28
	And they are fairly close. They did come back a couple times in October.	00:01:31
	To ask about some last minute questions and and just trying to fit all the pieces of the puzzle into our floor plan.	00:01:37
	So I think just taking that extra few weeks is a good thing, I think.	00:01:46
	You know that.	00:01:50
	They want to make sure that we got a good product, that we're getting what we want.	00:01:51
	And I I know it would have been ideal to have this finished before the budget discussion.	00:01:55
	But it.	00:02:01
	Just didn't workout that way.	00:02:02
	So that's where we're at on the master plan.	00:02:05
	Such as life.	00:02:08
	Very much.	00:02:12
	Any questions on any? Are you happy with the?	00:02:14
	With the way it's gone, yes, I'm very happy with the the work that they've done, I think the touring that we did.	00:02:17
	Their meetings with department heads, I think that all went very well.	00:02:24
	And I'm looking forward to really seeing what they're going to give us for finished product.	00:02:28
	It seemed like they were very thorough for many indicators or discussions that you know.	00:02:33
	Pad. I guess it.	00:02:38
	They've worked with a lot of my fellow maintenance directors around the state and they've all been happy with their services and.	00:02:39
	So I'm looking forward to seeing what.	00:02:48
	They got for.	00:02:50
	Sure. Good, good. And you're saying next week you intend to meet with them and.	00:02:51
	Cameron And yes, we have a meeting scheduled for next week Friday on the 14th.	00:02:57
	Just to kind of tie up any loose ends or yes.	00:03:01
	So you should see something.	00:03:06
	I would hope they'd have something for.	00:03:08
	Our December building committee meeting.	00:03:10
	OK, so.	00:03:13
	Nice, that's what I got on the master plan.	00:03:17
	OK, very good.	00:03:20
	Clearview project.	00:03:24
	The Clearview project is moving along.	00:03:26
	The tentative move date for the residents that we move to phase.	00:03:29
	Moving over to phase one once it's completed is January 19th.	00:03:33
	Talking with John, what we'd like to do is.	00:03:39
	It should be more or less.	00:03:42
	You should be able to see 98% of it.	00:03:44
	Come January meeting time, so we're thinking of doing a joint meeting, we'll have it over a Clearview and then you can see what	00:03:46
	everything looks like before anybody moves in.	00:03:50
	Be able to talk about, you know, some of the features of the finished product.	00:03:55
	As far as the project goes.	00:03:59
	You know, just a usual construction stuff going on. Some contractors asking for ads that are in their contracts so they're not	00:04:02
	entitled to them, others asking for ads for stuff that was missed and.	00:04:07
	They've been allowed so the contingency budget on it.	00:04:12
	Is it's 500,000.	00:04:15
	You know, some of the contingency items they've asked for cover both sides of the project. So right now.	00:04:18
	The approved.	00:04:23
	Changes change orders have been 200,000.	00:04:25
	So, you know, the biggest of which was.	00:04:28
	The non anti ligature plumbing fixtures were missed.	00:04:32
	On the plan so.	00:04:36
	But what the architect, they're going to pay for the because it's something we would have had to pay for anyways. So they're	00:04:39
	paying for the markup on all the.	00:04:43
	On all the fixtures.	00:04:47
	So they're absorbing that cost because it was a miss on their part. So the rest would be something we'd be paying for anyways, so.	00:04:48
	There's that.	00:04:56
	And then there's been a disagreement with the fire alarm company and the electrician and electric the electrician.	00:04:58
	Who bid on it? It's in their bid packet that the fire.	00:05:04
	Controls are in there.	00:05:07
	And it was actually specifically called out an addendum.	00:05:09
	During bidding and they signed it, they acknowledged it so.	00:05:12
	They're trying to get us to pay the fire contractor, but it's in their contract that very they contract with them. So again, it's	00:05:17
	just kind of a back and forth stuff that goes on. But Indigenous season changes. But like I said, it's just, you know, normal	00:05:23
	stuff that goes on with any building project. You know, when the county does their master plan, you're going to.	00:05:29
	You know, if you spend $250 million doing the building.	00:05:35
	I'm gonna need a two and a half million dollar contingency or.	00:05:39
	Whatever.	00:05:41
	However much you approve.	00:05:43
	So.	00:05:44
	The state is coming in for Bill.	00:05:47
	The state will come through on the 15th of January.	00:05:51
	To approve occupancy so.	00:05:53
	It'll be the the state engineer will be coming through looking at everything and then also the.	00:05:55
	That department health services will be coming through to make sure that we have everything set up to, you know, to accommodate to	00:06:00
	residents and treat them once it opens so.	00:06:04
	Like I said, it's on track, so the 19th, which is about where I guessed we'd be.	00:06:09
	You know, late fall, early winter is what I was predicting to be done, and that's right around where they are, so.	00:06:14
	Good. Again, Catalyst has been great to work with. We're very pleased with the services they've been providing. They keep us aware	00:06:20
	of everything. They're real good at working with the staff so.	00:06:25
	Yeah, it's been a good project so far.	00:06:30
	And then talk about the tornado.	00:06:34
	Sure, like to check stuff and I'm right here so.	00:06:36
	Yeah, they have all the drywalling and knocked down done inside the.	00:06:40
	The group home.	00:06:46
	You toured that last time we were out there.	00:06:47
	Well, as funny as they we.	00:06:50
	We added a wall so because it was a 2 bedroom we changed it into a 21 bedrooms.	00:06:52
	And when they're cutting the hole in the stone.	00:06:57
	To put in the new window.	00:07:00
	They noticed that all the stone was pulling off of the building that what had happened.	00:07:02
	Because the roof, you know, the building kind of shifted during the tornado. When they shifted it back, you didn't notice that it	00:07:06
	shifted away from the.	00:07:11
	There weren't any wall ties in there, or yeah, they were, but it pulled away from old wall ties, so.	00:07:18
	So they have to replace. They're going to be the stones are there and they're gonna, you know.	00:07:25
	Fix it but.	00:07:28
	That was part of it.	00:07:30
	You know the solar panels have all been replaced.	00:07:32
	We're looking at middle of December to move into.	00:07:35
	Back into trail vehicle, you know we're going to look at doing something nice for the residents when they move back in. You know	00:07:38
	me like a tree lighting ceremony or something right before Christmas.	00:07:42
	The garages, they were supposed to be delivering the materials Friday and it looks like they got pushed back to next week.	00:07:49
	And then Morton is going to come in and start.	00:07:54
	Reconstructing them so.	00:07:57
	Hopefully before the snow flies, we'll be able to put.	00:07:59
	Things back in there.	00:08:01
	Good. And then the.	00:08:02
	The parking lot lights.	00:08:04
	Those are supposed to be delivered.	00:08:07
	August. Then they got delayed and delayed, delayed and.	00:08:08
	Supposedly they're coming in November and then that pretty well.	00:08:11
	Wraps up everything we they're preparing some holes on AB building where the rooftop units got shifted during the tornado.	00:08:15
	And then it got placed back. We've been having some roof leaks there. So they're going to be repairing nose, but.	00:08:21
	Other than that, they're just.	00:08:26
	Just wrapping up, I mean, considering all the damage we had.	00:08:27
	On May 15th, I mean.	00:08:31
	Yeah, I I've been, I've been very satisfied with them. I mean, they had we.	00:08:33
	Been doing the contacting ourselves.	00:08:38
	I think we're still be cleaning up debris, much less wrapping up the project. So I I.	00:08:40
	I've been very. I don't know you.	00:08:46
	What did you think of Paul Davis? I've been pretty impressed with them so far. Issue with them?	00:08:47
	Yeah, so.	00:08:51
	Yeah, so.	00:08:52
	Yep, that's what they do. So that's what they do.	00:08:54
	The reflex were pretty minor that you found.	00:08:57
	Well, or not.	00:09:01
	In the middle section where the skylight or that the skylights the.	00:09:02
	Solar panels were.	00:09:09
	Those were pretty bad. They had a lot of damage up there, but they they repaired quite a bit of that roof because it leaked in a	00:09:10
	lot of the insulation had to be replaced.	00:09:14
	But they cut all that up and then replaced everything. They've taken all the ballast off so they could find all the leaks and.	00:09:18
	And they put it all back.	00:09:24
	But, you know, and they've been, you know, they keep us updated.	00:09:26
	You know they run in the same stuff we do, supply chain issues and you know they.	00:09:28
	Let us know when things are happening and they communicate with the staff so.	00:09:33
	Yeah, I guess I don't.	00:09:37
	Best of a bad situation SO.	00:09:38
	So I think for that last one, they're just going to cut out a big square and just patch in a new piece of material, correct.	00:09:40
	That's what I'm under. That's my understanding is that's what Tonya told me also. So.	00:09:45
	Yeah, OK.	00:09:50
	I think that's the last leak in the.	00:09:51
	A wing, right?	00:09:53
	Here's hoping.	00:09:55
	You know, issue we have, you know, it's getting to be a 20 year old roof and.	00:09:59
	When it was initially put on, the ballots they put on wasn't Riverstone. It's a little more jagged so.	00:10:03
	That's that concern that's going to.	00:10:08
	Prematurely aged the roof because you know they got those sharp edges pushing down South.	00:10:10
	Won't be a big deal if there isn't a lot of.	00:10:15
	Foot traffic and things out. And of course when the tornado would.	00:10:17
	Debris and stuff bounced around. Bigger problem had tornadoes. The neighbors roof trust is flying.	00:10:21
