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Does he want to get paid? 00:00:06
I think he's here. 00:00:08
I didn't ask him yet. 00:00:09
That would doubt that he's not here as a supervisor so I would here is. 00:00:12
He's here with the booster. 00:00:17
Seeing the time is 7:00, we will call the. 00:00:24
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Have to wait one second. 00:00:42
Is present. 00:00:51
Wisconsin Workshop. 00:00:57
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Agenda. 00:01:03
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Yeah, the next one. I lose my agendas all the time. 00:01:09
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Thank you. 00:01:19
5:00 PM. 00:01:38
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Mary, do you know what's on that easel thing? 00:02:17
That's for the bolster. 00:02:20
So. 00:02:41
5. 00:02:57
Already. 00:03:06
Ready. Set. Go. 00:03:09
We will call the meeting. 00:03:12
Land Resources and Parks Committee meeting to order from Monday, January 12, 2026. 00:03:14
We have roll calls taken, we have all members of the committee here, so a quorum is present. 00:03:20
Could you please confirm compliance with the Open Meeting Law and the public hearing notice requirements? 00:03:27
It was noted that the meeting was properly noticed in accordance with open meetings law. 00:03:32
In order that the required notices for the public hearing listed on the agenda were posted, mailed, published in accordance with 00:03:37
state statute and code requirements. 00:03:40
All right. Thank you. Could you also explain the hearing procedures for tonight's meeting? 00:03:46
OK, we have a series of two public hearings tonight. Procedures for these hearings are as follows. 00:03:50
Committee chairman will read the public hearing notice, after which a report and recommendation that has been prepared by the 00:03:56
county land. 00:03:59
Resources and Parks Department. 00:04:04
Staff will be read into the record regarding the request before the committee. 00:04:06
Following the staff report, the floor will be open to the public. 00:04:10
For public comment. 00:04:13
If you would like to speak, please step forward to the microphone and state your name for the record. 00:04:15
And state your position regarding the request before the committee. 00:04:22
Please address your comments and questions to the committee because there are several public hearings tonight. 00:04:25
You'll be limited to 5 minutes to take. 00:04:31
To make your statement. Excuse me? 00:04:33
Or ask questions of the committee. You will only be allowed to speak once, so please be prepared. 00:04:36
After those in attendance that have spoken, written correspondence that has been received by the committee will then be read into 00:04:42
the record and the committee will have the opportunity at to ask the applicant any questions. 00:04:48
Following the committee questions, the applicant will be allowed to give a final statement for the record. 00:04:54
After receiving all public comment. 00:04:59
The committee will then deliberate. 00:05:02
The final decision on the request before them, a copy of the conditional use permit decision by the committee will be mailed to 00:05:04
the applicant and owner. 00:05:08
Any person or persons aggrieved by the conditional use permit. 00:05:13
Decision. 00:05:16
Made by the committee may file an appeal. 00:05:18
With the Land, Resources and Parks Department within 30 days after the date of the written notice of the decision or order of the 00:05:20
committee. 00:05:24
The county assumes no liability for and makes no warranty. 00:05:27
As to the reliance on any decision if construction is commenced prior to. 00:05:31
The exploration date of this 30 day period. 00:05:36
In addition, if a conditional use is denied, the applicant may appeal the decision to the Circuit Court under procedures contained 00:05:39
in. 00:05:43
5969 for parent 10 of Wisconsin Statutes. 00:05:47
If during this meeting, procedural questions or other points of order arise, the final decision of the committee may be. 00:05:51
May be postponed until. 00:05:57
More information is gathered, considered, and properly acted upon. 00:06:00
Thank you. Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the Dodge County Land, Resources and Parks Committee on 00:06:06
Monday, January 12, 2026 at 7:05 PM or shortly thereafter on the first floor. 00:06:12
Meeting rooms 1 H and one I of the Administration Building, Juneau, WI. On the application of Michael Carter for a conditional use 00:06:18
permit under the Land Use Code, Dodge County, Wisconsin, to allow for the establishment of a new non metallic mine within the A1 00:06:24
Prime Agricultural zoning district. 00:06:29
The property is located in the southeast corner of the Section 4 Town of Trenton. 00:06:35
Copy of the proposed project is available for review and the County Land Resources and Parks Department between the hours of 8:00 00:06:40
AM and 4:30 PM. 00:06:43
Monday through Friday, 920-386-3700. 00:06:48
All persons interests that are invited to attend and be heard written comments may be sent to the Dodge County Land Resources and 00:06:52
Parks Department at 127 E Oak St. Juneau, WI. 00:06:57
53039 or by e-mail to T Oaks at Co dot dodge dot WI dot US no later than January 9. 00:07:02
2026. 00:07:10
Dated December 2nd, 2025. 00:07:12
Dodge County Land Resources and Parks Committee. 00:07:14
By Dan Sigmund, Chair. 00:07:17
Could you please read the staff report now? 00:07:21
OK. An application for county conditional use permit under the Dodge County Land Use Code was made by the applicant to allow for 00:07:25
the establishment of a 223.4 acre non metallic mining. 00:07:31
Mine within the A1 prime agricultural zoning district. The county has zoning jurisdiction over the site is the Town of Trenton has 00:07:38
adopted the county's land use code. 00:07:42
Review criteria subsection 2.36 A through H of the land use code details Procedural matters. The approval criteria. 00:07:47
In the form of the Conditional Use Permit application. 00:07:56
According to Section 3, point 7.4 of the code, the committee may authorize the land use administrator to issue a conditional use 00:07:59
permit. 00:08:04
For conditional uses listed under Section 3, point 7.2 of the code, after review of the public hearing, provided that such 00:08:09
conditional uses. 00:08:14
Are in accordance with section 2.3, point 6 of this Code and Wisconsin statute 49. 00:08:19
Excuse me 91.46. 00:08:25
Land use code provisions section 3.2 point excuse me 3.7 point 2F of the land use code list non metallic mining operations. 00:08:29
As a conditional use permit in the A1 prime agricultural zoning district. 00:08:39
Section 6. Point 1.5. 00:08:43
D1. 00:08:46
Resource extraction and processing characteristics. 00:08:48
Resource extraction and processing include mining, extraction and. 00:08:52
Or processing of mineral or aggregate resources from the ground. 00:08:57
And the removal of peat or soil. 00:09:01
Off the site. 00:09:04
For off site use. Excuse me. 00:09:07
Section 6. Point 1.5. 00:09:10
Point or D2? 00:09:12
Resource extraction and processing. 00:09:15
Is accessory uses. Accessory uses may include storage, sorting, stockpiling. 00:09:18
Or the transfer off site of the mining material and may include concrete batching. 00:09:25
Crushers and asphalt production. 00:09:31
See Exhibit B for application definitions. 00:09:34
Now metallic mining reclamation ordinance provisions. 00:09:38
In accordance with NR. 135 point. 00:09:46
20 Pairing to a Wisconsin admin. 00:09:49
Wisconsin Administrative Code. 00:09:53
If there is a rezoning related hearing for a non metallic mining site. 00:09:56
The. 00:10:00
Regulatory authority shall provide the opportunity for this hearing. 00:10:01
To be. 00:10:05
To present testimony on reclamation matters. 00:10:05
The regulatory authority shall consider the reclamation related testimony in the in the zoning. 00:10:08
Related hearing. 00:10:15
In deciding on a permit application under the Non metallic mining Reclamation ordinance. 00:10:17
Purpose statement the. 00:10:23
Purpose of the A1 Prime Agricultural Zoning District is to promote areas of uses of a generally exclusive agricultural nature in 00:10:24
order to protect farmland. 00:10:29
Allow participation in the state's farmland preservation program. 00:10:34
And accommodating changing practices in the agricultural industry, subject to appropriate standards. 00:10:38
Project Details The applicant proposes to establish and operate a non metallic mining site. 00:10:45
Mining operation which is classified as a conditional use under Section 3.7, point 2F of the Dodge County Land Use Code. 00:10:55
The proposed project encompasses approximately 223.4 acres across 3 parcels zoned A1 Prime Agriculture. 00:11:03
The per the proposed mine will. 00:11:14
Extract bedrock limestone primarily for aggregate production. 00:11:16
With the potential for limited dimensional stone. 00:11:21
Mining operations will utilize portable equipment. 00:11:24
Including crushers, screens, conveyors and asphalt plant. 00:11:28
The concrete ready mix plant. 00:11:32
And a concrete ready mix plant. 00:11:34
The initial mining activities are. 00:11:35
Proposed to begin in the South. 00:11:38
West portion of the site based on the. 00:11:41
Test PIT investigations conducted by the applicant Overburden. 00:11:44
Depth is. 00:11:49
Estimated to range from approximately 5 to 10 feet. 00:11:50
Across the projected mining area. 00:11:54
Overboard overburdened material will be stockpiled for future reclamation activities for use. 00:11:57
Or use in. 00:12:04
To construct safety berms. 00:12:06
Aggregate extraction will occur. 00:12:08
Through controlled blasting. 00:12:11
Conducted by a contracted licensed blaster approximately once or twice per year. 00:12:13
The initial excavation phase is anticipated to include cuts ranging from 25 to 50 feet in depth. 00:12:20
With a sump excavated. 00:12:27
Approximately 10 feet deeper to facilitate dewatering. 00:12:29
The watering of the active mine will be accomplished using a sump pump. 00:12:34
With water either recycled with the mining operation. 00:12:38
For use. 00:12:43
In the wash plant or directed? 00:12:44
To an on site settling pond. 00:12:47
The settling pond will be located within the mine area and the construction. 00:12:49
And and constructed using clay overburden. 00:12:55
Discharge from the settling pond to local drainage ditches will occur in compliance with Wisconsin Pollutant Discharge. 00:12:58
Elimination systems. 00:13:05
General permit number WI dash. 00:13:08
0046515-07-2. 00:13:12
Following blasting, rock material will be excavated and conveyed to portable crushing equipment for processing directly through 00:13:18
portable crushers. 00:13:22
Material will be screened. 00:13:27
To. 00:13:29
Achieve desired graduation and placed into stockpiles by size. 00:13:30
Some crushed material will be washed using mine water. 00:13:35
With. 00:13:39
Processed water routing. 00:13:41
To the settling pond to allow for the settlement of fine materials, including and clay sized particles. 00:13:43
Settled fines will be used in site reclamation or otherwise managed in accordance with applicable state regulations. 00:13:51
Truck traffic associated with the operation will assess the site. 00:13:58
Access the site from Breezy Point Rd. 00:14:03
With loading occurring near the active mine site. 00:14:06
The estimated annual production of the operation is. 00:14:09
Approximately 50,200 thousand tons. 00:14:14
Development of the mind is proposed to occur upon receipt of all applicable local, state and federal permits. 00:14:18
Initial site. 00:14:27
Development is anticipated to occur during the first year of permit. 00:14:28
For of a. 00:14:34
Of permit approval. 00:14:35
With expansion occurring incrementally in response to market demand. 00:14:36
Over several years. 00:14:42
Mining activities are expected to progress in a continuous and transitional manner until the aggregate resources is exhausted. 00:14:43
Followed by reclamation of the site in accordance with. 00:14:51
Approved reclamation plans. 00:14:54
To find operation bases are not proposed due to the nature of the mining progression. 00:14:56
The proposed hours of operation are Monday through Friday. 00:15:04
6:00 AM to 6:00 PM. 00:15:07
And Saturday from 6. 00:15:09
AM to 2:00 PM. 00:15:12
Equipment maintenance and repair may take place outside these hours, depending on the situation. 00:15:14
There will be approximately 5 employees working the site. 00:15:20
At the. 00:15:23
On a part time basis. 00:15:24
A scale house with a nearby parking lot is proposed near the entrance of the mine. 00:15:26
Sanitary facilities will. 00:15:32
Consist of a portable restroom and solid waste dumpster. 00:15:35
There will be. 00:15:40
These will be placed near the scale house. Stormwater management, soil erosion and dust control plans have been submitted. 00:15:41
Special features of the site. 00:15:50
Features of the of the proposed construction and. 00:15:52
Property that relate to the granting or denial of a conditional use permit requests are as follows. 00:15:56
County has zoning jurisdiction over the site of the Town of Trenton. Has adopted the county's land use code. 00:16:02
The site is located within the A1 Prime Agricultural zoning district. 00:16:07
The proposed quarry is not located with. 00:16:12
Counties, Wisconsin or floodplain jurisdiction. 00:16:15
Topography of the site is nearly level, with the majority of slopes ranging from 2 to 6%. 00:16:19
Current land use of the site is agricultural. 00:16:26
The current land uses of the surrounding area are agricultural with supporting residents existing non metallic mines to the 00:16:29
southwest. 00:16:33
An industrial development to the South within the Beaver Dam city limits. 00:16:38
We have no designated archaeological sites. 00:16:45
The town has recommended approval. 00:16:48
Staff Advisories Staff has reviewed the proposal for compliance with the criteria listed in 2.3 point 6F of the Dodge County Land 00:16:52
Use Code. 00:16:57
Staff comments are listed in Exhibit A for review by the committee. 00:17:02
Staff points out that within Wisconsin Acts 67, substantial evidence means facts and information other than merely personal 00:17:07
preference or speculation. 00:17:12
Directly pertaining to the requirements of the conditions an applicant must meet. 00:17:17
To obtain a conditional use permit. 00:17:22
And that reasonable persons would accept or support of a conclusion. 00:17:24
Of a conclusion. 00:17:28
Staff must also note that per Section 2.36 D three of the Dodge County Land Use Code, the requirements of a conditional use. 00:17:30
Must be reasonable and to the. 00:17:39
Extent practical. 00:17:42
Practicable. 00:17:44
Measurable and may include conditions such as permit duration. 00:17:45
Transfer or renewal? 00:17:49
Staff has reviewed the proposal with the request to the criteria listed in 2.36 F of the code. 00:17:52
Staff believes that if proper permitting is obtained through the DNR land use code. 00:17:59
The purpose of the code can be achieved. 00:18:04
Some of the historical conditions Some historical conditions in this type and size of project include, but are not limited to. 00:18:07
I got 19. 00:18:18
Possible conditions. 00:18:23
One, the business operation shall be conducted in a manner that does not create a risk. 00:18:25
Of fire, explosion or other accident and shall not be detrimental to public health, safety, general welfare and the surrounding 00:18:30
neighboring community. 00:18:34
Two, any substantial or material deviation from the operation plan on file with the department may require review and approval of 00:18:38
a new or amended conditional use permit. 00:18:44
Three all erosion control and stormwater management measures. 00:18:50
Required by the applicant. 00:18:55
By acquired by a. 00:18:57
Applicable federal, state, county and local regulations shall be installed prior to the land disturbing activities. 00:18:59
And Shelby maintained throughout a duration of the mining operation in accordance with accepted best management practices. 00:19:05
For the applicant shall maintain a non metallic mining reclamation permit in accordance with Dodge County non Metallic mining 00:19:13
Reclamation ordinance. This permit shall require compliance with all approved reclamation plans. 00:19:19
Consistent with Section 4.3 of the Ordinance and the provisions of financial assurance in accordance with Section 5 of the 00:19:26
Ordinance prior to commencement of the quarry. 00:19:31
Five the the reclamation plan for the finished pond shall include modifications to the shape of the pond to include irregular. 00:19:41
Non rectangular boundaries so that the pond is more attractive. 00:19:51
Feature then. 00:19:56
Excuse me feature when it is finished. 00:19:58
Six, uh. 00:20:00
Applicant shall implement and maintain appropriate dust control measures throughout the mining operation to minimize. 00:20:01
Dust generated from the site. 00:20:08
7 The minimum set back. 00:20:12
Of 100 feet shall be maintained from all berms to the surrounding property lines. 00:20:13
8 The application at the applicant shell. 00:20:20
Be responsible for reimbursing the town or county for any repairs or reconstruction required to public haul roads. 00:20:23
Used to connect with nonmetallic mining operation. 00:20:31
Prior to the issuance of the conditional use permit, the applicant shall provide documentation demonstrating adequate assurances 00:20:34
and agreements. 00:20:38
Are in place to address the maintenance of public hall roads. 00:20:43
9 Any fuel oil or other hazardous material are stored on site. 00:20:48
All storage, handling, and containment procedures shall comply with the applicable federal, state, and local regulations to 00:20:53
prevent soil and groundwater contamination. 00:20:58
10 crushing asphalt. 00:21:03
Concrete and hauling activities shall be limited to the hours of 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM, Monday through Friday. 00:21:06
And 6:00 AM to 2:00 PM on Saturday within. 00:21:13
Saturdays when necessary. 00:21:17
11 Blasting activities shall be limited to the hours of 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM, Monday through Friday. 00:21:19
In 10 AM to 2:00 PM on Saturdays when necessary. 00:21:26
Storage and handling and use of explosives shall comply with all applicable federal, state, and local regulations. 00:21:30
12A Land use permit shall be obtained for the scale house and any additional structures constructed or placed on the site. 00:21:37
13 A driveway access permit along with an emergency response building number. 00:21:45
Shall be obtained. 00:21:51
14 Berms shall be fully encompassed around areas actively being mined. 00:21:54
Additionally, berms shall be vegetated and appropriate safety signage shall be installed. 00:22:00
15 No topsoil is to leave the site. 00:22:06
16. 00:22:09
No ink in. 00:22:11
Inconsistencies with the reclamation plan shall be addressed. 00:22:12
Or correct, excuse me. 00:22:16
Any inconsistencies within the reclamation plan? 00:22:18
Shall be addressed and corrected prior to approval. 00:22:22
