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Before work, so we'll just give a couple of minutes here to make sure. 00:00:00
The sound is on. 00:00:05
All right, I called the building committee meeting the order. 00:01:02
Roll call Non committee supervisor attendance has been taken. 00:01:05
We have no public comment today. 00:01:10
Approval of the minutes from February 5th. 00:01:13
2026 you all had a copy of them in your packet. 00:01:16
So moved second motion by. 00:01:21
Jeff, seconded by Randy. 00:01:24
Steve. OK, Seconded by Steve. 00:01:28
Any any discussion or corrections on them? 00:01:30
Hearing none all in favor say aye. 00:01:34
Aye. Motion carried. 00:01:36
OK, the master plan update. 00:01:39
Brad. 00:01:45
Laura's ears. 00:01:46
All right. 00:01:51
So for those who don't Remember Me, I'm Brad Kwasny with Venture Architects. 00:01:53
And. 00:02:00
Since the last time I was. 00:02:01
Here, I mean, I'll start by saying we're not going to just rehash everything in that. 00:02:04
Draft that I hand that we distributed. 00:02:09
Most everything that's in there we've already discussed. The only thing that wasn't. 00:02:12
Really discussed prior. 00:02:17
To now is we had looked at the old Dodge County office building adjacent to the highway department. 00:02:19
To see if that had any viability. 00:02:27
We but. 00:02:33
Got a tour from the owner. 00:02:34
John and I and and Cameron. 00:02:37
And. 00:02:39
Corey from my office. 00:02:41
We went through. 00:02:42
Looked at the conditions of everything. It's in various stages of demolition. 00:02:45
To kind of work and from the top down. 00:02:50
So top floor is pretty well. 00:02:52
Every all the interior walls are wiped out. 00:02:55
Third floors got a few more walls left and just, you know, progressively as you go down. 00:02:58
Most of the walls in there are. 00:03:04
Concrete block. 00:03:06
There's large. 00:03:07
Precast concrete columns. I think there's. 00:03:10
Eight of them in the middle of the floor. So once every all the walls are gone, they're still I think 8 columns. 00:03:13
In the middle of everything. 00:03:19
We've we've assessed the floor plan. 00:03:21
To see. 00:03:24
You know, can what departments we could move there. 00:03:26
To see what could be done. 00:03:29
Because the one of the options was looking at picking build you know the offices that are. 00:03:32
In this building and move them over there, then renovating this. 00:03:38
And then bringing. 00:03:42
Henry Dodge offices over here to see if that would work. 00:03:44
And there is the space to do it. 00:03:47
Everything that's here that we would want to move. 00:03:50
Could move. We would leave the county board. 00:03:54
Here. 00:03:56
We would leave. 00:03:57
John here. 00:03:58
And. 00:04:00
We would probably. 00:04:01
The way that would make the most sense is you. 00:04:02
Temporarily relocate. 00:04:05
Veteran services and then bring them back. 00:04:06
Because it makes more sense to. 00:04:09
Keep them in this building. 00:04:11
With some of the departments that would be coming over. 00:04:13
Just they, they just work together better. So all the other departments that we would look to move. 00:04:15
They do fit. 00:04:22
And they do fit in a way that. 00:04:24
No individual department would be split up so it's on two floors. 00:04:26
The adjacencies aren't. 00:04:32
Spectacular. 00:04:33
You know, some departments that work closely with others might have to be on different floors. 00:04:35
And there's very little room. 00:04:40
For you know. 00:04:43
If you're going to expand something. 00:04:46
You know, we'd have to be. 00:04:50
Where certain floors want to be where they fit well. 00:04:52
Those might be departments that would expand. 00:04:56
Before others and they don't necessarily work on the ground floor. 00:04:58
And it's really hard to expand a third floor. 00:05:02
So. 00:05:06
Looking at that building. 00:05:07
Is it? 00:05:09
Is it viable? 00:05:09
You could do it. 00:05:13
Do I think it's a good long term solution? I don't. 00:05:14
I just, I don't think it is. We looked at it, I just. 00:05:18
I don't think. 00:05:21
The best way for you to spend money. 00:05:23
I think it would kind of get you back into the situation where you are now, where? 00:05:25
You know everyone in this building. 00:05:30
Is is where they are because. 00:05:32
They moved. 00:05:34
Three or four or five times who know and and this is just where they fit. 00:05:35
And and and people have done it. 00:05:40
There's a good bit of work that's been done to try and keep adjacencies where they can. 00:05:42
But they don't always work. 00:05:47
I just, I just don't think that that building is. 00:05:49
Really viable. 00:05:52
So with that said. 00:05:56
I've handed out. 00:05:58
Some stuff. 00:06:00
The first thing I want. 00:06:02
To just point out is I've got this, the aerial. 00:06:03
The area that is shaded in kind of that bluish color. 00:06:09
Up around the. 00:06:13
The Henry Dodge building. 00:06:14
All of that is your property, that is. 00:06:16
Where you could build something. 00:06:20
So in these options that I want to go through from the the draft of the master plan, when I say there's room on. 00:06:21
The Henry Dodge site. 00:06:29
It's in that area. 00:06:31
Where it all fits and and. 00:06:33
Yeah. So I know a lot of people when I would say that. 00:06:36
The Henry Dodge site. 00:06:39
They're not including in their head that. 00:06:41
Farm Field. 00:06:43
To the north of it, but that is your property and so I just want to make sure everyone understands that that is also part of it. 00:06:44
So there's also a small area. 00:06:51
Of blue. 00:06:55
Sort of to the the southeast of. 00:06:57
Clearview. 00:07:00
That I have. 00:07:01
Highlighted. 00:07:02
When I talk about. 00:07:04
In the in that master plan. 00:07:06
A place where you could relocate the men's group home. 00:07:08
That's a spot where that would probably fit pretty nicely. 00:07:12
And then the other thing that's highlighted in red, that is the tornado damaged. 00:07:16
Evidence. 00:07:20
Building. 00:07:22
And then that. 00:07:23
That. 00:07:24
Outlined boxes your your vehicle evidence. 00:07:26
Storage yard. 00:07:29
So. 00:07:30
Anytime I'm referring to something about, you know, where it might go just. 00:07:31
That's what this map is all about. 00:07:36
So. 00:07:40
Focusing on just a handful of pages in the in the. 00:07:42
Master Plan. 00:07:47
I'm going to start with going to page. 00:07:49
15. 00:07:53
The options. 00:07:54
So once we get to. 00:07:57
You know, page. 00:07:59
16 where we start with option 12345. 00:08:00
You know, that's very specific to a. 00:08:04
A couple of buildings. 00:08:07
You know, basically this building. 00:08:08
And. 00:08:10
And Henry Dodge and moving those parts. 00:08:11
But in addition to the 2 main buildings, there's other buildings that. 00:08:15
Should be addressed. 00:08:20
And should be considered as part of this now. 00:08:21
How you want to prioritize those? 00:08:24
That that's your business, but it's things that should be. 00:08:26
Addressed. 00:08:30
And put somewhere in your plan. 00:08:32
I first being. 00:08:36
Let's talk about the the old. 00:08:40
The Abandoned. 00:08:43
Jail buildings. 00:08:44
Basically they're they're really used for at the lower level some vehicle storage. 00:08:48
And and and at the upper levels it's it's. 00:08:55
Some sheriff training. 00:08:58
There's a little bit of storage in the buildings. 00:09:00
I probably very underutilized also. 00:09:03
It would be very expensive to renovate. 00:09:07
Those spaces just because of. 00:09:11
The construction of a jail. 00:09:13
Even tearing it down. 00:09:16
Is expensive. 00:09:17
Because they're just. They're solid. 00:09:18
But renovating it? 00:09:21
Would would be quite costly. 00:09:23
So. 00:09:25
To that end, I would. 00:09:26
My recommendation? 00:09:28
Would be that it probably makes the most sense to. 00:09:31
Pair those old portions of the jail down. 00:09:34
Which could then lead to a nice place. 00:09:37
For a new medical examiner building. 00:09:40
Your your medical examiner has. 00:09:42
Very poor facilities. 00:09:45
Is spread out. 00:09:47
Three different locations and two different buildings. 00:09:49
It's it's, it's pretty tough. He could, he could use a better. 00:09:52
Building, I know. 00:09:57
You don't do your own autopsies here. Those get. 00:10:00
Shipped out. 00:10:03
But just the nature of the medical examiner. 00:10:04
You know, currently you have. 00:10:08
Facilities in the Henry Dodge building that. 00:10:11
Sometimes the work that he can do is a is a bit limited based on. 00:10:15
Is the building open? And there's the public roaming through the building? 00:10:19
Because sometimes you can't really. 00:10:24
Transport a decedent from one of the coolers. 00:10:25
To the examination area. 00:10:28
Because there's people there. 00:10:30
It's it's a, it's a very. 00:10:32
It's it's a. 00:10:35
It's a building function that should have some privacy. 00:10:36
But it should also be located very near the sheriff because they work. 00:10:38
Pretty closely, hand in hand. 00:10:42
So that would be an area where where it would be a nice fit. 00:10:44
To put something there. 00:10:47
So then with. 00:10:52
If you do eventually tear those. 00:10:55
Buildings down those old jail buildings you do need a place to put. 00:10:57
The sheriff's equipment, the the vehicles. 00:11:01
And you do have. 00:11:05
A bigger need than what you can accommodate right now, because obviously you have. 00:11:06
Vehicles that are just parked outside all the time. 00:11:11
If you take. 00:11:16
The need for having. 00:11:17
A building. 00:11:19
For the sheriff's vehicles. 00:11:21
And the fact? 00:11:23
That you're. 00:11:24
Current evidence storage building is tornado damaged. 00:11:25
And there's work to be done. It is repaired. It is fully repaired. Yep, that's an update since the last time you were here. OK. 00:11:29
It's that evidence storage building probably isn't in the. 00:11:37
Best location? 00:11:40
It would probably be an area that the highway department would love to have that area back. 00:11:44
You could build a joint structure. 00:11:48
For the sheriff's. 00:11:51
Vehicles. 00:11:53
And the sheriff's evidence that would be divided between the two, you know, there's a divider between the two. 00:11:54
Because evidence should have a very limited number of people who can go in there. 00:11:58
And there's an area that you could put. 00:12:02
An expanded vehicle evidence yard. 00:12:05
Because there's some, it's a little undersized for what they need. 00:12:08
But that could go out in, you know, this, this blue area out here. 00:12:11
Somewhere near the. 00:12:15
The water tower. 00:12:18
There would be space to do that. 00:12:19
And feel free to jump in with questions as we go through this. I just do like we did last time, where it's kind of free flowing. 00:12:23
Do you know how many square foot the medical examiner needs? 00:12:29
I not, I have not really assessed that. 00:12:35
I've done a few medical examiner buildings but those have been performing. 00:12:41
Autopsies. 00:12:45
So they have autopsy suites and they have. 00:12:47
You know, tissue. 00:12:50
Donation rooms and. 00:12:51
Those are bigger than what you would need. 00:12:53
So once, so once they took jpod down with. 00:12:56
Would there be more? 00:12:59
Space needed that you could have parking where that. 00:13:00
There would absolutely be additional space over there and then you would plan to do parking with that if you did that there. 00:13:03
I would say that we wouldn't take any options off the table. 00:13:09
You know. 00:13:14
We could. We could figure out what kind of spatial needs the Emmy would have. 00:13:15
And then whatever is leftover, you know, maybe there's another function that. 00:13:19
That makes sense there. 00:13:24
You said buildings the J pod and is in another building besides J pod. 00:13:27
It's kind of. 00:13:33
It's there's an older portion in a newer portion. Yeah, two. I kind of look at it like 2 separate. 00:13:35
Structures. 00:13:39
OK, just because they're. 00:13:40
Built at different times. 00:13:42
But once that all comes down. 00:13:43
There is more space than than what the medical examiner would. 00:13:46
Would take up. 00:13:50
You know they would basically need a Sally port for bringing in a vehicle. 00:13:51
They would need. 00:13:55
A reasonable examination room. 00:13:56
They would need. 00:14:01
Freezer cooler. 00:14:03
Probably cooler. 00:14:04
I don't know if a freezer is. 00:14:07
We, I mean, we could talk about Fraser needs, but. 00:14:09
You know it, it would be pretty limited. 00:14:13
But. 00:14:16
I just think it's a better. 00:14:17
Function to be either stand alone or. 00:14:19
Attached to a sheriff under, you know. 00:14:22
Perfect circumstances. 00:14:24
Is there any way you can get a ballpark square footage for the board meeting? 00:14:26
For a medical examiner's office, sure. 00:14:30
Sure. 00:14:33
I would. 00:14:35
Probably. 00:14:36
Just need to talk to the Emmy and just say what you what your needs are. Then I could put some square footages to it. 00:14:39
So you're saying? 00:14:48
Takedown the old jail. 00:14:49
Yep, and. 00:14:51
You would build a medical examiner's office over there and then you would also bring the. 00:14:54
The building that they use for. 00:15:01
Evidence and all that. 00:15:05
You would put that over there too and the vehicle storage? No, no, I would say talking to vehicle storage and the evidence thing 00:15:06
going up by the water Dodge, Yep, by the water tower. 00:15:10
OK, so that would be totally separate from totally the Sheriff's Department and Yep, so them guys, they'd have to go up there. 00:15:15
And get their vehicle and then. 00:15:22
Whatever they'd be storing, yeah, like if they need to do. 00:15:24
You know, get their boat or whatever they need to get. 00:15:28
Would would be. 00:15:31
Off off site a little farther. I mean, we could look to see what kind of. 00:15:33
Space would be leftover. Can you you know how much can you store? 00:15:37
And and it would be. It would be great if it would all fit. 00:15:41
But it is a little bit of a sliver of property, so I don't want to. 00:15:45
Make any promises and say that you definitely can do it. 00:15:48
Yeah. 00:15:52
You're not talking. 00:15:54
Indoor storage for all the squad cars net are you or? 00:15:57
No. OK. No, not. Not necessarily, no. 00:16:01
Just for their stuff, like their boat and all the stuff that they have. 00:16:04
He's looking for something for his mobile command center, his spot unit. 00:16:08
His MRAP. 00:16:13
OK. Yeah, because I think those are at highway departments are currently at highway and they would kind of like. 00:16:15
To have that, sure. 00:16:20
But the squads and all that would still be. 00:16:22
Park the way they park them now. 00:16:25
There wouldn't be nothing that changes with that. 00:16:27
I don't there there could be some indoor space. 00:16:31
Their squads, if they're they're getting some new ones that they're retrofitting something, yeah. 00:16:33
You know you don't want to. 00:16:38
Cut yourself short, but right. 00:16:40
You know, and and when I when I say that, you know. 00:16:42
You might have another function you could do alongside the Emmy at that location. 00:16:45
You know. 00:16:49
Maybe it's a small maintenance garage for the vehicles. Maybe it you know it, there's just just things that. 00:16:50
That could be done that. 00:16:56
You know. 00:16:58
As you go through the process. 00:16:58
He'll say, hey, you know what would be great? 00:17:00
What if we looked at this? 00:17:02
Because I'm not saying that I've thought of every single possibility that you could. 00:17:04
You could do out this is this is a big picture that's going to get you on a path. 00:17:08
To where you want to go for years down the road. 00:17:14
Would that would that evidence storage be a place where they could put that brine system that they're talking about? 00:17:16
The brine system would go into highway lot. 00:17:23
Oh, where yes, he's looking at right there, because that is close to. 00:17:26
The water main that is out by the street. 00:17:30
So he is looking at. 00:17:33
The brain system in that area. 00:17:35
There could they use that evidence storage for that? 00:17:37
Brain system? I don't know. I've only seen one and I don't. 00:17:41
Know that would really. 00:17:45
Suit for what they're looking for. I've only seen one brine system. 00:17:46
Previously. 00:17:49
Anything else so far? 00:17:57
For the corner for like future reference. 00:17:59
Wouldn't it be more realistic to give the corner? 00:18:02
More room than what you're thinking. So in the future, if they did want to do autopsies, they could do them here instead of ship 00:18:05
them out. You know what I'm saying? You know what would? 00:18:10
Be the thing we would probably look at doing. 00:18:15
Would be. 00:18:18
Planning. 00:18:19
In figuring out, you know, if you wanted to do if, if they were going to decide to do autopsies and not ship them out somewhere 00:18:21
down the road. 00:18:24
Plan for an expansion. 00:18:28
So that everything could be here and then you could expand here and that would accommodate everything. 00:18:30
Not that we build something and all of a sudden 10 years down the road they want to change something so they can do autopsies here 00:18:35
and all of a sudden you can't because we didn't build it correctly at the time. 00:18:39
Yeah. So I wouldn't want you. 00:18:44
The part of the the Medical Examiner building. 00:18:47
Where the autopsies are done is. 00:18:50
Is there's a lot of technology and it's it's a very expensive. 00:18:53
Thing to put up. 00:18:58
I I mean you could box out. 00:19:01
Like just a white box. 00:19:03
That you could do. 00:19:04
But if you never go ahead with. 00:19:06
Decided to do autopsies. Space. It's wasted space. 00:19:08
Because you would you would need. 00:19:12
A pathologist. 00:19:13
And pathologists are. 00:19:15
Very hard to come by. 00:19:17
Every year there's more that retire than join the profession. 00:19:20
So. 00:19:24
It's a tricky 1. 00:19:24
But it it. 00:19:27
Can be done. I know Marathon County just hired 2 of them within the last year. 00:19:28
You know when we did there? 00:19:33
New facility so it can be done. 00:19:34
But. 00:19:37
I would rather. 00:19:39
Look at it like. 00:19:41
Give you the space to be able to expand the building. 00:19:42
In a way that makes a lot of sense. 00:19:45
So that's somewhere down the road. 00:19:48
You can do the room would. 00:19:50
Area would be there exactly changes 20 years yeah so so like if you said you know would do the Emmy here. 00:19:51
And then we might do this other. 00:19:58
Thing over there. 00:20:00
Give yourself the room to expand the Medical examiner building so that that other building isn't in the way of the space you would 00:20:02
need. 00:20:05
So you can't expand the building. 00:20:09
Sure. 00:20:11
Is the vehicle storage building out by the water tower, is that going to be too far away from other Sheriff's Department functions 00:20:15
do you think there? 00:20:19
Has that been having talked to the sheriff? 00:20:23
He was. 00:20:26
Happier. 00:20:27
What the concept of having all of his vehicles in one spot? 00:20:29
As opposed to, you know, we have a couple over here and a couple over there. 00:20:34
And it's not. 00:20:37
Terribly far, but I mean. 00:20:40
Yes, if you're looking you, you need the boat for a rescue. You need the boat quickly. 00:20:42
But again, it's it's not. 00:20:49
It's not 15 miles down the road. They'll get there quickly. 00:20:51
Is it? Is it optimal? I mean, it would. 00:20:56
They'd rather have it attached to their space, but. 00:20:58
The space. 00:21:02
There's there's no room on the site for that. 00:21:02
Any other questions? The old Ford garage? 00:21:08
For that space. 00:21:12
Was there anybody in there there? 00:21:14
Just across from the. 00:21:16
From the courthouse. 00:21:17
Somebody I believe didn't purchase it again last year. It's been sold a couple of times since the building committee looked at it 00:21:20
and they did spend a lot of money on the roof and tuck pointing on it so. 00:21:25
I didn't want to bring that up either, but that was also an idea that I had. 00:21:32
And had been talking with supervisor. 00:21:37
Cucumber about it and. 00:21:40
I mean, you got parking right there. 00:21:42
We have parking lot that's not even being used over there. 00:21:44
And if you put. 00:21:48
If you put the administration build in there. 00:21:50
And you went. 00:21:54
For high 4 stores or three storeys, whatever. 00:21:55
You got all the parking you need right there. 00:21:59
And I don't know how far that lot goes. 00:22:01
To the West, to that house, but there's a big open lot right next to it. 00:22:05
Where are you talking, Randy? 00:22:11
The A1. 00:22:12
Dealer over here. 00:22:14
Right across the board dealer, The old Ford dealer. Is it that big? 00:22:15
That lot, well, there's an open lot right next to it. Yeah, that building is having up for a building, but she wouldn't have 00:22:19
parking. 00:22:22
You got parking right across in the. 00:22:26
The whole sheriff's parking lot there. 00:22:28
A lot of days that's full, Randy. 00:22:31
You don't think so? I never really see that full. 00:22:33