	But OK.	00:10:28
	Yeah, so that's all I got.	00:10:30
	The only QR damage I had was kW was out today and they did pour the base for the light pole that was damaged up at the Henry Dodge	00:10:33
	building and they will be putting the pole up next week Wednesday so.	00:10:39
	They're all today.	00:10:46
	That base.	00:10:47
	So OK.	00:10:48
	That is the last item that I need fixed other than those air conditioner coils.	00:10:50
	That will be fixed.	00:10:55
	End of January or?	00:10:57
	And in December, beginning of January.	00:10:58
	OK. You said them coils are covered under insurance. Yes, good.	00:11:00
	Yeah.	00:11:04
	So that's it for tornado damage?	00:11:07
	Good.	00:11:09
	Good. All right.	00:11:11
	The budget update.	00:11:13
	Budget, we're pretty much on track for 2025. I don't really see too many issues there.	00:11:15
	Just one thing I wanted to bring up is we did get an unexpected.	00:11:23
	Check from Johnson Controls for $17,000.	00:11:28
	They were apparently, they must have went back and did some auditing of their books and their reports and everything, and	00:11:33
	apparently we overpaid them.	00:11:37
	14,000 something from back in 2021.	00:11:43
	Wow.	00:11:47
	It was. It was some COVID projects when we put the ionization units in all the air handlers in all of our buildings.	00:11:51
	And then there was 2000 some dollars back from 2016 that they say we overpaid on something or they calculated the invoice wrong	00:11:58
	or?	00:12:03
	But I don't think we we paid more than what?	00:12:08
	The invoice was they did.	00:12:10
	The wrong calculations on their end.	00:12:13
	That's nice. Well, that's decent. I'm gonna be honest, that's sort of unheard of, isn't it? So we did get a $17,000 and some	00:12:17
	change refund check.	00:12:21
	Good. And that was deposited into.	00:12:26
	Five different building accounts for us.	00:12:31
	Split between the five buildings where we did the work, so.	00:12:34
	So that helps out with my.	00:12:39
	Budget a little bit for this year, yeah. Puts a smile on your face. Yeah, it did.	00:12:41
	So that is our budget update.	00:12:46
	On our building repairs and improvements.	00:12:51
	The east parking lot of Henry Dodge has finally been fixed now.	00:12:54
	They did mill out a lot of.	00:12:57
	Sections of blacktop a lot more than what we anticipated.	00:13:00
	But once they really got to looking at it and doing it, yeah, more of it has come out.	00:13:04
	Not sure what the cost is going to be on that, but it does look a lot.	00:13:09
	Nicer. And we did get a lot rid of a lot of trip hazards out there in the parking lot.	00:13:14
	And a lot of big.	00:13:19
	Chuck holes that people were driving through so.	00:13:20
	The West lot they did not get to yet. I did talk to Steve Pet yesterday and it sounds like they're just going to do some some	00:13:23
	crack filling in a little bit of.	00:13:27
	Patching for this fall yet over there that was not as bad as the east side of the lot. OK.	00:13:32
	So we should be in good shape for the winter on both of those lots over there.	00:13:40
	Do they do a seal coat when they're done with that or then no?	00:13:46
	As far as it really should be, it should be totally ground up and redone. It's it's beyond seal coating. But without knowing the	00:13:50
	future of that building.	00:13:55
	So we're almost to the point where we should be looking at.	00:14:02
	Whether we're going to do a seal coat in our admin parking lot and our justice facility parking lot.	00:14:04
	Could you do that next year? Let us know because we're planning to.	00:14:12
	I I did talk. I'll get to that in a minute, though. I did have a building envelope engineer here today and they also do parking	00:14:15
	lots. That's their business as buildings and parking lots.	00:14:21
	For the engineering work and he would be happy to.	00:14:27
	Look at our lots and give us a recommendation on what they think should be done with them also.	00:14:32
	So.	00:14:39
	Good. We did have a kind of a major hot water leak at Henry Dodge what week and a half ago?	00:14:40
	Kind of turned into about four people being here till about 7:00 at night. That was on the bad pictures that we showed you last	00:14:50
	week when we actually got around to trying to fix it.	00:14:55
	Everything just broke and the shut offs in the building didn't hold and.	00:15:01
	We did try freezing the pipes, that slowed the water down some, but Phil did have to drain all the hot water out of the building	00:15:06
	so we could actually take all the pressure off it to repair these leaks.	00:15:12
	And I don't think that this is going to be the last time we're going to be doing that this winter.	00:15:19
	What was the leak caused by?	00:15:26
	Deteriorated piping or yeah.	00:15:28
	Yeah, Yep. When?	00:15:32
	They had soaked it with penetrating fluid for a couple of weeks and they thought it was going to break loose and.	00:15:34
	Well, it broke it loose, right?	00:15:40
	And we're supposed to so.	00:15:44
	Unfortunately, it is what it is.	00:15:48
	We'll just deal with them one at a time as they come.	00:15:53
	Do any?	00:15:57
	PR to try to get the valves working so you can isolate things a little bit.	00:15:57
	About all the same shape from what we did that night. We put in two valves.	00:16:02
	And got the water stopped.	00:16:07
	So we could refill it and get the borders fired up again.	00:16:09
	But as far as the big isolation valves that the seats are pretty well.	00:16:13
	Just gone.	00:16:17
	Last month we talked a little bit.	00:16:23
	About the 400 ton York air conditioner on the jail roof and.	00:16:24
	The issues with the compressors.	00:16:29
	We still have not gotten any satisfactory response from Johnson Controls. We're still pursuing this under warranty.	00:16:31
	And we've asked numerous times.	00:16:40
	To have them provide a contact for us in their warranty department to discuss this.	00:16:42
	And they will not give us a name or e-mail or a phone number or.	00:16:50
	Anything so we're.	00:16:55
	Pursuing that, I'm working with Kim on that and we're going to see if we can get them to cover that because it is.	00:16:57
	A total of $12,000 under.	00:17:02
	But we.	00:17:05
	Believe should be warranty work.	00:17:06
	So they're disputing those warranty workers, yes.	00:17:09
	They are on what grounds? Because.	00:17:13
	Well.	00:17:15
	The compressors.	00:17:16
	Have a 66 month parts and labor warranty.	00:17:18
	And.	00:17:23
	The piping is connected to the compressor and you have to take the top of the compressor off to get to the gasket that's leaking.	00:17:24
	On the pipe.	00:17:33
	But they said it's not in the compressor so they're not covering it.	00:17:35
	But you do have to take part of it apart to change the gasket.	00:17:39
	So we are disputing that it is.	00:17:45
	Compressor related.	00:17:48
	And it should be covered.	00:17:50
	So.	00:17:55
	We will keep working on that and I will.	00:17:57
	Keep you guys up to date on that one.	00:17:59
	Daniel Dem units run in winter to get moisture out of the air.	00:18:02
	Or no.	00:18:05
	We've had them run as late as like early December. You know if you get a 60° day or something in December that it will hit its	00:18:07
	threshold where it does turn on and the air handlers will flop over to cooling instead of heating.	00:18:13
	But.	00:18:19
	That's kind of rare, but it has happened in December. But otherwise they they are just sitting up there for the winter.	00:18:21
	Then they usually don't come on till like April then.	00:18:27
	Yeah, sometimes you might get a warm day in late March or something, but it's usually mid-april before that.	00:18:30
	Start running consistently.	00:18:35
	So.	00:18:38
	I said we'll keep plugging away at it and I'll keep you guys.	00:18:40
	Informed what's going on?	00:18:43
	Good.	00:18:45
	We did. I believe Kim signed the contract today for the Clerk of Courts carpeting.	00:18:48
	That's just over $30,000.	00:18:56
	Unfortunately, our.	00:18:59
	Normal vendor that we've been using for several years.	00:19:01
	They came in 193 dollars.	00:19:05
	Too high.	00:19:08
	Above the low bid so.	00:19:09
	Unfortunate for them.	00:19:11
	But.	00:19:13
	Public bidding, that's what we do.	00:19:15
	The issue I'm having though is.	00:19:18
	The.	00:19:20
	Cubicles, we wanted to have that disassembled and reassembled by a vendor because we just really don't have that much time to do	00:19:22
	that.	00:19:26
	The bid came back at $18,800.	00:19:30
	Jesus. And I did contact another vendor in Madison.	00:19:34
	Made three different phone calls, talked to him several times on the phone. Yeah, we'll, we'll get back to you. We'll give you a	00:19:40
	price. We're going to come out and look.	00:19:43
	And yeah, nothing.	00:19:46
	So I do have another one that is on the state of Wisconsin furniture moving contract and they will be out tomorrow to take a look	00:19:49
	at it to get us a second price on this because I just.	00:19:54
	Can't believe that.	00:19:59
	That's worth 18,800 to disassemble the cubicles and reassemble them.	00:20:01
	That's a lot of money.	00:20:06
	I was guessing 7 to 8. That was my.	00:20:08
	Dollar amount that I had in the budget for this project.	00:20:11
	I think 18 is way out of line, but we'll see once we get a second quote.	00:20:15
	You have an idea how long?	00:20:20
	We'll take them to take them cubicles down and put them up.	00:20:22
	There's a 80 hours or you don't. I wouldn't even.	00:20:25
	Not even that I know.	00:20:28
	So we will.	00:20:31
	Work on that, we'll see what we get for a second bid on the.	00:20:33
	Cubicle work.	00:20:36
	Back to the carpets.	00:20:38
	Was the low bid considered responsible bidder?	00:20:40
	Yes.	00:20:43
	The low bidder was actually one that is on the State of Wisconsin contract, our normal vendor that we use out of Fond du Lac that	00:20:44
	actually did the building originally.	00:20:49
	They are not on the State of Wisconsin contract, but they've always.	00:20:54