17 All applicable local, state, and federal permits and approvals shall be obtained and maintained. 00:22:26
18 the. 00:22:33
The approval shall expire one year after the decision is filed with the department unless construction has been diligently 00:22:34
pursued. 00:22:38
A certificate certificate. 00:22:43
Of zoning compliance has been issued and approved using. 00:22:45
Approved. 00:22:49
The approved use. 00:22:51
Has been established or the Conditions Use permit has been renewed for a period not to exceed one additional year. 00:22:52
19. 00:23:00
The conditional use permits show expire. 00:23:01
Upon termination of the project. 00:23:04
Or if the rights granted by the permit are discontinued for a period of 180 consecutive days. 00:23:06
Thank you very much. Is the applicant. 00:23:18
This evening. Hi. 00:23:21
Could you? 00:23:22
I get a good chair. Could you sit at the table here and just state your name for the record here please? 00:23:25
We'll get a chair for you. 00:23:32
Anybody else? 00:23:34
Hi, I'm Mike, our Ketchner. 00:23:50
This is Park Carbon Knocker. 00:23:52
He's my consultant and consultant that. 00:23:55
Help draft this reclamation plan. 00:23:58
Pardon, could they microphone when I hear this? 00:24:01
Is. 00:24:04
Tap Tap on the book. 00:24:04
Bring it closer to you. It should be in OK. Can you hear us now? That's OK. So I'm Mike Krishna here, the applicant. 00:24:07
And this is Mark Krabenacher. He's our consultant that helped us draft this reclamation plan here. 00:24:14
So. 00:24:21
Is there anything you'd like to add to what you've heard read on the record? 00:24:23
At this point. 00:24:26
Just essentially that, yeah, we're looking to develop on. 00:24:30
Non metallic mine here. 00:24:34
It's going to start. 00:24:36
With approximately 10 acres and it'll grow as we need. 00:24:37
As demand grows. 00:24:41
For the need of. 00:24:43
So you figure to sort of move around. 00:24:46
Acreage as you. 00:24:48
Mine it you mean or That way, yeah, could always get bigger. 00:24:50
Correct. So essentially we would start where the the nearest driveway is to County Road A. 00:24:54
So that we're not. 00:25:00
Utilizing very much of Breezy Point Rd. 00:25:01
So that's where our scale and a little parking area would be for employees or. 00:25:05
You know people that would. 00:25:10
Stop and then we would start mining close to that and then it would just move out from there. 00:25:12
I essentially we would start, you know. 00:25:21
Closer to the road and. 00:25:23
Go to the north and to the east from there. 00:25:26
OK. 00:25:28
I'll add a little bit. 00:25:30
It's 223 acres, big property. 00:25:32
But over the course of 10 to 20 years, the initial 10 to 20 years, it would only. 00:25:36
Open up about. 00:25:42
20 to 30 acres. 00:25:43
Also, the majority of this property is going to always be in agricultural. 00:25:44
The The quarry will be initially mined 25 to 50 foot. 00:25:49
Deep at the 25 foot benches. 00:25:54
But there's 70 feet of rock, so that'll be the ultimate. 00:25:56
Depth would be 70 feet. 00:26:00
And, and, and so that, and that's how the quarry is going to grow from the southwest, it'll grow east. 00:26:04
And North. 00:26:10
And work its way that way. And then there's the electric transmission line that runs north-south. 00:26:11
Through the approximate center of the property. 00:26:17
And you know, they can maybe go under that to get into that eastern portion of the property. 00:26:19
And develop that probably last. 00:26:25
If that makes sense. 00:26:28
So you're saying after how many acres would be still? 00:26:29
In egg after 20 years, you said in the 1st 10 to 20 years, Mike estimates it would be 20 to 30 acres would be. 00:26:33
Affected leaving. 00:26:40
Really. Almost 200 acres, Still an egg? 00:26:43
OK if I make comment. 00:26:46
Can I come in on the draft conditions just. 00:26:49
Two of them just or one? 00:26:52
One of the draft conditions, I think it's up to you. I mean, sure, if you'd like. 00:26:54
#8 as it was read. 00:27:00
Restricts the. 00:27:04
A-100 Foot set back from the property boundaries. Berms shall be 100 feet from the property boundaries. 00:27:06
It's common. 00:27:15
To have a mining set back. 00:27:17
2550 or 100 feet from the property boundary, but often if there's excess overburden that needs to be stored in the berm. 00:27:19
That berm is in that 100 feet. 00:27:28
Not. 00:27:31
Outside the 100 feet meaning. 00:27:32
So between the property boundary and that 100 foot mining set back, that's the place to put the berm. 00:27:35
Otherwise, that land is just. 00:27:41
Kind of wasted. So you're saying 200 feet should be from the boundary, not from the berm because the berm is going to be in that 00:27:42
100 feet. I'm thinking, well, typically the mining set back is 100 feet from the property boundary, but the berm can be. 00:27:48
In that 100 feet, as long as it's, you know, not on the road, you know it's off the road, but it's on the private property. 00:27:55
In within that 100 foot mining set back. 00:28:01
And and I don't recall what the ordinance says about a mining set back. 00:28:05
But if that could be allowed. 00:28:09
And the other. 00:28:12
Condition. 00:28:14
The the permit is valid for one year. 00:28:16
And if there's no. 00:28:20
Action taken it can be withdrawn, but he intends on developing the mind within one year and after the mine is developed after that 00:28:22
first year can be. 00:28:27
Extended another year. 00:28:32
But there needs to be language that. 00:28:35
Includes. 00:28:38
Annual or biennial? 00:28:39
Renewal of the permit. You can't develop a mine. 00:28:41
That might have a 50 year life and only have a one year permit. 00:28:45
Unless. 00:28:48
It's, you know, it's an administrative renewal. 00:28:49
Upon meeting all the conditions if. 00:28:53
If I understand correctly, as long as you are in business. 00:28:56
You the permit continues on. 00:28:59
Is that, is that OK? That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. It just wasn't. If you don't do anything for a year, then we have another. 00:29:01
Thing to look at. 00:29:08
Yeah. And I guess to add to, I mean just comments about. 00:29:10
Since Mark was touching on. 00:29:14
The conditions. 00:29:16
I guess the the only thing I would ask about hours of operation is that if we had a job, job specific need where we needed 00:29:18
extended hours that we'd have a process that we could talk to either the. 00:29:24
The county or the Township, whoever at that point and request additional hours for a. 00:29:29
Project, whether that be earlier or later or. 00:29:34
You know, sometimes. 00:29:37
You know, whether it's a wisdom or a county job, there's certain hours that you need to hit, so we'd ask for that. 00:29:38
To be part of the hours. 00:29:44
Condition. 00:29:46
Like which hours would that typically run into then on Sundays too? 00:29:49
Sometimes like certain dot jobs will require night paving or you know, like. 00:29:53
It has to be done in off hours for traffic reasons or you know, certain stipulations. 00:29:59
So, you know, that'd be a specific, you know, like if we said, hey, we have X project. 00:30:04
We would like to run these hours that we be able to request that. 00:30:08
OK, Anything else you'd like to add right now? 00:30:13
The only other thing I'd say is, you know, as being a neighbor to several houses that are on this project, you know, I guess from 00:30:17
my perspective is that I would rather have our berms and our mining closer to the property lines. But I'd be more than willing 00:30:23
like around the houses, you know, if we wanted to hold it out farther to the 100 feet or something like that, you know that I have 00:30:29
no problem with that. It's just. 00:30:35
If like along like the road or the. 00:30:40
Adjacent farm field, if we have to stay in farther, that's more acres that are not going to be in. 00:30:44
Agriculture at that point. 00:30:48
So. 00:30:50
I guess you know, as a compromise, I guess my recommendation be like to have a wider. 00:30:52
Set back from the houses. 00:30:57
And if we could go closer to the adjacent field or? 00:30:58
To the roadway. 00:31:01
You know, for the. 00:31:02
The mining set back to be tighter. You'd make that concession around the. 00:31:03
Houses, you're saying yes. 00:31:07
Yeah. 00:31:09
And then the only other comment I would say is that one of the conditions was is that no topsoil shall leave the site. 00:31:14
But when we did. 00:31:20
Reclaim this. 00:31:23
This project, you know into back into a pond and and the higher uplands we will not need all the topsoil so. 00:31:24
There'll be some topsoil that's going to have to leave. 00:31:32
So at that point, I don't think that'd be a very good, you know, as long as if we had a condition in there saying there's. 00:31:35
Ample topsail to reclaim it or something along those lines. I guess that'd be my only comment there. 00:31:41
Catch. 00:31:48
OK. Anything else? 00:31:54
Right now. 00:31:56
No, I mean other than, you know, we're. 00:31:57
You'll get one more chance at the end to say something if you'd like to. 00:31:59
All right. Is there anybody present here tonight that would like to speak in favor of this variance request that is before us? 00:32:04
Anybody here would like to speak in favor of this request? 00:32:08
Anybody here that would like to come forward and speak in favor of? 00:32:13
This variance request before us. 00:32:16
Is there anybody here that would like to speak in opposition to this variance request that is before the committee? You can just 00:32:19
come up forward and stand by the microphone. That's up here. 00:32:24
State your name. 00:32:30
For the record, and. 00:32:32
You may speak. 00:32:34
Hi, can you hear me? Yes, Miley Kaczynski. I live on Spruce Rd. in the Township of Trenton. 00:32:40
I am here because the existing quarries have already made our Rd. unsafe, they are poisoning our water and they have shown that 00:32:47
they cannot be trusted to follow the rules and approving another one would be negligent on your part. 00:32:53
First of all, public safety has been ignored despite a Lord's speed limit and increase. 00:33:00
Troll cars. 00:33:06
Measures taken because of our complaining. 00:33:07
The speeding dump truck drivers use radios to invade enforcement and slow down for the police car warn one another with their 00:33:10
radios. 00:33:14
And then resume speeding and using loud Jake breaks the moment that the car leaves. 00:33:17
It's a coordinated disregard for the law and this took monthly meetings. 00:33:22
With an entire safety investigation to get them to lower the speed limit on our road and they are still not being followed. 00:33:27
2nd, the infrastructure damage is catastrophic and documented. 00:33:35
I have a packet for you of photos showing the culverts collapsing under the weight of these trucks and our Rd. being destroyed. 00:33:39
Their own agreement with the Township to rebuild part of our Rd. due to the weight of the trucks is an admission of their guilt 00:33:47
and not a solution. 00:33:51
The dust and the crab gravel all over our Rd. make it unsafe, particularly for motorcycle riders and the kids riding dirt bikes to 00:33:55
get to and from different parts of the farm fields that they're working on, and they do not get cleaned up regularly unless we 00:34:02
call and make a complaint. 3rd, and most gravely is the environmental threat. 00:34:08
The water pumped from these quarries through our property is not just eroding our land, it is contaminated. 00:34:15
Testing in the past has already revealed arsenic in our Creek water, linked to the explosive used in quarries. 00:34:21
Furthermore, we experienced severe erosion and violent water surging that correlate with water in pumping activity eroding our 00:34:28
Creek bed by over 5 feet in the last 10 years and washing out our bridge. 00:34:34
I would like to remind you that while you can issue permits, there is one DNR permit for the officer for the entire state of 00:34:41
Wisconsin. 00:34:45
So you have no one to make sure that these permits are going to be followed. 00:34:50
There is no oversight. 00:34:55
And finally, I must warn you of a major liability you are risking. 00:34:57
Just passed. This proposed site is the construction of a major data center. 00:35:01
They have already denied causing the damage that we are seeing and if you approve this quarry, you are inserting a new legally 00:35:05
responsible party into this mess. 00:35:09
When that data centers multi billion dollar project faces environmental scrutiny, as they all do, their legal team has every 00:35:13
reason to blame the newly permitted quarry and protect their investment. 00:35:18
The county could become entangled in a complex legal battle between powerful corporations. You are accepting liability for future 00:35:24
corporate legal battle and multiplying the source of toxic contaminant. 00:35:30
Let me be clear, we are talking about a known carcinogen, water. 00:35:36
The willful evasion of traffic laws and the risk of major litigation. 00:35:40
The DNR has been heavily invested in this investigation throughout the years and more significantly, this past year. 00:35:44
I've included my documentation, images and DNR contacting. 00:35:50
I've been making videos about this on my social media account and I have over 1,000,000 views on my videos and comments from 00:35:54
people in similar situations around the country. 00:35:58
Just since May this year. 00:36:02
One of the workers at the data site has told me they used to blast and hit water at 8 to 10 feet. They're now not hitting water 00:36:05
until 20 feet. 00:36:08
This water goes through a drainage easement from both of these places, the old quarries that are in place now in the new proposed 00:36:13
site, and they go through a 20 foot wide easement right through my front yard. 00:36:19
It is washing out the bridge that we have to drive our tractor over to get down to our horses. 00:36:25
They have also. 00:36:30
Warned all of us to get our water tested. 00:36:32
And because of my views on my videos. 00:36:34
Everybody around us knows what's going on and we are religiously testing our water and we are going to know if there's a change in 00:36:37
the quality of our water and we are asking that you help protect us. You have a duty to protect the health, the safety and the 00:36:43
welfare of your residents. The existing operations have failed. Do not compound this failure. 00:36:49
The evidence is undeniable and please do not approve another quarry and deny this permit. 00:36:56
Thank you. 00:37:08
My name is Rob Kaczynski. Can you hear me OK? 00:37:10
I live in the same location W 9230 Spruce Rd. 00:37:14
We've been working with the quarries for years. Some of the comments. 00:37:18
That was shown in the original proposal. 00:37:24
Have already started to be amended the. 00:37:27
Amending of ours. 00:37:30
On the truck traffic, things like that, we're already asking. 00:37:31
For that to be changed, it's the same thing that we've seen. 00:37:35
I think quarries by our house. 00:37:38
Is it started off? 00:37:40
With certain. 00:37:43
And then it warped overtime and it morphed. 00:37:44
Tonight's Weekends. 00:37:47
A certain proposals on where they're putting the mounds, things of that nature. 00:37:51
So we are asking you tonight, do not give approval. 00:37:55
For rezoning. 00:37:58
For the purpose of the quarry. 00:38:00
We believe that, Corey. 00:38:02
Would Endanger endanger the safety of the local community, which was part of the proposal that he read off? 00:38:04
We. 00:38:10
Believe that is going to be extremely detrimental to. 00:38:12
The area that it's in, the roads, the bridges. 00:38:17
Overtime, we're talking about 50 years, the amount of truck traffic. 00:38:21
We're up to, at certain times of the season, 1 truck going by per minute. 00:38:25
Every 60 seconds we have a truck going by. 00:38:31
That is causing incredible damage to the roads and the bridges. The bridge on our property has already had to be replaced once. 00:38:34
Due to the amount of traffic going by, so please look at not just today, but the future. 00:38:42
In the cost that it's going to be to us not just today but down the road. 00:38:49
Thank you. 00:38:53
Thank you. 00:38:55
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 00:38:56
OK, just state your name for the record please. 00:39:08
Yes. 00:39:11
My name is Robert Shank, Felt. 00:39:12
Living at N 9481 County Road A. 00:39:14
I'm speaking on behalf of myself. 00:39:20
And my sister. 00:39:22
Who lives at N? 00:39:24
9369. 00:39:26
County Road. 00:39:29
Where the property is less than 300 feet from the proposed might some. 00:39:31
Proposed mine site. 00:39:36
We have experienced. 00:39:39
Living with quarries around our neighborhood. 00:39:41
Since we've been children. 00:39:45
And has the chords that be expanded. 00:39:47
They keep getting louder. 00:39:49
They no longer. 00:39:52
Pay attention to the hours. 00:39:53
They expand their blasting. 00:39:55
We have a house. 00:39:58
That's also on the bedrock. 00:40:00
And because of that. 00:40:02
Walls are cracked. 00:40:04
The. 00:40:06
Plaster has fallen from some of the ceiling. 00:40:08
The districts rattled in the House. 00:40:11
And they think nothing of it. You can tell them what you want. 00:40:15
But they have no. 00:40:18
Condition. 00:40:19
To change. 00:40:20
OK. 00:40:23
Since the proposal is to. 00:40:28
Change some A1. 00:40:31
Land and taken out of agricultural production. 00:40:33
You people. 00:40:38
I myself. 00:40:40
And everyone of these people in this room will never see the day when they need to land. 00:40:41
But there is going to be a day. 00:40:46
Correctly, even from the next generation or three generations down the road. 00:40:49
They still have to eat. 00:40:54
OK. 00:41:00
There are two sinkholes. 00:41:01
Just down the road. 00:41:04
From wherever. 00:41:06
It's on the same bedrock. 00:41:07
That these sites. 00:41:09
Or if This site is proposing. 00:41:11
To open up. 00:41:13
Once blasting starts. 00:41:16
The drainage from these holes. 00:41:19
Will expand because the cracks get wider. 00:41:21
And eventually. 00:41:25
All this water. 00:41:26
Does get down? 00:41:27
To Beaver Dam Lake. 00:41:28
I have friends that still like to fish. 00:41:31
And that's their prerogative. 00:41:34
Now it's been mentioned that there are 200 and. 00:41:40
23 acres. 00:41:43
On this farm. 00:41:46
That will drain completely. 00:41:48
From the east. 00:41:51
To the West. 00:41:52
I have lived there. 00:41:54
For all these years. 00:41:56
And the water does come. 00:41:58
From the east. 00:42:00
To the West. 00:42:01
As it gets down closer to a. 00:42:03
It starts to flood. 00:42:06
The drainage. 00:42:08
Ditch that is there. 00:42:09
All has to go through the. 00:42:12
Culvert under a. 00:42:14
And out into the field. 00:42:17
There was extra water being of. 00:42:20
Spread out over there. 00:42:24
Once the pond. 00:42:27
Proposed on the West side. 00:42:29
Is filled. 00:42:31
What happens if it rains? 00:42:33
Two to three inches. 00:42:35
We have seen as much as 8 to 10 inches in 2008, but that's a rarity. 00:42:37
But we have received many. 00:42:43
Two to three inches. 00:42:44
Over a one or two day period. 00:42:46