Well, what about the court? Not court days when they're doing it is selected open lot next to the four building there? 00:22:36
Who owns that? 00:22:43
That that's all one piece. 00:22:45
OK, there wasn't a lot of. 00:22:47
There's probably AM. 00:22:48
I would say you could probably park 30 vehicles there. 00:22:50
Didn't add lot, just get sold dead. Long rectangular one that's right across from the courthouse. 00:22:56
Wasn't that up for sale? And then somebody said, well, the county was. 00:23:02
Foolish not to buy it. 00:23:05
That the building committee had looked at that building in the past and had made an offer. 00:23:08
I don't know, several years ago, probably what, 8-9? 00:23:12
789 years ago. 00:23:15
More than that, Doctor Madsen was the chairman. 00:23:17
So. 00:23:21
But you're saying that for garage that? 00:23:26
Prop that long training or that wrong rectangular empty lot there. That's all part of that. 00:23:29
Property. 00:23:35
I believe yeah. Is it? 00:23:35
OK. 00:23:37
And I don't know how wide it is neither maybe it's very why it's not a very wide office building there you'd be no, not an office 00:23:39
building, but like the evidence building that. 00:23:44
Jeff was saying, you know, moving it closer to the Sheriff's Department, you know? 00:23:50
Using it for like an evidence building there. 00:23:54
Like we have over by the highway and evidence. 00:23:58
Correct. Harder So white. Why couldn't you go 3-4 stories high and make it an office building? 00:24:00
Is there any zoning against there right there? 00:24:09
But you know, I didn't. I've never looked at that piece of property. 00:24:12
Um, to say what it what it is. 00:24:18
I but if it's kind of narrow. 00:24:21
You know you're squeezing. 00:24:24
Departments and. 00:24:26
Again, one of the things we're trying to do is increase efficiency and put as many departments at. 00:24:28
That should have adjacencies together. 00:24:33
And now you're you're. 00:24:36
Kind of stacking them up. 00:24:37
So not to say it can't be done. I, I I can't rule it out without really. 00:24:39
Investigating it. 00:24:44
But. 00:24:45
I'd have to. 00:24:46
I'd have to really look to see how big that property. 00:24:47
Is. 00:24:50
And I think we have to look at that Randy, but it is it is fairly narrow to be able to put. 00:24:51
An office type building there. 00:24:56
And depending on where the line is on zoning. 00:24:58
Heights restriction on that presents in the airport. 00:25:01
Flight path it is. Courthouse couldn't go any higher. 00:25:04
Yeah. 00:25:07
But it's all things that we can look at. You could put some build in there, you know what I mean? 00:25:10
It's just something I. 00:25:16
Was looking at. 00:25:18
So yeah, I think the. 00:25:19
First time we went through, looked at stuff, I think Corey and I both looked at that building and. 00:25:21
And said because I think the only thing really pressing right now, I've said it before too, is getting the people out of Henry 00:25:25
Dodge. 00:25:28
And the most success or most thing that makes most sense to that is putting them here. 00:25:32
And then where do we move these people? 00:25:37
And that would probably be the easiest to just have a new spot to build on. 00:25:40
And and that's where when we dig into these other options, it. 00:25:45
We know that in a perfect world, you would love to get out of that Henry Dodge building sometime. Last week would be really good. 00:25:50
The problem is you know. 00:25:58
You pretty much have to build something somewhere, yeah. 00:26:02
And if you look at all of these options, you're either building something to move them out. 00:26:05
Or you're building something. 00:26:10
To move somebody else out to renovate another space. 00:26:11
To move them into. 00:26:15
So. 00:26:16
It's going to be a couple years. 00:26:17
Sorry. 00:26:20
It is. 00:26:21
Yeah. No, no. 00:26:22
I think the board knows that too, that I ain't going to happen overnight getting rid of. 00:26:24
The Henry Dodgy building. 00:26:29
But do you, do you agree though that? 00:26:30
The most sense that you're looking at so far is moving the Henry Dodge people here. 00:26:32
Because this is added, this is out of date kind of for the administration building to write it, but Henry Dodge could probably 00:26:39
suffice with this building and. 00:26:43
Henry Dodge. 00:26:47
All the departments definitely fit here. We have investigated that. We've looked to see if we get good adjacencies, they fit. 00:26:49
This building can work for everything that's in Henry Dodge. 00:26:57
It would. 00:27:02
We would want to do, you know, a renovation to make sure it works. 00:27:02
For how each department would need it. 00:27:06
But it absolutely. 00:27:10
Works. They can fit in here. 00:27:11
So, you know, that's why we. 00:27:13
You know one of the options we have is to. 00:27:15
Build a new building. 00:27:18
Somewhere on the Henry Dodge site. 00:27:20
You know, you can look at it two ways. You put a new building there. 00:27:23
And then just move the people from Henry Dodge straight into that. 00:27:27
That's one option. 00:27:31
That's. 00:27:32
That's the fastest way out of the Henry Dodge building. 00:27:33
The other option is you build a building on that site. 00:27:37
You move the people from here into that new building and that becomes their permanent home. 00:27:42
You renovate this space and then the people from Henry Dodge move here. 00:27:47
Those are. 00:27:52
To reasonable options. Another option that. 00:27:53
Really makes everything happen. 00:27:58
The fastest? 00:28:00
Would be. 00:28:01
You put up. 00:28:02
One building. 00:28:03
Out at the Henry Dodge site. I think it's option 5 in here. 00:28:04
And everyone just goes into it. 00:28:08
You could tear down Henry Dodge then. 00:28:10
What you do at this building? 00:28:13
That you know you have a big empty building then. 00:28:16
That's in reasonable shape. 00:28:19
But not real easy for somebody else to. 00:28:23
It's not someone's not gonna just move in. 00:28:26
In June. 00:28:30
But that not that big of a building, right? 00:28:31
You know, and, and this building, especially when you, if you just drive by on the street, you know. 00:28:34
People will look at this building go that's in good shape, yeah. 00:28:39
Yeah, and. 00:28:42
And you know. 00:28:43
There would be heat. 00:28:44
From the public to why? Why would you want to move out of this building? 00:28:46
So. 00:28:50
You know, like I said. 00:28:54
That's your. 00:28:55
That is a really good solution. 00:28:56
For getting everything taken care of quickly and getting people in the. 00:28:59
Quickly is a loose term. 00:29:02
Right. It's still a couple years to make it all happen. 00:29:04
But you could also take that idea of 1 building out by Henry Dodge to create a campus and you could build it in phases. 00:29:06
You know you could build what you need. 00:29:14
For Henry Dodge. 00:29:16
And then? 00:29:18
In X number of years, you know, you you'd have to start looking at your mill rate and you know, all that sort of thing to try and 00:29:20
keep that as flat as you can and. 00:29:24
Not bounce people's property taxes all over the place. 00:29:29
But then when? 00:29:32
The time is appropriate. 00:29:33
You could put an addition on that. That would be. 00:29:35
Essentially pre planned. 00:29:38
To accommodate everyone that's in this building and move out there, then you have everyone out there. 00:29:40
John and his team are doing less driving back and forth and back and forth because they're all in one spot, right? 00:29:45
But then you have the. 00:29:52
The question of what do you do with this building? 00:29:53
So. 00:29:55
The options that are here. The five options that are here. 00:29:56
I'm not going to recommend anyone of them. 00:29:59
We're just laying it out. 00:30:03
For you guys to. 00:30:04
To figure out what you want to do. 00:30:06
The only one that I would really. 00:30:07
Make any recommendation on as option #4. 00:30:11
You know, to just. 00:30:15
Delete that one. 00:30:17
You know, that's that's the old the old. 00:30:19
Office building that you'd have to repurchase. 00:30:22
And if you look at. 00:30:24
This that I. 00:30:28
Brought with me I have some of the cost estimates not for all the options yet I I should have the other. 00:30:29
The others before the county board meeting. 00:30:35
I believe the cost that was figured in to renovate that building. 00:30:39
Which we've already talked about. It's got some shortcomings. 00:30:44
But that comes in at close to $15 million to renovate that building. 00:30:47
So. 00:30:51
I would. 00:30:52
Take that option off the table. 00:30:53
Well. 00:30:57
I'm glad you at least looked at it, yeah. 00:30:58
You know, people have said, you know, is that building? 00:31:01
In that bad shape, maybe there's. 00:31:04
Opportunities there while you've investigated it? 00:31:05
Yeah, and and like I said it. 00:31:08
Everything could fit that you'd want to put there, but it doesn't fit. 00:31:11
Optimally. 00:31:14
You have hurricane issues too. 00:31:15
It's fairly good parking. Yeah, the back is the the back parking is pretty good sized. 00:31:19
And that building there, yeah, OK. I didn't even know there was 1 back there. 00:31:25
I'm sorry. 00:31:29
Curious about demo. 00:31:31
Well, can I give my take on what I read on this whole thing that you sent me in that? 00:31:34
And what I think would be a good. 00:31:39
Option. 00:31:42
Is. 00:31:43
If we built the new administration building out. 00:31:46
By Clearview on that property that we own NA Clearview. 00:31:49
Built a new administration building out there. You wouldn't have to build it as big as if you built a building for the Human 00:31:53
Services. 00:31:56
Because Human Services require more than what the administration building would require. 00:32:00
But if you built the new administration building out there. 00:32:05
Then you would. 00:32:08
Build it. 00:32:10
And you would empty this building into that new building. And then like you said, Brad, you would. 00:32:11
Renovate this building. 00:32:17
And move. 00:32:18
The people from Henry dodge Human Services in them all over into this building. 00:32:20
The only reason I say that is because if you leave the administration in this building, you're still going to have all this unused 00:32:25
space. 00:32:29
And by doing it the way I'm saying we should do it. 00:32:34
All this unused space is going to be used. 00:32:38
By the department's. 00:32:40
That are over there now. 00:32:42
Yeah, Henry, Dodge departments would better utilize the square footage of this building, right? And I think that was the whole 00:32:43
plan behind having a master plan was to get more efficiency out of our buildings. 00:32:49
And to me that would be the most efficient is and then we wouldn't have to build such a big new building. 00:32:56
Right away, right, It would be less because the. 00:33:03
The administration building doesn't require that much square footage. 00:33:06
But then we would be using. 00:33:10
You know. 00:33:14
Most efficient? Absolutely. 00:33:15
Yes. 00:33:18
And that, that's my take when I look at this and my vision down the road is to go that route. 00:33:19
And and honestly. 00:33:26
That is. 00:33:28
When when I look at all the options. 00:33:30
I that's one that's probably the most. 00:33:33
Practical. 00:33:36
It's between that and just building a brand new building to accommodate everything. 00:33:37
I think those are your two best options, but one of them has a much bigger dollar sign. 00:33:42
You know, and, and that's why we'd always talk about phasing and things like that and how can we? 00:33:47
How can we balance all of that out? 00:33:52
But the big sell is. 00:33:54
If we build 1 building for everything. 00:33:56
Then you have to convince the whole board that this building. 00:33:59
Isn't going to be used no more and it's going to go for sale. 00:34:01
And that you're going to have a big. 00:34:04
Problem convincing the whole board that we're going to eliminate this whole building. Politically, that's a very tough sell. 00:34:07
Yes, but the other thing that I'm not really. 00:34:12
In favor of neither and you guys kind of shot that down was? 00:34:16
Looking at that old office building, sticking all this money in there just for a temporary use. 00:34:19
To put people in and out of. 00:34:25
And then after it's all done, then we have all that money stuck in that building already. 00:34:28
And what do you do with that? 00:34:32
Yeah. And then it's a it's a really nice office building for somebody, right? To me, that's yeah. There's not a lot of production. 00:34:34
You're never gonna get your money back out of it. Yeah, it's so. So there's a. 00:34:39
That that building over there is just it doesn't seem to have any long term viability, right. Anything regarding that one, It 00:34:44
doesn't seem like. 00:34:48
Like you're spending your money wisely. 00:34:53
Yeah, and I agree with you that we'd be foolish to put any money into that building. 00:34:55
So I mean, realistically it's it's your option is you know, you build something out by dodge, right? 00:35:03
You move somebody in, you renovate a space. 00:35:09
You move bodies around. 00:35:12
Or you just put up a. 00:35:13
A new building. 00:35:15
And you phase it. 00:35:16
Overtime to get everyone in there. Those are really your two. 00:35:17
Best options in a nutshell. 00:35:20
I would agree with that too. You'd build. 00:35:22
Build it to the size need. We already have a few people on the on the board that don't like getting rid of the Henry dodge. So you 00:35:24
get rid of Henry dodge. 00:35:28
All this other stuff we can pick and choose here and there to. 00:35:32
To do. 00:35:36
Quite frankly, for the last 20 years. 00:35:39
The public has. 00:35:41
Admonish the county board for building all these buildings and letting the highways go to hell. 00:35:43
Be real. Just to put it really bluntly, you know? 00:35:47
That that is, that is the. 00:35:51
The feeling in the public. 00:35:54
So I think as efficiently as we can. 00:35:56
Move forward, I think, is what we have to do. 00:35:59
The other thing that. 00:36:05
You had in this report also kind of. 00:36:08
Switch into a different option that you had. You're talking about the CBRF. 00:36:10
How there's 20 units in the CBRF? 00:36:16
Right now and there's only 16 at Clearview. 00:36:18
Yeah. So you need to put a little addition. Putting an addition, I don't think that makes sense. I would. 00:36:21
I myself. 00:36:26
Might even consider. 00:36:27
Building. Besides doing that, building a separate CBRF building. 00:36:29
And. 00:36:35
Keeping. 00:36:36
Brain injury and. 00:36:38
Behavioral Health. 00:36:40
Just. 00:36:44
To be clear about that, Ed was not concerned if we would go from 20 down to 16. 00:36:46
OK, that's the other thing that was gonna ask you. 00:36:50
We're then that wing is. 00:36:54
Unoccupied now except for one worker from Ukraine lives in one of those rooms. 00:36:55
And that when they actually have that in the CBRF housing unit inside that. 00:37:01
Well, the wing is empty right now. 00:37:06
That there's. 00:37:07
Those rooms are not used. You said there's one. 00:37:08
There's one lady that lives in there with that she's a. 00:37:10
Worker from Ukraine. That's what I'm saying. Can you have that person in that wing and can. 00:37:13
No, no, there would be no. 00:37:18
Workers there. 00:37:20
What Ed would like to use it for is when he gets his foreign workers that he is trying to get over here. 00:37:21
And that's where these people would live until they can get housing in the community also as long as that wing is vacant. 00:37:28
And if the CBRF were to move into their. 00:37:35
The employee housing is. 00:37:38
Gone. It would just be CBRF. 00:37:40
Residents. 00:37:42
It would be more efficient for Clearview to just operate that. 00:37:49
Within that building, because now you. 00:37:55
Have a separate cook, you have a separate kitchen, you have a lot of separate things because the CBRF is located across the road 00:37:58
from Clearview. 00:38:01
And staffing wise and operation wise, it would actually be better for Clearview if the CBRF was in that wing. 00:38:05
More efficient than anybody together. 00:38:12
That makes sense. 00:38:14
So what are they going to do with the extra 4? 00:38:17
CBRF people then. 00:38:21
If they were to move to that, I mean, these people, they come, they go. I mean, some people pass away, some people. 00:38:25
Their health condition changes where they need more care or less care. So the the population is always. 00:38:32
Changing their accommodate 16 and not 20 and just leave it at that. 00:38:38
Right. And you know. 00:38:42
As long as this is going to take to do all of this stuff that we're talking. 00:38:45
As people leave that, they can. 00:38:49
Downsize it. 00:38:51
To 16 two and not refill for the rooms because knowing that eventually it's going to go down. Yeah, Clearview, I just had a I just 00:38:52
had a. 00:38:56
My my view on that basically is more economic, so. 00:39:01
So another topic. 00:39:04
For another day I guess. 00:39:06
Any other? 00:39:17
Thoughts or questions or? 00:39:18
And again, this is this, this is my draft. I can, I will certainly be adding and and and. 00:39:23
You know, did you want me to? 00:39:29
Eliminate anything to do with the other building. 00:39:32
Or, or just leave it in to just show that we we investigated it. 00:39:35
I would leave it all in because then the whole board knows what you. 00:39:40
You guys, did you know? 00:39:43
Can you? Yeah, because that that always comes up as a question. Well, what about this? What about this, right. Let him know that 00:39:46
you checked into everything you know, and it's it's like in the in the cost estimate that we have. 00:39:52
You know we we have. 00:40:00
One of these. 00:40:03
Is for a brand new building. 00:40:04
That's going to house everything. 00:40:07
You know that that that option 5, because someone always says, what if we just build everything right now at one shot? What's it 00:40:09
going to cost? You can now say. 00:40:13
Our estimate right now is $58 million. 00:40:18
So. 00:40:23
I like I said, I'm going to be getting more cost estimates that align with. 00:40:23
The other options that are in here. 00:40:27
And I should have those. 00:40:29
Probably not by the end of next week, but I'll have them. 00:40:31
The following week, so I should have them before? 00:40:34
The the full board meeting. 00:40:37
And I will get those to John so they could everything be disseminated. 00:40:39
Prior. 00:40:43
So do you know how many square feet the administrative? 00:40:43
Building would have to be the house. 00:40:46
Everybody here. 00:40:48
Let me see 100,000 square feet that that is for everything that's that's here and that's Henry Dodge. 00:40:50
That's that's both combined, right? I do have that. 00:40:58
Broken down. 00:41:01
Just not at my fingertips. I'd like to see what. 00:41:03
Just the administrative building would cost out there. 00:41:06
Yeah. And and we'll get in, we'll get that and then see what the renovation of this building would cost to. 00:41:09
Move them over from Henry Dodge to here. 00:41:15
There shouldn't be too much renovation, should there? 00:41:19
Move them here. 00:41:21
There's probably a lot of things that would. 00:41:24
Get renovated. 00:41:27
I would, you know you've got. 00:41:29
You you you probably struggle to find an ADA accessible bathroom in the place, right? 00:41:32
You know, there's just a. 00:41:39
There's there's. 00:41:41
Without renovating the space, you're going to be doing like you have now where people are. 00:41:42
Moved in and they're working according to the space that's available. 00:41:47
And what we want to do is for long term. 00:41:51
Make the building work for how? 00:41:54
Every department should operate. 00:41:57
So and and that will. 00:42:01
That would be a deeper dive than than what a master plan is for, but you know. 00:42:06
That's just the next step. 00:42:10
But there is the room to make it. 00:42:11
To make it happen. 00:42:13
The other thing Brad, I would ask you guys to do as to. 00:42:15
Figure out a price on what it would cost. 00:42:19
Demo them buildings over there. 00:42:22
And then what size? 00:42:24
Building we would have to add. 00:42:26
For the medical examiner and then also give us the information on what? 00:42:28
Square footage we still have available over there. 00:42:33
After the medical examiner is built. 00:42:36
And the, you know, the buildings are tore down. 00:42:39
How much? 00:42:41
Spaces that are leftover there yet? 00:42:42
I'd be curious than all that. 00:42:44
OK. 00:42:47
Are you going to forward and then put the cost with that also? 00:42:49
Yep, OK. 00:42:52
Are you going to forward this report that you sent us in this other stuff to the full board before the board meeting? 00:42:54
I will. 00:43:00
Give a much more complete version. 00:43:01
Yeah. So I I plan on having the cost breakdowns for every option. 00:43:04
For the full board. 00:43:10
And. 00:43:12
Going through this, you know, there's a couple little things that I've I've said OK, I want to add this and I want to tweak that 00:43:13
and. 00:43:17
You know, John looked through it and said I got a couple things marked up that he caught so. 00:43:21
It'll be. It'll be. 00:43:26