	Been here and done a good job. Yes, and they have they've they've stood behind their work very well over the years. Even 5-6 years	00:20:59
	down the road they've come back and fixed it for free.	00:21:03
	But the outfit that got it was out of Janesville and they are on the state of Wisconsin.	00:21:10
	Flooring contract.	00:21:18
	Because yeah, so.	00:21:19
	I just thought they perhaps weren't.	00:21:22
	Considered responsible you could, you know.	00:21:24
	Give it to the people that you're comfortable working with anyway.	00:21:27
	We, we really read through it and I sat down with Kim and Trista and we went through the the bids and that and there was there was	00:21:30
	no reason to not award it to them.	00:21:34
	So that's the way it goes I guess.	00:21:42
	Yeah.	00:21:45
	We in the jail, all the locks and the sliding doors and everything run off compressed air.	00:21:47
	And there is a.	00:21:54
	Very large.	00:21:56
	Compressor up there with two.	00:21:58
	2 compressors, 2 big tanks.	00:22:02
	Each one has a compressor head on it and they alternate. This one will run.	00:22:03
	Shuts down. Next time this one runs, shuts down.	00:22:07
	So you have a redundant system.	00:22:10
	One of the compressors blew a head out.	00:22:13
	On it.	00:22:15
	And.	00:22:16
	These are original. They're 25 years old. All we've had to do with them over the years is just change oil. They've always been in	00:22:19
	very good shape, but this one just.	00:22:22
	Experienced a massive failure.	00:22:26
	We did have a vendor bid on it.	00:22:29
	To have them come in and fix it.	00:22:33
	It would have been a little faster than our guys fixing it, but it would have been like an additional $3000.	00:22:35
	So we decided to order the parts ourselves and we did replace the.	00:22:41
	Both compressors.	00:22:45
	So we figured, well, if one failed, you don't know how much life the other one has in it yet.	00:22:46
	So we were able to replace both compressors for just over $5000.	00:22:51
	And we did all the work ourselves. The only thing was it was going to take a little longer.	00:22:57
	And.	00:23:01
	If the other one would have failed.	00:23:02
	What do we do now? Because now none of the locks in the jail are working, so the guys rigged up.	00:23:04
	They had a portable compressor.	00:23:10
	Sitting next to it all ready to go in the proper pipe fittings and everything ready to go. So if we would have dumped the other	00:23:12
	one out in the meantime before we got the parts in, we would have been able to.	00:23:17
	Change over to that so we would have.	00:23:23
	Portable backup in there.	00:23:25
	That we wouldn't have been totally out of luck.	00:23:27
	So we thought it was worth the time to do that and then just do it ourselves and save that money.	00:23:30
	Redundancy there.	00:23:36
	Yeah, it was like gear Dr. compressors or.	00:23:38
	Piston ones.	00:23:42
	It's a piston.	00:23:43
	Mr. It's just a great big freestanding Quincy.	00:23:44
	Oh standard air compressed yeah takes about this tall on it with a big.	00:23:48
	Was like A5 horse motor on it I think Phil.	00:23:55
	OK, actually for the seven and a half, 7 1/2.	00:23:59
	So yeah, that is all fixed and that money came out of jail improvement fund.	00:24:05
	It was like 5018 dollars.	00:24:09
	So.	00:24:13
	Jail should be good for another 25 years on their compressed air system.	00:24:15
	And I said we did have an engineer out this afternoon to look at the Sheriff's Department roof.	00:24:21
	That is in the CIP.	00:24:25
	For next year.	00:24:27
	So we had an engineer come out and look at it. They're going to give us a ballpark price on the engineering for it.	00:24:30
	And if that comes in at the right dollar amount, then I am.	00:24:37
	Able to hire that.	00:24:41
	Without putting that out forbid.	00:24:43
	As a professional service.	00:24:45
	And then that money will be available right after the first of the year.	00:24:48
	And they said they they would actually do the engineering on it already in December if we.	00:24:52
	Went with them and they would just not bill us till January. That way we could get it out for bids right away in the beginning of	00:24:57
	January.	00:25:00
	You know.	00:25:04
	Vendors are looking for work for the year already and sooner we get it all forbid the better price we're going to get.	00:25:05
	So that's where we're at with that.	00:25:13
	How many square feet was that again?	00:25:17
	He was going to measure it I.	00:25:20
	I don't know what it was. I didn't really look at that.	00:25:21
	The other thing?	00:25:26
	You know, as you guys look at that, you got the green tiles on the sloped part of the roof there.	00:25:27
	A few years ago we had several of those break and our normal roofing vendor, Christensen out of Milwaukee, was able to find us.	00:25:33
	Some more tiles, but they were a little bit different color.	00:25:41
	So what we were asking him to look at today?	00:25:45
	Is.	00:25:48
	Since those tiles will be 40 years old next year already.	00:25:50
	Is it time to look at getting rid of those and maybe just going with green sheet metal?	00:25:54
	On the slope part of that roof there.	00:25:59
	So he was going to check all that out when he was up on the roof this afternoon. Chris, my lead mechanic, went up there with him.	00:26:02
	Show them around up there and take a look at that.	00:26:08
	But we'd be looking for a.	00:26:11
	60 mil roof with a 30 year warranty on it.	00:26:13
	Is what we're going to look for.	00:26:16
	That's fully adhered then or will had to be balanced sitting again.	00:26:20
	It is ballasted currently.	00:26:24
	And we'll see what they come back with for a recommendation. Typically anything they're going to now is fully adhered.	00:26:26
	So we'll see what he.	00:26:35
	Recommends but so we did do that today already to try to get ahead of the game for next year.	00:26:37
	And operations wise?	00:26:45
	We did start the Henry Dodge boilers a few weeks ago. All is going well with those. We had a couple of pieces of equipment,	00:26:48
	solenoid valve and something else that we needed to replace, but.	00:26:54
	Otherwise they started up very well. Things are going well with the heating system up there.	00:26:59
	Don't brag.	00:27:05
	Yeah.	00:27:06
	We did start up J Pod today. That did not go well.	00:27:08
	We have a lot of issues with those two steam boilers there and we did put a service call in today for our boiler.	00:27:12
	Service outfit out of Milwaukee and.	00:27:19
	He doesn't think he's going to be able to get.	00:27:23
	Guy here tomorrow. They had several other calls ahead of us, but if not.	00:27:25
	Will be here Monday and.	00:27:30
	Yes, I know it's going to get below freezing over the weekend, but the building should be.	00:27:32
	Warm enough it's not going to be a problem, but.	00:27:35
	We we do have some issues with the J pod boilers, just not.	00:27:39
	Being able to keep them running.	00:27:43
	So.	00:27:45
	We'll work on that.	00:27:46
	We have an open position for a second shift custodian at the jail. Our most recent hire did not work out for us.	00:27:48
	Problem is, we've only received 2 applicants in the past two weeks that it's been out there.	00:27:57
	We've never.	00:28:01
	Had that issue.	00:28:03
	That we just weren't getting applicants.	00:28:06
	So.	00:28:10
	We'll see what comes in in another week if we don't get anymore.	00:28:11
	In another week's time, the next plan is to repost it as a.	00:28:15
	Day shift position instead of a second shift position.	00:28:21
	And see if that sparks more interest. It's it's not something we want to go to we.	00:28:25
	Think we really need a PM custodian there.	00:28:30
	But if that's all we can get, then that's the way we're going to have to go.	00:28:35
	We currently have one day shift and one.	00:28:41
	2nd shift position there.	00:28:44
	It it's just better to have that second shift position.	00:28:46
	Because things come up on the evenings.	00:28:50
	Also where you do need a custodian in that facility?	00:28:52
	So we'll see how that goes.	00:28:58
	But soon there's a second shift premium for.	00:29:00
	Yes.	00:29:03
	$0.50 correct. Well.	00:29:05
	$0.50 an hour, yes.	00:29:06
	Phil and I in our two leads. We attended the Wisconsin Facilities Managers Conference at Black River Falls a couple weeks ago. We	00:29:12
	had the.	00:29:16
	Pretty good information on some different presentations and stuff that we saw.	00:29:20
	And the leader of our group kind of volunteer.	00:29:24
	Told us that we're.	00:29:28
	The host of the April.	00:29:30
	Conference in 2026. So I guess we are and.	00:29:32
	Ed is going to help us out with that. Clearview is going to cater the meal both days.	00:29:38
	Nice, our first day on Wednesday.	00:29:42
	Not catering it. In that end, we got heaven. There's who you want, you know those things we make that you love so much. That's	00:29:47
	that's what.	00:29:51
	Wednesday, the 1st day we'll be meeting here in the Administration building.	00:29:57
	And they'll, they'll have speakers.	00:30:02
	There's different seminars and stuff that they always line up for that.	00:30:04
	And then Heather will be catering the meal for that.	00:30:09
	And then our Thursday session, we have a couple sessions in the morning, we have lunch and then.	00:30:11
	Usually we're finished by 1:00.	00:30:17
	We're going to do that up at Henry Dodge in the gathering.	00:30:19
	Room up there?	00:30:22
	That way we'll be right there for Heather, but we'll also be able to take a tour because we should only be a couple weeks away	00:30:23
	from finishing up the B wing up there.	00:30:27
	So the group will be able to take a tour of.	00:30:32
	The remodeling that we got going on up there.	00:30:35
	How many people usually attend that?	00:30:38
	Between 25 and 30.	00:30:40
	I talked to Ryan. He's saying you should be able to come in.	00:30:44
	Ryan be talking. Well, sure.	00:30:48
	That'd be good.	00:30:50
	Yeah, you know, we entertain a catalyst that they want to.	00:30:51