And where does this water go? 00:42:48
And means it has to go down. 00:42:50
Drains through the ponds. 00:42:52
Bring more silt. 00:42:55
And contamination and then drain out over into the. 00:42:57
East West side of the highway A. 00:43:03
Onto that bedrock. 00:43:05
OK, the layer of the bread rock. 00:43:14
Covers the area where the. 00:43:17
Corey is proposed. 00:43:20
Blasting will occur to reach the 25 to 50 foot level. 00:43:22
And. 00:43:27
To obtain the rock for the cement plant. 00:43:28
Blacktop plant. 00:43:31
And for general use. 00:43:33
All buildings. 00:43:35
On Laurie's property. 00:43:37
Are set on the bed. 00:43:39
Rock Now the barns are no longer. 00:43:41
That granary is no longer there. 00:43:45
Because we have retired from farming. 00:43:47
But the house still stands. 00:43:50
The Shed. 00:43:52
Machine shed there. 00:43:54
On the. 00:43:56
Northside. 00:43:58
The bed, the. 00:43:59
Post for the Shed. 00:44:01
Can only go in. 00:44:02
2 feet. 00:44:04
Without blasting. 00:44:05
It does get a little bit deeper down towards the other end. 00:44:07
But we're still into 4 foot levels. 00:44:12
OK. 00:44:21
Now, uh. 00:44:24
You have about 30 seconds, yet 30 seconds. 00:44:25
I mentioned once about the vibration cracks on the wall sole crystal. Far so. 00:44:28
Sophie, what happens now if the well does? 00:44:33
Board gets contaminated and goes dry. 00:44:37
We see no compensation. 00:44:39
That, uh. 00:44:42
The county is receiving. 00:44:42
But we're receiving no compensation. 00:44:44
For the oil which in the. 00:44:46
Cost any sense of $20,000. 00:44:50
Can you close it up now please? 00:45:01
We still have a problem with dust control. 00:45:04
We have yet to. 00:45:07
Find anyone of the pits area that do control their dust. 00:45:09
So on, so forth. 00:45:14
OK, fine. 00:45:18
All right. Thank you very much. 00:45:19
Thank you. 00:45:22
Hello, my name is Kirk Warmka. 00:45:29
I'm not a public speaker, so this is kind of shaky to me. 00:45:31
But I live just down the hill from Bob, so all that water that these guys have no idea what they're dealing with. 00:45:34
Goes on to me. 00:45:40
And I have not. 00:45:42
Got any card from you guys saying that this meeting was happening? I found out about it today at 2:30 I got a phone call. 00:45:43
Then I got 3 phone calls. 00:45:49
I want you guys to look at all them houses around there and. 00:45:51
Remember, that was a beautiful farm. 00:45:55
And now they're going to lookout there and see these. 00:45:57
Big piles of dirt. 00:45:59
Every day. 00:46:00
Think you should make a big pile of dirt around your house to see how you like it? 00:46:02
I just don't think you guys have any idea. 00:46:06
What happens to all that water? 00:46:09
You think you can make these ponds? 00:46:11
And it's going to hold them. It doesn't. 00:46:13
You get these big storms like Bob just said. 00:46:15
It's ridiculous what happens downstream. 00:46:18
To the lady. 00:46:21
On spruce so. 00:46:22
I just don't know how. I think there's plenty of quarries around. 00:46:25
To get the rock out of there's, I think it's all about the almighty dollar. 00:46:29
And it needs to stop. 00:46:33
We need to not let this happen. 00:46:34
Is there anybody else that would like to speak in opposition? 00:46:40
Please come forward. 00:46:44
I would like to. 00:46:47
Comment that this is a public hearing. 00:46:48
And when people get done speaking, there is no applause, please. 00:46:51
Hello, my name is Colt Kaczynski. I lived at W 9230 Spruce Rd. 00:46:57
I also. 00:47:04
Sorry, I'm real tall. 00:47:09
Is this better? 00:47:13
Yes, that's better. 00:47:14
So like I sang, I live at the same household. 00:47:16
And I'd like to talk about how all those dump truck just comes being by. 00:47:20
They killed my dog. 00:47:25
Completely ignored speed limits. 00:47:27
Ignored warnings of. 00:47:30
That there's a hill completely ignored it and just blew right through. 00:47:33
And ran them over. 00:47:36
Honestly, it scared me. 00:47:40
I never wanted to leave my driveway. 00:47:42
I would be next. 00:47:45
And then? 00:47:47
Another big thing is I'm a very active motorcycle rider. I take all the precautions I can. I wear. 00:47:48
Protective gear. 00:47:54
I wear gloves, pads, helmets. 00:47:56
But there's nothing that prepares you for just a pile of gravel on the road. 00:48:00
You can lose control very quickly. I've seen it happen. 00:48:04
I do it for work. I work for a crop care company, Phillips Crop Care. 00:48:08
We ride motorcycles and we. 00:48:13
Have very safe training. 00:48:15
But. 00:48:18
There's just nothing, especially if it's raining. 00:48:19
It will get all over the road and there's just no. 00:48:22
Nothing there. They'll take care of it. 00:48:25
It'll disappear one day. 00:48:29
We make a point. 00:48:31
Next. 00:48:32
Same piles there again. 00:48:33
And the trucks just coming around of a blind corner. 00:48:36
You you can't prepare for it. 00:48:40
You'll be coming out and then suddenly. 00:48:42
There's things coming 60 miles an hour and it's not stopping. 00:48:45
That thing will flatten a car immediately. I've seen it happen. 00:48:49
And I don't believe this. 00:48:53
I wouldn't want. 00:48:56
Anyone here to go through what? 00:48:57
What some people have, and I'm guessing you guys won't either. 00:48:59
So I just hope you think of. 00:49:03
Like, well, what we have to deal with. 00:49:05
And I appreciate you taking the time to hear us out. 00:49:07
Thank you. 00:49:10
Can I get your name? Sorry. 00:49:11
Yes, Colt Kosinski. 00:49:13
CLT. 00:49:15
Kos. 00:49:16
And SK I. 00:49:18
All right. Thank you. 00:49:21
Thank you, Sir. Is there anybody else that like to come forward speak in opposition to this variance request? 00:49:22
Just tip the mic down. I think you'll be fine, Harry. Well. 00:49:33
Are you saying I'm short? 00:49:38
My name is Kim Martell. 00:49:41
I live on Redwood Road, which is just to the north of where we speak. I'm on the corner there of Redwood and Jersey. 00:49:43
I believe there over 30 years. 00:49:51
I'm familiar with the the other quarries in the area if you haven't been around when the blast happens. 00:49:53
It scares the living daylights out of you. 00:49:59
So I'm not in favor of additional blasting. 00:50:02
I need to remind everyone that that is prime agriculture land and we do need to protect our agriculture land. 00:50:06
That is what Dodge County is about. 00:50:13
That is what Wisconsin is about. We need to protect our egg land. 00:50:15
I am an I. 00:50:21
Regularly the exercise. I walk Jersey Rd. every day. 00:50:23
Summertime I I'm biking Jersey Road and Breezy Point. 00:50:27
And with the additional traffic. 00:50:32
It's not going to be safe for me. 00:50:35
For my children or my husband or anyone else that I decide to. 00:50:37
Drag along with me. 00:50:41
So I, I'm, I'm a little bit selfish in that way, but I'm trying to protect myself. This is my neighborhood. 00:50:43
I am literally just a half a mile away. 00:50:50
I have to drive by. 00:50:53
Of the data center and take WNW for dam every day. I work in Beaver Dam. 00:50:55
The roads are are destroyed from all of the dump trucks and all of the activity that is happening. 00:51:02
I don't know if someone's going to start covering our. 00:51:09
Alignments because it's is absolutely terrible. 00:51:12
So again, I'm being selfish but. 00:51:15
I'm asking you not to. 00:51:18
Not to. 00:51:20
Approve the request. 00:51:22
I am. 00:51:25
A little bit more distance away from the. 00:51:26
The other quarries, but let me tell you, the dust is a is a big factor. I was out walking tonight. 00:51:29
4:00-ish hour. 00:51:37
And the horizon, you could see the dust. 00:51:39
Looking towards. 00:51:42
That corner. 00:51:44
Of from from Redwood down to that corner, it's just. 00:51:46
A haze of dust. 00:51:51
I I want to be able to enjoy being outdoors. I again. I've lived here for over 30 years. 00:51:54
This is my neighborhood and I'm I'm being selfish but I need to protect it. 00:52:01
For my, for myself, for my children. 00:52:05
For my husband. 00:52:07
I want to enjoy living where I'm at. 00:52:09
Thank you. OK, Thank you. 00:52:11
Is there anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? 00:52:14
Is there anybody else present? 00:52:19
They would like to come forward, speak in opposition. 00:52:21
Hi, everybody. 00:52:37
My name is Kim Kennedy. 00:52:38
And I live at W 8500 Breezy Point Rd. 00:52:40
Which is like that little door where you see right next to where they're going to build this. 00:52:44
I worked as a nurse for 20 years. 00:52:52
As a single parent. 00:52:55
Bought myself this property. 00:52:57
And. 00:53:00
I have problems on both sides. No, I don't want to talk about the electrical lines because that's going to be an easement they 00:53:02
want for the other side of my property. 00:53:06
But this side. 00:53:11
I mean. 00:53:13
Like everybody has been saying, the roads are horrible, the dust is horrible as a nurse. 00:53:14
I know what that does to your health. 00:53:20
As far as the water. 00:53:24
I don't know what's going to happen with the well. 00:53:26
There's so many. 00:53:29
Just so many things that it's just so frustrating them, so stressed out. 00:53:32
And I could cry, but. 00:53:36
I'm not going to. 00:53:39
So please do not let this go through. 00:53:41
Thank you. 00:53:45
All right. Thank you. Kim. Is there anybody else like to come forward and speak? 00:53:47
In opposition to this request. 00:53:50
Hi, I'm Mike Zimmerman. 00:53:59
I really ain't opposed of it. I'm opposed of. 00:54:01
We're going to do with all this water that that comes out of this. 00:54:04
On Eve, like Bob and Laurie and all the rest were talking. 00:54:08
There's a lot of nobody even realized how much water comes over there because I own the field. I bought Bob's farm. 00:54:13
How much water sits on that field? 00:54:18
Where it can't get away. 00:54:20
We'd have to go underground. 00:54:24
Put some culverts in. 00:54:26
To get rid of all that water. Otherwise it's all going to stay here at the surface. I already lose like 1213 acres every year 00:54:28
because of the water problem. Especially when you get 7-8 inches of rain. 00:54:32
So. 00:54:37
Would really like to get that fixed. 00:54:39
One way or the other, that would be my. That's my own problem I got. 00:54:41
And I own the buildings there. That's another thing I would like to. 00:54:45
Maybe have them X-rated or something. 00:54:49
Make sure that they don't. We don't gain anymore cracks in the house. 00:54:52
I talked to Mike about it already. He kind of knows. 00:54:56
But that's my. That's my only other thing I got wrong. 00:54:59
So, OK, thanks. Thank you. 00:55:03
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? Anybody else that come forward speaking? 00:55:05
Opposition. 00:55:12
I would say. 00:55:22
I'm not voiced in opposition or. 00:55:23
For against, my name's Dave Mellon with Michaels, a lot of discussion about the existing operations. I'll address those shortly, 00:55:25
but. 00:55:29
We have, like I said, I don't oppose, we don't favor this. We understand that's coming. I just want to point out some of the 00:55:33
things that we've done and a lot of our locations is some. 00:55:38
Pre testing, pre blast surveys to get some that baseline information that's. 00:55:43
Needed. 00:55:48
To be able to address the concerns that people have so you know. 00:55:48
One of the things that we commonly do is do pre plow surveys and water testing to help give you that baseline to be able to 00:55:53
address concerns when they come now. 00:55:57
Just on the operation side, I'll talk about and again I think traffic is important. You know, this data center has changed a lot 00:56:01
of things here and we actually have encouraged. 00:56:06
The law enforcement to be out there, truck drivers do need to be managed if they and so once they leave our property, absolutely 00:56:11
they should be. 00:56:16
Held accountable for poor driving. 00:56:20
The the the construction as a whole, there is dust. We do maintain many permits. We've addressed a lot of the concerns. We've 00:56:23
talked to the DNR many, many times about this. 00:56:27
You know, in the last six months, making sure we're addressing our. 00:56:32
Making sure we're compliant and we're doing the best we can within compliant and. 00:56:36
Addressing the concerns that are there, but they are there because it's a big construction project and. 00:56:41
We understand it's not ideal if you live in that area, but like I said, it's a local resource it. 00:56:47
Being close is important, so again, not opposed, not in favor I think. 00:56:53
Baseline information is critical because then when you can have concerns, you can address them because you have a baseline to go 00:56:59
on. And again, this data center has changed. 00:57:03
This area significantly and you know. 00:57:08
Everybody gets thrown in on the in that one, so. 00:57:11
Thank you. 00:57:14
Anybody else that would like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? Anybody would like to come forward and speak 00:57:17
in opposition to this request? 00:57:21
Is there anybody else that would like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 00:57:25
I just want to make. 00:57:34
Point. Could you state your name? 00:57:35
Or Ashley Newman. 00:57:37
Actually as a. 00:57:38
Younger generation, I just want to. 00:57:41
See how important it is to. 00:57:44
Protect that land. We mentioned farming, we mentioned all the. 00:57:46
Harmful things that can happen to it, but. 00:57:49
Think of. 00:57:51
Future generations, there's only. 00:57:52
There's only so much land. 00:57:55
And. 00:57:56
You know, in five years, when I'm ready to have kids, I want my. 00:57:57
It's to be able to go to their grandparents and. 00:58:00
Be able to play outside and. 00:58:03
Half the time. OK, Thank you. 00:58:05
Anybody else like come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 00:58:09
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? 00:58:13
Is there anybody else present that would like to come forward speak? 00:58:17
In opposition. 00:58:20
Is there any written correspondence that has come forward? 00:58:24
I've got. 00:58:38
From Dan Byrd. 00:58:40
Dan Byrd I am very concerned about the. 00:58:45
Proposed quarry adversely affecting my farmland in section 10. 00:58:47
Any water discharge or pumping South? 00:58:52
Into the Fish and Wildlife owned land eventually will end up on mine. 00:58:54
When the Michaels quarry to the West blasts at certain layers. 00:59:00
Or depths in their pit. It can cause water to come up. 00:59:05
And or sinkholes of various size to form on my farm. 00:59:10
Assuming the proposed quarry will only. 00:59:15
Make the problem worse. 00:59:18
It is. Is Cartesian errs going to be responsible? 00:59:20
Town of Trenton has lost too much farmland. 00:59:24
This past year and has enough. 00:59:27
Existing quarry capacity for many years. 00:59:30
This project should be. 00:59:33
Should not be approved. 00:59:35
Danburn. 00:59:36
That's it. 00:59:40
All right. Does the committee have any questions? 00:59:42
Yes, I would like to. Are you? 00:59:45
Trying to purchase this land or do you are you just trying to use the mineral rights? 00:59:49
For renting. 00:59:54
We're gonna buy this. 00:59:56
You're just gonna mind? No, they're gonna buy it. You're buying? Yeah. We're. We're buying this. Yeah. 00:59:57
And the land that you said you're not going to be using? 01:00:03
Is it going to be rented out to be farmed? 01:00:07
Yes. 01:00:11
OK. And have you? 01:00:12
Thought about or are you planning on doing any of the? 01:00:16
Testing of. 01:00:22
People's wells or. 01:00:23
Like they have suggested. 01:00:26
The pre blast surveys. 01:00:29
The pre blast. 01:00:33
Surveys of nearby properties is. 01:00:35
As Dave had recommended, is something that they would do. 01:00:38
OK. And then I would just like to make a comment. I can understand all of you. I live at N 8488 Pine Rd. 01:00:41
I'm very near the data center. 01:00:49
I walk. 01:00:52
Pine Rd. 01:00:55
Up to Spruce Rd. 01:00:56
Down to W. 01:00:58
Hemlock. 01:01:00
I see a lot of dump trucks. 01:01:02
But I have to say they are very courteous when I am walking. 01:01:04
There is a lot of dust. 01:01:08
Especially when I go past two gravel pits. 01:01:10
Every day when I walk in the summer. 01:01:15
So I know there is a lot of dust. 01:01:17
Um. 01:01:20
So I understand your concerns. 01:01:23
But. 01:01:28
In my. 01:01:30
Findings. 01:01:32
And there are some trucks that do go. 01:01:34
Very fast and I can tell you the names of them, but I'm not going to. 01:01:38
But the the truck drivers on a whole are very courteous if I meet 2. 01:01:44
One going one way. 01:01:49
One always pulls over and stops. 01:01:51
So I can the other one can go through while I'm walking so I'm not getting. 01:01:54
And if you'd like to come out and walk? 01:02:00
When I'm walking you can see that they do do that. 01:02:02
Thank you. 01:02:06
That's all I have for question. Any other questions from committee members? 01:02:07
Right now. 01:02:15
Now as I listened, there was. 01:02:18
Talk about disregard of laws. 01:02:20
The law enforcement has to just get on that. We can't do anything about that. 01:02:24
What we have to deal with here is what has been called substantial evidence. 01:02:29
And, umm. 01:02:34
The the wall that we are against is state law. 01:02:36
Allows this. 01:02:40
State law says yes, this is something. 01:02:42
And if you want to stop it, you have to have substantial evidence. 01:02:45
In other words. 01:02:49
Proof. 01:02:50
Not just feelings, but proof. And we've run into this before where? 01:02:51
We maybe know something isn't right, but. 01:02:55
We have to have proof. 01:02:58
That this. 01:03:01
And why it isn't right. And that is very difficult. Back in 2017, I believe the state legislature changed the law. 01:03:02
To make it harder for us folks to fight businesses. 01:03:10
That's basically what they've told me. 01:03:14
Farmland preservation plan. 01:03:19
Also allows this on. 01:03:21
A1 land allows this. 01:03:24
Type of. 01:03:26
Conditional use, and we're up against that wall. 01:03:27
If we're going to say no to that. 01:03:31
We have to have substantial evidence, legal proof. 01:03:33
Studies. 01:03:37
That show that what is happening. 01:03:38
Isn't good and is wrong. 01:03:41
And on top of it all, it says that if. 01:03:43
All these conditions are placed on. 01:03:46
The business. 01:03:49
If the business agrees to comply with all the conditions placed upon. 01:03:51
Testing water. Water runoff. 01:03:56
Culverts. The whole 9 yards roads. 01:03:58
We have no authority. Stop it. 01:04:01
Now, I'm not saying I agree with that. 01:04:03
But I'm saying that's what we're up against. 01:04:05
And. 01:04:07
I would love to see everybody here call their state legislators and do something about this because that's where the problem is 01:04:09
starting. 01:04:12
They talked about what else are we here tonight? 01:04:18
Testing. Water Testing. 01:04:21
We've heard that. 01:04:23
And anybody here can chime in if you have any comments on what I'm talking about? 01:04:25
But I've I've looked at the application. 01:04:29
And we've heard tonight that. 01:04:33