A more complete version. 00:43:28
So, but the board will have it before the meeting. 00:43:30
That's. 00:43:34
That's the plan. 00:43:34
This month. 00:43:37
That's that's my goal. 00:43:38
That that Cameron could not be here tonight, But that was his question of what what is your timeline and what are the next steps? 00:43:41
Yeah, the realistically that the next step is just to finish up the cost estimates, finalize. 00:43:49
The master plan. 00:43:55
And get it to the full board. 00:43:56
And from there. 00:43:58
You guys get to have discussions about what you want to do, how you want to do it. 00:44:00
Get together with your finance people and figure out. 00:44:05
You know, how would you pay for it? Mill rates? Tax implications? 00:44:08
And then you would say, OK, here's our plan that in. 00:44:12
This window of time. 00:44:16
We want to do. 00:44:18
This. 00:44:19
And then you would probably. 00:44:20
Go through the process of. 00:44:22
You know, and maybe it's an RFP to hire. 00:44:24
An architect. 00:44:27
To start doing schematic design. 00:44:28
You know, design, development of whatever you know, sometimes. 00:44:31
You know, everyone does it a little different. Some people just want to do a schematic design. 00:44:35
And from schematic design, you get a cost estimate and you can say, OK, this is what it's going to cost. 00:44:39
And then after that you. 00:44:44
Expand that and go into design, development, construction documents. 00:44:47
Bidding. 00:44:51
You know because until the bids are in and you approve the bids. 00:44:54
You're not locked into building anything. 00:44:57
But it's when you're going to get your best numbers every every step along the way gets you more refined. 00:45:00
Cost estimates. 00:45:06
So for right now these cost estimates. 00:45:09
Are they're accurate based on? 00:45:11
Expected square footage that you need. 00:45:16
You know, and and like at schematic design, they'd be accurate based on. 00:45:19
They can start to look at. 00:45:23
Walls and doors and and maybe some windows and you know. 00:45:25
It gets more refined and then through design development. 00:45:29
Then you're getting into more of the the technology that's going into the building and. 00:45:32
Finer details, How is it actually being constructed? 00:45:37
And then? 00:45:41
After construction documents, it would just be a hard competitive bid. 00:45:42
So each step along the way gives you. 00:45:48
Better. 00:45:50
Numbers. Umm. 00:45:50
Do you think the cost per square foot for just the new administration? 00:45:51
Building would be comparable to it. 00:45:58
We're seeing here for the. 00:46:01
The 100,000 square foot. 00:46:02
They could be stopped more so. 00:46:05
We use Samuels group. 00:46:07
To do the cost estimating we work with them quite a bit. 00:46:09
And we find that. 00:46:12
Their estimates. 00:46:14
Are really pretty solid. 00:46:16
We've used many people over the years. 00:46:21
Some people always come in a little low because. 00:46:24
It looks good. Oh, we can do this right. Others like to come in. 00:46:26
Too high because they're being safe. Samuel's group has been pretty solid on on. 00:46:30
Their estimates. 00:46:36
And recently? 00:46:37
Bids have come in on projects. 00:46:41
And the bidding environment is getting very competitive. 00:46:43
So actually the. 00:46:47
The the bids have been coming in. 00:46:48
Under budget. 00:46:51
And it's not because we think that. 00:46:53
The cost estimating is bad, it's just contractors are. 00:46:55
Hungry. 00:46:58
Right now. So numbers are coming in very good right now. 00:46:59
Something we haven't seen for a while. 00:47:03
When you get us the the square footage for just the administration building though would. 00:47:07
Would it be a safe assumption to use the square footage price on? 00:47:12
On the. 00:47:15
The complete building and apply it to the square footage for the. 00:47:16
Administration building to get an estimate. 00:47:20
I'm not sure I'm understanding what. 00:47:24
You. We, I. 00:47:26
Frankly, I didn't see the entire report. I. 00:47:28
But. 00:47:31
You, you. We've got 100,000 square foot here, which is. 00:47:32
Putting everybody in one new building. 00:47:36
OK. You can. You could probably take the square foot number from that. 00:47:39
And and and just. 00:47:43
Scale that down to the square footage of what I'm asking. Yes, yes you can. What cost? 00:47:45
On a smaller structure and would it be? 00:47:51
Reasonably accurate. It would be reasonably accurate because it's really its office space, office space, office space. There's my 00:47:53
few, but I wanted to ask the question, you know? 00:47:58
It's generally just office space, so yeah, you would be pretty accurate. 00:48:03
OK. So no matter what it is, it's on the average of $580 per square foot? 00:48:06
New, new, revamped, whatever. 00:48:11
Yeah. So we just need to calculate what that square footage would be and then you can have the numbers. 00:48:13
So new square footage is, you know. 00:48:20
A set price on what it costs to build new. 00:48:23
Renovating like a building like this square footage? 00:48:26
Does that usually more than new? 00:48:30
Construction or is renovating less than new construction? 00:48:33
It's. 00:48:37
Or is it hard to say? It's hard to say because. 00:48:40
You already have. 00:48:43
You know, walls and foundations and. 00:48:45
And it's a matter of. 00:48:48
How much can you salvage? 00:48:49
The more you can salvage. 00:48:51
The lower that renovation cost is. 00:48:53
A certain things I mean we've done our fair share of projects where. 00:48:56
You know, the owner said we just want to renovate, We want to renovate, we want to renovate. And we're like, Are you sure about 00:49:03
that? And I know we want to. We're going to save money. We're going to renovate. 00:49:07
And it ends up being more expensive than building a brand new building just because what they needed to do was so extensive and 00:49:12
then they had to put on an addition and. 00:49:16
So it's it's a matter of. 00:49:20
How extensive everything is Well, when you're cutting and coring into a solid building and I'll put a bathroom and depends what 00:49:23
you run into, it could cost, right? It depends like what your floor structure is, you know, if it's where it's allowable, where it 00:49:27
is and how you can get right if you have a. 00:49:32
Pour concrete over a steel deck. Well, you can. You can cut into that just about anywhere. 00:49:37
If you have a. 00:49:43
Precast plank floor. 00:49:43
While there's, there's still reinforcing that goes in that. 00:49:46
And you're X raying the floor to see where those are, so you're not. 00:49:50
Popping those strands when you're cutting through and you're limited to how many cuts you can put in it. 00:49:54
And the manufacturer of the plank from. 00:49:59
Whenever it was installed. 00:50:02
They've got some say in that. 00:50:04
So. 00:50:06
It depends on, you know, the materials you're dealing with too. 00:50:07
OK, so. 00:50:13
Not not a fully complete answer that you were looking for, but there's a lot of variables. 00:50:17
Yeah. And when you get this all put together? 00:50:22
I hope it's sooner than. 00:50:28
Later because I don't want. I don't want. 00:50:29
The full board to get this a day before our meeting. 00:50:31
Right. And they, they're gonna complain and say, well, could have to go out in the packet, Jody. 00:50:34
Yeah. Oh, you would send it all in the packet. You would be in the packet for the meeting. 00:50:38
On the computer at all? 00:50:43
Yeah, yeah. 00:50:44
But I'm just saying don't. Don't give it A to them all one day or two days before the meeting. Give them ample time to that they 00:50:46
got time to look at the whole thing and absorb it a little bit. 00:50:51
Usually to Friday. 00:50:58
The Friday before, I thought it was the Friday before, but Friday before the meeting is one day. 00:51:00
So they put it in the packet? Usually, yeah. 00:51:05
All right. Well, the good news is that's we were hoping to have it. 00:51:09
That week. 00:51:13
So be the right to be the 13th to be next week Friday. 00:51:14
Now wouldn't it? Wouldn't it be one more week in there meetings, the 17th? 00:51:22
Correct. Yeah. What is 1/3? 00:51:25
The third Tuesday, whatever the third Tuesday is. 00:51:30
So 1717. 00:51:32
So then that Friday before the 17, Friday the 13th, I looked at your website and I thought that you were. 00:51:34
Maybe I'm confusing a different? 00:51:44
A different. 00:51:47
It would be the. 00:51:49
OK. Yeah. Then. Then I'm not sure if we'll have that. 00:51:50
Timing wise for this month. 00:51:55
Just because the cost estimates, I want to make sure we have the good cost emits and everything that you're asking for. 00:51:57
But I will light a fire. 00:52:05
Understand this group and see if they can do it. 00:52:08
OK, OK. 00:52:11
And when when that goes in the packet for the county board meeting. 00:52:14
You will be there tonight at a county board meeting to. 00:52:18
Go through it. 00:52:21
Yes, OK. 00:52:22
Very good. 00:52:25
Yeah, I didn't think we could turn it that fast or not. 00:52:32
We'll see. 00:52:36
I had one of my first bosses used to say there's 24 hours in a day, feel free to use them. 00:52:39
While they've been waiting and waiting and I've been getting a lot of feedback from them because we have this big. 00:52:46
With our communications. 00:52:52
Yeah. And we're looking at, you know, maybe 2530 million on that. And people are saying, well, what's the building gonna cost? 00:52:54
Well, we don't know yet. You were waiting. 00:52:58
And they said, well, that has a lot to do with, you know, our communications thing down the road too, because. 00:53:03
We're looking at spending a lot of money down the road. 00:53:08
And you know. 00:53:11
They want to find out sooner than later on what? 00:53:13
What this? 00:53:16
Is going to result in, so. 00:53:17
You guys got any other questions? 00:53:26
For Brad. 00:53:28
Thank you very much for. 00:53:30
Coming tonight and. 00:53:32
Kind of a little an idea moving forward so. 00:53:36
Yeah, sorry it's taken so long, but there's just. 00:53:39
There's a lot of moving parts. Yeah, yeah. 00:53:42
And we did look at a lot of. 00:53:46
Other options that were not really out there when we first started this either. 00:53:47
And we've tried to cover all the bases and. 00:53:53
For your sake, we didn't give you all of those. 00:53:56
So, all right, thank you. Yeah, thank you. 00:54:00
All right, then let's move on. Number six, approve the request for jail improvement funds. You guys had that all in your packet. 00:54:04
John is asking for $3000 for some paint to do some painting in the jail and that. 00:54:10
He needs approval from us tonight to go ahead and. 00:54:16
With his plans so moved. 00:54:21
OK, I got a motion by. 00:54:24
Jeff, I'll second it. Seconded by Todd. 00:54:25
Any other discussion on it? 00:54:28
Not all in favor say aye. All right. Motions carried. 00:54:31
Courthouse rooftop chiller replacement. 00:54:38
OK, so that it is out forbid on the Internet. 00:54:42
We do have a walkthrough. 00:54:46
On the 10th. 00:54:48
So next week Tuesday at 1:00 PM, there is a mandatory walkthrough for anybody that's interested in bidding on that chiller 00:54:49
replacement. 00:54:52
And then the bid opening for that will be on March 24th at 11 AM. 00:54:56
Where are you going to have that at? 00:55:07
The bid opening will be in one A right across the hall. 00:55:10
Over here. 00:55:13
All right. Any questions on that? 00:55:19
From the committee. 00:55:21
Get quite a bit of interest for. 00:55:22
At this point, are you? I don't know. I know Surefire is interested, but I don't know any other ones. I do know that Train in 00:55:25
Madison wanted to bid on it and I don't know if they will or not, but they have expressed interest in it. 00:55:32
So we'll see if you got a few. 00:55:40
It's good to hear Brad say that. 00:55:43
The bidding is getting a lot more competitive out there and people are really sharpening their pencil because they need to work or 00:55:45
to fill their work up for the year. So hopefully that relates down in these next couple projects that we got going here so. 00:55:52
Absolutely. 00:56:00
Yep. All right. Then we'll go to 8 Clearview Concrete Patios project. 00:56:01
All right, Phil is going to show a couple pictures. Clearview is. 00:56:08
Is going to pour a couple of pads. 00:56:12
I outside there. 00:56:17
This is one that is going behind. 00:56:19
They're building more towards the back lot. 00:56:22
This is a 16 by 30 pavilion that they're going to have built there. We're going to pour a large concrete pad there to put this on. 00:56:25
And. 00:56:33
This is going to be constructed by the one of the shop classes at Beaver Dam High School. 00:56:34
So this is currently out to bid on the web. We had a mandatory walkthrough earlier in the week. 00:56:41
For bidders, we only had four contractors show up. I was hoping for more. 00:56:47
But four did show up and. 00:56:52
We will see what we get for. 00:56:55
Bids on that? 00:56:57
Just a concrete year. 00:57:01
But it'd be it's excavating and then your base gravel and then pouring the concrete. Concrete, OK. 00:57:03
With the other picture, John. 00:57:11
Yes, please, Phil. 00:57:12
So let me see here. 00:57:19
This is the. 00:57:23
This is the front carport entrance. There's going to be a smaller area here that they would like to do some things with residents 00:57:27
out front. 00:57:30
That. 00:57:35
This is currently some grass and a few shrubs. 00:57:36
That will be concreted. 00:57:40
And then the the big area where that pavilion is going to go is out the back here. 00:57:42
Between a couple of the wings and this whole area will be concreted in and that's where that pavilion will go back there. 00:57:48
Is there anything there now? 00:57:59
It just it's just grass, just tall grass, OK. 00:58:01
So we we do have the bid opening coming up soon on that and then we did request that it part of the bid package was that it be 00:58:06
done by April 20th. 00:58:11
I know that's pushing it, but we need to have enough time for the shop class to try to keep the constructed before school is out. 00:58:17
Oh yeah, OK. 00:58:24
The Beaver Dam shop class is also the one that constructed the fish cleaning station at Durgi Park. 00:58:29
Last summer. 00:58:36
Nice. 00:58:38
That's nice we get them involved. Who did the engineering on? 00:58:40
On this pavilion, then, is it? 00:58:44
It's a. 00:58:46
A kitten OK you buy the plans on the Internet OK and then you buy the plans and the. 00:58:47
The. 00:58:53
The plans have the complete. 00:58:55
Listing of supplies that you need. 00:58:58
And. 00:59:00
They had worked with the shop class over there and I think the. 00:59:02
I got it. You're not. 00:59:08
About 77 Seventy $800 worth of supplies. 00:59:12
Was the bid from Drexel? 00:59:16
On what it's going to take to do that, they have everything itemized out on the sheet here. 00:59:18
So. 00:59:24
So that is what is going on with the Clearview. 00:59:27
Patio project. 00:59:30
So I've been helping with that. I helped. 00:59:31
Trista get the specs for the concrete and all that so we could put it out to bid. 00:59:33
And that's where we're at. 00:59:38
OK, good. 00:59:41
Any other questions from the committee? 00:59:44
Tornado proof. 00:59:46
I don't know. 00:59:48
If you want to go on to the next one. 00:59:54
Clearview had a. 00:59:57
Pipe come apart right at the end of February, about 12:30 or so one morning. 00:59:58
On the second floor. 01:00:03
This is a second floor ceiling where they had to take the ceiling out because, well, the ceiling came down. 01:00:07
It did damage the drywall up above the ceiling. Also it was a cold water domestic line. 01:00:12
And if you want to go the next one, Phil? 01:00:18
This is down on the. 01:00:21
First floor. 01:00:23
You can see that it flooded some carpet. 01:00:24
And go on. 01:00:28
There's another one, Ricky, it actually got into. 01:00:30
This residents room up here, this was the one that was damaged the most. 01:00:33
They did RIP all the planking and everything out of there. 01:00:38
The wall and every the walls came out of there too. The drywall, everything was stripped right down to the insulated studs. 01:00:43
As they're redoing that. 01:00:50
A pipe freeze, is that what happened? It just can't. It was CPVC and the joint came apart. 01:00:52
This is the ceiling in that one room there. 01:00:58
So you can see there's some water. 01:01:02
Seepage up there. They also cut a hole in here. 01:01:05
And. 01:01:08
Currently they are in there with a lot of. 01:01:09
Blower fans and heaters and dehumidifiers. 01:01:13
Drying this all out and there's actually plastic tubing going up into this hole here. 01:01:16
To get above the ceiling to dry that whole area out up there. 01:01:21
So the restoration company was in right away the next day starting to do all the. 01:01:26
Clean up, remove drywall, remove carpet, flooring, whatever. 01:01:32
I think we got one more yet, Phil. 01:01:36
So they they. 01:01:38
Put a barrier up for this hallway here there's a zipper door, you just unzip that. You can go into there, but they do have this 01:01:42
separated out on the first floor. 01:01:46
Of that wing. So we're separated out and they are doing the. 01:01:50
Restoration work in there. 01:01:55
So the insurance company from the plumber on this project is the one that hired the. 01:01:57
The company to do the restoration work. 01:02:03
So that'll all be covered by Monona Plumbing's insurance company. 01:02:06
Did they have a place to go at all the residents? 01:02:13
Or how many were displayed displays ah. 01:02:15
Ed had a few that needed to go someplace else. 01:02:19
They did displace a few residents, but they did have additional rooms available to put them in temporarily. 01:02:26
OK, so. 01:02:32
They say it's only going to take two weeks. I think it's going to be closer to 3. 01:02:35
Before it's all said and done. 01:02:39
Just looking at it when I was up there on Tuesday, just the amount of work that has to be done. 01:02:42
By the time you do all your finished drywall work and painting and. 01:02:46
Then put your final. 01:02:50
Floor back down in your cold base and. 01:02:51
All that sort of thing. I think it's gonna be closer to three weeks, but. 01:02:55
When did this happen? 01:02:58
Let's see. 01:03:02
I got that here. 01:03:09
I think it was either the 22nd or the 23rd. 01:03:14
Of February, OK. 01:03:17
That's close enough. 01:03:20
Good that Monas. 01:03:22
Insurance is going to take care of it without a without a fight. 01:03:23
And I don't, I don't really understand how it could come apart. It did, obviously, but. 01:03:27
So that was all pressure tested with air up to I think 200 lbs before it was. 01:03:33
Approved for occupancy. 01:03:38
And you know your water pressure is only. 01:03:40
55 or so. Yeah, 4050. 01:03:43
Oh, that's weird. 01:03:46
But it did, it did come apart. Then they are covering the cost. 01:03:50
So. 01:03:55
That pipe separated, that wasn't part of the remodeling job. It was part of the remodeling job that they're doing. 01:04:01
OK, so it wasn't that older pipe then? 01:04:08
No, OK. 01:04:10
No couple months. 01:04:12
OK. 01:04:13
So yes, that's why Monona's insurance is covering cash. Is brand new part of the remodel assumption it was old? 01:04:17
I thought so too, yeah. 01:04:23
OK, that makes sense. 01:04:25
All right, then we'll move on to Clearview project update. 01:04:29
#9 that was it. That's it. Yep. 01:04:35
OK. 01:04:38
Then let's go to #10 Tornado damage update. 01:04:39
Two things I got on that I I wanted to get you guys pictures of doing the work on the impound building. 01:04:42
And I got over there today and. 01:04:49
They actually had it done. They were starting to clean up the lot. I did not get over there while they were working on it. 01:04:52
So. 01:04:57
But yeah, Jack Walters finished it up today and I said they were starting to do the lot cleanup. 01:04:59
The only thing that is not in done yet is the insulation is not blown back up into the ceiling yet. 01:05:06
OK. But otherwise all the exterior work is finished? 01:05:11
Nice, nice. 01:05:15
From my end, I got a call a couple weeks ago from Surefire. 01:05:18
That said that they still have not been able to obtain the damaged cooling coils for the rooftop units. 01:05:22
On the CBRF building at Henry Dodge. 01:05:29
They do not know when they're going to get them. The manufacturer has not given them a date when they're going to be available. 01:05:32
They ordered them last. 01:05:36
September. 01:05:41
Whenever it was and they still don't know. 01:05:42
So it's kind of disappointing. I know we'd like to get that insurance claim wrapped up on it, but. 01:05:46
At this point, Surefire does not know when they will get those from the manufacturer. 01:05:51
Before the eating. 01:05:58
Or before the hot weather for the cooling season. Yeah, the cooling season. 01:06:00
So that is the tornado damage update. 01:06:05
All right. Anybody any questions? 01:06:08
Then we'll move on to 11. 01:06:12
2526 budget update. You had that in your packet? 01:06:14
Any questions on that? 01:06:18
And just a little bit on 25, last week, I did finish up doing all the allocations for finance. 01:06:21