	Talked to the group for an hour or so, just talk about the project, how it went, how they dealt with various issues that came up	00:30:55
	and.	00:30:58
	And give them a little plug for the rest of the group also that they can.	00:31:01
	See the work that they did on the project for us and.	00:31:05
	Yeah, should be a good.	00:31:09
	Good thing for Dodge County to host that.	00:31:11
	Are you presenting?	00:31:13
	I can.	00:31:15
	If you'd like me to I can present something. I just curious. I didn't know we usually have some different vendors like some	00:31:18
	mechanical vendors.	00:31:22
	Different. We had one on flooring one time, we've had some on.	00:31:28
	On building envelope.	00:31:34
	Things were, you know.	00:31:36
	How to assess your building from the outside, whether it needs tuck pointing, new Windows, that sort of thing.	00:31:38
	Different equipment vendors like say a Basset mechanical.	00:31:44
	Has done a presentation.	00:31:48
	We actually had a presentation on financing projects done by Samuels Group.	00:31:52
	A couple years ago.	00:31:57
	Automation, yeah.	00:32:03
	No, that's down Rockford.	00:32:05
	All right at at Janesville.	00:32:06
	At Rock County down there.	00:32:09
	We've had security electronics vendors.	00:32:11
	Detention plumbing suppliers have put on presentations.	00:32:16
	Anything that would fit in?	00:32:21
	You know, county government buildings, whether it be a jail or an office building or whatever.	00:32:23
	That that type of stuff.	00:32:28
	OK, sounds like there's plenty of vendors that are willing to.	00:32:30
	Present. So yeah, full itinerary.	00:32:33
	Yes.	00:32:36
	So that'll be in April.	00:32:39
	A few weeks back, the Chamber had a downtown Halloween event where they blocked off the street and they had children's costume	00:32:42
	contest, adult costume contest. They had a DJ.	00:32:47
	They did use the Plaza.	00:32:55
	Worked out very well.	00:32:57
	Had a lot of good reports on that, people really liked it.	00:32:59
	The chamber kind of looked at how they had things set up and they have some ideas of setting things up different for next year,	00:33:03
	how they would do it. But the the Plaza worked out wonderful for that the.	00:33:07
	A lot of kids running around. They had about 100 kids for the costume contest. They're on the Plaza and.	00:33:13
	He's good, good.	00:33:19
	Yeah, you see people sitting out there.	00:33:21
	Eating and reading and doing different thing, you know.	00:33:24
	Doing it.	00:33:26
	And actually we had stopped at the the Legion for brats and a beverage that we went downtown on a Friday night and they were	00:33:28
	telling us that the Legion that.	00:33:32
	The week before they had somebody that had passed away and that they actually went from the Legion over to the Plaza and he did	00:33:38
	some type of memorial thing at the Plaza.	00:33:42
	For this gentleman service member.	00:33:47
	So it is getting used. Getting used, Yep.	00:33:51
	Last couple things we were working on any changes to our service contracts for 2026 like for our garbage contract, we're adding an	00:33:58
	additional pick up for our compactor in the jail.	00:34:03
	On our HVAC service vendor, we're adding some extra service days and.	00:34:09
	That sort of thing.	00:34:15
	And the last thing is we just had training a couple days ago. Trista brought in the representative from govdeals.com.	00:34:17
	They gave a presentation to several different departments here and we're going to.	00:34:26
	Stick some of our surplus items on there, get our feet wet a little bit with eight to 10 items to start with and.	00:34:31
	We'll do a small one to start with, but we do have a lot of.	00:34:38
	Surplus equipment that we do need to sell, surplus furniture, whatever we got that's.	00:34:41
	Just taking up space here so.	00:34:46
	We will be pursuing more of that in the future, so that is.	00:34:48
	Govdeals.com.	00:34:51
	I'll do think then they'll do a better than Wisconsin surplus. Is that the idea? Apparently they think so because they said they	00:34:53
	are more nationwide than.	00:34:58
	Wisconsin Surpluses.	00:35:03
	I don't know, she said. How many?	00:35:05
	Million registered.	00:35:06
	Bidders, they have.	00:35:08
	Yeah, yeah, just several million registered voters or buyers, I mean on.	00:35:11
	On their website and she said that they do get.	00:35:15
	Better, I heard, was gonna be a lot less hassle to them. Wisconsin, it seemed easier.	00:35:19
	Just the way she did the presentation and how you list things and all that, it just seemed easier than what Wisconsin surplus is	00:35:24
	to list things.	00:35:29
	As far as getting your pictures onto the website and and getting your description on the website and.	00:35:33
	It it just seemed like the right way to go.	00:35:41
	Trista had used both of these at Waupun and she said the Gov deals was easier to use.	00:35:45
	For listing surplus equipment.	00:35:50
	So that's why she brought him in here to have a presentation to.	00:35:53
	Various departments here.	00:35:57
	But you have to get rid of a lot of that stuff. So we have room for the master plan. Well, yes, I we need to clean house.	00:36:01
	From there are tours and that there's a lot of stuff sitting around that could be gone, or as Venture Architects calls it, the pre	00:36:08
	dumpster room.	00:36:11
	For Henry Dodge on there.	00:36:18
	You never know.	00:36:20
	So that is all I got for you gentlemen.	00:36:22
	Any questions?	00:36:24
	I was just wondering not.	00:36:25
	The boiler in the JPOD is at the same age as the boilers into Henry Dodge. No, the boilers in J Pod are probably only 110.	00:36:27
	Yeah, I would thought like around 16.	00:36:37
	I would say they're like 10 years old, so they're not that old and you got that many issues with them, no.	00:36:42
	But.	00:36:47
	When Johnson Controls engineered that, that was part of a energy efficiency, what they call the EEC.	00:36:47
	BG Energy efficiency community block grant.	00:36:54
	And Johnson Controls engineered that and I don't.	00:36:59
	Think that they engineered it quite right and we.	00:37:02
	We've had some issues with those boilers over the years.	00:37:06
	And I think it has more to do with the way they're piped in and installed with the.	00:37:08
	Exhaust from the boilers and anything else.	00:37:14
	They're just set up.	00:37:18
	Cheaply well.	00:37:19
	The problem is the piping in the building.	00:37:21
	Is so big.	00:37:24
	That.	00:37:26
	Comparative capacity of the boiler.	00:37:27
	So if you get a slug out there and also you push the condensate, it sucks all the steam right out of the boiling.	00:37:29
	OK.	00:37:37
	So yes, it has had some.	00:37:39
	Challenges since we've had those in there.	00:37:42
	I don't think it's the boilers themselves, I think it's the way it was designed to be installed. There were Johnson controlled one	00:37:44
	more time.	00:37:49
	Yes, they they were the EECBG contractor that.	00:37:54
	That's when we did.	00:37:59
	Whole bunch of different energy efficiency.	00:38:03
	Things that there was a lighting in some buildings with high efficiency ballasts and some other stuff with that.	00:38:05
	But uh.	00:38:12
	And those boilers control.	00:38:14
	Do the Sheriff's Department tools? That's hot water, OK?	00:38:16
	Those are just small hot water units.	00:38:21
	The three in the Sheriff's Office. Each one is about the size of a dishwasher.	00:38:24
	Because there was something tied together between them and I.	00:38:29
	Of your own.	00:38:33
	So the oldest portion of jpod is all steam.	00:38:35
	The newer portion.	00:38:40
	Is.	00:38:42
	Hot water.	00:38:45
	It sends the steam down to a converter on that end of the building and converts it from hot water through a heat exchanger.	00:38:46
	Or, you know, from steam into hot water through a heat exchanger.	00:38:52
	So the idea in the master plan is to.	00:38:56
	Get rid of J Pod 2. Knock it down.	00:39:00
	We hope so.	00:39:04
	All it takes is money.	00:39:05
	Only money we're talking about.	00:39:09
	There's no no opportunity to just.	00:39:13
	Winterize the thing and shut the boilers down then.	00:39:16
	I would like to but the sheriff uses it all winter.	00:39:19
	Oh, that's right. Use it for get the ammo. He brings the Swans in indoors four or five and six and thaws them out and, and	00:39:22
	sometimes they hose them off or whatever, you know, so they they are using water in that building. Now I have to escape me.	00:39:28
	And the SWAT room is there also, yes.	00:39:37
	So.	00:39:43
	If they were not using the garage up a little bit.	00:39:44
	So that's my report.	00:39:47
	Very good, John.	00:39:52
	No more questions.	00:39:53
	As far as the future agenda items would probably have the master plan update next next month.	00:39:56
	And then whatever you feel.	00:40:01
	Necessary.	00:40:05
	OK.	00:40:06
	Motion to adjourn next meeting, N6.	00:40:10
	November 6th.	00:40:14
	You mean December?	00:40:16
	I didn't have my sheet done so I don't know what. December, December 4th? December 4th?	00:40:18
	4th That's a Thursday, correct?	00:40:23
	I yeah it is.	00:40:28
	All right.	00:40:30
	At 4:00, make a motion. Adjourned.	00:40:33
	I'll second that. OK, all in favor, aye, very good.	00:40:36

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	Roll call has been taken.	00:00:02
	And I see no public comment.	00:00:04
	So we need approval of the minutes from October 2nd.	00:00:08
	So moved.	00:00:13
	And I'll second that.	00:00:14
	OK, all in favor.	00:00:15
	Say aye, aye.	00:00:16
	OK, here we go.	00:00:18
	John.	00:00:21
	OK, the master plan.	00:00:22
	Cameron and I will be meeting with Venture Architects next week Friday. They're gonna.	00:00:25
	Present the some preliminary information on that and I'm guessing.	00:00:31
	We'll probably have to steer in which direction we want to go with that, but.	00:00:36
	We will have a meeting with them next Friday on some preliminary stuff.	00:00:40
	I have.	00:00:45