Most of the land is going to stay in egg the way it is now. There's not going to be any water runoff any differently than it is 01:04:34
running now. And. 01:04:38
The water from the quarry is going to run into the pond. 01:04:43
And when that's getting a little full, that's going to be. 01:04:46
Tested. All the sediments are going to settle out. That's going to be tested. 01:04:49
And pumped wherever the DNR wants it pumped. 01:04:53
That's what we're fighting here is. 01:04:56
DNR and state law DNR. 01:04:59
And county has. 01:05:02
Conditional uses for things too. 01:05:05
And see everything that came forward tonight. 01:05:08
Is very legitimate in my eyes. 01:05:10
Yet it's not what the state considers substantial evidence, and that's where. 01:05:14
It falls through cracks. 01:05:20
I wish it was different. Believe me, I wish it was different. 01:05:21
What else was talked about here? 01:05:25
Egg landed, egg land will drain naturally. 01:05:30
They're not going to be changes there. 01:05:33
Water diverted dust control. They have agreed that they will sweep. 01:05:35
They will. 01:05:41
Clean roads, they will water the roads. There will be no dust. 01:05:42
Enforcement. 01:05:47
Maybe that's something that has to be talked about with the department here. 01:05:49
To have someone go and see if it's all being complied with. 01:05:53
But they have agreed to do these things and when they agree to do these things. 01:05:57
The state law says. 01:06:03
You have no. 01:06:06
Basis. 01:06:08
And that's what we are up against here at the committee Level 2. 01:06:10
One question, Sir. 01:06:14
No, no, not anymore, Sir. 01:06:17
Let's see. 01:06:20
That are that those are the notes that I had from what I heard in public comment is any of the committee members have anything 01:06:21
else they'd like to. 01:06:25
Add to this. 01:06:29
Conversate for me. 01:06:31
Now. 01:06:33
Is there anything else you'd like to add before we? 01:06:36
Close the hearing. 01:06:39
I think we're good. 01:06:43
We're good. 01:06:45
At this point, we will close the public hearing. 01:06:47
And. 01:06:52
We now will move on to conclusions of law. 01:06:54
Based on the facts presented in the application and at the public hearing, the committee concludes that. 01:06:58
236-F2 Is the project compatible with adjacent uses in terms of scale, site design and operating characteristics? 01:07:04
And here's where I went and I looked. 01:07:14
At the adjacent. 01:07:17
Uses the communities. 01:07:18
And be quite honest with you, I thought, hey, why is there a big? 01:07:20
Quarry going in on A1 land. I'm not. 01:07:24
All for that, but then I get to the picture on Google. 01:07:27
And I see two other quarries here. And I see a Dodge County. 01:07:31
Shop there and across from the road from the Dodge County shop, there's this big something that's not egg land and they say. 01:07:35
I have no argument to say that this does not. 01:07:42
Well, how do you say that again on that rule of law? Say that again. 01:07:45
Is project compatible with adjacent uses in terms of scale, site design and operating characteristics? 01:07:49
It's compatible, it agrees with what's around and I. 01:07:55
I would say it's yes. I don't know what you all think. 01:07:59
Yep, because that's there already. We can't fight that. 01:08:02
236 F 3. Will the proposed use be significantly detrimental to the public health, safety and welfare? 01:08:08
Because of the conditions they're willing to meet and they. 01:08:18
An extent they're going to go to protect. 01:08:22
Certain things. 01:08:24
I have to say what? 01:08:26
No, no, no. 01:08:28
Would say no. 01:08:29
236-F4. 01:08:32
Will the project cause of substantial decrease in the value of other property in the neighborhood in which it is to be located? 01:08:34
Because of the other quarries there already. 01:08:44
It probably won't. There is no study. See, we would have needed studies to show that that would happen and that's really tough to 01:08:48
do. 01:08:51
So, uh. 01:08:55
We have to were forced to say no for that. 01:08:56
236-F5. 01:09:01
Our public safety, transportation and utility facilities and services available to serve the subject property while maintaining 01:09:04
sufficient levels of service. 01:09:09
For existing development. 01:09:14
There we would have to say yes. 01:09:17
236-F6. 01:09:21
Are there adequate assurances of continuing maintenance for the project that there is? 01:09:23
236-F7 Will there be any significant adverse impacts on the natural environment that require mitigation? 01:09:31
And that word, significant, is a Corker. 01:09:41
And that's where proof has to come in again. And there was absolutely. 01:09:44
No substantial evidence as proof presented. 01:09:48
To say that is. 01:09:52
Something so that would be. 01:09:53
No, no. 01:09:55
236 F 8 is the project located in any hazard areas, floodplains, floodways, steep slopes, etc. 01:09:57
It is not. 01:10:06
236-F1 Does the proposed project comply with all applicable? 01:10:08
Provisions of this cloak. 01:10:14
Code, and we've seen that it does. 01:10:15
Are any conditions for approval needed in this case to mitigate any put to? 01:10:21
Potential adverse impacts on the adjacent properties, the environment or the community. 01:10:26
Yes, we had. 01:10:32
How many was it? 1919 conditions read in. 01:10:34
Did you want to discuss some of these conditions? 01:10:38
Can I can I add yes please so. 01:10:42
So those 19 conditions are. 01:10:44
Random, not. I don't want to say random, but they are conditions that have been. 01:10:47
Utilized in the past, they are not. 01:10:52
Specifically. 01:10:54
Utilized to address just. 01:10:56
This. 01:10:58
Project. 01:10:59
So. 01:11:00
As staff, we would ask that you. 01:11:01
Go down the list. 01:11:03
You accept. 01:11:05
Not. 01:11:07
If you need to. 01:11:09
Curtail some of the details to address the specifics. 01:11:10
Of just this site. 01:11:15
We would. 01:11:16
No, so we'd have a better. 01:11:17
Personal. 01:11:19
Set of conditions. 01:11:22
Specifically to this. 01:11:23
Proposal. 01:11:26
Right off the bat. 01:11:29
The set back one? What's that? The set back one? Minimum set back? 01:11:35
Yes. 01:11:42
Mr. Land Use Administrator, what is about that set back issue? 01:11:44
That question. 01:11:48
So. 01:11:49
So if there's code provisions to that, set back issue. 01:11:50
I don't. 01:11:55
Believe there are. 01:11:56
In our. 01:11:58
In our code specifically because the active mining is a conditional use permit, so those conditions can be addressed. 01:12:02
Site specific, similar to what when he says he's willing to go farther from. 01:12:09
A home. 01:12:14
We do not have you know a site must have this set of criteria to it. 01:12:17
So. 01:12:22
So the 100 feet then? 01:12:24
Is just a standard set back from property line. 01:12:26
That's one that had been used in the past. 01:12:29
For other facilities, OK. 01:12:32
So there's no reason. 01:12:36
Legally that it has to be from a berm 100 feet it's just from the property line makes more sense. 01:12:38
Correct. 01:12:43
And that's why. 01:12:44
If you go through each one and you say I want that one, that one, and you just discuss it amongst yourselves. And then if you get 01:12:45
to 1 where you think you. 01:12:48
Nail that down or expand upon it, then you can just. 01:12:54
Scribble in what you want. 01:12:57
Changed right and market is at. 01:12:59
Mark a check mark on it and we will include that then in. 01:13:02
As a condition. 01:13:05
As you state. 01:13:07
On your approval. 01:13:10
So what was #1 about? 01:13:12
You have that. 01:13:15
One was the hours. 01:13:17
If they, well, if you just go through, yeah, there was #1. 01:13:19
If you have that there. 01:13:22
The business operation shall be conducted in a matter. 01:13:23
That does not create a risk of fire explosion. 01:13:27
Or other accident and shall not be detrimental to the public health, safety or general welfare. 01:13:31
Of the surrounding neighborhood or community. 01:13:38
And I wrote that I thought that was. 01:13:42
Reasonable. 01:13:44
#2. 01:13:46
Any substantial or material deviation from the operations plan on file. 01:13:47
With the department may require. 01:13:53
Review and approval of a new or amended conditional use permit. 01:13:55
That seems logical. 01:14:01
#3 all erosion control and stormwater management measure. 01:14:02
Required. 01:14:07
By applicable federal, state, county and local regulations shall be installed prior to land disturbing activities and shall be 01:14:08
maintained. 01:14:13
Throughout the duration of the mining operation in accordance with. 01:14:19
Accepted best management practices. 01:14:24
And that's something that was presented in their plan and it. 01:14:27
Should be in place before that makes sense. 01:14:30
#4 the applicant shall. 01:14:32
Implement and maintain appropriate dust control measures throughout the mining operation to minimize dust generated from the site. 01:14:35
And they said they would, and this would. 01:14:45
Put some teeth in that to make sure it happens. 01:14:48
#5 A minimum set back of 100 feet shall be maintained from all berms. 01:14:50
To any surrounding property lane. 01:14:56
That's where I believe we should change. 01:14:58
We could. 01:15:01
As has been suggested here. 01:15:03
By the applicant, they will stay further away around. 01:15:05
Residential areas. 01:15:09
But they can come closer to the berm as you have said that. Be OK with you. 01:15:11
Yeah, I guess what my recommendation is that, you know, I'm, I'm fine if we'd stay 100 feet away from the residential property 01:15:15
lines. 01:15:19
But then like on the the road line, I'd like to. 01:15:24
Put the berm. 01:15:27
Starting at the. 01:15:27
You know the right away. 01:15:29
You know, the same as like the just the Jason field lines. 01:15:30
OK, because you're you're mining then would be in 50 feet? 01:15:33
Which is pretty standard. 01:15:37
What would be the best way to state this? 01:15:39
Do you think? 01:15:42
Or or if you specified it and said that there'd be. 01:15:47
100 foot. 01:15:51
Offset from the house from the residential property lines and no or no offset on the. 01:15:53
You know, so the berms are always going to be. 01:15:58
Close to the boundary line, you're saying? Yeah, I guess what the? 01:16:01
My goal would be is that you we would put the berms. 01:16:05
Tight to the. 01:16:08
Property lines where the houses are not and where the like along the house. 01:16:10
Housing. 01:16:14
Areas then we'd stay in will maintain a distance away from the berm. Otherwise you will go closer to the berm. You're saying 01:16:15
right. Otherwise we would start the berm at the property line. What would be a distance from the berm around the houses that you 01:16:19
would be willing to? 01:16:23
For an idea. 01:16:29
I mean, we could go, I guess. 01:16:30
We could go in 100 feet. 01:16:32
Like around the house, but you know, just bear in mind and then that's going to become, you know, it's not going to be in 01:16:34
agriculture when that. 01:16:37
Happens. 01:16:41
You know, so if we want to keep more land in agriculture. 01:16:42
You know, that's part of the. 01:16:45
The compromise of. 01:16:47
Putting that condition in. 01:16:48
Or if we just put us. 01:16:49
Something. 01:16:51
In verbage wise like around the the residential houses that you know the mining would stay in 100 or you know no mining within 100 01:16:54
feet. 01:16:57
You know our. 01:17:02
So is there a? 01:17:04
Is that 100 foot mark? 01:17:06
Something that is in law in the code as something that has to. 01:17:08
Nothing whatsoever. OK, so. 01:17:13
My Janet, if I if I may, yes, please do. 01:17:15
Having some. 01:17:20
Some level. 01:17:21
Between the road right of way. 01:17:22
Property line. 01:17:24
Having some. 01:17:25
Form or level? 01:17:27
Area that goes around in case there's a requirement for emergency vehicles to at least. 01:17:29
Get around that facility. 01:17:35
Because we don't know. 01:17:37
The way this split is and where some of the activities may be taking place as long as there is still access where emergency 01:17:39
vehicle has to get. 01:17:43
In there if. 01:17:47
If it's ditch and goes straight to a berm. 01:17:49
Now we don't. 01:17:52
You know, we had nobody set any requirements for slope on berms. 01:17:54
But if those slopes are. 01:17:58
To a point where it's hard to get, say, an emergency vehicle at least. 01:18:00
Into those areas. 01:18:04
This something to possibly think about. 01:18:07
So the berm is going to be set. 01:18:12
The right away is at what, 33 feet? 01:18:15
From roads 33 feet from centerline. Typically this this is a little there are some. 01:18:18
Minor oddities to that, there's some variation to that, but. 01:18:24
So then you're saying your burn would start at like 35 feet? That's what you're saying? 01:18:28
Yeah, the toll of the burn would start and. 01:18:33
You know, So what if we take? 01:18:35
Cross off the. 01:18:37
Word minimum and put a set back of 35 to 100 feet. 01:18:38
I mean, if you look at how? 01:18:48
The the neighbors are mining their berms start. 01:18:50
Basically at the edge of the road right away. 01:18:55
You know. 01:18:57
Or if you wanted a 10 foot. 01:18:58
Offset, you know. 01:19:00
So what was your suggestion? 01:19:04
Cross out the word minimum. 01:19:05
And just put a set back of 35 to 100 feet shall be maintained. 01:19:09
From all berms to any surrounding property lane. 01:19:13
35 feet from the berm. 01:19:18
Or would you be thinking closer to that at the roads? 01:19:21
I would like to go closer because. 01:19:25
So what would you suggest? 01:19:27
For that, I mean if you want enough, if a safety vehicle was an issue, I mean we could go 10 foot then start the toe of the room 01:19:29
10 foot in. 01:19:33
Pretty tight for a vehicle that's from that's from the. 01:19:39
From the edge of the road at Center Rd. 01:19:43
No, no, this is from the road right away. 01:19:45
We're we're in the this is from the berm. 01:19:48
To the working area, right? 01:19:50
The Town Rd. is a 10 foot lane. 01:19:53
OK. 01:19:56
Someone you could say 10 foot 2. 01:19:58
Instead of 25 to 10 is there? 01:20:04
You know, there has to be an element of trust here too. I mean, it's hard to get everything down just the way it is, so. 01:20:07
And what would you what would you be willing to do by the? 01:20:17
Residences. How much from the berm? 01:20:21
Can we do 50? Do you want 100? I mean I I'm. 01:20:26
100. 01:20:32
From the berm around the houses. 01:20:33
Get so complicated. 01:20:37
How about a minimum set back of 100 feet shall be maintained from? 01:20:45
Adjacent residents. 01:20:51
Properties. 01:20:54
And. 01:20:55
15 feet. 01:20:56
From. 01:20:57
Roadway Property Rd. 01:21:00
From the roads. 01:21:02
That will give. 01:21:06
Room for. 01:21:08
Emergency vehicles if they need to get through there. 01:21:09
Got that? 01:21:13
It's the only comment. I mean in the can we go to the 15 feet as well on the the farmed boundaries? 01:21:15
50 feet 15 on the on the similar to the roads. 01:21:21
So we could say. 01:21:26
Well, then we just leave it. 01:21:27
15 feet maintained from all berms. 01:21:29
To any surrounding property lines because. 01:21:32
If it's the road. 01:21:35
Or right but it's. 01:21:37
It's more at the residences. 01:21:40
No, he just said 15. 01:21:42
I just said I meant by the. 01:21:44
On the agricultural. 01:21:46
Boundaries. Umm. 01:21:49
You know, I'm fine staying in 100 feet around those. So it's 15 feet from. 01:21:50
All. 01:21:54
Boundaries and 100 feet. 01:21:55
By residences. 01:21:59
That's the set back that will be maintained. 01:22:02
Got it. 01:22:04
100 feet from. 01:22:05
OK, adjacent to residences? 01:22:07
And 15 feet elsewhere. 01:22:10
That makes sense. 01:22:13
Yeah. So that'll keep it distance from the houses. 01:22:15
And then bring it up everywhere else for. 01:22:21
More business activities. 01:22:26
OK, Committee. OK with that. 01:22:33
Yeah. 01:22:35
Number six. The applicant shall be responsible for reimbursing the town and county for any repairs or reconstruction required to 01:22:36
Public Hall. 01:22:41
Roads used in connection with the non metallic mining operation prior to issuance of the. 01:22:47
Conditional use permit. The applicant shall provide documentation demonstrating adequate assurances. 01:22:55
And agreements are in place to address the main. 01:23:01
Maintenance. 01:23:04
Of public hall roads. 01:23:06
How do we differentiate who's wrecking what rows, when, where, and how? 01:23:08
I think from our driveway down Breezy Point Road to A. 01:23:12
I think that is a very. 01:23:16
Fair statement to have an agreement with the Town of Trenton to maintain that. 01:23:18
Do you have that already or not? 01:23:22
With the downtrend, we discussed that and we said that we would be more than willing to maintain, you know, to cover that because. 01:23:24
That you know there's going to be more traffic on there than there is now. However, on County A, that'll be a, like you said, a 01:23:30
very hard thing to just. 01:23:34
Ding wish. 01:23:38
So you. 01:23:39
Are thinking only from a. 01:23:40
Until it reaches the Kennedy property. 01:23:43
Which is that? 01:23:48
If the. 01:23:51
County is fine with us utilizing the farm driveway that it's literally in like 200 feet off of a. 01:23:52
You can come soon. I think they're coming in right here. 01:23:59
Then our our truck traffic is going to go to the County Road. We're not going to access to Jersey. 01:24:02
And. 01:24:09
If that's a County Road, that wouldn't be a town issue. 01:24:11
Would it correct? 01:24:15
That'd be a county issue. Only a is a County Road. 01:24:17
Oh, but they're. 01:24:20
Coming in so it would just be depart from a. 01:24:21
To the driveway is what you're saying? 01:24:24
So we should say that. 01:24:26
The applicant has to enter a contract to with the town. 01:24:29
Trenton. 01:24:34
For maintenance of. 01:24:38
That section of road from A to. 01:24:39
The driveway. 01:24:42
Yeah, and I guess if you didn't want to. 01:24:45
Misspell it out that much of you said hey we'll just maintain the portion of Breezy Point Rd. that we use so that way if you're. 01:24:47
However you however it happens. 01:24:53
Right, do it that way, more general, generic. 01:24:56
The portion of Breezy Point Rd. that will be. 01:24:59
Accessed by. 01:25:01
The quarry. 01:25:03
That they will answer into a contract. 01:25:05
To for maintenance of. 01:25:07
Breezy Point Rd. 01:25:09
Used by. 01:25:11
Quarry traffic. 01:25:17
Do you want that? 01:25:22
Contract submitted prior to the issuance of the conditional use permit. 01:25:23
Would you be able to answer that before condition news permit was? 01:25:28
Given approved. 01:25:32
Yeah, as long as you is. 01:25:34
They said once the conditional use got approved, they would. 01:25:36
Do. But yeah, as long as everyone's on the same page, no problem. They'll be the minutes of the approval, but the actual permit 01:25:39
itself. 01:25:42
Well, it'll be, you know, condition number, whatever this is, must be. 01:25:45
That document has to be to us to sign that CMP off. 01:25:49
Yep. 01:25:53
OK #7 if fuel. 01:25:57
Oil or other hazardous materials are stored on site. All storage. 01:26:00