For what we spent on the CBRF and also for Human Services for repairs because those things get reimbursed to me and come back into 01:06:27
my budget. 01:06:32
So I got those spreadsheets last week from finance and I finished filling all those out. How those are all split? 01:06:37
And then? 01:06:43
They can do their calculations off of that. 01:06:43
And the only thing we got on the 26th budget is January and February were. 01:06:47
Pretty tough on the utilities because we paid some pretty high. 01:06:51
Premiums on the gas and electric. 01:06:55
Just based on the extremely cold weather that you know when they have to bring on. 01:06:58
The auxiliary power plants and the utility has to buy extra gas and things like that. So there is. 01:07:03
Some premiums on that, but. 01:07:09
We'll see how that goes throughout the year, but January and February, a little tough on the brutal for everybody. 01:07:12
Yeah. 01:07:18
All right, then we'll move on #12 Facility Director reports. 01:07:21
Building repairs and improvements. 01:07:27
All right. So last month I told you guys that we had a meeting with the representative from Johnson Controls to discuss our 01:07:29
chiller warranty. 01:07:33
And that went very well. 01:07:37
And. 01:07:38
The following week I did get a e-mail from them that said he was going to sit down and meet with some people from Johnson and try 01:07:40
to work this out. 01:07:44
I don't know what actually happened, but he's no longer with Johnson Controls. 01:07:49
Maybe they're related, maybe they're not, Anyway. 01:07:57
So I I got it and I did not coincidence. Anyway, past week I got an e-mail from another individual there that said he is the new. 01:08:00
Sales Rep for Johnson and he would like to meet with us. 01:08:08
So. 01:08:12
Kim and I did meet with him yesterday and we told him. 01:08:14
What is going on and what the whole issue is with this thing? So we're kind of starting over from scratch again. 01:08:18
With the warranty issue. 01:08:24
So. 01:08:27
Not sure where this is all going to end up, but. 01:08:29
We're still pursuing it. 01:08:31
Still going after him and. 01:08:33
Maybe we'll get some results, maybe we won't, I don't know. 01:08:36
No, but it's unfortunate that they had another personnel change there because the person we were dealing with. 01:08:39
We have dealt with many times over the years and with somebody that we're familiar with and. 01:08:46
Yeah, he kind of knew our situation here and. 01:08:51
Yeah. So where are we at with the warranty right now on it? 01:08:55
I mean is it under warranty up until believe it's under warranty? They say it's not. They say not. 01:08:58
They say that the freon leaks on the compressor are not. 01:09:05
Part of the compressor. It's just the fitting on the compressor. 01:09:10
That is their contention that it is not. 01:09:15
Part of the compressor. 01:09:17
Puts fitting on the compressor part of the chiller. 01:09:19
Yeah. So the compressor had a 66 month warranty in our warranty does not. 01:09:23
Expired till I think sometime in 29. I don't have the exact date right here. OK. 01:09:29
But. 01:09:34
When they're service tech, we we had the reports. I mean their service tech wrote it up that it wrote it up as 3 leaks on the 01:09:35
compressor. 01:09:39
Mm-hmm. And like I said, that is where we have this $6100 bill sitting out there from last September yet. 01:09:44
And another $7500 to finish fixing it. 01:09:53
So we're almost. 01:09:56
Up to $14,000 to fix something that we believe is under warranty. 01:09:58
On a new chiller. 01:10:02
OK. So Kim and I will keep pursuing that and. 01:10:09
I will update you again when I have something else to report on. 01:10:12
OK. 01:10:16
Good luck. 01:10:18
Last month I talked a little bit about we're going to do a little bit of remodeling project and land resources and parks. 01:10:22
I don't have a good picture before we started, but. 01:10:29
There was a area. These are all map drawers and it was AU shaped area. 01:10:32
These drawers here opened up to the interior as these along the wall did, so it was all made for. 01:10:38
All maps and plans. 01:10:44
And. 01:10:46
They would like to rearrange some of their people and they wanted this as a work cubicle, but they still wanted this counter here. 01:10:47
So. 01:10:56
Be said we could do something with that so you can Scroll down Phil. 01:10:57
You'll go all the way to the bottom. Yep. 01:11:04
So we we started taking this all apart. 01:11:08
This was the sub base that the cabinets were all on. 01:11:11
You can see. 01:11:15
When those were built in there, there was no. 01:11:16
Carpeting underneath the cabinets and the carpeting here was very worn, so we cut that all away. 01:11:19
The radiator was behind those cabinets, so there was no cover on the radiators here at all. 01:11:26
And it went all the way up to the top window sill. So there was nothing here. This beam was all opened up here. 01:11:32
So we had some work to do once we took the cabinets out. 01:11:39
And if you want to go down, Phil? 01:11:43
That's another shot of that. 01:11:48
This is the big open area and. 01:11:52
We will show a couple more pictures of that, but. 01:11:58
We were able to take some cubicles out of this area here where this is their survey and description area, there was cubicles here. 01:12:00
And he is moving. 01:12:09
A couple staff down here and they wanted a meeting area so we were able to take those cubicles out. 01:12:12
Put some tables and chairs in there, clean the floor all up real nice and make them a meeting area in this area. 01:12:17
Then if you can, go to the other one, Phil. 01:12:24
Because I don't think there's anymore here. 01:12:28
Whether or not. 01:12:30
So in LRP this is we bought some. 01:12:35
Transition stripping at Menards we bought carpet squares. 01:12:40
And we carpeted this area all in for them. 01:12:43
And we boxed in the beam here, did all the drywall. 01:12:46
And. 01:12:51
That's after the drywall is in, the radiator covers are all in. 01:12:54
The. 01:12:59
Chorion trim underneath the windowsill was all put in. 01:13:00
And. 01:13:06
The counter was turned around. These drawers opened up the other way. 01:13:07
And now they open this way. They wanted this counter yet, because when they have any luncheon or something like that, that was 01:13:11
their only counter space in the whole department. 01:13:14
So. 01:13:19
We moved in some. 01:13:21
Cubicle walls. 01:13:24
And. 01:13:26
That's the way it looks right now. 01:13:27
And that's their work cubicle. 01:13:31
Nice. 01:13:33
So we were able to turn that around in four days. 01:13:34
Wow, please. 01:13:37
Looks good. 01:13:38
Very professional. That included painting the walls also there. 01:13:40
So Bill was very happy with that, that he can move a person into that area that they were not using in the past and. 01:13:46
It got these cubicles out of that other area, so we could open that up for a table and chairs conference area down there. 01:13:52
And everybody was happy. 01:13:59
So this is the cubicles that was in the other area you just reused all further, Yes, no kidding, looks nice. 01:14:02
Very good job. 01:14:10
We could just have you guys revamp this building space for everybody. Why are we? 01:14:17
Now that this is enough, we're good with that. We've never revamped an old building. 01:14:26
I've done too many of them. 01:14:33
You want to go to the. 01:14:35
The pod Glenn Bill. Yeah. The other thing we got going on right now, we're in the middle of our annual pod cleaning in the jail. 01:14:36
This will last until about the 19th of March. 01:14:43
And. 01:14:47
I'm going to show some pictures here. This is so when we go into our plumbing chases and this you can see that we had some some 01:14:49
leakage and stuff so. 01:14:53
The guys took this all out. 01:14:57
They they take it back to the shop, they rebuild that all. 01:14:59
So what this thing is? This is a controller that's in the plumbing chases. They're little V shaped thing between two cells. This 01:15:03
serves 2 cells. 01:15:07
So you have a hot. 01:15:11
Supply line and a cold supply line. 01:15:13
And when they? 01:15:16
Push the button in their cell. There's a little. 01:15:18
Air tube that goes on to here. There's little air diaphragms in these black boxes. 01:15:22
So when this guy pushes that on there, it either opens the cold or he pushes the button for the hot. 01:15:26
And it comes out the center pipe and it goes through a little hose right through his. 01:15:32
Cell Faucet. 01:15:37
So you have one for one cell, and you've got a hot and a cold set for the other cell. 01:15:39
As that's in a chase like that. 01:15:45
And then these little brass things here, these are timers. 01:15:47
And you can adjust that how fast it bleeds the air off the diaphragm. So if you want that faucet to run for. 01:15:51
10 seconds, 15 seconds, 30 seconds or whatever, you just turn the screw on the. 01:15:57
On that brass. 01:16:02
Module there and that adjusts how fast the air bleeds off the diagram and how long the water shoots out of his sink. 01:16:05
In his cell. 01:16:10
Bing Waterfall. 01:16:15
That's another. 01:16:17
One has all corroded up. 01:16:18
Right here Hector is working on a push button for his a toilet right underneath them there so that they push the button on the 01:16:23
wall. 01:16:27
And they had a problem with this one that you go to the next one. 01:16:31
So the other guy is on the backside of the wall. 01:16:35
Where the the there's a metal rod that goes all the way through there. It hits a flush valve on the backside of the wall there and 01:16:38
he was working on that flush valve on the backside. So it takes two people to. 01:16:43
Work on that. You have one in the cell and one in the plumbing. Chase back there. 01:16:49
And this is a different type of a cell. This is one for a porcelain thing, but you can see where we had leakage and stuff on 01:16:55
there. So we take that whole thing all off, take it back to the shop, do a complete rebuild kit on the plungers and O rings and 01:17:00
everything in there. 01:17:04
Bring it back to the pipe chase and and put it back together. 01:17:08
So that's kind of what we do during pod cleaning besides all our our cleaning. 01:17:12
This is each cell has a. 01:17:18
Exhaust duct where the air goes out of the cell out to the exhaust fan on the roof. 01:17:22
This module here is where the smoke detector would get bolted onto. 01:17:27
We take all those off. 01:17:31
Go to the next month, Bill. You can see how dirty and it's all full of dust and lint and whatever inside there. We vacuum all this 01:17:34
stuff out. 01:17:37
And this is a smoke detector head that came out of there. You can see how much. 01:17:42
Lint and all that dirt. As we take that all off, we totally disassemble the head. 01:17:45
Blow it all out with compressed air and then put it all back together and then mount it back in the ductwork. 01:17:50
So we do that for each cell every year in the jail. 01:17:56
How many cells? 01:18:01
A lot. 01:18:04
Is there a lot of them? 01:18:06
There's close to 200 cells in the recipe bunks. 01:18:08
Jeez, that takes quite a while to do all that. Then it did about six weeks. 01:18:12
About six weeks. 01:18:17
You can see here this is one of the areas where we're starting to get some flaking paint and stuff that we want to take care of. 01:18:18
We see another one where it's coming out of a joint in a corner here. 01:18:28
And you can see above this sink here. It's starting to come off the wall. 01:18:34
We have done some painting over the years, not a lot. 01:18:38
Though most of the jail, probably 3/4 of it, is original paint yet which is now 25 years old. 01:18:41
We are starting to get more. 01:18:52
This is a supply grate in a cell steel grate. 01:18:53
We are starting to get more this type of rust and stuff on there, so we have to take that and sand that all the way down. 01:18:57
And then reprime it and then repaint it. 01:19:03
It's too bad that those weren't stainless steel or something. They are all black iron and they are starting to rust, so that is 01:19:07
getting to be something that we're spending more time on. 01:19:11
This one with the tile wall there that is actually a shower. 01:19:16
Exhaust vent. 01:19:19
Where it sucks the moisture out of the shower and you can see how that one's. 01:19:21
Getting rusty too. 01:19:26
The reason we were asking for up to $3000 for the jail improvement fund for painting. 01:19:28
You can see here this is. 01:19:34
Something that was. 01:19:36
Kind of splattered, thrown on the wall, it's up higher. 01:19:38
The guys have washed the walls but it just doesn't come clean anymore. So it's it's a day room that needs to be repainted in the 01:19:41
jail. 01:19:45
There's another one up here. Yeah, next to the phones, this, this looks terrible. But what this is? 01:19:52
Is. 01:19:58
Over the years when people have been on the phone, they they like the doodle a little bit on the. 01:19:59
Wall with a pencil or whatever, but. 01:20:04
This is from scrubbing these walls over the years that the paint is just plain worn right through. 01:20:07
So we're getting down to the the block. 01:20:13
And so this is an area that has not been repainted. It's it's 25 years old and it's time to paint because most jails. 01:20:17
If they can get 10 years before painting, they're doing pretty good. 01:20:23
Are you better off painting now all black around the phones? No Use a pre catalyzed enamel and it's a very hard glossy surface. 01:20:26
And. 01:20:36
It becomes out very well. 01:20:36
So that is why we were requesting some of the areas to be repainted because we wanted to look like it should. 01:20:40
This is underneath a pencil sharpener area and you can see when you get the stuff on the. 01:20:47
Floor. 01:20:53
From the inmates mopping and things like that. Eventually it does get into the wax and things like that, so we have to go back 01:20:54
through here. 01:20:58
Strip this tile floor down and then rewax it and then it'll. 01:21:01
It'll look like it should again. 01:21:05
But you can see on the walls there also there was some. 01:21:08
That need to be painted. 01:21:10
Occasionally we get some. 01:21:12
Plug vents. We don't get a lot of them, but we do get some inmates that like to. 01:21:14
If you use toilet paper and toothpaste they you can plug those up pretty good. 01:21:19
And you have to poke all those out and then. 01:21:23
We cut access holes in the back and the ductwork there and we opened the ductwork back up and then we suck everything back out 01:21:26
when they shop back. But. 01:21:30
That does happen. 01:21:35
Not a lot, but it does happen. 01:21:36
And you can also get toothpaste mixed with toilet paper, stuck on light fixtures, things like that. So we do clean all those 01:21:39
fixtures while we're going through the jail every year also. 01:21:44
And we do get graffiti and things in the cells. Not a lot, but some. 01:21:51
And. 01:21:56
The whole point of this is if you keep everything looking clean. 01:21:57
It's not so much. 01:22:01
It's not. 01:22:03
Looked at. That's acceptable to do that, you know. 01:22:04
If your whole jail and all your cells look like that, well then people just keep writing all the time. 01:22:07
Yeah. But if you keep it looking the way it's supposed to, there's, there's less of this happening. So. 01:22:11
We go through, we do clean all that off, we use remover, clean all that stuff off. 01:22:16
And then? 01:22:21
You can see somebody was writing a. 01:22:23
Novel or a letter to home or whatever they were writing. 01:22:25
Here's some more. 01:22:30
But when we are done, that's the way the walls look. 01:22:33
When we got them cleaned up. 01:22:36
You can see it that's a little bit more shiny Glossier paint and that's. 01:22:38
That is that pre catalyzed the enamel that we we use in the cells. 01:22:42
And that's the last one. That's the last one. So that is our cleaning that we do every year in February and March before our 01:22:50
annual ice inspection in April. 01:22:55
So it does take pretty much my whole staff and it is six weeks worth of time, but it. 01:23:01
It's something that we do every year just to keep it looking like it supposed maintained. Yeah, sure. 01:23:06
I could see why you get high remarks from your ice. 01:23:11
Team when they go through a tool. 01:23:14
Because you always got. 01:23:16
Good positive reports from them saying that it looks like it was built yesterday to jail. 01:23:17
So I could see why you guys take good care of it. And I said that's why we were asking for that money for paint. So we have those 01:23:23
areas spruce back up and looking good also. 01:23:27
You know that Sherwin Willet Williams product is. 01:23:31
Yep, it's not cheap, but it's very good paint. 01:23:35
So what do we got next? 01:23:43
Operations update. 01:23:45
Good news, we were able to finally fill our open custodial position yesterday. Phil hired A custodian yesterday. 01:23:48
This has been open since October 20th. 01:23:55
So it's. 01:23:57
Good to finally get somebody and they will be starting on Thursday the 19th of March. 01:23:58
But we're pretty excited about that. 01:24:03
Nice. 01:24:05
As soon as we're done with. 01:24:08
Pod Cleaning will be providing contractor escort for the jail as they are creating their inmate phone system. 01:24:10
They're changing vendors. We've had the same vendor for over 20 years and now they're changing to a. 01:24:16
New vendor for their inmate phones. 01:24:21
So we'll be starting three days per week. They'll be working on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays and. 01:24:24
We'll be starting with that as soon as pipe cleaning is finished, will be escorting. 01:24:33
And helping with that. 01:24:37
The jail will be providing one person and we will be providing one person. They'll have two teams going. 01:24:39
And between US and the jail and it, we're going to make this whole project work and get this. 01:24:45
Completed as soon as possible. 01:24:50
It does require pulling some more. 01:24:53
CAT5 data cables and other things like that for some wireless. 01:24:56
Receivers. We need additional wireless receivers in some areas. 01:25:00
And together, all three of us will make that all happen. 01:25:03
John, can I ask you where you guys advertise that you guys find help? 01:25:09
I mean, we've been advertising for our. 01:25:13
Position for our village and we can't get no applicants to apply it. I don't know where to go. I don't know where HR all put. They 01:25:15
put it out on the county's website. They put it out on indeed. 01:25:21
And I don't know, do you know? 01:25:26
Job net, job net. I guess that'd be a question for Tanya and HR. I don't know where she all advertises, but the the county has 01:25:30
certain areas where they. 01:25:34
Put stuff out at Jeff. Where do you guys advertise when you're looking for people are we've used indeed in the past we did tool. 01:25:39
And you got to pay for that every month and. 01:25:46
We just have no bites from it. And I just, you know, I'm running into a dead end. It's like my kids put it on Facebook's, on 01:25:50
Facebook. 01:25:53
OK. 01:25:57
Yeah, I'll give, I'll give Tanya a call once and find out because like I said, we're not having any luck and summers coming up and 01:25:59
I got up. 01:26:02
I got to get somebody there, but. 01:26:06
OK, the only other thing I got is we're trying to save a little money on utilities. So yesterday I shut the boilers down in J Pod. 01:26:08
We've never shut them down this early in the year. I don't think they're off for good. But if we do get below freezing weather, we 01:26:17
will turn them back on. But as long as we have these above freezing temperatures, they will remain off and we will just. 01:26:23
Save the gas and electric. 01:26:29
Cooper Yeah. 01:26:31
Well. 01:26:33
And that's my report. 01:26:35
All right. You guys got any questions for him? 01:26:37
Do you guys have any future agenda items you want to see on for next month? 01:26:41
Otherwise, we'll just leave it up to John and. 01:26:47
Well, I suppose if the. 01:26:50
Report isn't going to be done. 01:26:52
We want Brad to come back next month to talk to us before we goes to the full board or. 01:26:54
That would be nice, yeah. 01:26:59
Yeah. You would like to see it before that, yes, Yeah. 01:27:00
Yeah. 01:27:03
Yeah, I don't know. 01:27:08
We should really put something in there if it's not going to be done for this next meeting. 01:27:10
Let the supervisors know that it ain't getting done for this next meeting, but we will have something. 01:27:14
The following month participated being done for right because they are very getting very antsy. 01:27:20
And yeah. 01:27:25
So if we could, you know, if he doesn't have it done, Cameron would make that known in his weekly letter that he sends out. 01:27:27
Even even if they take the report that you guys consider not the full report and all the one that you just gave us here and then 01:27:34
maybe just amend it and say this options all with this options. 01:27:40
Because that's got a lot of information in it anyway. 01:27:46
All right, then we got to determine our next meeting date and time. So what's the? 01:27:51
April 2nd. 01:27:55
April 2nd. 01:27:56
I believe that is correct. 01:27:58
OK, at 4:00 everybody's OK with yet? 01:28:00
Yes. All right, that's fun. We'll meet then all the. 01:28:07
I'll declare the meeting adjourned at 5:29. 01:28:11