	Received some questions lately on the timeline and why it's kind of delayed but.	00:00:46
	Realistically, in their proposal that they originally presented to the county, it was a 5 month.	00:00:52
	Plan and.	00:00:58
	You know this got rejected in February, then finally approved in March.	00:01:00
	It was April 25th before the contract actually got signed where they could hammer out the contract language.	00:01:06
	And then we really had our first meeting with Venture and the department heads on May 30th.	00:01:12
	So if you do June, July, August, December, October.	00:01:19
	You're only a couple months.	00:01:22
	For a couple weeks past that five month.	00:01:24
	Window that they were talking about to get it done.	00:01:28
	And they are fairly close. They did come back a couple times in October.	00:01:31
	To ask about some last minute questions and and just trying to fit all the pieces of the puzzle into our floor plan.	00:01:37
	So I think just taking that extra few weeks is a good thing, I think.	00:01:46
	You know that.	00:01:50
	They want to make sure that we got a good product, that we're getting what we want.	00:01:51
	And I I know it would have been ideal to have this finished before the budget discussion.	00:01:55
	But it.	00:02:01
	Just didn't workout that way.	00:02:02
	So that's where we're at on the master plan.	00:02:05
	Such as life.	00:02:08
	Very much.	00:02:12
	Any questions on any? Are you happy with the?	00:02:14
	With the way it's gone, yes, I'm very happy with the the work that they've done, I think the touring that we did.	00:02:17
	Their meetings with department heads, I think that all went very well.	00:02:24
	And I'm looking forward to really seeing what they're going to give us for finished product.	00:02:28
	It seemed like they were very thorough for many indicators or discussions that you know.	00:02:33
	Pad. I guess it.	00:02:38
	They've worked with a lot of my fellow maintenance directors around the state and they've all been happy with their services and.	00:02:39
	So I'm looking forward to seeing what.	00:02:48
	They got for.	00:02:50
	Sure. Good, good. And you're saying next week you intend to meet with them and.	00:02:51
	Cameron And yes, we have a meeting scheduled for next week Friday on the 14th.	00:02:57
	Just to kind of tie up any loose ends or yes.	00:03:01
	So you should see something.	00:03:06
	I would hope they'd have something for.	00:03:08
	Our December building committee meeting.	00:03:10
	OK, so.	00:03:13
	Nice, that's what I got on the master plan.	00:03:17
	OK, very good.	00:03:20
	Clearview project.	00:03:24
	The Clearview project is moving along.	00:03:26
	The tentative move date for the residents that we move to phase.	00:03:29
	Moving over to phase one once it's completed is January 19th.	00:03:33
	Talking with John, what we'd like to do is.	00:03:39
	It should be more or less.	00:03:42
	You should be able to see 98% of it.	00:03:44
	Come January meeting time, so we're thinking of doing a joint meeting, we'll have it over a Clearview and then you can see what	00:03:46
	everything looks like before anybody moves in.	00:03:50
	Be able to talk about, you know, some of the features of the finished product.	00:03:55
	As far as the project goes.	00:03:59
	You know, just a usual construction stuff going on. Some contractors asking for ads that are in their contracts so they're not	00:04:02
	entitled to them, others asking for ads for stuff that was missed and.	00:04:07
	They've been allowed so the contingency budget on it.	00:04:12
	Is it's 500,000.	00:04:15
	You know, some of the contingency items they've asked for cover both sides of the project. So right now.	00:04:18
	The approved.	00:04:23
	Changes change orders have been 200,000.	00:04:25
	So, you know, the biggest of which was.	00:04:28
	The non anti ligature plumbing fixtures were missed.	00:04:32
	On the plan so.	00:04:36
	But what the architect, they're going to pay for the because it's something we would have had to pay for anyways. So they're	00:04:39
	paying for the markup on all the.	00:04:43
	On all the fixtures.	00:04:47
	So they're absorbing that cost because it was a miss on their part. So the rest would be something we'd be paying for anyways, so.	00:04:48
	There's that.	00:04:56
	And then there's been a disagreement with the fire alarm company and the electrician and electric the electrician.	00:04:58
	Who bid on it? It's in their bid packet that the fire.	00:05:04
	Controls are in there.	00:05:07
	And it was actually specifically called out an addendum.	00:05:09
	During bidding and they signed it, they acknowledged it so.	00:05:12
	They're trying to get us to pay the fire contractor, but it's in their contract that very they contract with them. So again, it's	00:05:17
	just kind of a back and forth stuff that goes on. But Indigenous season changes. But like I said, it's just, you know, normal	00:05:23
	stuff that goes on with any building project. You know, when the county does their master plan, you're going to.	00:05:29
	You know, if you spend $250 million doing the building.	00:05:35
	I'm gonna need a two and a half million dollar contingency or.	00:05:39
	Whatever.	00:05:41
	However much you approve.	00:05:43
	So.	00:05:44
	The state is coming in for Bill.	00:05:47
	The state will come through on the 15th of January.	00:05:51
	To approve occupancy so.	00:05:53
	It'll be the the state engineer will be coming through looking at everything and then also the.	00:05:55
	That department health services will be coming through to make sure that we have everything set up to, you know, to accommodate to	00:06:00
	residents and treat them once it opens so.	00:06:04
	Like I said, it's on track, so the 19th, which is about where I guessed we'd be.	00:06:09
	You know, late fall, early winter is what I was predicting to be done, and that's right around where they are, so.	00:06:14
	Good. Again, Catalyst has been great to work with. We're very pleased with the services they've been providing. They keep us aware	00:06:20
	of everything. They're real good at working with the staff so.	00:06:25
	Yeah, it's been a good project so far.	00:06:30
	And then talk about the tornado.	00:06:34
	Sure, like to check stuff and I'm right here so.	00:06:36
	Yeah, they have all the drywalling and knocked down done inside the.	00:06:40
	The group home.	00:06:46
	You toured that last time we were out there.	00:06:47
	Well, as funny as they we.	00:06:50
	We added a wall so because it was a 2 bedroom we changed it into a 21 bedrooms.	00:06:52
	And when they're cutting the hole in the stone.	00:06:57
	To put in the new window.	00:07:00
	They noticed that all the stone was pulling off of the building that what had happened.	00:07:02
	Because the roof, you know, the building kind of shifted during the tornado. When they shifted it back, you didn't notice that it	00:07:06
	shifted away from the.	00:07:11
	There weren't any wall ties in there, or yeah, they were, but it pulled away from old wall ties, so.	00:07:18
	So they have to replace. They're going to be the stones are there and they're gonna, you know.	00:07:25
	Fix it but.	00:07:28
	That was part of it.	00:07:30
	You know the solar panels have all been replaced.	00:07:32
	We're looking at middle of December to move into.	00:07:35
	Back into trail vehicle, you know we're going to look at doing something nice for the residents when they move back in. You know	00:07:38
	me like a tree lighting ceremony or something right before Christmas.	00:07:42
	The garages, they were supposed to be delivering the materials Friday and it looks like they got pushed back to next week.	00:07:49
	And then Morton is going to come in and start.	00:07:54
	Reconstructing them so.	00:07:57
	Hopefully before the snow flies, we'll be able to put.	00:07:59
	Things back in there.	00:08:01
	Good. And then the.	00:08:02
	The parking lot lights.	00:08:04
	Those are supposed to be delivered.	00:08:07
	August. Then they got delayed and delayed, delayed and.	00:08:08
	Supposedly they're coming in November and then that pretty well.	00:08:11
	Wraps up everything we they're preparing some holes on AB building where the rooftop units got shifted during the tornado.	00:08:15
	And then it got placed back. We've been having some roof leaks there. So they're going to be repairing nose, but.	00:08:21
	Other than that, they're just.	00:08:26
	Just wrapping up, I mean, considering all the damage we had.	00:08:27
	On May 15th, I mean.	00:08:31
	Yeah, I I've been, I've been very satisfied with them. I mean, they had we.	00:08:33
	Been doing the contacting ourselves.	00:08:38
	I think we're still be cleaning up debris, much less wrapping up the project. So I I.	00:08:40
	I've been very. I don't know you.	00:08:46
	What did you think of Paul Davis? I've been pretty impressed with them so far. Issue with them?	00:08:47
	Yeah, so.	00:08:51
	Yeah, so.	00:08:52
	Yep, that's what they do. So that's what they do.	00:08:54
	The reflex were pretty minor that you found.	00:08:57
	Well, or not.	00:09:01
	In the middle section where the skylight or that the skylights the.	00:09:02
	Solar panels were.	00:09:09
	Those were pretty bad. They had a lot of damage up there, but they they repaired quite a bit of that roof because it leaked in a	00:09:10
	lot of the insulation had to be replaced.	00:09:14
	But they cut all that up and then replaced everything. They've taken all the ballast off so they could find all the leaks and.	00:09:18
	And they put it all back.	00:09:24
	But, you know, and they've been, you know, they keep us updated.	00:09:26
	You know they run in the same stuff we do, supply chain issues and you know they.	00:09:28
	Let us know when things are happening and they communicate with the staff so.	00:09:33
	Yeah, I guess I don't.	00:09:37
	Best of a bad situation SO.	00:09:38
	So I think for that last one, they're just going to cut out a big square and just patch in a new piece of material, correct.	00:09:40