Handling and containment. 01:26:05
Procedures shall comply with applicable. 01:26:07
Federal, state and local regulations to prevent soil or groundwater contamination. 01:26:10
Sensible. 01:26:16
#8 Crushing asphalt, concrete and hauling activities shall be limited to the hours of 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM. Monday through Friday 01:26:18
and 6:00 AM to 2:00 PM. 01:26:24
On Saturdays when necessary. 01:26:30
So Saturdays aren't always necessary, you figure. 01:26:33
No, typically we operate five days a week, OK. And that's what we run. 01:26:37
I just asked to have the. 01:26:42
Provision like on a job specific request that we could. 01:26:44
Have. 01:26:48
To request additional hours for a certain. 01:26:49
To do that. 01:26:52
Or do you want to see you P? 01:26:53
You can you can put rules on there as you see fit to curtail to their proposal. 01:26:55
So. 01:27:00
What does the committee think about that? 01:27:01
What do the neighborhood quarries do? 01:27:08
Batch plant. 01:27:10
Or is that? 01:27:11
That's how we have some of our other conditional uses in. 01:27:12
Our different locations. 01:27:17
Is that typically? 01:27:19
We have a provision in there that like if we notify the town chairman on a project specific. 01:27:21
You know, hey, on Tuesday we need to start at 4:00 AM so that we can make mix by 5:30 because of some constraint. 01:27:26
Or if we had to run a night shift. 01:27:34
You know that they're notified. It's a limited basis of, you know, for a specific project of a couple days or whatever. 01:27:37
That, you know, they're notified, they let us run. It's not effort. Then you know, in the farmer next door is. 01:27:45
Pushing to try and get something done before the rain. We have the same things happen, you know we're. 01:27:50
Or, umm. 01:27:54
That's in the contract that we signed. Often you work on Saturdays. 01:27:55
About 10:10. 01:28:00
Corner of them. 01:28:03
Wait, he's talking. 01:28:05
Like if you get a certain job that night. 01:28:08
Early. 01:28:13
How late would you go? 01:28:18
How late would you go? 01:28:21
For the operations in the specific. 01:28:23
Jobs. 01:28:27
Well, like for instance, like it typically doesn't happen this far north, but like. 01:28:29
I think this last year 894, just take that for example, the dot had it in the bid specification, it was night. 01:28:36
So it was a night shift, all right. That's a whole different. 01:28:42
Right. Which could they come up and do that on 151 if we bid a job there? 01:28:45
They could, you know. 01:28:49
I'm just saying in that instance we just want to have the provision to request for that. 01:28:51
Let's have this. 01:28:56
Standard hours listed and then. 01:28:57
I like the idea about notifying the town chairman. 01:28:59
If. 01:29:03
Work is going to be done outside those hours. 01:29:03
Yeah, it's that simple. 01:29:06
And keep it at the local level. 01:29:08
So right with the committee, OK. 01:29:51
OK. 01:29:53
#9 Blasting activities shall be limited to the hours of 8:00 AM. 01:29:54
To 4:00 PM Monday through Friday and 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM on Saturdays when necessary. 01:29:59
The storage, handling, and use of explosives shall comply with all applicable federal, state, and local regulations. 01:30:05
Can you get your blasting done Monday through Friday? 01:30:16
Because I would like to see the weekends free of that for sure. 01:30:20
If that's. 01:30:24
Yeah, we could make that work, OK. 01:30:25
Not the Saturday. 01:30:27
Eliminate Saturday. 01:30:29
#10. 01:30:38
A land use permit shall be obtained for the scale house and any additional structures constructed or placed on the site. 01:30:38
That's per county code, isn't it? 01:30:47
Yes, we got a #11. 01:30:50
A driveway access permit along with an emergency response slash building number. 01:30:52
Shall be obtained. 01:30:58
#12 Berms shall fully encompass all areas. 01:31:01
Actively being mined additionally. 01:31:06
Sperm shall be vegetated and appropriate safety signage shall be installed. 01:31:09
OK #13 All applicable local, state, and federal permits and approval shall be obtained and maintained. 01:31:16
OK #14 The This approval shall expire one year after the decision is filed with the department unless construction has been 01:31:25
diligently pursued, a certificate of zoning compliance has been issued, the approved use has been established, or the conditional 01:31:32
use permit has been renewed for a period not to exceed one additional year. 01:31:40
And we talked about that so. 01:31:48
#15 The conditional use permit shall also expire upon termination of the project or if the rights granted by the permit are 01:31:50
discontinued for a period of 180 consecutive days. 01:31:58
OK #16 no topsoil is to leave the site. 01:32:06
You were saying that that is irregular. 01:32:13
That it's unnecessary. 01:32:17
Correct, you don't need it all at the end, so why keep it there? Is that what your point was right exactly? 01:32:20
So how would you know how much you're going to need? 01:32:30
So the basis of that is the fact that. 01:32:33
The quarry will be about 70 feet deep. 01:32:36
And it'll. 01:32:40
It'll fill with water and it'll be a lake. Yeah. 01:32:40
So the topsoil that is. 01:32:43
On that, I don't know the acreage of the lake, but it's about 100 acres. 01:32:46
You don't need topsoil for that 100 acres, so. 01:32:50
At least half of the topsoil can be taken off this property because it won't be used. 01:32:53
So we could do. 01:32:59
You know, in our reclamation plan we could do the mathematical calculation of how much topsoil we need to remain on site and we 01:33:00
could list that out so that it's clear. 01:33:04
All right, let's. 01:33:08
Terry no permit, yeah, so. 01:33:09
So in these cases. 01:33:12
This is going to be a pond or a lake. 01:33:14
So. 01:33:17
Everything that is not hit. 01:33:19
That is not below that water table level. 01:33:22
If they. 01:33:24
Walk off the site. 01:33:25
And they don't have it deep enough for it to be a pond. 01:33:28
That topsoil should be there. 01:33:32
To reclaim that site back to. 01:33:35
Agricultural use or? 01:33:38
Or something so that something grows on it. That's our concern. 01:33:40
It can't be upon until. 01:33:44
It hits that water table. 01:33:46
So. 01:33:48
That's. 01:33:50
That's when we just simply say, you know, you need to keep enough material on there for anything that is above that water table. 01:33:51
There should be. 01:33:59
There should be. 01:34:00
Material there. 01:34:02
In order to get something to grow back on it. 01:34:04
And most of the land is still going to remain in agriculture, so. 01:34:09
Yeah, I we just better. 01:34:12
Leave it all there right now. 01:34:14
And see how that falls. 01:34:16
Committee OK with that. 01:34:18
#17 Any inconsistencies with the reclamation plan shall be addressed and corrected. 01:34:21
Prior to approval. 01:34:28
OK #18 The applicant shall obtain and maintain a non metallic mining reclamation permit. 01:34:31
In accordance with the Dodge County Non Metallic Mining Reclamation Ordinance. 01:34:38
The permit shall require compliance with an approved. 01:34:43
Acclamation plan consistent with. 01:34:47
Section 4.3 of the ordinance and the provision of. 01:34:50
Financial Assurance. 01:34:54
In accordance with Section 5.0 of the ordinance prior. 01:34:56
To commencement of the quarry. 01:35:00
OK number 19. The reclamation plan for the finished pond shall include modifications. 01:35:04
To the shape of the pond to include. 01:35:11
Irregular, non rectangular. 01:35:13
Boundaries so that the pond is a more attractive feature when it is finished. 01:35:16
Make it look more natural. 01:35:22
That's OK. That's it. The committee think of anything else they're concerned with or is that cover everything that. 01:35:24
All right, that will be the change to the conditions. 01:35:34
Great. Does the committee believe that the conditional use permit request meets the approval criteria in sections 236-F of the 01:35:38
County Land Use Code and the provisions of Wisconsin State Statute 91.46? 01:35:47
Committee. 01:35:55
Yeah, yes. 01:35:56
Motion. I entertain a motion. 01:36:03
2nd. 01:36:07
OK, I'll make the motion. 01:36:09
Cool, I thought you were making motion. 01:36:11
Good morning, you said. I'll make the motion. That's what I heard would be done. 01:36:13
I don't have the paper to read. 01:36:22
That can I have your paper? 01:36:24
When you're. 01:36:27
Can I borrow your? 01:36:30
OK, can I have his? 01:36:33
Yeah. So to make it official. 01:36:35
All right, there's all that. 01:36:44
I will make a motion to approve the conditional use permit request based upon the previously mentioned findings. 01:36:48
And the conditions as. 01:36:54
Has changed. 01:36:56
And. 01:36:59
Any other comments, questions by committee? 01:37:05
Hearing none, I'll call the vote. All those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:37:09
Aye, opposed. 01:37:12
And we had one abstention deal. 01:37:16
Yeah. And the motion carries on the basis of the findings above, findings of fact. 01:37:19
Conditioned conclusions of law and the record in this matter. The committee granted preliminary approval of the conditional use 01:37:26
permits subject to the conditions listed above. 01:37:29
And the land use administrators directed to issue a conditional use permit incorporating the decisions of the committee. 01:37:34
Done. Thank you. 01:37:43
Don't. Don't we have to do the? 01:37:45
What? What the? 01:37:48
There was another one, the reclamation thing. 01:37:50
What's with the reclamation? So. So the reclamation is. 01:37:53
Somebody could request. 01:37:58
An informational meeting. 01:38:01
That's it. OK, it's not a. 01:38:02
When you're under a zone talent under a zoned Township in the county. 01:38:05
We can run them simultaneously. 01:38:10
But if somebody does not specifically request an informational hearing. 01:38:12
You don't have to and it was just there and it was not requested so. 01:38:17
So we don't have to do anyone. 01:38:26
No, there wasn't one. 01:38:27
There wasn't a reclamation hearing requested, so we don't have to do 1. 01:38:29
All right. 01:38:38
We move on. 01:38:45
If you found the other ones you said. 01:38:52
Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the Dodge County Land, Resources and Parks Committee on Monday, 01:38:53
January 12, 2026 at 7:15 PM or shortly thereafter on the first floor. 01:38:59
Meeting rooms 1 H and one I of the Administration Building, Juno, Wisconsin. 01:39:06
On the application of Dodge County for a public trail. 01:39:10
Phase two of the Dodge County Gold Star Memorial Trail within the A1 Agriculture. A2 General. 01:39:14
Agricultural R1 single family residential C2 extensive commercial I-1 Lake Commercial zoning districts. The proposed trails 01:39:21
located on properties in part of the sections 123 Town of Oak Grove. 01:39:27
In and along the north side of State Highway 33, right of way. 01:39:34
Copy of the proposed project is available for review in the County Land Resources and Parks Department between the hours of 8:00 01:39:38
AM and 4:30 PM. 01:39:41
Monday through Friday, 920-386-3700. 01:39:45
All persons interested are invited to attend and be heard. 01:39:49
Written comments may be sent to the Dodge County Land Resources and Parks Department at 127 E Oak St. Juneau, WI 53039. 01:39:52
Or by e-mail. 01:40:00
To T Oaks at Co dot Dodge, WI US no later than January 9, 2026. Dated December 19, 2025. 01:40:02
Dodge County Land Resources and Parks Committee by Dan Sigmund, Chair. 01:40:11
Staff report please. 01:40:19
OK applicants request an application for a county conditional use permit under the Dodge County. Land Use Code was made by the 01:40:21
applicant to allow for the expansion. 01:40:26
Of a public trail phase two of the Dodge. 01:40:32
County Gold Star Memorial Trail. 01:40:35
Within the A1 agricultural A2 general agricultural, R1 single family residential. 01:40:37
C2 extensive commercial. I-1 light industrial. 01:40:44
Districts. 01:40:48
The property is located in part of sections 1-2 and three, the Town of Oak Grove. 01:40:49
Phase two of the Gold Star Memorial Trail is the next major phase of this five phase public. 01:40:57
Private initiative to develop. 01:41:03
East West bicycle and pedestrian path. 01:41:06
Linking Mayville to Beaver Dam and key points in between. 01:41:09
This trail segment is roughly 2 point. 01:41:14
2 miles connecting City View Blvd. in the city of Horcon to the Wild Goose Trail. 01:41:17
While Goose State Trail. 01:41:24
Along State Road 33. 01:41:26
The path will be 10 feet wide asphalt with two foot grass or gravel shoulders. 01:41:29
And has been designed and maintained. 01:41:35
To maintain a 29 foot separation from the travel traveled portion. 01:41:38
Of the highway. 01:41:43
To accommodate non motorized use. 01:41:44
Uses such as biking. 01:41:47
Walking. 01:41:50
Snow, snowshoeing and snowshoeing in the winter. 01:41:51
A non motorized trail connection between the city of Horicon. 01:41:55
In the wild, Goose State Trail has been in county and city adoption plans since the early 1990s. 01:41:59
In 2019, a route study for phase two and three was conducted to identify the most feasible and cost effective routes for the trail 01:42:07
connecting from Horicon to Beaver Dam. 01:42:14
The Highway 33 route from Horicon to the Wild Goose Trail was. 01:42:21
Determined to be the best route. 01:42:27
The Highway 33 route was deemed to be the most cost effective and direct route. 01:42:30
Had had the least topography and waterway obstacles provided. 01:42:36
Provided the best access to commercial and residential designations. 01:42:41
And could be served by an existing trailhead. 01:42:46
At a highly visible location at Hwy. 33 and Hwy. 26. 01:42:51
A 1.1 million. 01:42:57
Dollar Federal Transportation Alternative Grant. 01:43:00
Was then obtained from the design and the construction portion of the project. 01:43:04
The design and engineering of the project has been ongoing for the last 18 months. 01:43:09
Which included archaeological, historical, environmental, traffic, environmental. 01:43:15
Traffic Geotechnical. 01:43:20
Real estate and other studies. 01:43:22
The design was identified. 01:43:24
The design has identified. 01:43:27
The need to acquire a total of. 01:43:29
.888 excuse me .899 acres of permanent easement over six properties. 01:43:32
And a 1.42 acre. 01:43:40
Temporary easements. 01:43:43
Over 13 properties to best accommodate the trail and maintain proper drainage. 01:43:45
And trail development standards. 01:43:50
Adjustments to part of the design are possible to minimize the easements needed, however, they will result in a greater 01:43:53
construction cost and increased safety concerns. 01:43:58
Additionally. 01:44:08
A $260,000 grant from the Department of Natural Resources was received for the construction of this portion. 01:44:09
Of construction portion of this project and local donations through the Friends of Dodge County Park Group were funding. 01:44:18
Our funding and. 01:44:27
The easement purchases needed for this project. 01:44:28
Other than safety and directional signage, no other development. 01:44:32
Developments are anticipated along the trail. 01:44:37
Reviews of the project and designs have been completed by Native American tribes. 01:44:40
Department of Natural Resources. 01:44:45
US Fish and Wildlife Services. 01:44:47
State Historic Preservation Office. 01:44:50
Department of AG Trade Consumer Protection. 01:44:52
Natural Resources Conservation Service. 01:44:55
Among others with no significant impacts identified. 01:44:58
However, uh. 01:45:01
The potential for the impact. 01:45:02
To a few threat. 01:45:04
To a few threatened and endangered species recommended. 01:45:06
And or required special construction techniques for time of. 01:45:10
For time restrictions. 01:45:14
Review Criteria subsection 2.3. 01:45:16
2.36 A through H of the land use code details procedural matters. 01:45:20
Approval criteria and the form for the conditional use permit application. 01:45:25
Two, according to Section 3, point 7.4 of the Code, the committee may authorize the land use administrator to issue a conditional 01:45:30
use permit. 01:45:35
For those conditional uses listed under Section 3, point 7.2 of the code. 01:45:40
After review. 01:45:45
And a public hearing, provided that such conditional uses are in accordance with Section 2 point. 01:45:47
3.6 of the code and Wisconsin State statutes. 01:45:52
9140.46. 01:45:56
Land use provisions 6.1 Point 3E. 01:45:59
Parks in open space. 01:46:03
We have characteristics parks and open space use categories include public and semi public uses of land focusing on natural areas. 01:46:05
Large areas consisting mostly of vegetation, landscape or outdoor recreation. 01:46:14
Community gardens or public squares? Private parks? 01:46:20
Private open space uses are not included in this classification. 01:46:23
Accessory uses Accessory uses may include clubhouses. 01:46:28
Playgrounds, maintenance facilities, concessions. 01:46:32
Caretakers quarters and parking. 01:46:36
Some examples include fairgrounds, golf courses. 01:46:38
Playgrounds. 01:46:43
Ball fields. Recreational areas. 01:46:44
Recreational trails. 01:46:46
Botanical Gardens. 01:46:48
Nature preserves and wildlife ponds. 01:46:50
Section 3.6 and Table 3.6, Dash 1 Use table list parks, trails and playgrounds as a conditional use in. 01:46:53
In zoning districts. 01:47:02
Purpose Statement Purpose of the A1 prime agricultural zoning district is to promote areas. 01:47:06
For uses of a generally exclusive agricultural. 01:47:11
Agricultural Nature. 01:47:14
In order to protect farmland. 01:47:15
Allow participation in the state's farmland preservation program and accommodate changing practices in the agricultural industry, 01:47:17
subject to the appropriate standards. 01:47:22
The purpose of the A2 General Agricultural Zoning District is to promote areas of agriculture. 01:47:28
Which are transitional, allowing for the expansion of urban areas. 01:47:33
Limited rural residential development. 01:47:37
And the conservation of. 01:47:39
Agricultural land. 01:47:42
To other related uses subject to appropriate standards. 01:47:43
The purpose of the R1 single family residential district is to promote generally exclusive low density. 01:47:48
Single family residence. 01:47:53
Residential Areas and Accommodate uses appropriate to service residential development, subject to appropriate standards. 01:47:55
The purpose of the C2 Extensive Commercial District is to promote commercial areas for larger retail. 01:48:03
Wholesale. 01:48:09
Service and Office uses. 01:48:10
And outdoor sales lots and other such uses which. 01:48:13
Primarily depend upon vehicular access and constitute single destination subject to the appropriate standards. 01:48:17
Purpose of the I-1 Light Industrial District is to promote an. 01:48:26
An area. 01:48:31
For uses of light industrial nature, including manufacturing, warehousing. 01:48:33
Wholesaling, storage and transportation such. 01:48:39
Generally do not produce offensive smoke. 01:48:42
Noise, Odor, health. 01:48:45
Health hazards or frequent traffic? 01:48:47