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Before work, so we'll just give a couple of minutes here to make sure. 00:00:00
The sound is on. 00:00:05
All right, I called the building committee meeting the order. 00:01:02
Roll call Non committee supervisor attendance has been taken. 00:01:05
We have no public comment today. 00:01:10
Approval of the minutes from February 5th. 00:01:13
2026 you all had a copy of them in your packet. 00:01:16
So moved second motion by. 00:01:21
Jeff, seconded by Randy. 00:01:24
Steve. OK, Seconded by Steve. 00:01:28
Any any discussion or corrections on them? 00:01:30
Hearing none all in favor say aye. 00:01:34
Aye. Motion carried. 00:01:36
OK, the master plan update. 00:01:39
Brad. 00:01:45
Laura's ears. 00:01:46
All right. 00:01:51
So for those who don't Remember Me, I'm Brad Kwasny with Venture Architects. 00:01:53
And. 00:02:00
Since the last time I was. 00:02:01
Here, I mean, I'll start by saying we're not going to just rehash everything in that. 00:02:04
Draft that I hand that we distributed. 00:02:09
Most everything that's in there we've already discussed. The only thing that wasn't. 00:02:12
Really discussed prior. 00:02:17
To now is we had looked at the old Dodge County office building adjacent to the highway department. 00:02:19
To see if that had any viability. 00:02:27
We but. 00:02:33
Got a tour from the owner. 00:02:34
John and I and and Cameron. 00:02:37
And. 00:02:39
Corey from my office. 00:02:41
We went through. 00:02:42
Looked at the conditions of everything. It's in various stages of demolition. 00:02:45
To kind of work and from the top down. 00:02:50
So top floor is pretty well. 00:02:52
Every all the interior walls are wiped out. 00:02:55
Third floors got a few more walls left and just, you know, progressively as you go down. 00:02:58
Most of the walls in there are. 00:03:04
Concrete block. 00:03:06
There's large. 00:03:07
Precast concrete columns. I think there's. 00:03:10
Eight of them in the middle of the floor. So once every all the walls are gone, they're still I think 8 columns. 00:03:13
In the middle of everything. 00:03:19
We've we've assessed the floor plan. 00:03:21
To see. 00:03:24
You know, can what departments we could move there. 00:03:26
To see what could be done. 00:03:29
Because the one of the options was looking at picking build you know the offices that are. 00:03:32
In this building and move them over there, then renovating this. 00:03:38
And then bringing. 00:03:42
Henry Dodge offices over here to see if that would work. 00:03:44
And there is the space to do it. 00:03:47
Everything that's here that we would want to move. 00:03:50
Could move. We would leave the county board. 00:03:54
Here. 00:03:56
We would leave. 00:03:57
John here. 00:03:58
And. 00:04:00
We would probably. 00:04:01
The way that would make the most sense is you. 00:04:02
Temporarily relocate. 00:04:05
Veteran services and then bring them back. 00:04:06
Because it makes more sense to. 00:04:09
Keep them in this building. 00:04:11
With some of the departments that would be coming over. 00:04:13
Just they, they just work together better. So all the other departments that we would look to move. 00:04:15
They do fit. 00:04:22
And they do fit in a way that. 00:04:24
No individual department would be split up so it's on two floors. 00:04:26
The adjacencies aren't. 00:04:32
Spectacular. 00:04:33
You know, some departments that work closely with others might have to be on different floors. 00:04:35
And there's very little room. 00:04:40
For you know. 00:04:43
If you're going to expand something. 00:04:46
You know, we'd have to be. 00:04:50
Where certain floors want to be where they fit well. 00:04:52
Those might be departments that would expand. 00:04:56
Before others and they don't necessarily work on the ground floor. 00:04:58
And it's really hard to expand a third floor. 00:05:02
So. 00:05:06
Looking at that building. 00:05:07
Is it? 00:05:09
Is it viable? 00:05:09
You could do it. 00:05:13
Do I think it's a good long term solution? I don't. 00:05:14
I just, I don't think it is. We looked at it, I just. 00:05:18
I don't think. 00:05:21
The best way for you to spend money. 00:05:23
I think it would kind of get you back into the situation where you are now, where? 00:05:25
You know everyone in this building. 00:05:30
Is is where they are because. 00:05:32
They moved. 00:05:34
Three or four or five times who know and and this is just where they fit. 00:05:35
And and and people have done it. 00:05:40
There's a good bit of work that's been done to try and keep adjacencies where they can. 00:05:42
But they don't always work. 00:05:47
I just, I just don't think that that building is. 00:05:49
Really viable. 00:05:52
So with that said. 00:05:56
I've handed out. 00:05:58
Some stuff. 00:06:00
The first thing I want. 00:06:02
To just point out is I've got this, the aerial. 00:06:03
The area that is shaded in kind of that bluish color. 00:06:09
Up around the. 00:06:13
The Henry Dodge building. 00:06:14
All of that is your property, that is. 00:06:16
Where you could build something. 00:06:20
So in these options that I want to go through from the the draft of the master plan, when I say there's room on. 00:06:21
The Henry Dodge site. 00:06:29
It's in that area. 00:06:31
Where it all fits and and. 00:06:33
Yeah. So I know a lot of people when I would say that. 00:06:36
The Henry Dodge site. 00:06:39
They're not including in their head that. 00:06:41
Farm Field. 00:06:43
To the north of it, but that is your property and so I just want to make sure everyone understands that that is also part of it. 00:06:44
So there's also a small area. 00:06:51
Of blue. 00:06:55
Sort of to the the southeast of. 00:06:57
Clearview. 00:07:00
That I have. 00:07:01
Highlighted. 00:07:02
When I talk about. 00:07:04
In the in that master plan. 00:07:06
A place where you could relocate the men's group home. 00:07:08
That's a spot where that would probably fit pretty nicely. 00:07:12
And then the other thing that's highlighted in red, that is the tornado damaged. 00:07:16
Evidence. 00:07:20
Building. 00:07:22
And then that. 00:07:23
That. 00:07:24
Outlined boxes your your vehicle evidence. 00:07:26
Storage yard. 00:07:29
So. 00:07:30
Anytime I'm referring to something about, you know, where it might go just. 00:07:31
That's what this map is all about. 00:07:36
So. 00:07:40
Focusing on just a handful of pages in the in the. 00:07:42
Master Plan. 00:07:47
I'm going to start with going to page. 00:07:49
15. 00:07:53
The options. 00:07:54
So once we get to. 00:07:57
You know, page. 00:07:59
16 where we start with option 12345. 00:08:00
You know, that's very specific to a. 00:08:04
A couple of buildings. 00:08:07
You know, basically this building. 00:08:08
And. 00:08:10
And Henry Dodge and moving those parts. 00:08:11
But in addition to the 2 main buildings, there's other buildings that. 00:08:15
Should be addressed. 00:08:20
And should be considered as part of this now. 00:08:21
How you want to prioritize those? 00:08:24
That that's your business, but it's things that should be. 00:08:26
Addressed. 00:08:30
And put somewhere in your plan. 00:08:32
I first being. 00:08:36
Let's talk about the the old. 00:08:40
The Abandoned. 00:08:43
Jail buildings. 00:08:44
Basically they're they're really used for at the lower level some vehicle storage. 00:08:48
And and and at the upper levels it's it's. 00:08:55
Some sheriff training. 00:08:58
There's a little bit of storage in the buildings. 00:09:00
I probably very underutilized also. 00:09:03
It would be very expensive to renovate. 00:09:07
Those spaces just because of. 00:09:11
The construction of a jail. 00:09:13
Even tearing it down. 00:09:16
Is expensive. 00:09:17
Because they're just. They're solid. 00:09:18
But renovating it? 00:09:21
Would would be quite costly. 00:09:23
So. 00:09:25
To that end, I would. 00:09:26
My recommendation? 00:09:28
Would be that it probably makes the most sense to. 00:09:31
Pair those old portions of the jail down. 00:09:34
Which could then lead to a nice place. 00:09:37
For a new medical examiner building. 00:09:40
Your your medical examiner has. 00:09:42
Very poor facilities. 00:09:45
Is spread out. 00:09:47
Three different locations and two different buildings. 00:09:49
It's it's, it's pretty tough. He could, he could use a better. 00:09:52
Building, I know. 00:09:57
You don't do your own autopsies here. Those get. 00:10:00
Shipped out. 00:10:03
But just the nature of the medical examiner. 00:10:04
You know, currently you have. 00:10:08
Facilities in the Henry Dodge building that. 00:10:11
Sometimes the work that he can do is a is a bit limited based on. 00:10:15
Is the building open? And there's the public roaming through the building? 00:10:19
Because sometimes you can't really. 00:10:24
Transport a decedent from one of the coolers. 00:10:25
To the examination area. 00:10:28
Because there's people there. 00:10:30
It's it's a, it's a very. 00:10:32
It's it's a. 00:10:35
It's a building function that should have some privacy. 00:10:36
But it should also be located very near the sheriff because they work. 00:10:38
Pretty closely, hand in hand. 00:10:42
So that would be an area where where it would be a nice fit. 00:10:44
To put something there. 00:10:47
So then with. 00:10:52
If you do eventually tear those. 00:10:55
Buildings down those old jail buildings you do need a place to put. 00:10:57
The sheriff's equipment, the the vehicles. 00:11:01
And you do have. 00:11:05
A bigger need than what you can accommodate right now, because obviously you have. 00:11:06
Vehicles that are just parked outside all the time. 00:11:11
If you take. 00:11:16
The need for having. 00:11:17
A building. 00:11:19
For the sheriff's vehicles. 00:11:21
And the fact? 00:11:23
That you're. 00:11:24
Current evidence storage building is tornado damaged. 00:11:25
And there's work to be done. It is repaired. It is fully repaired. Yep, that's an update since the last time you were here. OK. 00:11:29
It's that evidence storage building probably isn't in the. 00:11:37
Best location? 00:11:40
It would probably be an area that the highway department would love to have that area back. 00:11:44
You could build a joint structure. 00:11:48
For the sheriff's. 00:11:51
Vehicles. 00:11:53
And the sheriff's evidence that would be divided between the two, you know, there's a divider between the two. 00:11:54
Because evidence should have a very limited number of people who can go in there. 00:11:58
And there's an area that you could put. 00:12:02
An expanded vehicle evidence yard. 00:12:05
Because there's some, it's a little undersized for what they need. 00:12:08
But that could go out in, you know, this, this blue area out here. 00:12:11
Somewhere near the. 00:12:15
The water tower. 00:12:18
There would be space to do that. 00:12:19
And feel free to jump in with questions as we go through this. I just do like we did last time, where it's kind of free flowing. 00:12:23
Do you know how many square foot the medical examiner needs? 00:12:29
I not, I have not really assessed that. 00:12:35
I've done a few medical examiner buildings but those have been performing. 00:12:41
Autopsies. 00:12:45
So they have autopsy suites and they have. 00:12:47
You know, tissue. 00:12:50
Donation rooms and. 00:12:51
Those are bigger than what you would need. 00:12:53
So once, so once they took jpod down with. 00:12:56
Would there be more? 00:12:59
Space needed that you could have parking where that. 00:13:00
There would absolutely be additional space over there and then you would plan to do parking with that if you did that there. 00:13:03
I would say that we wouldn't take any options off the table. 00:13:09
You know. 00:13:14
We could. We could figure out what kind of spatial needs the Emmy would have. 00:13:15
And then whatever is leftover, you know, maybe there's another function that. 00:13:19
That makes sense there. 00:13:24
You said buildings the J pod and is in another building besides J pod. 00:13:27
It's kind of. 00:13:33
It's there's an older portion in a newer portion. Yeah, two. I kind of look at it like 2 separate. 00:13:35
Structures. 00:13:39
OK, just because they're. 00:13:40
Built at different times. 00:13:42
But once that all comes down. 00:13:43
There is more space than than what the medical examiner would. 00:13:46
Would take up. 00:13:50
You know they would basically need a Sally port for bringing in a vehicle. 00:13:51
They would need. 00:13:55
A reasonable examination room. 00:13:56
They would need. 00:14:01
Freezer cooler. 00:14:03
Probably cooler. 00:14:04
I don't know if a freezer is. 00:14:07
We, I mean, we could talk about Fraser needs, but. 00:14:09
You know it, it would be pretty limited. 00:14:13
But. 00:14:16
I just think it's a better. 00:14:17
Function to be either stand alone or. 00:14:19
Attached to a sheriff under, you know. 00:14:22
Perfect circumstances. 00:14:24
Is there any way you can get a ballpark square footage for the board meeting? 00:14:26
For a medical examiner's office, sure. 00:14:30
Sure. 00:14:33
I would. 00:14:35
Probably. 00:14:36
Just need to talk to the Emmy and just say what you what your needs are. Then I could put some square footages to it. 00:14:39
So you're saying? 00:14:48
Takedown the old jail. 00:14:49
Yep, and. 00:14:51
You would build a medical examiner's office over there and then you would also bring the. 00:14:54
The building that they use for. 00:15:01
Evidence and all that. 00:15:05
You would put that over there too and the vehicle storage? No, no, I would say talking to vehicle storage and the evidence thing 00:15:06
going up by the water Dodge, Yep, by the water tower. 00:15:10
OK, so that would be totally separate from totally the Sheriff's Department and Yep, so them guys, they'd have to go up there. 00:15:15
And get their vehicle and then. 00:15:22
Whatever they'd be storing, yeah, like if they need to do. 00:15:24
You know, get their boat or whatever they need to get. 00:15:28
Would would be. 00:15:31
Off off site a little farther. I mean, we could look to see what kind of. 00:15:33
Space would be leftover. Can you you know how much can you store? 00:15:37
And and it would be. It would be great if it would all fit. 00:15:41
But it is a little bit of a sliver of property, so I don't want to. 00:15:45
Make any promises and say that you definitely can do it. 00:15:48
Yeah. 00:15:52
You're not talking. 00:15:54
Indoor storage for all the squad cars net are you or? 00:15:57
No. OK. No, not. Not necessarily, no. 00:16:01
Just for their stuff, like their boat and all the stuff that they have. 00:16:04
He's looking for something for his mobile command center, his spot unit. 00:16:08
His MRAP. 00:16:13
OK. Yeah, because I think those are at highway departments are currently at highway and they would kind of like. 00:16:15
To have that, sure. 00:16:20
But the squads and all that would still be. 00:16:22
Park the way they park them now. 00:16:25
There wouldn't be nothing that changes with that. 00:16:27
I don't there there could be some indoor space. 00:16:31
Their squads, if they're they're getting some new ones that they're retrofitting something, yeah. 00:16:33
You know you don't want to. 00:16:38
Cut yourself short, but right. 00:16:40
You know, and and when I when I say that, you know. 00:16:42
You might have another function you could do alongside the Emmy at that location. 00:16:45
You know. 00:16:49
Maybe it's a small maintenance garage for the vehicles. Maybe it you know it, there's just just things that. 00:16:50
That could be done that. 00:16:56
You know. 00:16:58
As you go through the process. 00:16:58
He'll say, hey, you know what would be great? 00:17:00
What if we looked at this? 00:17:02
Because I'm not saying that I've thought of every single possibility that you could. 00:17:04
You could do out this is this is a big picture that's going to get you on a path. 00:17:08
To where you want to go for years down the road. 00:17:14
Would that would that evidence storage be a place where they could put that brine system that they're talking about? 00:17:16
The brine system would go into highway lot. 00:17:23
Oh, where yes, he's looking at right there, because that is close to. 00:17:26
The water main that is out by the street. 00:17:30
So he is looking at. 00:17:33
The brain system in that area. 00:17:35
There could they use that evidence storage for that? 00:17:37
Brain system? I don't know. I've only seen one and I don't. 00:17:41
Know that would really. 00:17:45
Suit for what they're looking for. I've only seen one brine system. 00:17:46
Previously. 00:17:49
Anything else so far? 00:17:57
For the corner for like future reference. 00:17:59
Wouldn't it be more realistic to give the corner? 00:18:02
More room than what you're thinking. So in the future, if they did want to do autopsies, they could do them here instead of ship 00:18:05
them out. You know what I'm saying? You know what would? 00:18:10
Be the thing we would probably look at doing. 00:18:15
Would be. 00:18:18
Planning. 00:18:19
In figuring out, you know, if you wanted to do if, if they were going to decide to do autopsies and not ship them out somewhere 00:18:21
down the road. 00:18:24
Plan for an expansion. 00:18:28
So that everything could be here and then you could expand here and that would accommodate everything. 00:18:30
Not that we build something and all of a sudden 10 years down the road they want to change something so they can do autopsies here 00:18:35
and all of a sudden you can't because we didn't build it correctly at the time. 00:18:39
Yeah. So I wouldn't want you. 00:18:44
The part of the the Medical Examiner building. 00:18:47
Where the autopsies are done is. 00:18:50
Is there's a lot of technology and it's it's a very expensive. 00:18:53
Thing to put up. 00:18:58
I I mean you could box out. 00:19:01
Like just a white box. 00:19:03
That you could do. 00:19:04
But if you never go ahead with. 00:19:06
Decided to do autopsies. Space. It's wasted space. 00:19:08
Because you would you would need. 00:19:12
A pathologist. 00:19:13
And pathologists are. 00:19:15
Very hard to come by. 00:19:17
Every year there's more that retire than join the profession. 00:19:20
So. 00:19:24
It's a tricky 1. 00:19:24
But it it. 00:19:27
Can be done. I know Marathon County just hired 2 of them within the last year. 00:19:28
You know when we did there? 00:19:33
New facility so it can be done. 00:19:34
But. 00:19:37
I would rather. 00:19:39
Look at it like. 00:19:41
Give you the space to be able to expand the building. 00:19:42
In a way that makes a lot of sense. 00:19:45
So that's somewhere down the road. 00:19:48
You can do the room would. 00:19:50
Area would be there exactly changes 20 years yeah so so like if you said you know would do the Emmy here. 00:19:51
And then we might do this other. 00:19:58
Thing over there. 00:20:00
Give yourself the room to expand the Medical examiner building so that that other building isn't in the way of the space you would 00:20:02
need. 00:20:05
So you can't expand the building. 00:20:09
Sure. 00:20:11
Is the vehicle storage building out by the water tower, is that going to be too far away from other Sheriff's Department functions 00:20:15
do you think there? 00:20:19
Has that been having talked to the sheriff? 00:20:23
He was. 00:20:26
Happier. 00:20:27
What the concept of having all of his vehicles in one spot? 00:20:29
As opposed to, you know, we have a couple over here and a couple over there. 00:20:34
And it's not. 00:20:37
Terribly far, but I mean. 00:20:40
Yes, if you're looking you, you need the boat for a rescue. You need the boat quickly. 00:20:42
But again, it's it's not. 00:20:49
It's not 15 miles down the road. They'll get there quickly. 00:20:51
Is it? Is it optimal? I mean, it would. 00:20:56
They'd rather have it attached to their space, but. 00:20:58
The space. 00:21:02
There's there's no room on the site for that. 00:21:02
Any other questions? The old Ford garage? 00:21:08
For that space. 00:21:12
Was there anybody in there there? 00:21:14
Just across from the. 00:21:16
From the courthouse. 00:21:17
Somebody I believe didn't purchase it again last year. It's been sold a couple of times since the building committee looked at it 00:21:20
and they did spend a lot of money on the roof and tuck pointing on it so. 00:21:25
I didn't want to bring that up either, but that was also an idea that I had. 00:21:32
And had been talking with supervisor. 00:21:37
Cucumber about it and. 00:21:40
I mean, you got parking right there. 00:21:42
We have parking lot that's not even being used over there. 00:21:44
And if you put. 00:21:48
If you put the administration build in there. 00:21:50
And you went. 00:21:54
For high 4 stores or three storeys, whatever. 00:21:55
You got all the parking you need right there. 00:21:59
And I don't know how far that lot goes. 00:22:01
To the West, to that house, but there's a big open lot right next to it. 00:22:05
Where are you talking, Randy? 00:22:11
The A1. 00:22:12
Dealer over here. 00:22:14
Right across the board dealer, The old Ford dealer. Is it that big? 00:22:15
That lot, well, there's an open lot right next to it. Yeah, that building is having up for a building, but she wouldn't have 00:22:19
parking. 00:22:22
You got parking right across in the. 00:22:26
The whole sheriff's parking lot there. 00:22:28
A lot of days that's full, Randy. 00:22:31
You don't think so? I never really see that full. 00:22:33