	That's what I'm under. That's my understanding is that's what Tonya told me also. So.	00:09:45
	Yeah, OK.	00:09:50
	I think that's the last leak in the.	00:09:51
	A wing, right?	00:09:53
	Here's hoping.	00:09:55
	You know, issue we have, you know, it's getting to be a 20 year old roof and.	00:09:59
	When it was initially put on, the ballots they put on wasn't Riverstone. It's a little more jagged so.	00:10:03
	That's that concern that's going to.	00:10:08
	Prematurely aged the roof because you know they got those sharp edges pushing down South.	00:10:10
	Won't be a big deal if there isn't a lot of.	00:10:15
	Foot traffic and things out. And of course when the tornado would.	00:10:17
	Debris and stuff bounced around. Bigger problem had tornadoes. The neighbors roof trust is flying.	00:10:21
	But OK.	00:10:28
	Yeah, so that's all I got.	00:10:30
	The only QR damage I had was kW was out today and they did pour the base for the light pole that was damaged up at the Henry Dodge	00:10:33
	building and they will be putting the pole up next week Wednesday so.	00:10:39
	They're all today.	00:10:46
	That base.	00:10:47
	So OK.	00:10:48
	That is the last item that I need fixed other than those air conditioner coils.	00:10:50
	That will be fixed.	00:10:55
	End of January or?	00:10:57
	And in December, beginning of January.	00:10:58
	OK. You said them coils are covered under insurance. Yes, good.	00:11:00
	Yeah.	00:11:04
	So that's it for tornado damage?	00:11:07
	Good.	00:11:09
	Good. All right.	00:11:11
	The budget update.	00:11:13
	Budget, we're pretty much on track for 2025. I don't really see too many issues there.	00:11:15
	Just one thing I wanted to bring up is we did get an unexpected.	00:11:23
	Check from Johnson Controls for $17,000.	00:11:28
	They were apparently, they must have went back and did some auditing of their books and their reports and everything, and	00:11:33
	apparently we overpaid them.	00:11:37
	14,000 something from back in 2021.	00:11:43
	Wow.	00:11:47
	It was. It was some COVID projects when we put the ionization units in all the air handlers in all of our buildings.	00:11:51
	And then there was 2000 some dollars back from 2016 that they say we overpaid on something or they calculated the invoice wrong	00:11:58
	or?	00:12:03
	But I don't think we we paid more than what?	00:12:08
	The invoice was they did.	00:12:10
	The wrong calculations on their end.	00:12:13
	That's nice. Well, that's decent. I'm gonna be honest, that's sort of unheard of, isn't it? So we did get a $17,000 and some	00:12:17
	change refund check.	00:12:21
	Good. And that was deposited into.	00:12:26
	Five different building accounts for us.	00:12:31
	Split between the five buildings where we did the work, so.	00:12:34
	So that helps out with my.	00:12:39
	Budget a little bit for this year, yeah. Puts a smile on your face. Yeah, it did.	00:12:41
	So that is our budget update.	00:12:46
	On our building repairs and improvements.	00:12:51
	The east parking lot of Henry Dodge has finally been fixed now.	00:12:54
	They did mill out a lot of.	00:12:57
	Sections of blacktop a lot more than what we anticipated.	00:13:00
	But once they really got to looking at it and doing it, yeah, more of it has come out.	00:13:04
	Not sure what the cost is going to be on that, but it does look a lot.	00:13:09
	Nicer. And we did get a lot rid of a lot of trip hazards out there in the parking lot.	00:13:14
	And a lot of big.	00:13:19
	Chuck holes that people were driving through so.	00:13:20
	The West lot they did not get to yet. I did talk to Steve Pet yesterday and it sounds like they're just going to do some some	00:13:23
	crack filling in a little bit of.	00:13:27
	Patching for this fall yet over there that was not as bad as the east side of the lot. OK.	00:13:32
	So we should be in good shape for the winter on both of those lots over there.	00:13:40
	Do they do a seal coat when they're done with that or then no?	00:13:46
	As far as it really should be, it should be totally ground up and redone. It's it's beyond seal coating. But without knowing the	00:13:50
	future of that building.	00:13:55
	So we're almost to the point where we should be looking at.	00:14:02
	Whether we're going to do a seal coat in our admin parking lot and our justice facility parking lot.	00:14:04
	Could you do that next year? Let us know because we're planning to.	00:14:12
	I I did talk. I'll get to that in a minute, though. I did have a building envelope engineer here today and they also do parking	00:14:15
	lots. That's their business as buildings and parking lots.	00:14:21
	For the engineering work and he would be happy to.	00:14:27
	Look at our lots and give us a recommendation on what they think should be done with them also.	00:14:32
	So.	00:14:39
	Good. We did have a kind of a major hot water leak at Henry Dodge what week and a half ago?	00:14:40
	Kind of turned into about four people being here till about 7:00 at night. That was on the bad pictures that we showed you last	00:14:50
	week when we actually got around to trying to fix it.	00:14:55
	Everything just broke and the shut offs in the building didn't hold and.	00:15:01
	We did try freezing the pipes, that slowed the water down some, but Phil did have to drain all the hot water out of the building	00:15:06
	so we could actually take all the pressure off it to repair these leaks.	00:15:12
	And I don't think that this is going to be the last time we're going to be doing that this winter.	00:15:19
	What was the leak caused by?	00:15:26
	Deteriorated piping or yeah.	00:15:28
	Yeah, Yep. When?	00:15:32
	They had soaked it with penetrating fluid for a couple of weeks and they thought it was going to break loose and.	00:15:34
	Well, it broke it loose, right?	00:15:40
	And we're supposed to so.	00:15:44
	Unfortunately, it is what it is.	00:15:48
	We'll just deal with them one at a time as they come.	00:15:53
	Do any?	00:15:57
	PR to try to get the valves working so you can isolate things a little bit.	00:15:57
	About all the same shape from what we did that night. We put in two valves.	00:16:02
	And got the water stopped.	00:16:07
	So we could refill it and get the borders fired up again.	00:16:09
	But as far as the big isolation valves that the seats are pretty well.	00:16:13
	Just gone.	00:16:17
	Last month we talked a little bit.	00:16:23
	About the 400 ton York air conditioner on the jail roof and.	00:16:24
	The issues with the compressors.	00:16:29
	We still have not gotten any satisfactory response from Johnson Controls. We're still pursuing this under warranty.	00:16:31
	And we've asked numerous times.	00:16:40
	To have them provide a contact for us in their warranty department to discuss this.	00:16:42
	And they will not give us a name or e-mail or a phone number or.	00:16:50
	Anything so we're.	00:16:55
	Pursuing that, I'm working with Kim on that and we're going to see if we can get them to cover that because it is.	00:16:57
	A total of $12,000 under.	00:17:02
	But we.	00:17:05
	Believe should be warranty work.	00:17:06
	So they're disputing those warranty workers, yes.	00:17:09
	They are on what grounds? Because.	00:17:13
	Well.	00:17:15
	The compressors.	00:17:16
	Have a 66 month parts and labor warranty.	00:17:18
	And.	00:17:23
	The piping is connected to the compressor and you have to take the top of the compressor off to get to the gasket that's leaking.	00:17:24
	On the pipe.	00:17:33
	But they said it's not in the compressor so they're not covering it.	00:17:35
	But you do have to take part of it apart to change the gasket.	00:17:39
	So we are disputing that it is.	00:17:45
	Compressor related.	00:17:48
	And it should be covered.	00:17:50
	So.	00:17:55
	We will keep working on that and I will.	00:17:57
	Keep you guys up to date on that one.	00:17:59
	Daniel Dem units run in winter to get moisture out of the air.	00:18:02
	Or no.	00:18:05
	We've had them run as late as like early December. You know if you get a 60° day or something in December that it will hit its	00:18:07
	threshold where it does turn on and the air handlers will flop over to cooling instead of heating.	00:18:13
	But.	00:18:19
	That's kind of rare, but it has happened in December. But otherwise they they are just sitting up there for the winter.	00:18:21
	Then they usually don't come on till like April then.	00:18:27
	Yeah, sometimes you might get a warm day in late March or something, but it's usually mid-april before that.	00:18:30
	Start running consistently.	00:18:35
	So.	00:18:38
	I said we'll keep plugging away at it and I'll keep you guys.	00:18:40
	Informed what's going on?	00:18:43
	Good.	00:18:45
	We did. I believe Kim signed the contract today for the Clerk of Courts carpeting.	00:18:48
	That's just over $30,000.	00:18:56
	Unfortunately, our.	00:18:59
	Normal vendor that we've been using for several years.	00:19:01
	They came in 193 dollars.	00:19:05
	Too high.	00:19:08
	Above the low bid so.	00:19:09
	Unfortunate for them.	00:19:11
	But.	00:19:13
	Public bidding, that's what we do.	00:19:15
	The issue I'm having though is.	00:19:18
	The.	00:19:20
	Cubicles, we wanted to have that disassembled and reassembled by a vendor because we just really don't have that much time to do	00:19:22
	that.	00:19:26
	The bid came back at $18,800.	00:19:30
	Jesus. And I did contact another vendor in Madison.	00:19:34
	Made three different phone calls, talked to him several times on the phone. Yeah, we'll, we'll get back to you. We'll give you a	00:19:40
	price. We're going to come out and look.	00:19:43
	And yeah, nothing.	00:19:46
	So I do have another one that is on the state of Wisconsin furniture moving contract and they will be out tomorrow to take a look	00:19:49
	at it to get us a second price on this because I just.	00:19:54
	Can't believe that.	00:19:59
	That's worth 18,800 to disassemble the cubicles and reassemble them.	00:20:01
	That's a lot of money.	00:20:06
	I was guessing 7 to 8. That was my.	00:20:08
	Dollar amount that I had in the budget for this project.	00:20:11