Congestion. 01:48:50
Subject to appropriate standards. 01:48:51
Physical features of the site The county has zoning jurisdiction over the site is the Town of Oak Grove has adopted the county's 01:48:55
land use code. 01:48:59
The site is located within the A1 Prime Agricultural zoning district. 01:49:03
The two general agricultural. 01:49:08
Our one single family residential. 01:49:11
C2 extensive commercial. 01:49:13
I-1 light industrial zoning districts. 01:49:16
The proposed projects are not located within any county Shoreland zoning. 01:49:19
Jurisdiction. 01:49:23
Proposed project is not located within the county's floodplain jurisdiction. 01:49:25
The base farm track contain. 01:49:29
Bees Farm Track contains 84.7 acres that are located in the A1 Prime Agricultural zoning district. 01:49:31
4.23 acres are available for non farm residential use under section 3.7, point 2D, one of the code. 01:49:38
Topography of the site is nearly level taka. 01:49:46
Topography with slopes ranging from zero. 01:49:49
Percent land use of the site is agricultural residential. 01:49:51
Open space. 01:49:56
Church and commercial. 01:49:57
Land use of the area is a cultural residential. 01:50:00
Commercial. 01:50:03
Educational. 01:50:04
And resident recreational. 01:50:05
Designated archaeological sites we have. 01:50:10
Staff notes that there is a registered cemetery located adjacent to the project. 01:50:14
As a requirement of the federal grant there of the federal grant construction work near the cemetery will require monitoring by a 01:50:19
qualified archaeological. 01:50:24
Archaeolog. 01:50:28
Assigned by Wisconsin Department of Transportation. 01:50:31
Recommendations. Town recommendation has recommended denial. 01:50:36
Excuse me, what do you? What do you say? 01:50:44
The town has recommended denial. 01:50:45
Which town is that? 01:50:48
That would be Townable Grove. 01:50:49
Let's see, the Township does not support this conditional use permit due to the lack of support from. 01:50:54
Affected land owners in the municipality. 01:51:00
The city of. 01:51:04
Horcon has recommended approval. 01:51:06
It says this one approved. 01:51:13
Sit down here, it's approved. 01:51:16
The recommendation so no so so that is a. 01:51:19
Standard for generic form. It's just a generic form bet. 01:51:23
The one from the town should have. 01:51:27
Then amended to state. 01:51:28
The city instead of town. 01:51:33
Apologies. 01:51:36
Staff Advisory The staff has reviewed the proposal for compliance with the criteria listed in Sections 2.3 point 6F and 3.7 point 01:51:39
2D of the Dodge County. 01:51:45
Land use code and chapter 91.46 of Wisconsin State statute. 01:51:52
Staff comments are listed in Exhibit A for committee review. 01:51:57
It is the Staffs position that the project. 01:52:02
As proposed. 01:52:05
Is in compliance with the applicable provisions of the Dodge County Land Use Code. 01:52:06
And. 01:52:10
Provisions of Chapter 91.46 of a Wisconsin State Statutes. 01:52:11
And staff believes the committee can make the necessary findings under. 01:52:16
Section 2.6 F and 3.7 point 2D of the code that are required to approve a conditional use permit for this project. 01:52:20
If approved, the following conditions Staff believes that the project will not have an adverse effect on adjacent land owners. 01:52:30
The committee or the environment? 01:52:37
And the proposal will be consistent with the. 01:52:39
Purpose and intent of the code. 01:52:41
At 5 conditions. 01:52:44
1A County land use permit shall be obtained for any structures located outside the designated road right of way. 01:52:47
Two construction site erosion control shall be implemented per 7.9 point. 01:52:54
To a of the Dodge County Land Use Code and is required by the grants. 01:53:00
Three construction companies. 01:53:06
Schedule restrictions and required coordination. 01:53:09
With federal and state agencies. 01:53:12
According to the grant requirements and easements granted shall be complied with. 01:53:14
4 The decision of the committee shall expire one year after the decision is filed with the department. 01:53:19
Unless construction has been diligently. 01:53:25
Pursued. 01:53:28
A certificate of zoning compliance has been issued. 01:53:29
The use is established. 01:53:32
Or a conditional use permit is renewed. 01:53:34
For a period not to exceed one year. 01:53:37
5 The conditional use permit shall also expire upon termination. 01:53:41
Of the project or if the rights granted by the permit are discontinued for 180 days. 01:53:47
Is the applicant here? 01:53:58
Yep. 01:54:00
First of all, I just want to thank everybody that's here that stayed so long tonight. 01:54:03
I do have a few things to go through here and hope you can put it out a little bit longer and I do ask. 01:54:08
The land owners that are here to stay afterwards, after the meeting, this is. 01:54:15
We only have basically one other item after this so. 01:54:19
I'd like to sit down and meet with with those with them. 01:54:22
So I'm asking to do that. 01:54:25
Before I get started into the specifics of the Phase 2 project. 01:54:27
I think it's really important to understand the genesis and background. 01:54:32
Of how we got to where we are. 01:54:36
Now. 01:54:38
And it because it really speaks to the grassroots community support and the desire to bring these important facilities to Dodge 01:54:39
County to improve the quality of life. 01:54:43
So indulge me in a minute going back 40 years ago. 01:54:49
The Chicago Northwestern Railroad abandoned their line. 01:54:54
From. 01:54:58
From Fond du Lac to Climate Junction, basically right down the center of Dodge County. 01:55:00
34 miles from from Fond du Lac. 01:55:05
To climb injunction. 01:55:08
20 miles in Dodge County and the 14 in Fond du Lac County. 01:55:10
When the railroad abandoned the state. 01:55:17
Offered. 01:55:20
Dodge and Fond du Lac County the opportunity to do a cooperative trail. 01:55:21
Where the state would purchase the corridor for the counties to operate to develop and operate a trail. 01:55:26
Fond du Lac County jumped on it, said yeah, we'll do it. 01:55:33
Dodge County Board turned it down. 01:55:36
That didn't set well. 01:55:39
With community. 01:55:41
That wanted to see this trail. I wanted to see a trail happen that energized a group of people, business leaders, organizations, 01:55:42
groups and they established Friends of the recreational Trail, which is now known as friends of Dodge County Parks. So they have a 01:55:48
40 year history of. 01:55:54
Helping to fundraise funds. 01:56:00
To improve recreational opportunities in Dodge County. 01:56:02
So they were successful in rallying support. They brought it back to the county board. 01:56:08
County Board reversed their decision. 01:56:13
And uh. 01:56:15
Obviously we now have the Wild Goose State Trail because of that. That group raised all the funds to develop the trail and that 01:56:16
was the condition of the county. 01:56:20
County Board approval. 01:56:25
So that's kind of the history that we have on. 01:56:27
Trail development in Dodge County. 01:56:30
So, so I wanted to to kind of bring that that forward. 01:56:33
But I will also say since the trail was developed. 01:56:37
About 1995 SO. 01:56:42
30 years ago the communities Beaver Dam, Horacon, What Pond and Dodge County General. 01:56:44
Had put it in their plans that. 01:56:51
There needs to be a connection. 01:56:53
From their communities to the Wild Goose Trail. 01:56:55
It's been in the plans for 30 years. 01:56:58
It's taken a long time to get to this point. 01:57:03
Find there was there was been discussions, but nothing really gained traction. 01:57:06
Finally, in 2013, a group of Mayville residents and business owners with an interest in developing a trail to the Horicon Marsh 01:57:11
from the City of Mayville. 01:57:16
Came forward to the county. 01:57:21
To see if we could. 01:57:22
Get involved and partner with that. 01:57:23
Shortly after that idea came forward. 01:57:27
A few Gold Star families. 01:57:30
Reached out to that group and really we're looking to. 01:57:31
Bring something positive to the communities. 01:57:36
In remembrance of the tragic loss that we've had. 01:57:39
Their sons as well as others. 01:57:42
In those communities, Beaver Dam, Horacon and Mayville. 01:57:45
We've lost six since 1991. 01:57:48
In the Middle East. 01:57:51
So that added an additional. 01:57:53
Importance to it, but we've. 01:57:55
I it's always been a desire and need to connect communities. 01:57:58
With this infrastructure. 01:58:03
So I don't have the phases on there but. 01:58:05
We were able to so then. 01:58:10
Then the Friends of Dodge County Parks got involved for the fundraising aspect and were able to raise funds for this. 01:58:13
It's a. 01:58:22
Large, complicated projects. 01:58:23
Been going on for 12 years specifically for this. 01:58:25
And we've divided into 5 different phases. 01:58:29
Right now one in four are complete, which are. 01:58:32
The Mayville Tahoe Con Marsh and then the city of Horicon. 01:58:35
Identified their Rd. routes through the city of Horicon. 01:58:39
Well, as I said, so phase one. 01:58:45
Friends group. 01:58:49
They raised 745,000. 01:58:50
Plus. 01:58:53
In grants and donations to get this phase one done. 01:58:54
Significant community support. 01:58:58
You know and and. 01:59:03
It all started with the $10,000 donation in 2013 from Beaver Dam Community Hospital Foundation. 01:59:04
Pizza sales events. 01:59:12
Band activities, things like that were the things that. 01:59:17
That helped raise some money for that. 01:59:21
Once Phase one was opened in 2019. 01:59:25
We immediately moved to to the the phase two and three between Horacon and the City of Beaver Dam. 01:59:28
We actually went through a route study. 01:59:35
To look at because we do have a lot of options unlike the Phase 1 Highway 28 was was obvious connection there. 01:59:37
We had a lot of options to look at. 01:59:44
From uh. 01:59:47
From Horicon to Beaver Dam. 01:59:48
And we did study those. 01:59:50
The As was mentioned in the staff report, Hwy. 33 was determined to be the the preferred route for a number of reasons. 01:59:54
And you know, it really is the shortest. 02:00:04
The least costly? 02:00:07
The least impactful to any other. 02:00:10
Properties and environmental issues. 02:00:13
Probably the next one would be the Highway E project, but there are several. 02:00:15
Significant waterways that it crosses and some wetland issues that we would. 02:00:21
Would expand the cost of that significantly. 02:00:26
Additionally this. 02:00:33
Trail. We have a trailhead at Hwy. 26 and 33 which would serve this. 02:00:35
Connection is goes through the City of Horicon Business New Business Park. 02:00:40
The MPTC campus is on there. 02:00:46
And additional businesses will be forthcoming. 02:00:49
It connects right into the city of City of Horicon at their West business district and some major housing. 02:00:52
Things that are happening so it really connects. 02:01:00
Our our residential areas and our population. 02:01:03
To facilities. 02:01:09
Along that that stretch. 02:01:11
For Phase 2. 02:01:18
We have. 02:01:20
Received significant amount of money like I mentioned there was mentioned the staff. 02:01:21
Report. 02:01:26
We. 02:01:27
Have received a $1.1 million grant of federal grant Transportation Alternatives Program Grant. 02:01:28
We've also seen received a quarter of a million state grant. 02:01:34
As well as several local foundation grants and donations. 02:01:38
That have come in. 02:01:42
To have this. 02:01:44
Project fully funded based on current estimates. 02:01:45
Construction is scheduled to take place this summer and in fact must begin this summer or we lose the $1 million federal grant. 02:01:49
So, but construction cannot. Construction planning cannot move forward until the real estate portion is completed. 02:01:57
There are some temporary easements that are required. 02:02:07
As mentioned in the staff report. 02:02:10
Some of those are temporary easements, mostly during construction for grading purposes and access. 02:02:13
And there are few permanent easements typically involving culverts. 02:02:20
To do the appropriate drainage and improve drainage in those areas. 02:02:24
There are 14 properties that are affected by this. 02:02:29
Six of the easements have to date, as far as I am aware, have come in or are in process of being processed. 02:02:33
And there are still 8. 02:02:41
Properties that need to be resolved as far as I'm aware of. I'm hoping they're all here tonight that we can talk through this and 02:02:43
see if we can come to some some resolution. 02:02:48
We have about a month to wrap this up or this project is dead. 02:02:54
This plain and simple, all the efforts and work that we've put into this project. 02:02:58
Really come down to. 02:03:04
The goodwill of land owners along this stretch. 02:03:06
And, umm. 02:03:10
And we are willing to do whatever we can to try to minimize any concerns that they have. 02:03:12
I would like to go back to phase one. 02:03:19
It's always whenever you have a new project, doesn't matter what it is, the you know mining is is pretty significant. 02:03:22
There's always. 02:03:31
The opposition to it. 02:03:33
And phase one was no different. 02:03:36
The land owners along there. 02:03:39
We still had, you know. 02:03:41
Majority was supportive, but we still had. 02:03:43
Had some that were opposed to it. 02:03:46
We followed up a survey after the trail was completed. 02:03:48
And asked. 02:03:51
What their feelings were now. 02:03:52
We had none that were very opposed. 02:03:55
Versus we had some that were very opposed. 02:03:57
Are some very supportive? 02:04:00
Increased. 02:04:02
From 57 to 71%. 02:04:03
And that has been typical with the Wild Goose Trail. Same thing we had. 02:04:07
Significant. 02:04:11
People coming forward and worried about all different things that never really happened, and they tend to be the biggest users of 02:04:14
this trail because it's right out their front door. 02:04:18
Those that that survey that we did. 02:04:26
Identifies some of the activities that those. 02:04:30
This is specific to those people that live along the trail and phase one. 02:04:35
I walking by walking and hiking. 02:04:40
Is obviously they all, all of them have said that they do that. 02:04:43
54. 02:04:48
4% were bikers and. 02:04:49
15% use the trail for jogging and running. 02:04:50
This is pretty significant in that. 02:04:55
Over 3/4 of the households report. 02:04:58
That they do more physical activity for their family because it's there. 02:05:01
And that then that's just kind of a typical. 02:05:05
Thing the feeling is that they won't use it now, or they're maybe opposed to it. 02:05:09
We ask that you give it a chance. 02:05:17
And understand that. 02:05:19
All our past history that we've had. 02:05:22
There, there has been significant support. 02:05:26
And use of the trail from. 02:05:28
From the. 02:05:30
Adjacent property owners. 02:05:31
So I. 02:05:35
I think that's. 02:05:40
All our groups say about say it right now, but I can respond to any. 02:05:42
Questions or concerns? 02:05:46
Well, that's. 02:05:52
Continue with the public hearing here. 02:05:54
Is there anyone in attendance that would like to speak in favor of? 02:05:57
This request. 02:06:00
Come forward to the microphone. Please state your name and. 02:06:03
Hello. 02:06:13
Good evening. 02:06:14
Eugene Brothen, 157 S Wind Trail, Horicon. 02:06:16
As Bill stated. 02:06:23
I didn't realize it was that long ago, but. 02:06:25
I was what, 30 years old and just riding my bike around town and. 02:06:28
Jenny C home flagged me down and said hey, we need support. 02:06:34
And I got involved and I'm still involved. 02:06:40
And still writing. 02:06:43
So I'm an avid biker. 02:06:46
Bike all kinds of roads. 02:06:49
Trails. 02:06:52
Trails are. 02:06:53
Extremely nice to be on. 02:06:55
And I do know a lot of people. I have one couple in town. 02:06:58
They're not here tonight. 02:07:03
They have E bikes. 02:07:05
They will not ride in traffic. 02:07:07
Of any kind. 02:07:10
So I don't know how often they do it, but they will. 02:07:12
Load up or trailer their bikes. 02:07:16
And go out to. 02:07:18
E and get on the Wild Goose trail. 02:07:20
And go for a ride. 02:07:23
Now I know they said they would love. 02:07:25
Being able to just. 02:07:28
Right through town and get out onto the trail. 02:07:29
Back out 26 or wild goose trail and. 02:07:33
Continue on for a ride. 02:07:37
I do. 02:07:40
Now I got a picture I want to show you. 02:07:43
Some of your pictures, there probably were some pretty older riders in that, but this? 02:07:47
Is my grandkids. 02:07:53
Now I feel so much better when I have the grandkids and we're on a trail. 02:07:56
And this particular little train here that. 02:08:02
I have to be on a trail with them. 02:08:06
They're no longer writing that anymore. They have their own 24 inch bikes, but. 02:08:09
Yeah, trails are. 02:08:14
So nice. 02:08:15
And beneficial for community. 02:08:17
And especially for like horrend. 02:08:20
We could be almost in the center of that hub. 02:08:23
To bring in outside. 02:08:26
Vacationers that want to visit the marsh. 02:08:28
Ride the trail. 02:08:32
And enjoy themselves. 02:08:34
But I knew do know that. 02:08:37
Traffic. 02:08:40
When I'm on a Rd. 02:08:41
Can be very dangerous. I'd have enough. 02:08:42
Close calls as it is. 02:08:45
So when I. 02:08:47
Am near a trail I will jump on and use. 02:08:48
Bill says he tracks. 02:08:52
People going on the. 02:08:54
Section A. 02:08:55
He knows how many pass through I probably one of them that. 02:08:57
Hit that marker I don't know how many times then. 02:09:01
And my way north. 02:09:04
But yeah, it'd be great to be able to get over to the. 02:09:05
Wild Goose Trail. 02:09:09
And then just use that to convert down to. 02:09:11
Another Township or County Road. 02:09:14
Let me check see if I didn't even read any of it. 02:09:19
But but I think I hit everything that I wanted to. 02:09:25
Mention about it. 02:09:28
But yeah, I think that would be it. 02:09:32
But thank you. 02:09:35
I do approve of it. 02:09:36
Thank you. 02:09:39
Anybody else come forward to speak in favor? 02:09:39
Good evening and thank you for this opportunity. My name is Glenn Daly. 02:09:54
I actually don't live anywhere near the trail. 02:09:59
I have met N 633 High View Rd. 02:10:02
In it's it says Exonia, where it's Dodge County town Lebanon. 02:10:06
I'm right across the street from Harness Sugar Park. 02:10:11
I have also the president of the Friends of Dodge County Parks. 02:10:14
I I was on the board when the Mayville Group came to us. 02:10:19
And asked us if. 02:10:24
They could be part of our organization. 02:10:26
They needed some way of. 02:10:30
Funding, carrying their funds and whatnot. 02:10:32
And we had that infrastructure all set up through the friends group already, so we made them an ad hoc committee. 02:10:34
Before we could even take off with that, the Gold Star families came forward. 02:10:41
And as Bill explained, everything took off from there. 02:10:46
The Friends at Dodge County Parks is 100% behind the Gold Star Memorial Trail and getting it all the way to Beaver Dam. 02:10:51
We. 02:11:00