Well, what about the court? Not court days when they're doing it is selected open lot next to the four building there? 00:22:36
Who owns that? 00:22:43
That that's all one piece. 00:22:45
OK, there wasn't a lot of. 00:22:47
There's probably AM. 00:22:48
I would say you could probably park 30 vehicles there. 00:22:50
Didn't add lot, just get sold dead. Long rectangular one that's right across from the courthouse. 00:22:56
Wasn't that up for sale? And then somebody said, well, the county was. 00:23:02
Foolish not to buy it. 00:23:05
That the building committee had looked at that building in the past and had made an offer. 00:23:08
I don't know, several years ago, probably what, 8-9? 00:23:12
789 years ago. 00:23:15
More than that, Doctor Madsen was the chairman. 00:23:17
So. 00:23:21
But you're saying that for garage that? 00:23:26
Prop that long training or that wrong rectangular empty lot there. That's all part of that. 00:23:29
Property. 00:23:35
I believe yeah. Is it? 00:23:35
OK. 00:23:37
And I don't know how wide it is neither maybe it's very why it's not a very wide office building there you'd be no, not an office 00:23:39
building, but like the evidence building that. 00:23:44
Jeff was saying, you know, moving it closer to the Sheriff's Department, you know? 00:23:50
Using it for like an evidence building there. 00:23:54
Like we have over by the highway and evidence. 00:23:58
Correct. Harder So white. Why couldn't you go 3-4 stories high and make it an office building? 00:24:00
Is there any zoning against there right there? 00:24:09
But you know, I didn't. I've never looked at that piece of property. 00:24:12
Um, to say what it what it is. 00:24:18
I but if it's kind of narrow. 00:24:21
You know you're squeezing. 00:24:24
Departments and. 00:24:26
Again, one of the things we're trying to do is increase efficiency and put as many departments at. 00:24:28
That should have adjacencies together. 00:24:33
And now you're you're. 00:24:36
Kind of stacking them up. 00:24:37
So not to say it can't be done. I, I I can't rule it out without really. 00:24:39
Investigating it. 00:24:44
But. 00:24:45
I'd have to. 00:24:46
I'd have to really look to see how big that property. 00:24:47
Is. 00:24:50
And I think we have to look at that Randy, but it is it is fairly narrow to be able to put. 00:24:51
An office type building there. 00:24:56
And depending on where the line is on zoning. 00:24:58
Heights restriction on that presents in the airport. 00:25:01
Flight path it is. Courthouse couldn't go any higher. 00:25:04
Yeah. 00:25:07
But it's all things that we can look at. You could put some build in there, you know what I mean? 00:25:10
It's just something I. 00:25:16
Was looking at. 00:25:18
So yeah, I think the. 00:25:19
First time we went through, looked at stuff, I think Corey and I both looked at that building and. 00:25:21
And said because I think the only thing really pressing right now, I've said it before too, is getting the people out of Henry 00:25:25
Dodge. 00:25:28
And the most success or most thing that makes most sense to that is putting them here. 00:25:32
And then where do we move these people? 00:25:37
And that would probably be the easiest to just have a new spot to build on. 00:25:40
And and that's where when we dig into these other options, it. 00:25:45
We know that in a perfect world, you would love to get out of that Henry Dodge building sometime. Last week would be really good. 00:25:50
The problem is you know. 00:25:58
You pretty much have to build something somewhere, yeah. 00:26:02
And if you look at all of these options, you're either building something to move them out. 00:26:05
Or you're building something. 00:26:10
To move somebody else out to renovate another space. 00:26:11
To move them into. 00:26:15
So. 00:26:16
It's going to be a couple years. 00:26:17
Sorry. 00:26:20
It is. 00:26:21
Yeah. No, no. 00:26:22
I think the board knows that too, that I ain't going to happen overnight getting rid of. 00:26:24
The Henry Dodgy building. 00:26:29
But do you, do you agree though that? 00:26:30
The most sense that you're looking at so far is moving the Henry Dodge people here. 00:26:32
Because this is added, this is out of date kind of for the administration building to write it, but Henry Dodge could probably 00:26:39
suffice with this building and. 00:26:43
Henry Dodge. 00:26:47
All the departments definitely fit here. We have investigated that. We've looked to see if we get good adjacencies, they fit. 00:26:49
This building can work for everything that's in Henry Dodge. 00:26:57
It would. 00:27:02
We would want to do, you know, a renovation to make sure it works. 00:27:02
For how each department would need it. 00:27:06
But it absolutely. 00:27:10
Works. They can fit in here. 00:27:11
So, you know, that's why we. 00:27:13
You know one of the options we have is to. 00:27:15
Build a new building. 00:27:18
Somewhere on the Henry Dodge site. 00:27:20
You know, you can look at it two ways. You put a new building there. 00:27:23
And then just move the people from Henry Dodge straight into that. 00:27:27
That's one option. 00:27:31
That's. 00:27:32
That's the fastest way out of the Henry Dodge building. 00:27:33
The other option is you build a building on that site. 00:27:37
You move the people from here into that new building and that becomes their permanent home. 00:27:42
You renovate this space and then the people from Henry Dodge move here. 00:27:47
Those are. 00:27:52
To reasonable options. Another option that. 00:27:53
Really makes everything happen. 00:27:58
The fastest? 00:28:00
Would be. 00:28:01
You put up. 00:28:02
One building. 00:28:03
Out at the Henry Dodge site. I think it's option 5 in here. 00:28:04
And everyone just goes into it. 00:28:08
You could tear down Henry Dodge then. 00:28:10
What you do at this building? 00:28:13
That you know you have a big empty building then. 00:28:16
That's in reasonable shape. 00:28:19
But not real easy for somebody else to. 00:28:23
It's not someone's not gonna just move in. 00:28:26
In June. 00:28:30
But that not that big of a building, right? 00:28:31
You know, and, and this building, especially when you, if you just drive by on the street, you know. 00:28:34
People will look at this building go that's in good shape, yeah. 00:28:39
Yeah, and. 00:28:42
And you know. 00:28:43
There would be heat. 00:28:44
From the public to why? Why would you want to move out of this building? 00:28:46
So. 00:28:50
You know, like I said. 00:28:54
That's your. 00:28:55
That is a really good solution. 00:28:56
For getting everything taken care of quickly and getting people in the. 00:28:59
Quickly is a loose term. 00:29:02
Right. It's still a couple years to make it all happen. 00:29:04
But you could also take that idea of 1 building out by Henry Dodge to create a campus and you could build it in phases. 00:29:06
You know you could build what you need. 00:29:14
For Henry Dodge. 00:29:16
And then? 00:29:18
In X number of years, you know, you you'd have to start looking at your mill rate and you know, all that sort of thing to try and 00:29:20
keep that as flat as you can and. 00:29:24
Not bounce people's property taxes all over the place. 00:29:29
But then when? 00:29:32
The time is appropriate. 00:29:33
You could put an addition on that. That would be. 00:29:35
Essentially pre planned. 00:29:38
To accommodate everyone that's in this building and move out there, then you have everyone out there. 00:29:40
John and his team are doing less driving back and forth and back and forth because they're all in one spot, right? 00:29:45
But then you have the. 00:29:52
The question of what do you do with this building? 00:29:53
So. 00:29:55
The options that are here. The five options that are here. 00:29:56
I'm not going to recommend anyone of them. 00:29:59
We're just laying it out. 00:30:03
For you guys to. 00:30:04
To figure out what you want to do. 00:30:06
The only one that I would really. 00:30:07
Make any recommendation on as option #4. 00:30:11
You know, to just. 00:30:15
Delete that one. 00:30:17
You know, that's that's the old the old. 00:30:19
Office building that you'd have to repurchase. 00:30:22
And if you look at. 00:30:24
This that I. 00:30:28
Brought with me I have some of the cost estimates not for all the options yet I I should have the other. 00:30:29
The others before the county board meeting. 00:30:35
I believe the cost that was figured in to renovate that building. 00:30:39
Which we've already talked about. It's got some shortcomings. 00:30:44
But that comes in at close to $15 million to renovate that building. 00:30:47
So. 00:30:51
I would. 00:30:52
Take that option off the table. 00:30:53
Well. 00:30:57
I'm glad you at least looked at it, yeah. 00:30:58
You know, people have said, you know, is that building? 00:31:01
In that bad shape, maybe there's. 00:31:04
Opportunities there while you've investigated it? 00:31:05
Yeah, and and like I said it. 00:31:08
Everything could fit that you'd want to put there, but it doesn't fit. 00:31:11
Optimally. 00:31:14
You have hurricane issues too. 00:31:15
It's fairly good parking. Yeah, the back is the the back parking is pretty good sized. 00:31:19
And that building there, yeah, OK. I didn't even know there was 1 back there. 00:31:25
I'm sorry. 00:31:29
Curious about demo. 00:31:31
Well, can I give my take on what I read on this whole thing that you sent me in that? 00:31:34
And what I think would be a good. 00:31:39
Option. 00:31:42
Is. 00:31:43
If we built the new administration building out. 00:31:46
By Clearview on that property that we own NA Clearview. 00:31:49
Built a new administration building out there. You wouldn't have to build it as big as if you built a building for the Human 00:31:53
Services. 00:31:56
Because Human Services require more than what the administration building would require. 00:32:00
But if you built the new administration building out there. 00:32:05
Then you would. 00:32:08
Build it. 00:32:10
And you would empty this building into that new building. And then like you said, Brad, you would. 00:32:11
Renovate this building. 00:32:17
And move. 00:32:18
The people from Henry dodge Human Services in them all over into this building. 00:32:20
The only reason I say that is because if you leave the administration in this building, you're still going to have all this unused 00:32:25
space. 00:32:29
And by doing it the way I'm saying we should do it. 00:32:34
All this unused space is going to be used. 00:32:38
By the department's. 00:32:40
That are over there now. 00:32:42
Yeah, Henry, Dodge departments would better utilize the square footage of this building, right? And I think that was the whole 00:32:43
plan behind having a master plan was to get more efficiency out of our buildings. 00:32:49
And to me that would be the most efficient is and then we wouldn't have to build such a big new building. 00:32:56
Right away, right, It would be less because the. 00:33:03
The administration building doesn't require that much square footage. 00:33:06
But then we would be using. 00:33:10
You know. 00:33:14
Most efficient? Absolutely. 00:33:15
Yes. 00:33:18
And that, that's my take when I look at this and my vision down the road is to go that route. 00:33:19
And and honestly. 00:33:26
That is. 00:33:28
When when I look at all the options. 00:33:30
I that's one that's probably the most. 00:33:33
Practical. 00:33:36
It's between that and just building a brand new building to accommodate everything. 00:33:37
I think those are your two best options, but one of them has a much bigger dollar sign. 00:33:42
You know, and, and that's why we'd always talk about phasing and things like that and how can we? 00:33:47
How can we balance all of that out? 00:33:52
But the big sell is. 00:33:54
If we build 1 building for everything. 00:33:56
Then you have to convince the whole board that this building. 00:33:59
Isn't going to be used no more and it's going to go for sale. 00:34:01
And that you're going to have a big. 00:34:04
Problem convincing the whole board that we're going to eliminate this whole building. Politically, that's a very tough sell. 00:34:07
Yes, but the other thing that I'm not really. 00:34:12
In favor of neither and you guys kind of shot that down was? 00:34:16
Looking at that old office building, sticking all this money in there just for a temporary use. 00:34:19
To put people in and out of. 00:34:25
And then after it's all done, then we have all that money stuck in that building already. 00:34:28
And what do you do with that? 00:34:32
Yeah. And then it's a it's a really nice office building for somebody, right? To me, that's yeah. There's not a lot of production. 00:34:34
You're never gonna get your money back out of it. Yeah, it's so. So there's a. 00:34:39
That that building over there is just it doesn't seem to have any long term viability, right. Anything regarding that one, It 00:34:44
doesn't seem like. 00:34:48
Like you're spending your money wisely. 00:34:53
Yeah, and I agree with you that we'd be foolish to put any money into that building. 00:34:55
So I mean, realistically it's it's your option is you know, you build something out by dodge, right? 00:35:03
You move somebody in, you renovate a space. 00:35:09
You move bodies around. 00:35:12
Or you just put up a. 00:35:13
A new building. 00:35:15
And you phase it. 00:35:16
Overtime to get everyone in there. Those are really your two. 00:35:17
Best options in a nutshell. 00:35:20
I would agree with that too. You'd build. 00:35:22
Build it to the size need. We already have a few people on the on the board that don't like getting rid of the Henry dodge. So you 00:35:24
get rid of Henry dodge. 00:35:28
All this other stuff we can pick and choose here and there to. 00:35:32
To do. 00:35:36
Quite frankly, for the last 20 years. 00:35:39
The public has. 00:35:41
Admonish the county board for building all these buildings and letting the highways go to hell. 00:35:43
Be real. Just to put it really bluntly, you know? 00:35:47
That that is, that is the. 00:35:51
The feeling in the public. 00:35:54
So I think as efficiently as we can. 00:35:56
Move forward, I think, is what we have to do. 00:35:59
The other thing that. 00:36:05
You had in this report also kind of. 00:36:08
Switch into a different option that you had. You're talking about the CBRF. 00:36:10
How there's 20 units in the CBRF? 00:36:16
Right now and there's only 16 at Clearview. 00:36:18
Yeah. So you need to put a little addition. Putting an addition, I don't think that makes sense. I would. 00:36:21
I myself. 00:36:26
Might even consider. 00:36:27
Building. Besides doing that, building a separate CBRF building. 00:36:29
And. 00:36:35
Keeping. 00:36:36
Brain injury and. 00:36:38
Behavioral Health. 00:36:40
Just. 00:36:44
To be clear about that, Ed was not concerned if we would go from 20 down to 16. 00:36:46
OK, that's the other thing that was gonna ask you. 00:36:50
We're then that wing is. 00:36:54
Unoccupied now except for one worker from Ukraine lives in one of those rooms. 00:36:55
And that when they actually have that in the CBRF housing unit inside that. 00:37:01
Well, the wing is empty right now. 00:37:06
That there's. 00:37:07
Those rooms are not used. You said there's one. 00:37:08
There's one lady that lives in there with that she's a. 00:37:10
Worker from Ukraine. That's what I'm saying. Can you have that person in that wing and can. 00:37:13
No, no, there would be no. 00:37:18
Workers there. 00:37:20
What Ed would like to use it for is when he gets his foreign workers that he is trying to get over here. 00:37:21
And that's where these people would live until they can get housing in the community also as long as that wing is vacant. 00:37:28
And if the CBRF were to move into their. 00:37:35
The employee housing is. 00:37:38
Gone. It would just be CBRF. 00:37:40
Residents. 00:37:42
It would be more efficient for Clearview to just operate that. 00:37:49
Within that building, because now you. 00:37:55
Have a separate cook, you have a separate kitchen, you have a lot of separate things because the CBRF is located across the road 00:37:58
from Clearview. 00:38:01
And staffing wise and operation wise, it would actually be better for Clearview if the CBRF was in that wing. 00:38:05
More efficient than anybody together. 00:38:12
That makes sense. 00:38:14
So what are they going to do with the extra 4? 00:38:17
CBRF people then. 00:38:21
If they were to move to that, I mean, these people, they come, they go. I mean, some people pass away, some people. 00:38:25
Their health condition changes where they need more care or less care. So the the population is always. 00:38:32
Changing their accommodate 16 and not 20 and just leave it at that. 00:38:38
Right. And you know. 00:38:42
As long as this is going to take to do all of this stuff that we're talking. 00:38:45
As people leave that, they can. 00:38:49
Downsize it. 00:38:51
To 16 two and not refill for the rooms because knowing that eventually it's going to go down. Yeah, Clearview, I just had a I just 00:38:52
had a. 00:38:56
My my view on that basically is more economic, so. 00:39:01
So another topic. 00:39:04
For another day I guess. 00:39:06
Any other? 00:39:17
Thoughts or questions or? 00:39:18
And again, this is this, this is my draft. I can, I will certainly be adding and and and. 00:39:23
You know, did you want me to? 00:39:29
Eliminate anything to do with the other building. 00:39:32
Or, or just leave it in to just show that we we investigated it. 00:39:35
I would leave it all in because then the whole board knows what you. 00:39:40
You guys, did you know? 00:39:43
Can you? Yeah, because that that always comes up as a question. Well, what about this? What about this, right. Let him know that 00:39:46
you checked into everything you know, and it's it's like in the in the cost estimate that we have. 00:39:52
You know we we have. 00:40:00
One of these. 00:40:03
Is for a brand new building. 00:40:04
That's going to house everything. 00:40:07
You know that that that option 5, because someone always says, what if we just build everything right now at one shot? What's it 00:40:09
going to cost? You can now say. 00:40:13
Our estimate right now is $58 million. 00:40:18
So. 00:40:23
I like I said, I'm going to be getting more cost estimates that align with. 00:40:23
The other options that are in here. 00:40:27
And I should have those. 00:40:29
Probably not by the end of next week, but I'll have them. 00:40:31
The following week, so I should have them before? 00:40:34
The the full board meeting. 00:40:37
And I will get those to John so they could everything be disseminated. 00:40:39
Prior. 00:40:43
So do you know how many square feet the administrative? 00:40:43
Building would have to be the house. 00:40:46
Everybody here. 00:40:48
Let me see 100,000 square feet that that is for everything that's that's here and that's Henry Dodge. 00:40:50
That's that's both combined, right? I do have that. 00:40:58
Broken down. 00:41:01
Just not at my fingertips. I'd like to see what. 00:41:03
Just the administrative building would cost out there. 00:41:06
Yeah. And and we'll get in, we'll get that and then see what the renovation of this building would cost to. 00:41:09
Move them over from Henry Dodge to here. 00:41:15
There shouldn't be too much renovation, should there? 00:41:19
Move them here. 00:41:21
There's probably a lot of things that would. 00:41:24
Get renovated. 00:41:27
I would, you know you've got. 00:41:29
You you you probably struggle to find an ADA accessible bathroom in the place, right? 00:41:32
You know, there's just a. 00:41:39
There's there's. 00:41:41
Without renovating the space, you're going to be doing like you have now where people are. 00:41:42
Moved in and they're working according to the space that's available. 00:41:47
And what we want to do is for long term. 00:41:51
Make the building work for how? 00:41:54
Every department should operate. 00:41:57
So and and that will. 00:42:01
That would be a deeper dive than than what a master plan is for, but you know. 00:42:06
That's just the next step. 00:42:10
But there is the room to make it. 00:42:11
To make it happen. 00:42:13
The other thing Brad, I would ask you guys to do as to. 00:42:15
Figure out a price on what it would cost. 00:42:19
Demo them buildings over there. 00:42:22
And then what size? 00:42:24
Building we would have to add. 00:42:26
For the medical examiner and then also give us the information on what? 00:42:28
Square footage we still have available over there. 00:42:33
After the medical examiner is built. 00:42:36
And the, you know, the buildings are tore down. 00:42:39
How much? 00:42:41
Spaces that are leftover there yet? 00:42:42
I'd be curious than all that. 00:42:44
OK. 00:42:47
Are you going to forward and then put the cost with that also? 00:42:49
Yep, OK. 00:42:52
Are you going to forward this report that you sent us in this other stuff to the full board before the board meeting? 00:42:54
I will. 00:43:00
Give a much more complete version. 00:43:01
Yeah. So I I plan on having the cost breakdowns for every option. 00:43:04
For the full board. 00:43:10
And. 00:43:12
Going through this, you know, there's a couple little things that I've I've said OK, I want to add this and I want to tweak that 00:43:13
and. 00:43:17
You know, John looked through it and said I got a couple things marked up that he caught so. 00:43:21
It'll be. It'll be. 00:43:26