	I think 18 is way out of line, but we'll see once we get a second quote.	00:20:15
	You have an idea how long?	00:20:20
	We'll take them to take them cubicles down and put them up.	00:20:22
	There's a 80 hours or you don't. I wouldn't even.	00:20:25
	Not even that I know.	00:20:28
	So we will.	00:20:31
	Work on that, we'll see what we get for a second bid on the.	00:20:33
	Cubicle work.	00:20:36
	Back to the carpets.	00:20:38
	Was the low bid considered responsible bidder?	00:20:40
	Yes.	00:20:43
	The low bidder was actually one that is on the State of Wisconsin contract, our normal vendor that we use out of Fond du Lac that	00:20:44
	actually did the building originally.	00:20:49
	They are not on the State of Wisconsin contract, but they've always.	00:20:54
	Been here and done a good job. Yes, and they have they've they've stood behind their work very well over the years. Even 5-6 years	00:20:59
	down the road they've come back and fixed it for free.	00:21:03
	But the outfit that got it was out of Janesville and they are on the state of Wisconsin.	00:21:10
	Flooring contract.	00:21:18
	Because yeah, so.	00:21:19
	I just thought they perhaps weren't.	00:21:22
	Considered responsible you could, you know.	00:21:24
	Give it to the people that you're comfortable working with anyway.	00:21:27
	We, we really read through it and I sat down with Kim and Trista and we went through the the bids and that and there was there was	00:21:30
	no reason to not award it to them.	00:21:34
	So that's the way it goes I guess.	00:21:42
	Yeah.	00:21:45
	We in the jail, all the locks and the sliding doors and everything run off compressed air.	00:21:47
	And there is a.	00:21:54
	Very large.	00:21:56
	Compressor up there with two.	00:21:58
	2 compressors, 2 big tanks.	00:22:02
	Each one has a compressor head on it and they alternate. This one will run.	00:22:03
	Shuts down. Next time this one runs, shuts down.	00:22:07
	So you have a redundant system.	00:22:10
	One of the compressors blew a head out.	00:22:13
	On it.	00:22:15
	And.	00:22:16
	These are original. They're 25 years old. All we've had to do with them over the years is just change oil. They've always been in	00:22:19
	very good shape, but this one just.	00:22:22
	Experienced a massive failure.	00:22:26
	We did have a vendor bid on it.	00:22:29
	To have them come in and fix it.	00:22:33
	It would have been a little faster than our guys fixing it, but it would have been like an additional $3000.	00:22:35
	So we decided to order the parts ourselves and we did replace the.	00:22:41
	Both compressors.	00:22:45
	So we figured, well, if one failed, you don't know how much life the other one has in it yet.	00:22:46
	So we were able to replace both compressors for just over $5000.	00:22:51
	And we did all the work ourselves. The only thing was it was going to take a little longer.	00:22:57
	And.	00:23:01
	If the other one would have failed.	00:23:02
	What do we do now? Because now none of the locks in the jail are working, so the guys rigged up.	00:23:04
	They had a portable compressor.	00:23:10
	Sitting next to it all ready to go in the proper pipe fittings and everything ready to go. So if we would have dumped the other	00:23:12
	one out in the meantime before we got the parts in, we would have been able to.	00:23:17
	Change over to that so we would have.	00:23:23
	Portable backup in there.	00:23:25
	That we wouldn't have been totally out of luck.	00:23:27
	So we thought it was worth the time to do that and then just do it ourselves and save that money.	00:23:30
	Redundancy there.	00:23:36
	Yeah, it was like gear Dr. compressors or.	00:23:38
	Piston ones.	00:23:42
	It's a piston.	00:23:43
	Mr. It's just a great big freestanding Quincy.	00:23:44
	Oh standard air compressed yeah takes about this tall on it with a big.	00:23:48
	Was like A5 horse motor on it I think Phil.	00:23:55
	OK, actually for the seven and a half, 7 1/2.	00:23:59
	So yeah, that is all fixed and that money came out of jail improvement fund.	00:24:05
	It was like 5018 dollars.	00:24:09
	So.	00:24:13
	Jail should be good for another 25 years on their compressed air system.	00:24:15
	And I said we did have an engineer out this afternoon to look at the Sheriff's Department roof.	00:24:21
	That is in the CIP.	00:24:25
	For next year.	00:24:27
	So we had an engineer come out and look at it. They're going to give us a ballpark price on the engineering for it.	00:24:30
	And if that comes in at the right dollar amount, then I am.	00:24:37
	Able to hire that.	00:24:41
	Without putting that out forbid.	00:24:43
	As a professional service.	00:24:45
	And then that money will be available right after the first of the year.	00:24:48
	And they said they they would actually do the engineering on it already in December if we.	00:24:52
	Went with them and they would just not bill us till January. That way we could get it out for bids right away in the beginning of	00:24:57
	January.	00:25:00
	You know.	00:25:04
	Vendors are looking for work for the year already and sooner we get it all forbid the better price we're going to get.	00:25:05
	So that's where we're at with that.	00:25:13
	How many square feet was that again?	00:25:17
	He was going to measure it I.	00:25:20
	I don't know what it was. I didn't really look at that.	00:25:21
	The other thing?	00:25:26
	You know, as you guys look at that, you got the green tiles on the sloped part of the roof there.	00:25:27
	A few years ago we had several of those break and our normal roofing vendor, Christensen out of Milwaukee, was able to find us.	00:25:33
	Some more tiles, but they were a little bit different color.	00:25:41
	So what we were asking him to look at today?	00:25:45
	Is.	00:25:48
	Since those tiles will be 40 years old next year already.	00:25:50
	Is it time to look at getting rid of those and maybe just going with green sheet metal?	00:25:54
	On the slope part of that roof there.	00:25:59
	So he was going to check all that out when he was up on the roof this afternoon. Chris, my lead mechanic, went up there with him.	00:26:02
	Show them around up there and take a look at that.	00:26:08
	But we'd be looking for a.	00:26:11
	60 mil roof with a 30 year warranty on it.	00:26:13
	Is what we're going to look for.	00:26:16
	That's fully adhered then or will had to be balanced sitting again.	00:26:20
	It is ballasted currently.	00:26:24
	And we'll see what they come back with for a recommendation. Typically anything they're going to now is fully adhered.	00:26:26
	So we'll see what he.	00:26:35
	Recommends but so we did do that today already to try to get ahead of the game for next year.	00:26:37
	And operations wise?	00:26:45
	We did start the Henry Dodge boilers a few weeks ago. All is going well with those. We had a couple of pieces of equipment,	00:26:48
	solenoid valve and something else that we needed to replace, but.	00:26:54
	Otherwise they started up very well. Things are going well with the heating system up there.	00:26:59
	Don't brag.	00:27:05
	Yeah.	00:27:06
	We did start up J Pod today. That did not go well.	00:27:08
	We have a lot of issues with those two steam boilers there and we did put a service call in today for our boiler.	00:27:12
	Service outfit out of Milwaukee and.	00:27:19
	He doesn't think he's going to be able to get.	00:27:23
	Guy here tomorrow. They had several other calls ahead of us, but if not.	00:27:25
	Will be here Monday and.	00:27:30
	Yes, I know it's going to get below freezing over the weekend, but the building should be.	00:27:32
	Warm enough it's not going to be a problem, but.	00:27:35
	We we do have some issues with the J pod boilers, just not.	00:27:39
	Being able to keep them running.	00:27:43
	So.	00:27:45
	We'll work on that.	00:27:46
	We have an open position for a second shift custodian at the jail. Our most recent hire did not work out for us.	00:27:48
	Problem is, we've only received 2 applicants in the past two weeks that it's been out there.	00:27:57
	We've never.	00:28:01
	Had that issue.	00:28:03
	That we just weren't getting applicants.	00:28:06
	So.	00:28:10
	We'll see what comes in in another week if we don't get anymore.	00:28:11
	In another week's time, the next plan is to repost it as a.	00:28:15
	Day shift position instead of a second shift position.	00:28:21
	And see if that sparks more interest. It's it's not something we want to go to we.	00:28:25
	Think we really need a PM custodian there.	00:28:30
	But if that's all we can get, then that's the way we're going to have to go.	00:28:35
	We currently have one day shift and one.	00:28:41
	2nd shift position there.	00:28:44
	It it's just better to have that second shift position.	00:28:46
	Because things come up on the evenings.	00:28:50
	Also where you do need a custodian in that facility?	00:28:52
	So we'll see how that goes.	00:28:58
	But soon there's a second shift premium for.	00:29:00
	Yes.	00:29:03
	$0.50 correct. Well.	00:29:05
	$0.50 an hour, yes.	00:29:06
	Phil and I in our two leads. We attended the Wisconsin Facilities Managers Conference at Black River Falls a couple weeks ago. We	00:29:12
	had the.	00:29:16
	Pretty good information on some different presentations and stuff that we saw.	00:29:20
	And the leader of our group kind of volunteer.	00:29:24
	Told us that we're.	00:29:28
	The host of the April.	00:29:30
	Conference in 2026. So I guess we are and.	00:29:32
	Ed is going to help us out with that. Clearview is going to cater the meal both days.	00:29:38
	Nice, our first day on Wednesday.	00:29:42
	Not catering it. In that end, we got heaven. There's who you want, you know those things we make that you love so much. That's	00:29:47
	that's what.	00:29:51
	Wednesday, the 1st day we'll be meeting here in the Administration building.	00:29:57
	And they'll, they'll have speakers.	00:30:02
	There's different seminars and stuff that they always line up for that.	00:30:04
	And then Heather will be catering the meal for that.	00:30:09
	And then our Thursday session, we have a couple sessions in the morning, we have lunch and then.	00:30:11