They have run. 02:11:00
Different band concerts. 02:11:04
For phase one, it was a mudslide jam fest in Mayville. There was two or three of them that we ran. 02:11:07
In in 2024 we did a fundraiser. 02:11:16
At the Tower Lanes in Beaver Dam. 02:11:20
To raise funds for the Gold Star Memorial Trail. 02:11:23
And. 02:11:26
Done some other fundraisers besides that. 02:11:27
We are here to make sure that we have the funds to get all the way to Beaver Dam. 02:11:30
And we're 100% behind it. Thank you for your time. 02:11:36
There you go. 02:12:06
I'm Michael Balangi and I am also. 02:12:07
Board member of the Friends of Dodge County Park. 02:12:11
And as you see with my shirt. 02:12:14
I also wrap. 02:12:16
Present. 02:12:17
Post 146 I'm a Vietnam conflict. 02:12:18
Era Army Medic. 02:12:22
And I'm also. 02:12:25
Active with the Beaver Dam Community Here Foundation. 02:12:26
And those two functioned. I'm the only person that can. 02:12:30
Your shirt with both of these things emblazoned on their shirt and I'm very proud. 02:12:33
Of. 02:12:38
Andrews being member of the. 02:12:39
Families of the Gold Star trio. 02:12:42
I'm totally. 02:12:44
Involved with this? 02:12:46
For those particular. 02:12:48
Gold Star Cancer fees. 02:12:50
Are very dear to me. Three of them. My son's actually new at the high school. 02:12:53
So I think we need to honor. 02:12:57
This very important Gold Star memorial trio. 02:13:01
So I would like to tell you that I'm a. 02:13:05
Cycler and I have. 02:13:08
Electronic bike I put on 700 miles. 02:13:11
And I'm standing here. 02:13:14
And I'm not crippled because in driving in Beaver Dam. 02:13:17
Wherever you go, you have to find all the side streets. It's very dangerous. 02:13:20
So I'd be very happy to be on. 02:13:24
28 miles of asphalt. 02:13:26
And it would, certainly. 02:13:28
Also bring financial. 02:13:32
Strength to this community. Just think of 28. 02:13:34
Miles and people. 02:13:37
Coming all over the state. 02:13:39
And we will be, I think, the most ambitious. 02:13:43
Veterans. 02:13:47
Goldstown Memorial Trail. 02:13:48
That I've seen so far. 28 miles is a lot of. 02:13:51
Blacktop. So it very much endorses this and I think. 02:13:54
That is a tremendous. 02:13:59
Honor to have those people falling. 02:14:01
To have a. 02:14:04
Attribute that. 02:14:05
We continue their legacy. 02:14:07
Thank you. 02:14:09
Ought to get back taller again. 02:14:21
Josh Moss, 103 Clayson. 02:14:23
Mayor of Hurricane. 02:14:25
We do support this. 02:14:27
But it comes with caveats because I stick up for all these guys here too. 02:14:28
In the town of Oak Grove. 02:14:32
I know it build on Jason's done camera and everyone's done. 02:14:33
In order to pass, we got to make sure. 02:14:38
You're not putting ATV's. 02:14:40
They it has to have something written in there and no Schwartz is a vast that. 02:14:43
As soon as we get that. 02:14:46
Little square Martian crossing done. 02:14:49
Schwartz is for sure. Who won't That big white gap. 02:14:51
In between Martian crossing in the city of Horicon where the number 33 is. 02:14:54
What they do not want? 02:14:59
Are people taking ATV's and other things on this trail? 02:15:01
Through their front yard. I'm sure the disastrous feel that way. Eberly's everyone behind me. 02:15:05
As long as there's some. 02:15:11
Whatever. 02:15:13
Thank you guys right up here. 02:15:14
Where you're protecting. 02:15:16
Their front yards especially, like Eberle House where this trail is going to be from me to Jason, away from their front door. 02:15:17
So the city of Horkon. 02:15:24
Absolutely wants this. 02:15:26
But we are sticking up for our friends and neighbors in Oak Grove as well. 02:15:29
So please at least consider. 02:15:32
No motorized vehicles except E bikes. 02:15:34
On this. 02:15:37
Make sure they have. 02:15:38
That assurance from you guys? 02:15:40
And then it's enforced. 02:15:43
That's all I got. 02:15:45
Hi, I am Robert Scott. I am from Horicon, and I'm also the representative for Sacred Heart Church, which is one of the easements 02:15:51
on this trail. Actually, I believe we're maybe one of the first. 02:15:57
Properties leaving town or in the city limit which will. 02:16:03
Get the trail. 02:16:07
So this is a game changer, this leg. 02:16:08
Is what puts the whole puzzle together because. 02:16:12
Section 3. 02:16:16
The state of Wisconsin is Allstate of Wisconsin, so it won't be easement fights or any of that or concerns. 02:16:18
The roads are overcrowded the way it is. 02:16:26
They're dangerous when you drive a car on them. 02:16:28
This is a great thing for the citizens of Dodge County and Wisconsin and anybody else who arrives here to bicycle. 02:16:31
Because. 02:16:38
When you look at what? 02:16:40
This section will make happen. 02:16:41
You're talking that we are literally going to have the crossroads of Dodge County for bicycling. 02:16:44
Come right through. 02:16:50
The Minnesota Junction area, which is. 02:16:53
The Wild Goose Trail at Hwy. 33 and 26. 02:16:56
So this is an amazing thing for us and it's. 02:17:00
Kind of the linchpin that we need to really. 02:17:03
Bring it home for a great. 02:17:06
Great activity. 02:17:09
That Dodge County will literally grow from, you know, as far as people visiting and coming through. 02:17:10
Thank you. 02:17:17
Hi, I'm Andrew Johnson. I'm today. I'm also with the Friends of Dodge County Parks and I'm also a Gold Star father. 02:17:27
From Dodge County. 02:17:33
I want to fill in a couple blanks. I thought it'd be appropriate at this time. 02:17:34
So you guys know what what happened, Bill? Bill told most of the story and I see this here from when the trail started. 02:17:39
We had tremendous losses of soldiers from. 02:17:46
Dodge County in the recent wars. 02:17:49
To Mayville 3 Beaver Dam, one hurricane. 02:17:52
And throughout our state, we had. 02:17:55
Over 300. 02:17:57
And. 02:17:58
When I learned that there was actually, I knew Jeannie C home and they had tried to make this a corridor for over 20 years 02:18:00
actually before you guys got started. 02:18:05
I don't know if you're aware of that. 02:18:09
And then I became aware of the cardinal connection. 02:18:11
And by the year after my son was killed, I thought, hey. 02:18:14
They'll never, they'll never raise the money to build a tree on Touch County without some kind of help. 02:18:17
And so I talked with the Gold Star, one of the Gold Star families from Beaver Dam in particular. 02:18:22
We got together, met with many other gold stamp. 02:18:28
Gold Star families throughout the state. 02:18:32
And would we want to put our name behind an effort like this? 02:18:34
And and we thought it would be a good idea and make something good out of a bad situation and a trail that was not getting funded. 02:18:39
That we could put something to it. So more than just a recreational trail. 02:18:47
Although. 02:18:52
This trail does stand alone without the Gold Star. 02:18:53
Endorsement. 02:18:57
And dot study this at length in it and it does it stands totally on its own for all the merits I'm sure that you're aware of 02:18:59
mental. 02:19:03
Tourism. 02:19:06
Everything else like that. 02:19:08
And and to address the concerns of the other land owners that. 02:19:09
The cold start families don't want to harm anybody. We don't want to. 02:19:12
Hurt anybody's land. We want to accommodate them. 02:19:16
I mean, our goal is a very positive goal, adding our name to this. 02:19:19
So what? What happened and why this phase two? How did this phase two get here? Built old livid about it. 02:19:24
Originally we were going to probably go out Hwy. E. 02:19:30
But what happened is our families meet at different times and different places throughout the year. One of the places is at the 02:19:33
executive residence. 02:19:37
We had the help of Governor Walker for phase one. In phase two, it's been, Governor Evers been. 02:19:42
Accommodating all the Gold Star families. 02:19:47
To get the grants, it's it's hard to get grants, it's hard to raise money. 02:19:49
And that phase? 02:19:53
Actually these, these faces, we've had over 500 people give money and participate. Actually more than that when I just thought of 02:19:54
that. 02:19:57
Big, that big band event, we probably had eight or 900 people there. We're talking hundreds of people from Dodge County are 02:20:00
involved in this, not like. 02:20:03
5 people and 10 people. This is a community driven event. 02:20:07
And it was hard we that that first phase, we raised it 10 bucks a time, 20 bucks a time. It wasn't, it wasn't. 02:20:11
It was not all big donations, Yes we did get some big ones like from Saint Agnes $50,000. 02:20:17
And we got some others. 02:20:23
From the manufacturers Mac and others like that. 02:20:25
But the way phase two worked is the Gold Star families. Many of us were meeting in Madison with the governor. 02:20:28
And we asked them would he support phase two because we know that TAP grants are political in the fact that. 02:20:34
Everyone applies for tech grant, but how do you win a TAP grant? You need to have the favor of the executive of the state of 02:20:42
Wisconsin. That's how you get a TAP grant. And so we asked the governor said, Sir, would you support? 02:20:48
If we, if we. 02:20:53
Wanted to build this next phase. Would you? Would you and your administration support it? 02:20:55
And he said yes, yes we would. 02:20:59
And, and I said, OK, well, how do we make that happen? He says. Well. 02:21:01
Just tell me who you want to the meeting and we'll make it happen. So about 60 days later, right after we. 02:21:05
Opened. 02:21:11
Phase One. 02:21:12
We had Gold Star families met with the governor in Christmastime. 02:21:14
And. 02:21:17
I took Bill. 02:21:18
Nate Olson. 02:21:21
And I asked the governor to have the secretary of Transportation. 02:21:22
Craig Thompson. 02:21:26
The grant writer for the state of Wisconsin. His policy advisor. 02:21:27
And he said anyone you want will be supported this. And so when we met with at the governor's office, the way this really happened 02:21:31
is. 02:21:34
On his big table we had. We had all the. 02:21:37
Maps for Dodge County in this area and I walked in the room and the first thing they said we can give you guys a $3,000,000 grant 02:21:40
today. 02:21:44
So discouraged because we'd have 600,000 cash right then to take that says, I'm sorry, we, we cannot accept that. Thank you for 02:21:48
helping us. And he said, well, how about we build it in segments? So that's why the segments that came from, from that, that 02:21:53
concept. You have half a minute yet half a minute yet. 02:21:58
OK, anyway, I just wanted to let you know that that's how that that's how this this came about the background on this and so. 02:22:03
The dot folks are the ones that suggested. 02:22:10
Along Hwy. 3233 for safety and for many other reasons and then the railroad corridor because the state owns that. So that's that's 02:22:13
the background in this. Anyway, I just want to say say I'm talking in support of this. 02:22:18
There's many, many people supporting this throughout our community and we certainly hope that this can be finished. 02:22:24
Thank you. 02:22:30
Thank you. Anybody else come forward, speak in favor. 02:22:33
Hi, my name is John Kuhn. 02:22:41
And I'm a resident of Dodge County, but not necessarily in this area, but I do a lot of biking. 02:22:43
In Dodge County and. 02:22:49
Can't emphasize enough the safety aspect. 02:22:50
Health and safety aspect. 02:22:54
But what I really want to bring? 02:22:56
That nobody's really mentioned yet is we've? 02:22:58
There's been all this fundraising, all this planning and. 02:23:01
This is something. 02:23:04
That generations. 02:23:05
Of people after us. 02:23:08
Can take advantage of. 02:23:10
So it's not just. 02:23:12
For us right now, it's for. 02:23:14
Future growth of the community and for families to use for years and years and generations. I just want to. 02:23:17
Be sure that people realize that how important it is. 02:23:23
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in favor of? 02:23:31
This request, Anybody else like to come forward speak in favor of this request? 02:23:35
Good evening. 02:23:44
Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Andy Nelson. 02:23:45
And I'm a resident of Mayville. 02:23:48
And. 02:23:50
Helped. 02:23:52
Get the phase the first phase of this project. 02:23:54
Constructed and have. 02:23:57
Been cheering the groups along as they've. 02:23:59
Continued this effort. 02:24:01
This project. 02:24:03
Is. 02:24:05
As the gentleman before we mentioned, really a multi generational opportunity. 02:24:06
For our communities. 02:24:10
Comes around maybe every. 02:24:14
40 years is what it sounds like. 02:24:16
And. 02:24:18
It's something that's going to last a very long time. 02:24:19
I'm a frequent and avid user of phase one. 02:24:22
And I take. 02:24:26
A lot of enjoyment from seeing families. 02:24:29
Of all ages using the trail. 02:24:32
And particularly I enjoy seeing the conversations that are happening groups of friends. 02:24:36
Couples, moms and dads, etc that are using it. 02:24:40
So I think there's a. 02:24:44
A lot of. 02:24:46
Physical well-being as well as mental and social opportunities that come from these trails. 02:24:48
And, and really, it's a rare opportunity. 02:24:55
For all of us. 02:24:58
To. 02:25:00
Make a lasting effect. 02:25:01
In a good way. 02:25:02
For uh. 02:25:04
Posterity. 02:25:05
To address some of the concerns that may be out there, when we were working hard to make phase one happen, there was a lot of 02:25:08
angst. 02:25:13
About. 02:25:17
Motorized. 02:25:18
Equipment using it. Unsavory groups of people. 02:25:19
Mischief, etc. 02:25:25
And really, none of those things has materialized. 02:25:26
I've never seen a motorized. 02:25:30
Machine running on that trail it's. 02:25:34
Just people. 02:25:37
Pushing pedals and. 02:25:38
Laying down their feet, taking steps along the way. 02:25:40
So I'm a very strong supporter. 02:25:43
Of. 02:25:46
This new phase of the project. 02:25:47
I applaud the efforts of all the volunteers and the staff who have worked so long and so hard. 02:25:49
And creatively to bring all this. 02:25:55
Money to the table and to bring us to this opportunity. 02:25:57
I empathize. 02:26:03
With some of the land owners that live along this route and some of the concerns that they may have. 02:26:04
With this new development. 02:26:10
I'm a landowner and. 02:26:13
I've got. 02:26:15
Some easements that cross my property and I've had to work through those. 02:26:16
So I understand where they're coming from. 02:26:20
And I can assure. 02:26:24
You that you're working with very good and reputable people at the county who are going to. 02:26:26
Follow through on their commitments. 02:26:32
To honor whatever. 02:26:34
Requirements and requests. 02:26:36
That come up along the way. 02:26:39
So. 02:26:41
Ultimately like. 02:26:42
That old movie says. 02:26:44
If you build it. 02:26:46
They will come. 02:26:48
And it will be good for everyone. 02:26:49
Good for property values, good for economic opportunity. 02:26:52
And personally, I'm confident we've saved at least one life. 02:26:56
Along Hwy. 28 already by providing a trail. 02:27:00
To separate these users from traffic. 02:27:03
And I'm sure that this trail. 02:27:06
Is going to. 02:27:08
Provide a great opportunities. 02:27:09
That are safe. 02:27:12
For friends, family and the community at large. 02:27:13
Thank you very much. 02:27:16
Thank you. Anybody else? 02:27:20
Like to come forward speak in favor of this variance. 02:27:22
I'm about as tall as Andy. OK. Hi, my name is Emily Dearinger. I live in threat. 02:27:29
I answered a personal ad for. 02:27:38
Residents to get involved with this trail back in 2015. 02:27:41
Before I had kids and more time. 02:27:45
But I had some experience and expertise. I used to work in Winnebago County doing. 02:27:49
This kind of work. 02:27:55
For my for profession, for my professional work. So I was really excited to get involved with a trail project in the community 02:27:56
that I live in. 02:28:00
Like I said, I live in Thoresa. 02:28:05
But maybe Ellen Horror kind of Beaver Dam have really become my. 02:28:07
Adopted Communities. 02:28:10
I work all over the county, I build relationships, I make connections. 02:28:13
With folks to make. 02:28:17
Cool things happen. 02:28:19
That make Dodge County a better place to live. 02:28:21
I'm one of the families, but. 02:28:36
Wants to use this trail. 02:28:38
Sorry, get that emotional. 02:28:40
I'm not the Laker spandex people. I'm not the avid bicyclist. I'm not going out for 25 miles at a clip because. 02:28:44
I'm not that in shape anymore. 02:28:50
And my kids are five and eight and they don't, they don't ride their bikes that fast. 02:28:53
I really love this trail to go to the wrestle. 02:29:00
But I don't think that's in the cards in my lifetime. But you never know. 02:29:02
So I'm I'm in support of this trail. 02:29:10
I'm also really sympathetic of the land owners. My husband and I own a couple different processes as well. We don't have a cool 02:29:13
trail on ours. We have a windmill and we have some snowmobile trails. 02:29:18
So when the snowmobilers hit one of our. 02:29:25
Our our pipes for our. 02:29:28
A septic. We were on them real fast and then they were very apologetic about it and they made some recommendations to some trailer 02:29:31
runners and then apparently got fixed and we got a free fish fry. 02:29:36
But my point of that is. 02:29:42
That as land owners, you have every right to make any complaints you want at any point in time. 02:29:44
For anyone that's using this trail, because we know that you're doing us a favor. 02:29:49
By allowing these easements to go along your parcels on your property. 02:29:53
It's it's something that I'm. 02:30:00
Really hopeful that will happen. 02:30:01
It's something that. 02:30:07
I think that. 02:30:09
Really. Umm. 02:30:10
Is pretty unique. 02:30:10
In the state of Wisconsin, for as much as I know about all other, you know, kind of trails. 02:30:12
Like this, they're either old billion real beds. 02:30:17
Or the the state or the feds coming in? 02:30:21
And kind of putting this in where this. 02:30:25
This project is. 02:30:28
Really. 02:30:29
Out community growth. 02:30:30
And community supported. 02:30:33
That's all. 02:30:36
Thank you. Anybody else like to come forward and speak in favor of? 02:30:39
This variance request. Anybody else like to come forward and speak in favor of this request? 02:30:43
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in favor of this request? 02:30:47
There anybody like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 02:30:51
Is there anybody in the audience that would like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 02:30:54
My name is Ryan Nell, I am one of the land owners on the corner of East Road and 33 with FWR and L Farms. We are opposed to this 02:31:09
going through. 02:31:14
We are requested that a temporary and permanent easement is needed from us. 02:31:19
Actually, something that was kind of brought up that just hit me after listening, everyone was talking safety. 02:31:23
And I don't know how many people travel 33 with equipment, farming equipment, anything like that. It is not an enjoyable place to 02:31:28