A more complete version. 00:43:28
So, but the board will have it before the meeting. 00:43:30
That's. 00:43:34
That's the plan. 00:43:34
This month. 00:43:37
That's that's my goal. 00:43:38
That that Cameron could not be here tonight, But that was his question of what what is your timeline and what are the next steps? 00:43:41
Yeah, the realistically that the next step is just to finish up the cost estimates, finalize. 00:43:49
The master plan. 00:43:55
And get it to the full board. 00:43:56
And from there. 00:43:58
You guys get to have discussions about what you want to do, how you want to do it. 00:44:00
Get together with your finance people and figure out. 00:44:05
You know, how would you pay for it? Mill rates? Tax implications? 00:44:08
And then you would say, OK, here's our plan that in. 00:44:12
This window of time. 00:44:16
We want to do. 00:44:18
This. 00:44:19
And then you would probably. 00:44:20
Go through the process of. 00:44:22
You know, and maybe it's an RFP to hire. 00:44:24
An architect. 00:44:27
To start doing schematic design. 00:44:28
You know, design, development of whatever you know, sometimes. 00:44:31
You know, everyone does it a little different. Some people just want to do a schematic design. 00:44:35
And from schematic design, you get a cost estimate and you can say, OK, this is what it's going to cost. 00:44:39
And then after that you. 00:44:44
Expand that and go into design, development, construction documents. 00:44:47
Bidding. 00:44:51
You know because until the bids are in and you approve the bids. 00:44:54
You're not locked into building anything. 00:44:57
But it's when you're going to get your best numbers every every step along the way gets you more refined. 00:45:00
Cost estimates. 00:45:06
So for right now these cost estimates. 00:45:09
Are they're accurate based on? 00:45:11
Expected square footage that you need. 00:45:16
You know, and and like at schematic design, they'd be accurate based on. 00:45:19
They can start to look at. 00:45:23
Walls and doors and and maybe some windows and you know. 00:45:25
It gets more refined and then through design development. 00:45:29
Then you're getting into more of the the technology that's going into the building and. 00:45:32
Finer details, How is it actually being constructed? 00:45:37
And then? 00:45:41
After construction documents, it would just be a hard competitive bid. 00:45:42
So each step along the way gives you. 00:45:48
Better. 00:45:50
Numbers. Umm. 00:45:50
Do you think the cost per square foot for just the new administration? 00:45:51
Building would be comparable to it. 00:45:58
We're seeing here for the. 00:46:01
The 100,000 square foot. 00:46:02
They could be stopped more so. 00:46:05
We use Samuels group. 00:46:07
To do the cost estimating we work with them quite a bit. 00:46:09
And we find that. 00:46:12
Their estimates. 00:46:14
Are really pretty solid. 00:46:16
We've used many people over the years. 00:46:21
Some people always come in a little low because. 00:46:24
It looks good. Oh, we can do this right. Others like to come in. 00:46:26
Too high because they're being safe. Samuel's group has been pretty solid on on. 00:46:30
Their estimates. 00:46:36
And recently? 00:46:37
Bids have come in on projects. 00:46:41
And the bidding environment is getting very competitive. 00:46:43
So actually the. 00:46:47
The the bids have been coming in. 00:46:48
Under budget. 00:46:51
And it's not because we think that. 00:46:53
The cost estimating is bad, it's just contractors are. 00:46:55
Hungry. 00:46:58
Right now. So numbers are coming in very good right now. 00:46:59
Something we haven't seen for a while. 00:47:03
When you get us the the square footage for just the administration building though would. 00:47:07
Would it be a safe assumption to use the square footage price on? 00:47:12
On the. 00:47:15
The complete building and apply it to the square footage for the. 00:47:16
Administration building to get an estimate. 00:47:20
I'm not sure I'm understanding what. 00:47:24
You. We, I. 00:47:26
Frankly, I didn't see the entire report. I. 00:47:28
But. 00:47:31
You, you. We've got 100,000 square foot here, which is. 00:47:32
Putting everybody in one new building. 00:47:36
OK. You can. You could probably take the square foot number from that. 00:47:39
And and and just. 00:47:43
Scale that down to the square footage of what I'm asking. Yes, yes you can. What cost? 00:47:45
On a smaller structure and would it be? 00:47:51
Reasonably accurate. It would be reasonably accurate because it's really its office space, office space, office space. There's my 00:47:53
few, but I wanted to ask the question, you know? 00:47:58
It's generally just office space, so yeah, you would be pretty accurate. 00:48:03
OK. So no matter what it is, it's on the average of $580 per square foot? 00:48:06
New, new, revamped, whatever. 00:48:11
Yeah. So we just need to calculate what that square footage would be and then you can have the numbers. 00:48:13
So new square footage is, you know. 00:48:20
A set price on what it costs to build new. 00:48:23
Renovating like a building like this square footage? 00:48:26
Does that usually more than new? 00:48:30
Construction or is renovating less than new construction? 00:48:33
It's. 00:48:37
Or is it hard to say? It's hard to say because. 00:48:40
You already have. 00:48:43
You know, walls and foundations and. 00:48:45
And it's a matter of. 00:48:48
How much can you salvage? 00:48:49
The more you can salvage. 00:48:51
The lower that renovation cost is. 00:48:53
A certain things I mean we've done our fair share of projects where. 00:48:56
You know, the owner said we just want to renovate, We want to renovate, we want to renovate. And we're like, Are you sure about 00:49:03
that? And I know we want to. We're going to save money. We're going to renovate. 00:49:07
And it ends up being more expensive than building a brand new building just because what they needed to do was so extensive and 00:49:12
then they had to put on an addition and. 00:49:16
So it's it's a matter of. 00:49:20
How extensive everything is Well, when you're cutting and coring into a solid building and I'll put a bathroom and depends what 00:49:23
you run into, it could cost, right? It depends like what your floor structure is, you know, if it's where it's allowable, where it 00:49:27
is and how you can get right if you have a. 00:49:32
Pour concrete over a steel deck. Well, you can. You can cut into that just about anywhere. 00:49:37
If you have a. 00:49:43
Precast plank floor. 00:49:43
While there's, there's still reinforcing that goes in that. 00:49:46
And you're X raying the floor to see where those are, so you're not. 00:49:50
Popping those strands when you're cutting through and you're limited to how many cuts you can put in it. 00:49:54
And the manufacturer of the plank from. 00:49:59
Whenever it was installed. 00:50:02
They've got some say in that. 00:50:04
So. 00:50:06
It depends on, you know, the materials you're dealing with too. 00:50:07
OK, so. 00:50:13
Not not a fully complete answer that you were looking for, but there's a lot of variables. 00:50:17
Yeah. And when you get this all put together? 00:50:22
I hope it's sooner than. 00:50:28
Later because I don't want. I don't want. 00:50:29
The full board to get this a day before our meeting. 00:50:31
Right. And they, they're gonna complain and say, well, could have to go out in the packet, Jody. 00:50:34
Yeah. Oh, you would send it all in the packet. You would be in the packet for the meeting. 00:50:38
On the computer at all? 00:50:43
Yeah, yeah. 00:50:44
But I'm just saying don't. Don't give it A to them all one day or two days before the meeting. Give them ample time to that they 00:50:46
got time to look at the whole thing and absorb it a little bit. 00:50:51
Usually to Friday. 00:50:58
The Friday before, I thought it was the Friday before, but Friday before the meeting is one day. 00:51:00
So they put it in the packet? Usually, yeah. 00:51:05
All right. Well, the good news is that's we were hoping to have it. 00:51:09
That week. 00:51:13
So be the right to be the 13th to be next week Friday. 00:51:14
Now wouldn't it? Wouldn't it be one more week in there meetings, the 17th? 00:51:22
Correct. Yeah. What is 1/3? 00:51:25
The third Tuesday, whatever the third Tuesday is. 00:51:30
So 1717. 00:51:32
So then that Friday before the 17, Friday the 13th, I looked at your website and I thought that you were. 00:51:34
Maybe I'm confusing a different? 00:51:44
A different. 00:51:47
It would be the. 00:51:49
OK. Yeah. Then. Then I'm not sure if we'll have that. 00:51:50
Timing wise for this month. 00:51:55
Just because the cost estimates, I want to make sure we have the good cost emits and everything that you're asking for. 00:51:57
But I will light a fire. 00:52:05
Understand this group and see if they can do it. 00:52:08
OK, OK. 00:52:11
And when when that goes in the packet for the county board meeting. 00:52:14
You will be there tonight at a county board meeting to. 00:52:18
Go through it. 00:52:21
Yes, OK. 00:52:22
Very good. 00:52:25
Yeah, I didn't think we could turn it that fast or not. 00:52:32
We'll see. 00:52:36
I had one of my first bosses used to say there's 24 hours in a day, feel free to use them. 00:52:39
While they've been waiting and waiting and I've been getting a lot of feedback from them because we have this big. 00:52:46
With our communications. 00:52:52
Yeah. And we're looking at, you know, maybe 2530 million on that. And people are saying, well, what's the building gonna cost? 00:52:54
Well, we don't know yet. You were waiting. 00:52:58
And they said, well, that has a lot to do with, you know, our communications thing down the road too, because. 00:53:03
We're looking at spending a lot of money down the road. 00:53:08
And you know. 00:53:11
They want to find out sooner than later on what? 00:53:13
What this? 00:53:16
Is going to result in, so. 00:53:17
You guys got any other questions? 00:53:26
For Brad. 00:53:28
Thank you very much for. 00:53:30
Coming tonight and. 00:53:32
Kind of a little an idea moving forward so. 00:53:36
Yeah, sorry it's taken so long, but there's just. 00:53:39
There's a lot of moving parts. Yeah, yeah. 00:53:42
And we did look at a lot of. 00:53:46
Other options that were not really out there when we first started this either. 00:53:47
And we've tried to cover all the bases and. 00:53:53
For your sake, we didn't give you all of those. 00:53:56
So, all right, thank you. Yeah, thank you. 00:54:00
All right, then let's move on. Number six, approve the request for jail improvement funds. You guys had that all in your packet. 00:54:04
John is asking for $3000 for some paint to do some painting in the jail and that. 00:54:10
He needs approval from us tonight to go ahead and. 00:54:16
With his plans so moved. 00:54:21
OK, I got a motion by. 00:54:24
Jeff, I'll second it. Seconded by Todd. 00:54:25
Any other discussion on it? 00:54:28
Not all in favor say aye. All right. Motions carried. 00:54:31
Courthouse rooftop chiller replacement. 00:54:38
OK, so that it is out forbid on the Internet. 00:54:42
We do have a walkthrough. 00:54:46
On the 10th. 00:54:48
So next week Tuesday at 1:00 PM, there is a mandatory walkthrough for anybody that's interested in bidding on that chiller 00:54:49
replacement. 00:54:52
And then the bid opening for that will be on March 24th at 11 AM. 00:54:56
Where are you going to have that at? 00:55:07
The bid opening will be in one A right across the hall. 00:55:10
Over here. 00:55:13
All right. Any questions on that? 00:55:19
From the committee. 00:55:21
Get quite a bit of interest for. 00:55:22
At this point, are you? I don't know. I know Surefire is interested, but I don't know any other ones. I do know that Train in 00:55:25
Madison wanted to bid on it and I don't know if they will or not, but they have expressed interest in it. 00:55:32
So we'll see if you got a few. 00:55:40
It's good to hear Brad say that. 00:55:43
The bidding is getting a lot more competitive out there and people are really sharpening their pencil because they need to work or 00:55:45
to fill their work up for the year. So hopefully that relates down in these next couple projects that we got going here so. 00:55:52
Absolutely. 00:56:00
Yep. All right. Then we'll go to 8 Clearview Concrete Patios project. 00:56:01
All right, Phil is going to show a couple pictures. Clearview is. 00:56:08
Is going to pour a couple of pads. 00:56:12
I outside there. 00:56:17
This is one that is going behind. 00:56:19
They're building more towards the back lot. 00:56:22
This is a 16 by 30 pavilion that they're going to have built there. We're going to pour a large concrete pad there to put this on. 00:56:25
And. 00:56:33
This is going to be constructed by the one of the shop classes at Beaver Dam High School. 00:56:34
So this is currently out to bid on the web. We had a mandatory walkthrough earlier in the week. 00:56:41
For bidders, we only had four contractors show up. I was hoping for more. 00:56:47
But four did show up and. 00:56:52
We will see what we get for. 00:56:55
Bids on that? 00:56:57
Just a concrete year. 00:57:01
But it'd be it's excavating and then your base gravel and then pouring the concrete. Concrete, OK. 00:57:03
With the other picture, John. 00:57:11
Yes, please, Phil. 00:57:12
So let me see here. 00:57:19
This is the. 00:57:23
This is the front carport entrance. There's going to be a smaller area here that they would like to do some things with residents 00:57:27
out front. 00:57:30
That. 00:57:35
This is currently some grass and a few shrubs. 00:57:36
That will be concreted. 00:57:40
And then the the big area where that pavilion is going to go is out the back here. 00:57:42
Between a couple of the wings and this whole area will be concreted in and that's where that pavilion will go back there. 00:57:48
Is there anything there now? 00:57:59
It just it's just grass, just tall grass, OK. 00:58:01
So we we do have the bid opening coming up soon on that and then we did request that it part of the bid package was that it be 00:58:06
done by April 20th. 00:58:11
I know that's pushing it, but we need to have enough time for the shop class to try to keep the constructed before school is out. 00:58:17
Oh yeah, OK. 00:58:24
The Beaver Dam shop class is also the one that constructed the fish cleaning station at Durgi Park. 00:58:29
Last summer. 00:58:36
Nice. 00:58:38
That's nice we get them involved. Who did the engineering on? 00:58:40
On this pavilion, then, is it? 00:58:44
It's a. 00:58:46
A kitten OK you buy the plans on the Internet OK and then you buy the plans and the. 00:58:47
The. 00:58:53
The plans have the complete. 00:58:55
Listing of supplies that you need. 00:58:58
And. 00:59:00
They had worked with the shop class over there and I think the. 00:59:02
I got it. You're not. 00:59:08
About 77 Seventy $800 worth of supplies. 00:59:12
Was the bid from Drexel? 00:59:16
On what it's going to take to do that, they have everything itemized out on the sheet here. 00:59:18
So. 00:59:24
So that is what is going on with the Clearview. 00:59:27
Patio project. 00:59:30
So I've been helping with that. I helped. 00:59:31
Trista get the specs for the concrete and all that so we could put it out to bid. 00:59:33
And that's where we're at. 00:59:38
OK, good. 00:59:41
Any other questions from the committee? 00:59:44
Tornado proof. 00:59:46
I don't know. 00:59:48
If you want to go on to the next one. 00:59:54
Clearview had a. 00:59:57
Pipe come apart right at the end of February, about 12:30 or so one morning. 00:59:58
On the second floor. 01:00:03
This is a second floor ceiling where they had to take the ceiling out because, well, the ceiling came down. 01:00:07
It did damage the drywall up above the ceiling. Also it was a cold water domestic line. 01:00:12
And if you want to go the next one, Phil? 01:00:18
This is down on the. 01:00:21
First floor. 01:00:23
You can see that it flooded some carpet. 01:00:24
And go on. 01:00:28
There's another one, Ricky, it actually got into. 01:00:30
This residents room up here, this was the one that was damaged the most. 01:00:33
They did RIP all the planking and everything out of there. 01:00:38
The wall and every the walls came out of there too. The drywall, everything was stripped right down to the insulated studs. 01:00:43
As they're redoing that. 01:00:50
A pipe freeze, is that what happened? It just can't. It was CPVC and the joint came apart. 01:00:52
This is the ceiling in that one room there. 01:00:58
So you can see there's some water. 01:01:02
Seepage up there. They also cut a hole in here. 01:01:05
And. 01:01:08
Currently they are in there with a lot of. 01:01:09
Blower fans and heaters and dehumidifiers. 01:01:13
Drying this all out and there's actually plastic tubing going up into this hole here. 01:01:16
To get above the ceiling to dry that whole area out up there. 01:01:21
So the restoration company was in right away the next day starting to do all the. 01:01:26
Clean up, remove drywall, remove carpet, flooring, whatever. 01:01:32
I think we got one more yet, Phil. 01:01:36
So they they. 01:01:38
Put a barrier up for this hallway here there's a zipper door, you just unzip that. You can go into there, but they do have this 01:01:42
separated out on the first floor. 01:01:46
Of that wing. So we're separated out and they are doing the. 01:01:50
Restoration work in there. 01:01:55
So the insurance company from the plumber on this project is the one that hired the. 01:01:57
The company to do the restoration work. 01:02:03
So that'll all be covered by Monona Plumbing's insurance company. 01:02:06
Did they have a place to go at all the residents? 01:02:13
Or how many were displayed displays ah. 01:02:15
Ed had a few that needed to go someplace else. 01:02:19
They did displace a few residents, but they did have additional rooms available to put them in temporarily. 01:02:26
OK, so. 01:02:32
They say it's only going to take two weeks. I think it's going to be closer to 3. 01:02:35
Before it's all said and done. 01:02:39
Just looking at it when I was up there on Tuesday, just the amount of work that has to be done. 01:02:42
By the time you do all your finished drywall work and painting and. 01:02:46
Then put your final. 01:02:50
Floor back down in your cold base and. 01:02:51
All that sort of thing. I think it's gonna be closer to three weeks, but. 01:02:55
When did this happen? 01:02:58
Let's see. 01:03:02
I got that here. 01:03:09
I think it was either the 22nd or the 23rd. 01:03:14
Of February, OK. 01:03:17
That's close enough. 01:03:20
Good that Monas. 01:03:22
Insurance is going to take care of it without a without a fight. 01:03:23
And I don't, I don't really understand how it could come apart. It did, obviously, but. 01:03:27
So that was all pressure tested with air up to I think 200 lbs before it was. 01:03:33
Approved for occupancy. 01:03:38
And you know your water pressure is only. 01:03:40
55 or so. Yeah, 4050. 01:03:43
Oh, that's weird. 01:03:46
But it did, it did come apart. Then they are covering the cost. 01:03:50
So. 01:03:55
That pipe separated, that wasn't part of the remodeling job. It was part of the remodeling job that they're doing. 01:04:01
OK, so it wasn't that older pipe then? 01:04:08
No, OK. 01:04:10
No couple months. 01:04:12
OK. 01:04:13
So yes, that's why Monona's insurance is covering cash. Is brand new part of the remodel assumption it was old? 01:04:17
I thought so too, yeah. 01:04:23
OK, that makes sense. 01:04:25
All right, then we'll move on to Clearview project update. 01:04:29
#9 that was it. That's it. Yep. 01:04:35
OK. 01:04:38
Then let's go to #10 Tornado damage update. 01:04:39
Two things I got on that I I wanted to get you guys pictures of doing the work on the impound building. 01:04:42
And I got over there today and. 01:04:49
They actually had it done. They were starting to clean up the lot. I did not get over there while they were working on it. 01:04:52
So. 01:04:57
But yeah, Jack Walters finished it up today and I said they were starting to do the lot cleanup. 01:04:59
The only thing that is not in done yet is the insulation is not blown back up into the ceiling yet. 01:05:06
OK. But otherwise all the exterior work is finished? 01:05:11
Nice, nice. 01:05:15
From my end, I got a call a couple weeks ago from Surefire. 01:05:18
That said that they still have not been able to obtain the damaged cooling coils for the rooftop units. 01:05:22
On the CBRF building at Henry Dodge. 01:05:29
They do not know when they're going to get them. The manufacturer has not given them a date when they're going to be available. 01:05:32
They ordered them last. 01:05:36
September. 01:05:41
Whenever it was and they still don't know. 01:05:42
So it's kind of disappointing. I know we'd like to get that insurance claim wrapped up on it, but. 01:05:46
At this point, Surefire does not know when they will get those from the manufacturer. 01:05:51
Before the eating. 01:05:58
Or before the hot weather for the cooling season. Yeah, the cooling season. 01:06:00
So that is the tornado damage update. 01:06:05
All right. Anybody any questions? 01:06:08
Then we'll move on to 11. 01:06:12
2526 budget update. You had that in your packet? 01:06:14
Any questions on that? 01:06:18
And just a little bit on 25, last week, I did finish up doing all the allocations for finance. 01:06:21