	Usually we're finished by 1:00.	00:30:17
	We're going to do that up at Henry Dodge in the gathering.	00:30:19
	Room up there?	00:30:22
	That way we'll be right there for Heather, but we'll also be able to take a tour because we should only be a couple weeks away	00:30:23
	from finishing up the B wing up there.	00:30:27
	So the group will be able to take a tour of.	00:30:32
	The remodeling that we got going on up there.	00:30:35
	How many people usually attend that?	00:30:38
	Between 25 and 30.	00:30:40
	I talked to Ryan. He's saying you should be able to come in.	00:30:44
	Ryan be talking. Well, sure.	00:30:48
	That'd be good.	00:30:50
	Yeah, you know, we entertain a catalyst that they want to.	00:30:51
	Talked to the group for an hour or so, just talk about the project, how it went, how they dealt with various issues that came up	00:30:55
	and.	00:30:58
	And give them a little plug for the rest of the group also that they can.	00:31:01
	See the work that they did on the project for us and.	00:31:05
	Yeah, should be a good.	00:31:09
	Good thing for Dodge County to host that.	00:31:11
	Are you presenting?	00:31:13
	I can.	00:31:15
	If you'd like me to I can present something. I just curious. I didn't know we usually have some different vendors like some	00:31:18
	mechanical vendors.	00:31:22
	Different. We had one on flooring one time, we've had some on.	00:31:28
	On building envelope.	00:31:34
	Things were, you know.	00:31:36
	How to assess your building from the outside, whether it needs tuck pointing, new Windows, that sort of thing.	00:31:38
	Different equipment vendors like say a Basset mechanical.	00:31:44
	Has done a presentation.	00:31:48
	We actually had a presentation on financing projects done by Samuels Group.	00:31:52
	A couple years ago.	00:31:57
	Automation, yeah.	00:32:03
	No, that's down Rockford.	00:32:05
	All right at at Janesville.	00:32:06
	At Rock County down there.	00:32:09
	We've had security electronics vendors.	00:32:11
	Detention plumbing suppliers have put on presentations.	00:32:16
	Anything that would fit in?	00:32:21
	You know, county government buildings, whether it be a jail or an office building or whatever.	00:32:23
	That that type of stuff.	00:32:28
	OK, sounds like there's plenty of vendors that are willing to.	00:32:30
	Present. So yeah, full itinerary.	00:32:33
	Yes.	00:32:36
	So that'll be in April.	00:32:39
	A few weeks back, the Chamber had a downtown Halloween event where they blocked off the street and they had children's costume	00:32:42
	contest, adult costume contest. They had a DJ.	00:32:47
	They did use the Plaza.	00:32:55
	Worked out very well.	00:32:57
	Had a lot of good reports on that, people really liked it.	00:32:59
	The chamber kind of looked at how they had things set up and they have some ideas of setting things up different for next year,	00:33:03
	how they would do it. But the the Plaza worked out wonderful for that the.	00:33:07
	A lot of kids running around. They had about 100 kids for the costume contest. They're on the Plaza and.	00:33:13
	He's good, good.	00:33:19
	Yeah, you see people sitting out there.	00:33:21
	Eating and reading and doing different thing, you know.	00:33:24
	Doing it.	00:33:26
	And actually we had stopped at the the Legion for brats and a beverage that we went downtown on a Friday night and they were	00:33:28
	telling us that the Legion that.	00:33:32
	The week before they had somebody that had passed away and that they actually went from the Legion over to the Plaza and he did	00:33:38
	some type of memorial thing at the Plaza.	00:33:42
	For this gentleman service member.	00:33:47
	So it is getting used. Getting used, Yep.	00:33:51
	Last couple things we were working on any changes to our service contracts for 2026 like for our garbage contract, we're adding an	00:33:58
	additional pick up for our compactor in the jail.	00:34:03
	On our HVAC service vendor, we're adding some extra service days and.	00:34:09
	That sort of thing.	00:34:15
	And the last thing is we just had training a couple days ago. Trista brought in the representative from govdeals.com.	00:34:17
	They gave a presentation to several different departments here and we're going to.	00:34:26
	Stick some of our surplus items on there, get our feet wet a little bit with eight to 10 items to start with and.	00:34:31
	We'll do a small one to start with, but we do have a lot of.	00:34:38
	Surplus equipment that we do need to sell, surplus furniture, whatever we got that's.	00:34:41
	Just taking up space here so.	00:34:46
	We will be pursuing more of that in the future, so that is.	00:34:48
	Govdeals.com.	00:34:51
	I'll do think then they'll do a better than Wisconsin surplus. Is that the idea? Apparently they think so because they said they	00:34:53
	are more nationwide than.	00:34:58
	Wisconsin Surpluses.	00:35:03
	I don't know, she said. How many?	00:35:05
	Million registered.	00:35:06
	Bidders, they have.	00:35:08
	Yeah, yeah, just several million registered voters or buyers, I mean on.	00:35:11
	On their website and she said that they do get.	00:35:15
	Better, I heard, was gonna be a lot less hassle to them. Wisconsin, it seemed easier.	00:35:19
	Just the way she did the presentation and how you list things and all that, it just seemed easier than what Wisconsin surplus is	00:35:24
	to list things.	00:35:29
	As far as getting your pictures onto the website and and getting your description on the website and.	00:35:33
	It it just seemed like the right way to go.	00:35:41
	Trista had used both of these at Waupun and she said the Gov deals was easier to use.	00:35:45
	For listing surplus equipment.	00:35:50
	So that's why she brought him in here to have a presentation to.	00:35:53
	Various departments here.	00:35:57
	But you have to get rid of a lot of that stuff. So we have room for the master plan. Well, yes, I we need to clean house.	00:36:01
	From there are tours and that there's a lot of stuff sitting around that could be gone, or as Venture Architects calls it, the pre	00:36:08
	dumpster room.	00:36:11
	For Henry Dodge on there.	00:36:18
	You never know.	00:36:20
	So that is all I got for you gentlemen.	00:36:22
	Any questions?	00:36:24
	I was just wondering not.	00:36:25
	The boiler in the JPOD is at the same age as the boilers into Henry Dodge. No, the boilers in J Pod are probably only 110.	00:36:27
	Yeah, I would thought like around 16.	00:36:37
	I would say they're like 10 years old, so they're not that old and you got that many issues with them, no.	00:36:42
	But.	00:36:47
	When Johnson Controls engineered that, that was part of a energy efficiency, what they call the EEC.	00:36:47
	BG Energy efficiency community block grant.	00:36:54
	And Johnson Controls engineered that and I don't.	00:36:59
	Think that they engineered it quite right and we.	00:37:02
	We've had some issues with those boilers over the years.	00:37:06
	And I think it has more to do with the way they're piped in and installed with the.	00:37:08
	Exhaust from the boilers and anything else.	00:37:14
	They're just set up.	00:37:18
	Cheaply well.	00:37:19
	The problem is the piping in the building.	00:37:21
	Is so big.	00:37:24
	That.	00:37:26
	Comparative capacity of the boiler.	00:37:27
	So if you get a slug out there and also you push the condensate, it sucks all the steam right out of the boiling.	00:37:29
	OK.	00:37:37
	So yes, it has had some.	00:37:39
	Challenges since we've had those in there.	00:37:42
	I don't think it's the boilers themselves, I think it's the way it was designed to be installed. There were Johnson controlled one	00:37:44
	more time.	00:37:49
	Yes, they they were the EECBG contractor that.	00:37:54
	That's when we did.	00:37:59
	Whole bunch of different energy efficiency.	00:38:03
	Things that there was a lighting in some buildings with high efficiency ballasts and some other stuff with that.	00:38:05
	But uh.	00:38:12
	And those boilers control.	00:38:14
	Do the Sheriff's Department tools? That's hot water, OK?	00:38:16
	Those are just small hot water units.	00:38:21
	The three in the Sheriff's Office. Each one is about the size of a dishwasher.	00:38:24
	Because there was something tied together between them and I.	00:38:29
	Of your own.	00:38:33
	So the oldest portion of jpod is all steam.	00:38:35
	The newer portion.	00:38:40
	Is.	00:38:42
	Hot water.	00:38:45
	It sends the steam down to a converter on that end of the building and converts it from hot water through a heat exchanger.	00:38:46
	Or, you know, from steam into hot water through a heat exchanger.	00:38:52
	So the idea in the master plan is to.	00:38:56
	Get rid of J Pod 2. Knock it down.	00:39:00
	We hope so.	00:39:04
	All it takes is money.	00:39:05
	Only money we're talking about.	00:39:09
	There's no no opportunity to just.	00:39:13
	Winterize the thing and shut the boilers down then.	00:39:16
	I would like to but the sheriff uses it all winter.	00:39:19
	Oh, that's right. Use it for get the ammo. He brings the Swans in indoors four or five and six and thaws them out and, and	00:39:22
	sometimes they hose them off or whatever, you know, so they they are using water in that building. Now I have to escape me.	00:39:28
	And the SWAT room is there also, yes.	00:39:37
	So.	00:39:43
	If they were not using the garage up a little bit.	00:39:44
	So that's my report.	00:39:47
	Very good, John.	00:39:52
	No more questions.	00:39:53
	As far as the future agenda items would probably have the master plan update next next month.	00:39:56
	And then whatever you feel.	00:40:01
	Necessary.	00:40:05
	OK.	00:40:06
	Motion to adjourn next meeting, N6.	00:40:10
	November 6th.	00:40:14
	You mean December?	00:40:16
	I didn't have my sheet done so I don't know what. December, December 4th? December 4th?	00:40:18
	4th That's a Thursday, correct?	00:40:23
	I yeah it is.	00:40:28
	All right.	00:40:30
	At 4:00, make a motion. Adjourned.	00:40:33
	I'll second that. OK, all in favor, aye, very good.	00:40:36