For what we spent on the CBRF and also for Human Services for repairs because those things get reimbursed to me and come back into 01:06:27
my budget. 01:06:32
So I got those spreadsheets last week from finance and I finished filling all those out. How those are all split? 01:06:37
And then? 01:06:43
They can do their calculations off of that. 01:06:43
And the only thing we got on the 26th budget is January and February were. 01:06:47
Pretty tough on the utilities because we paid some pretty high. 01:06:51
Premiums on the gas and electric. 01:06:55
Just based on the extremely cold weather that you know when they have to bring on. 01:06:58
The auxiliary power plants and the utility has to buy extra gas and things like that. So there is. 01:07:03
Some premiums on that, but. 01:07:09
We'll see how that goes throughout the year, but January and February, a little tough on the brutal for everybody. 01:07:12
Yeah. 01:07:18
All right, then we'll move on #12 Facility Director reports. 01:07:21
Building repairs and improvements. 01:07:27
All right. So last month I told you guys that we had a meeting with the representative from Johnson Controls to discuss our 01:07:29
chiller warranty. 01:07:33
And that went very well. 01:07:37
And. 01:07:38
The following week I did get a e-mail from them that said he was going to sit down and meet with some people from Johnson and try 01:07:40
to work this out. 01:07:44
I don't know what actually happened, but he's no longer with Johnson Controls. 01:07:49
Maybe they're related, maybe they're not, Anyway. 01:07:57
So I I got it and I did not coincidence. Anyway, past week I got an e-mail from another individual there that said he is the new. 01:08:00
Sales Rep for Johnson and he would like to meet with us. 01:08:08
So. 01:08:12
Kim and I did meet with him yesterday and we told him. 01:08:14
What is going on and what the whole issue is with this thing? So we're kind of starting over from scratch again. 01:08:18
With the warranty issue. 01:08:24
So. 01:08:27
Not sure where this is all going to end up, but. 01:08:29
We're still pursuing it. 01:08:31
Still going after him and. 01:08:33
Maybe we'll get some results, maybe we won't, I don't know. 01:08:36
No, but it's unfortunate that they had another personnel change there because the person we were dealing with. 01:08:39
We have dealt with many times over the years and with somebody that we're familiar with and. 01:08:46
Yeah, he kind of knew our situation here and. 01:08:51
Yeah. So where are we at with the warranty right now on it? 01:08:55
I mean is it under warranty up until believe it's under warranty? They say it's not. They say not. 01:08:58
They say that the freon leaks on the compressor are not. 01:09:05
Part of the compressor. It's just the fitting on the compressor. 01:09:10
That is their contention that it is not. 01:09:15
Part of the compressor. 01:09:17
Puts fitting on the compressor part of the chiller. 01:09:19
Yeah. So the compressor had a 66 month warranty in our warranty does not. 01:09:23
Expired till I think sometime in 29. I don't have the exact date right here. OK. 01:09:29
But. 01:09:34
When they're service tech, we we had the reports. I mean their service tech wrote it up that it wrote it up as 3 leaks on the 01:09:35
compressor. 01:09:39
Mm-hmm. And like I said, that is where we have this $6100 bill sitting out there from last September yet. 01:09:44
And another $7500 to finish fixing it. 01:09:53
So we're almost. 01:09:56
Up to $14,000 to fix something that we believe is under warranty. 01:09:58
On a new chiller. 01:10:02
OK. So Kim and I will keep pursuing that and. 01:10:09
I will update you again when I have something else to report on. 01:10:12
OK. 01:10:16
Good luck. 01:10:18
Last month I talked a little bit about we're going to do a little bit of remodeling project and land resources and parks. 01:10:22
I don't have a good picture before we started, but. 01:10:29
There was a area. These are all map drawers and it was AU shaped area. 01:10:32
These drawers here opened up to the interior as these along the wall did, so it was all made for. 01:10:38
All maps and plans. 01:10:44
And. 01:10:46
They would like to rearrange some of their people and they wanted this as a work cubicle, but they still wanted this counter here. 01:10:47
So. 01:10:56
Be said we could do something with that so you can Scroll down Phil. 01:10:57
You'll go all the way to the bottom. Yep. 01:11:04
So we we started taking this all apart. 01:11:08
This was the sub base that the cabinets were all on. 01:11:11
You can see. 01:11:15
When those were built in there, there was no. 01:11:16
Carpeting underneath the cabinets and the carpeting here was very worn, so we cut that all away. 01:11:19
The radiator was behind those cabinets, so there was no cover on the radiators here at all. 01:11:26
And it went all the way up to the top window sill. So there was nothing here. This beam was all opened up here. 01:11:32
So we had some work to do once we took the cabinets out. 01:11:39
And if you want to go down, Phil? 01:11:43
That's another shot of that. 01:11:48
This is the big open area and. 01:11:52
We will show a couple more pictures of that, but. 01:11:58
We were able to take some cubicles out of this area here where this is their survey and description area, there was cubicles here. 01:12:00
And he is moving. 01:12:09
A couple staff down here and they wanted a meeting area so we were able to take those cubicles out. 01:12:12
Put some tables and chairs in there, clean the floor all up real nice and make them a meeting area in this area. 01:12:17
Then if you can, go to the other one, Phil. 01:12:24
Because I don't think there's anymore here. 01:12:28
Whether or not. 01:12:30
So in LRP this is we bought some. 01:12:35
Transition stripping at Menards we bought carpet squares. 01:12:40
And we carpeted this area all in for them. 01:12:43
And we boxed in the beam here, did all the drywall. 01:12:46
And. 01:12:51
That's after the drywall is in, the radiator covers are all in. 01:12:54
The. 01:12:59
Chorion trim underneath the windowsill was all put in. 01:13:00
And. 01:13:06
The counter was turned around. These drawers opened up the other way. 01:13:07
And now they open this way. They wanted this counter yet, because when they have any luncheon or something like that, that was 01:13:11
their only counter space in the whole department. 01:13:14
So. 01:13:19
We moved in some. 01:13:21
Cubicle walls. 01:13:24
And. 01:13:26
That's the way it looks right now. 01:13:27
And that's their work cubicle. 01:13:31
Nice. 01:13:33
So we were able to turn that around in four days. 01:13:34
Wow, please. 01:13:37
Looks good. 01:13:38
Very professional. That included painting the walls also there. 01:13:40
So Bill was very happy with that, that he can move a person into that area that they were not using in the past and. 01:13:46
It got these cubicles out of that other area, so we could open that up for a table and chairs conference area down there. 01:13:52
And everybody was happy. 01:13:59
So this is the cubicles that was in the other area you just reused all further, Yes, no kidding, looks nice. 01:14:02
Very good job. 01:14:10
We could just have you guys revamp this building space for everybody. Why are we? 01:14:17
Now that this is enough, we're good with that. We've never revamped an old building. 01:14:26
I've done too many of them. 01:14:33
You want to go to the. 01:14:35
The pod Glenn Bill. Yeah. The other thing we got going on right now, we're in the middle of our annual pod cleaning in the jail. 01:14:36
This will last until about the 19th of March. 01:14:43
And. 01:14:47
I'm going to show some pictures here. This is so when we go into our plumbing chases and this you can see that we had some some 01:14:49
leakage and stuff so. 01:14:53
The guys took this all out. 01:14:57
They they take it back to the shop, they rebuild that all. 01:14:59
So what this thing is? This is a controller that's in the plumbing chases. They're little V shaped thing between two cells. This 01:15:03
serves 2 cells. 01:15:07
So you have a hot. 01:15:11
Supply line and a cold supply line. 01:15:13
And when they? 01:15:16
Push the button in their cell. There's a little. 01:15:18
Air tube that goes on to here. There's little air diaphragms in these black boxes. 01:15:22
So when this guy pushes that on there, it either opens the cold or he pushes the button for the hot. 01:15:26
And it comes out the center pipe and it goes through a little hose right through his. 01:15:32
Cell Faucet. 01:15:37
So you have one for one cell, and you've got a hot and a cold set for the other cell. 01:15:39
As that's in a chase like that. 01:15:45
And then these little brass things here, these are timers. 01:15:47
And you can adjust that how fast it bleeds the air off the diaphragm. So if you want that faucet to run for. 01:15:51
10 seconds, 15 seconds, 30 seconds or whatever, you just turn the screw on the. 01:15:57
On that brass. 01:16:02
Module there and that adjusts how fast the air bleeds off the diagram and how long the water shoots out of his sink. 01:16:05
In his cell. 01:16:10
Bing Waterfall. 01:16:15
That's another. 01:16:17
One has all corroded up. 01:16:18
Right here Hector is working on a push button for his a toilet right underneath them there so that they push the button on the 01:16:23
wall. 01:16:27
And they had a problem with this one that you go to the next one. 01:16:31
So the other guy is on the backside of the wall. 01:16:35
Where the the there's a metal rod that goes all the way through there. It hits a flush valve on the backside of the wall there and 01:16:38
he was working on that flush valve on the backside. So it takes two people to. 01:16:43
Work on that. You have one in the cell and one in the plumbing. Chase back there. 01:16:49
And this is a different type of a cell. This is one for a porcelain thing, but you can see where we had leakage and stuff on 01:16:55
there. So we take that whole thing all off, take it back to the shop, do a complete rebuild kit on the plungers and O rings and 01:17:00
everything in there. 01:17:04
Bring it back to the pipe chase and and put it back together. 01:17:08
So that's kind of what we do during pod cleaning besides all our our cleaning. 01:17:12
This is each cell has a. 01:17:18
Exhaust duct where the air goes out of the cell out to the exhaust fan on the roof. 01:17:22
This module here is where the smoke detector would get bolted onto. 01:17:27
We take all those off. 01:17:31
Go to the next month, Bill. You can see how dirty and it's all full of dust and lint and whatever inside there. We vacuum all this 01:17:34
stuff out. 01:17:37
And this is a smoke detector head that came out of there. You can see how much. 01:17:42
Lint and all that dirt. As we take that all off, we totally disassemble the head. 01:17:45
Blow it all out with compressed air and then put it all back together and then mount it back in the ductwork. 01:17:50
So we do that for each cell every year in the jail. 01:17:56
How many cells? 01:18:01
A lot. 01:18:04
Is there a lot of them? 01:18:06
There's close to 200 cells in the recipe bunks. 01:18:08
Jeez, that takes quite a while to do all that. Then it did about six weeks. 01:18:12
About six weeks. 01:18:17
You can see here this is one of the areas where we're starting to get some flaking paint and stuff that we want to take care of. 01:18:18
We see another one where it's coming out of a joint in a corner here. 01:18:28
And you can see above this sink here. It's starting to come off the wall. 01:18:34
We have done some painting over the years, not a lot. 01:18:38
Though most of the jail, probably 3/4 of it, is original paint yet which is now 25 years old. 01:18:41
We are starting to get more. 01:18:52
This is a supply grate in a cell steel grate. 01:18:53
We are starting to get more this type of rust and stuff on there, so we have to take that and sand that all the way down. 01:18:57
And then reprime it and then repaint it. 01:19:03
It's too bad that those weren't stainless steel or something. They are all black iron and they are starting to rust, so that is 01:19:07
getting to be something that we're spending more time on. 01:19:11
This one with the tile wall there that is actually a shower. 01:19:16
Exhaust vent. 01:19:19
Where it sucks the moisture out of the shower and you can see how that one's. 01:19:21
Getting rusty too. 01:19:26
The reason we were asking for up to $3000 for the jail improvement fund for painting. 01:19:28
You can see here this is. 01:19:34
Something that was. 01:19:36
Kind of splattered, thrown on the wall, it's up higher. 01:19:38
The guys have washed the walls but it just doesn't come clean anymore. So it's it's a day room that needs to be repainted in the 01:19:41
jail. 01:19:45
There's another one up here. Yeah, next to the phones, this, this looks terrible. But what this is? 01:19:52
Is. 01:19:58
Over the years when people have been on the phone, they they like the doodle a little bit on the. 01:19:59
Wall with a pencil or whatever, but. 01:20:04
This is from scrubbing these walls over the years that the paint is just plain worn right through. 01:20:07
So we're getting down to the the block. 01:20:13
And so this is an area that has not been repainted. It's it's 25 years old and it's time to paint because most jails. 01:20:17
If they can get 10 years before painting, they're doing pretty good. 01:20:23
Are you better off painting now all black around the phones? No Use a pre catalyzed enamel and it's a very hard glossy surface. 01:20:26
And. 01:20:36
It becomes out very well. 01:20:36
So that is why we were requesting some of the areas to be repainted because we wanted to look like it should. 01:20:40
This is underneath a pencil sharpener area and you can see when you get the stuff on the. 01:20:47
Floor. 01:20:53
From the inmates mopping and things like that. Eventually it does get into the wax and things like that, so we have to go back 01:20:54
through here. 01:20:58
Strip this tile floor down and then rewax it and then it'll. 01:21:01
It'll look like it should again. 01:21:05
But you can see on the walls there also there was some. 01:21:08
That need to be painted. 01:21:10
Occasionally we get some. 01:21:12
Plug vents. We don't get a lot of them, but we do get some inmates that like to. 01:21:14
If you use toilet paper and toothpaste they you can plug those up pretty good. 01:21:19
And you have to poke all those out and then. 01:21:23
We cut access holes in the back and the ductwork there and we opened the ductwork back up and then we suck everything back out 01:21:26
when they shop back. But. 01:21:30
That does happen. 01:21:35
Not a lot, but it does happen. 01:21:36
And you can also get toothpaste mixed with toilet paper, stuck on light fixtures, things like that. So we do clean all those 01:21:39
fixtures while we're going through the jail every year also. 01:21:44
And we do get graffiti and things in the cells. Not a lot, but some. 01:21:51
And. 01:21:56
The whole point of this is if you keep everything looking clean. 01:21:57
It's not so much. 01:22:01
It's not. 01:22:03
Looked at. That's acceptable to do that, you know. 01:22:04
If your whole jail and all your cells look like that, well then people just keep writing all the time. 01:22:07
Yeah. But if you keep it looking the way it's supposed to, there's, there's less of this happening. So. 01:22:11
We go through, we do clean all that off, we use remover, clean all that stuff off. 01:22:16
And then? 01:22:21
You can see somebody was writing a. 01:22:23
Novel or a letter to home or whatever they were writing. 01:22:25
Here's some more. 01:22:30
But when we are done, that's the way the walls look. 01:22:33
When we got them cleaned up. 01:22:36
You can see it that's a little bit more shiny Glossier paint and that's. 01:22:38
That is that pre catalyzed the enamel that we we use in the cells. 01:22:42
And that's the last one. That's the last one. So that is our cleaning that we do every year in February and March before our 01:22:50
annual ice inspection in April. 01:22:55
So it does take pretty much my whole staff and it is six weeks worth of time, but it. 01:23:01
It's something that we do every year just to keep it looking like it supposed maintained. Yeah, sure. 01:23:06
I could see why you get high remarks from your ice. 01:23:11
Team when they go through a tool. 01:23:14
Because you always got. 01:23:16
Good positive reports from them saying that it looks like it was built yesterday to jail. 01:23:17
So I could see why you guys take good care of it. And I said that's why we were asking for that money for paint. So we have those 01:23:23
areas spruce back up and looking good also. 01:23:27
You know that Sherwin Willet Williams product is. 01:23:31
Yep, it's not cheap, but it's very good paint. 01:23:35
So what do we got next? 01:23:43
Operations update. 01:23:45
Good news, we were able to finally fill our open custodial position yesterday. Phil hired A custodian yesterday. 01:23:48
This has been open since October 20th. 01:23:55
So it's. 01:23:57
Good to finally get somebody and they will be starting on Thursday the 19th of March. 01:23:58
But we're pretty excited about that. 01:24:03
Nice. 01:24:05
As soon as we're done with. 01:24:08
Pod Cleaning will be providing contractor escort for the jail as they are creating their inmate phone system. 01:24:10
They're changing vendors. We've had the same vendor for over 20 years and now they're changing to a. 01:24:16
New vendor for their inmate phones. 01:24:21
So we'll be starting three days per week. They'll be working on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays and. 01:24:24
We'll be starting with that as soon as pipe cleaning is finished, will be escorting. 01:24:33
And helping with that. 01:24:37
The jail will be providing one person and we will be providing one person. They'll have two teams going. 01:24:39
And between US and the jail and it, we're going to make this whole project work and get this. 01:24:45
Completed as soon as possible. 01:24:50
It does require pulling some more. 01:24:53
CAT5 data cables and other things like that for some wireless. 01:24:56
Receivers. We need additional wireless receivers in some areas. 01:25:00
And together, all three of us will make that all happen. 01:25:03
John, can I ask you where you guys advertise that you guys find help? 01:25:09
I mean, we've been advertising for our. 01:25:13
Position for our village and we can't get no applicants to apply it. I don't know where to go. I don't know where HR all put. They 01:25:15
put it out on the county's website. They put it out on indeed. 01:25:21
And I don't know, do you know? 01:25:26
Job net, job net. I guess that'd be a question for Tanya and HR. I don't know where she all advertises, but the the county has 01:25:30
certain areas where they. 01:25:34
Put stuff out at Jeff. Where do you guys advertise when you're looking for people are we've used indeed in the past we did tool. 01:25:39
And you got to pay for that every month and. 01:25:46
We just have no bites from it. And I just, you know, I'm running into a dead end. It's like my kids put it on Facebook's, on 01:25:50
Facebook. 01:25:53
OK. 01:25:57
Yeah, I'll give, I'll give Tanya a call once and find out because like I said, we're not having any luck and summers coming up and 01:25:59
I got up. 01:26:02
I got to get somebody there, but. 01:26:06
OK, the only other thing I got is we're trying to save a little money on utilities. So yesterday I shut the boilers down in J Pod. 01:26:08
We've never shut them down this early in the year. I don't think they're off for good. But if we do get below freezing weather, we 01:26:17
will turn them back on. But as long as we have these above freezing temperatures, they will remain off and we will just. 01:26:23
Save the gas and electric. 01:26:29
Cooper Yeah. 01:26:31
Well. 01:26:33
And that's my report. 01:26:35
All right. You guys got any questions for him? 01:26:37
Do you guys have any future agenda items you want to see on for next month? 01:26:41
Otherwise, we'll just leave it up to John and. 01:26:47
Well, I suppose if the. 01:26:50
Report isn't going to be done. 01:26:52
We want Brad to come back next month to talk to us before we goes to the full board or. 01:26:54
That would be nice, yeah. 01:26:59
Yeah. You would like to see it before that, yes, Yeah. 01:27:00
Yeah. 01:27:03
Yeah, I don't know. 01:27:08
We should really put something in there if it's not going to be done for this next meeting. 01:27:10
Let the supervisors know that it ain't getting done for this next meeting, but we will have something. 01:27:14
The following month participated being done for right because they are very getting very antsy. 01:27:20
And yeah. 01:27:25
So if we could, you know, if he doesn't have it done, Cameron would make that known in his weekly letter that he sends out. 01:27:27
Even even if they take the report that you guys consider not the full report and all the one that you just gave us here and then 01:27:34
maybe just amend it and say this options all with this options. 01:27:40
Because that's got a lot of information in it anyway. 01:27:46
All right, then we got to determine our next meeting date and time. So what's the? 01:27:51
April 2nd. 01:27:55
April 2nd. 01:27:56
I believe that is correct. 01:27:58
OK, at 4:00 everybody's OK with yet? 01:28:00
Yes. All right, that's fun. We'll meet then all the. 01:28:07
I'll declare the meeting adjourned at 5:29. 01:28:11