drive. I have a sister that drives a semi that we hate pulling out of that field. Something that just crossed my mind is. 02:31:34
What's going to happen with the other traffic on this trail? 02:31:41
What if I'm bringing a semi in and out or piece of equipment? 02:31:44
They don't stop. 02:31:47
And I have to stop a piece equipment mill Rd. I get hit. 02:31:49
Maybe that hasn't happened anywhere else, but that's just something that just thought in my head here. 02:31:53
I don't know the answer to that one, but I don't want to see a young. 02:31:58
Child and a bike or anything get hit. 02:32:02
That was just something that popped in my head. 02:32:04
Other concerns that we've had, we just filed this field. I know there's going to be water issues going forward anytime there's a 02:32:07
project like this. 02:32:10
It happens. 02:32:13
This is something that a lot of people are going to probably laugh at, but we run on autonomous equipment. 02:32:16
Straight lines are everything to us. 02:32:20
This easement is going to put 2 culverts in the way for us that I have to go around as well as we have a driveway and a loading 02:32:23
pad. That is going to be an issue as well. And I also speak here for some of the homeowners where to have a trail right in front 02:32:28
of their house, they have to have people there. 02:32:33
They bought the property to be in the country, did not have anyone by them. 02:32:38
You know I do not live personally on this property. 02:32:41
But I. 02:32:44
I'm up there all the time. I am the one moving equipment in and out. 02:32:45
And. 02:32:48
We're just opposed to having it. 02:32:48
All right. Thank you. As anybody else would like to come forward and speak in opposition. 02:32:53
To this request. 02:32:56
Good evening. 02:33:06
My name is Sean Lepple. 02:33:07
I don't live on. 02:33:08
The property. 02:33:10
We just have a farm field just like the other gentleman. 02:33:11
Our big concerns? 02:33:15
We don't per SE have a driveway into our field. We have to share it with a. 02:33:17
Residents. 02:33:23
And then we have to turn. 02:33:24
Where this new trail will be? 02:33:26
Proposed. 02:33:28
So we're going to be taking our equipment. 02:33:29
Kitty corner across this trail. 02:33:32
Damage to the asphalt. 02:33:36
Who down the road will be viable to pay for that? 02:33:38
Just like he mentioned, we come in and out of that driveway only. 02:33:42
One Direction. 02:33:46
Because we can't get across the road, the traffic is so bad. 02:33:47
And we all talked as a group. 02:33:51
Stop signs by. 02:33:54
The crossings for the field roads. 02:33:56
Are they going to be stopping? And what if we hit somebody? 02:34:00
You know these are all real problems. 02:34:03
You know, and then the trail is going to be right along the field edge. Just normal farming practices, spraying. 02:34:06
Dust. 02:34:13
Debris flying out of the combined. 02:34:15
I don't know. 02:34:19
Farmers are the doormat to the world it seems like as of late. 02:34:20
Not stereotyping, but. 02:34:24
Just kind of the MO were given. 02:34:26
And yeah. 02:34:29
Thank you. 02:34:31
Anybody else want to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? 02:34:34
Good evening. I'm Michael Bakke W 5882. I'm the South end of Minnesota Junction here. 02:34:46
Neighbors to Nell's. 02:34:53
Not exactly opposed to it, but I'm definitely not in favor of it. 02:34:56
I do have some current concerns still. 02:35:01
Which is the main reason why we were here was to kind of get some of those answers. 02:35:03
Yeah, but my wife and I. 02:35:08
Moved out here. 02:35:11
Where we were for the privacy. 02:35:12
We didn't want to have people coming right through. Yes, we have used the state trail. 02:35:14
That is away from us, and we've walked with our families to that trail on 33. 02:35:18
It's not the end of the world. 02:35:23
But. 02:35:25
Having a drill in front yard. 02:35:26
Does kind of. 02:35:28
I'm not fully for it. 02:35:31
I'm not exactly against it, so I just want to be on record saying that. 02:35:33
So thank you. 02:35:37
Anybody else? 02:35:41
Like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request. 02:35:43
Anybody in the audience that come forward and speak? 02:35:46
In opposition. 02:35:50
I am Ross Everly. 02:36:01
W5548 I'm not saying my mom. 02:36:02
The Eberly Farm. This trail will come. 02:36:06
17 feet from the front door. 02:36:09
She's 86. She doesn't feel. 02:36:13
Real good about all the traffic. I don't know. 02:36:16
How many people be going back and forth but. 02:36:19
Pretty close. 02:36:24
So. 02:36:28
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? 02:36:32
Anybody in the audience? 02:36:36
My. 02:36:48
Another landowner under out. 02:36:50
Pretty much what everybody say. I fire in the fields there and. 02:36:54
Yeah, I know it's. 02:36:58
Be a hassle to do it the way. 02:36:59
Farmers are that things gonna be right next to our fields. 02:37:01
We're all trying to maneuver our sprayers and our planters and everything else around. 02:37:05
Now we got to worry about that too. 02:37:10
It's going to affect our lifestyle, which I get it. I mean, I'm. 02:37:12
You know, sat here for how many hours? I'm pretty happy it's not a. 02:37:16
Miami, that's going to be next. 02:37:19
We've got probably moving on, Dodge told you that. 02:37:23
But uh. 02:37:26
You know, I get it, the trails can be nice for some people. I. 02:37:28
I also got the opinion that. 02:37:31
Kind of a waste of taxpayer money, I think. 02:37:33
$2,000,000 could be found a better project than this. 02:37:36
For the. 02:37:39
General public. 02:37:41
You know how many people really use this trail? 02:37:42
50. 02:37:47
Out of Dodge County. I mean, it just seems like a lot of money for that. 02:37:48
But that's just my opinion and. 02:37:52
That's it. Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? Anybody present that would like to come 02:37:55
forward, speak in opposition? 02:38:00
Is there anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition? 02:38:05
To this request. 02:38:08
Anything. Written correspondence? 02:38:12
Along that line. 02:38:14
Let's see, I have. 02:38:21
Frederick. 02:38:25
Schwarzberger. 02:38:27
As a property owner along the. 02:38:29
Proposed extension of the Gold Star Memorial Trail from. 02:38:31
City View Blvd. in Horicon. 02:38:35
To the Wild Goose Trail, I support this important project. I have agreed to the requested easement and encourage fellow land 02:38:39
owners to also grant the right. 02:38:44
Of way. 02:38:50
Since extending the trail westward would provide lasting benefits to the recreational vitality of the Dodge County. 02:38:51
This initiative is a significant investment to our future and timely cooperation will help secure. 02:38:59
Project funding. 02:39:05
Thank you for your continued leadership and making the Gold Star Memorial Trail a patriotic reality. 02:39:06
Next we have Judy McNamara. 02:39:15
This may be the last as I just got this to. 02:39:22
This may be late because I just got this today. 02:39:26
When I lived in Juneau, I walked the trail every day. 02:39:29
Come rain or shine, in the process it helped me lose 80 lbs. 02:39:32
When my daughter lived near the trail, we used to walk our dogs quite often at the same trail. 02:39:38
This is a very beneficial addition to the Dodge to Dodge County and I know from experience many people use it walking, biking, 02:39:45
etc. 02:39:49
While my life has changed dramatically since then, I am a firm believer that the expansion would be great. 02:39:53
My dear friend, Virginia Sale. 02:40:00
Was the one person. 02:40:04
I give credit to making me aware of this wonderful trail. I urge you to add the expansion to the trail. Thank you sincerely. Judy 02:40:07
McNamara. Mayville, WI. 02:40:12
Next. 02:40:19
Jeannie, Jenny. Jeannie Soul. See Home. 02:40:20
I am Virginia. 02:40:26
Jeannie. 02:40:27
Wife of racy home Ray retired at John Deere Horcon. 02:40:28
Worked for several years to the. 02:40:33
In the personnel department, I'm a registered nurse. I worked. 02:40:36
At Beaver Dam Hospital. 02:40:41
Plus other nursing jobs. 02:40:43
When we both retired, we opened the ice cream station in Horicon. 02:40:45
Some 40 years ago. 02:40:50
I was involved in a project. 02:40:51
That started. 02:40:54
The West Gold Star Trail. 02:40:57
Wisconsin Gold Star Trail It wasn't easy, but through bake sales, great community and business support, we collected enough 02:41:01
funding. 02:41:05
To eventually build the 1st 6 miles of the bicycle trail with some grants. 02:41:08
Those writers eat food at our area restaurants, food produced by local farmers. 02:41:13
Staying in local motels and bought pumpkins from John and Everly's pumpkin farm. 02:41:19
Taxes from the riders also benefited Dodge County farmers, laborers, business owners and retirees. 02:41:25
I am now 89 years old. 02:41:33
Nearly 90 very soon. 02:41:35
I was impressed by the Johnson family who spearheaded the memorial trail and. 02:41:38
Horror condom Mayville. 02:41:43
To honor their son who was killed in the war defending our country. 02:41:45
My son, Colonel Lane, a pilot with the Air Force, died March of 2023 from esophageal cancer. 02:41:49
Which the Veterans Administration decided from the fire pits and other toxins that the burning in Afghanistan. 02:41:57
Rock while their aircraft waited for loading. 02:42:04
To load injured military people. 02:42:08
Along with the Johnson family son who was killed, there are. 02:42:10
We lost two other wonderful sons of Dodge County. 02:42:14
I am now 89 years old. 02:42:17
Nearly 90, it has been my dream to finish the project before my death, which could be anytime soon. Sadly, Ray, my husband, also 02:42:20
died three months before our son. 02:42:25
Federal grant of 1.1. 02:42:30
$1,000,000 may well be lost. 02:42:32
If we fail to take advantage of the offer. 02:42:35
Next, Andrew Wentworth. 02:42:39
I served in the Marine. 02:42:42
Marine Corps. 02:42:43
That's it then? Nope. 02:42:58
Somebody else want to read? 02:43:00
OK. 02:43:02
This is from Andrew Wentworth. 02:43:09
I served in the Marine. 02:43:13
Corpse during Operation Iraqi Freedom to in Iraq alongside Lance Corporal Ryan Catapio, one of Dodge County's fallen servicemen. 02:43:14
And I was on the same patrol with him on Thanksgiving night in 2004 when he was tragically killed defending our nation. 02:43:24
I strongly support the expansion of the Gold Star Memorial Trail in Dodge County to honor him and all our local heroes who 02:43:32
sacrificed their lives. 02:43:36
In armed conflict. 02:43:41
This trail not only keeps their memories alive but also benefits our community by offering essential opportunities. 02:43:43
For exercise, a peaceful escape into nature and quiet moments. 02:43:51
To pause. 02:43:56
Is still and reflect on the liberty we've been given by those brave men who volunteered to protect us. 02:43:57
Addressing vital needs that are widely lacking in modern society. 02:44:04
Extending it ensures their profound legacy continues to inspire resilience, gratitude and appreciation in Dodge County for 02:44:09
generations to come. 02:44:14
Sorry, I'm a marine so. 02:44:25
BJ Ganeman. 02:44:36
I also am willing to put my support behind. 02:44:38
What Andy wrote as we were in the same unit and feel the same way. 02:44:42
That's it. 02:44:48
All right. Committee, have any questions? 02:44:56
Can I comment? 02:45:03
Well, I suppose. 02:45:05
This will be short just a couple things I wanted to say. I have a brother who was a. 02:45:11
Hit by motorists not once by but twice. He had a broken collarbone one time and. 02:45:16
Broken hip to the next. 02:45:21
This trail will make it safer. 02:45:24
For Bicyc. 02:45:27
And also. 02:45:29
When I was in second grade, I was a pallbearer. 02:45:31
For one of my friends who was run over by a car. 02:45:33
Riding his bicycle. 02:45:36
Which we had the trails back then. 02:45:40
Thanks. 02:45:42
How did he come to the base farm track of? 02:45:47
80 What is it? Based farm track figured here on this. 02:45:50
Boilerplate application and. 02:45:54
So yeah, you want me to answer that one? No. 02:45:58
No, I have no idea. 02:46:01
So, so so the whole wherever that portion would have gone through. 02:46:03
The base farm track was designated in 2012. 02:46:10
For these properties that are under A1. 02:46:14
Prime farmland. 02:46:17
So that base farm track. 02:46:18
Covers encompasses that whole. 02:46:20
Parcel. 02:46:22
And then whatever little segment that was going through that parcel, it just counts towards that. 02:46:24
Mathematical equation. 02:46:30
We're we're, we're against a a wall here. 02:46:37
Timing. 02:46:41
Could the easements? 02:46:43
Could have that project started earlier rather than. 02:46:44
Later. 02:46:48
Because all of a sudden it's like, well, we have to have this done by next month, but we have easements to get yet and we're we're 02:46:49
being squeezed here. 02:46:53
Yes, yeah, it's been a challenge. So going through this federal. 02:46:58
Process. 02:47:02
Is. 02:47:03
Extremely time consuming. 02:47:05
It took a long time for us to get the actual agreements and to get going with. 02:47:06
Getting a consultant on board to do the designs and it's taken that long to get through all the processes we did. 02:47:13
We did actually start some discussions with we had a meeting. 02:47:21
I think in 24. 02:47:26
I'm remembering August 24th before the we really got. 02:47:29
Into some of the nuts and bolts of it. 02:47:32
And we tried to get. 02:47:36
Droughts. What the concerns were so that the designs could be. 02:47:37
Kind of established from there. 02:47:41
There's been. 02:47:44
We've reached out. 02:47:46
For the last several months. 02:47:48
And now it's just coming down to this. 02:47:50
You know to this deadline here. 02:47:53
And and we have to commence construction by mid August. 02:47:57
And to meet that timeline with all the other. 02:48:02
Processes that have to be approved through the state. 02:48:06
And the. 02:48:09
Thanks. 02:48:11
We really need to get everything. 02:48:13
Buttoned up. 02:48:15
In February, yeah, I met. 02:48:16
It's just the way it's gone. 02:48:18
Yeah, So what if you don't get all the easements? 02:48:21
So there are some. 02:48:24
Modifications that are possible? 02:48:27
They do add costs to the project. 02:48:31
They create some. 02:48:34
Wonky looking culvert. 02:48:36
Options, as was mentioned, concerned about culverts coming in. 02:48:38
We can adjust some of them. 02:48:42
But then they will. 02:48:45
They're kind of weird looking, but there, so there are some things we can do. 02:48:49
There might be some options to shift a little bit closer to the road. 02:48:53
I think I put think there was 29. 02:48:58
Foot set back from traveled way. 02:49:00
We try to maintain, I think it's 25 to 30. 02:49:03
Foot. So we have a little bit of movement. 02:49:07
Obviously we're looking at safety off the road. If vehicle does leave the roadway, the. 02:49:10
But. 02:49:16
We can in some areas we may be able to shift one or two feet that would would eliminate some of the. 02:49:18
Grading portions, but it's really the culverts that we need to maintain the drainage. 02:49:24
In there and those are where the permanent easements are. 02:49:29
There's not a not the ability to get rid of those. 02:49:34
Completely so we there are. 02:49:37
Those things that. 02:49:39
That we need to have some modifications might be possible. 02:49:41
And that's where we just want to discuss. 02:49:45
And see what what might. 02:49:47
What we might be able to workout. 02:49:49
So have there been any thoughts on how you can? 02:49:51
Make users of the trail safer with armor kingly crossing the trail to. 02:49:55
I run a lot of. 02:50:00
Farm equipment and. 02:50:00
I can see that being an issue. 02:50:02
So we have, well, they said we our Wild Goose Trail has 20 miles. 02:50:03
Within Dodge County and we have several. 02:50:09
Farm crossings in there that we've been operating for. 02:50:12
Said 40 years. 02:50:16
Roughly about a quite 4035 years that we've actually had it open. 02:50:17
To my knowledge, we have not had any really major issues with that. 02:50:24
Areas where we do. 02:50:28
Where there might be a lot of. 02:50:30
Traffic in there, that makes sense. We have. Usually it's on residential driveways. 02:50:32
More commercial properties, we'll put a stop sign. 02:50:38
And. 02:50:41
And in the responsibility is on those riders. 02:50:43
To stop there. 02:50:46
Not saying that everybody is going to stop. 02:50:47
But there's plenty of clear space there's. We're not going to, we're not dealing with any. 02:50:50
High speed crossings we're actually dealing with fairly. 02:50:55
The the. 02:51:01
The incidence of. 02:51:03
Equipment going in and out. 02:51:06
When we have. 02:51:07
Bikers crossing are probably not that. 02:51:09
Often. 02:51:12
But each can see each other. 02:51:15
We have not had issues. 02:51:19
And that in all our experience, years of experience on that. 02:51:21
Not going to say that it's never that we've never had a close call or something, but. 02:51:26
To my knowledge, we've never had an issue with that. 02:51:31
And if we do have an issue where? 02:51:34
I think several years ago there was some on the Wild Goose trail. There was some concerns. 02:51:37
And we've added stop signs where we felt it was necessary. 02:51:43
In those areas. 02:51:47
If I could, I would like to address the non motorized. 02:51:49
We are not allowed to make this a motorized. 02:51:53
Trail so it is it is non motorized. 02:51:56
We still have to. 02:52:01
Address Ebikes. 02:52:02
I officially. 02:52:05
But in general, you know, he bikes are expanding. 02:52:06
They don't make noise. 02:52:11
They they will. 02:52:12
This trail will allow. 02:52:14
Somebody on an E bike from. 02:52:16
To commute from Horicon to Juno and vice versa. 02:52:17
Almost as quickly as a car. 02:52:22
You know, it's, it's one of those things that. 02:52:23
You we're going to see a lot more commuting. 02:52:25
And less vehicle traffic. 02:52:28
Overall. 02:52:31
With something like this. So that's that's one of the side benefits and that's why it's a Department of Transportation grant. It's 02:52:32
for active transportation and trying to. 02:52:37
Encourage. 02:52:43
Less vehicle trips. 02:52:45
And more. 02:52:47
More bike trips. 02:52:49
So non motorized is not permitted. 02:52:51
If if something does happen out there. 02:52:55
Law enforcement. 02:52:58
Are to be notified and we will address that. 02:52:59
Again so. 02:53:01
Does an E bike have a motor? 02:53:05
So it yeah. 02:53:07
The issue with the bikes, there are some different levels. 02:53:11
The way we're kind of leaning on this is that. 02:53:15
If you can't pay. 02:53:20
It's not allowed. 02:53:22
So. 02:53:24
There's E bikes that you can just step on, you know, hit the gas and we'll go. But if you can't pedal it. 02:53:26
And your own power. 02:53:31
Manpower. Uh. 02:53:33
We don't want it out there. We that's something that's an official policy. We need to right now. It's. 02:53:35
Technically considered a motorized and not not allowed on the trails. 02:53:40
We don't enforce that portion. 02:53:45
But. 02:53:47
So but. 02:53:51
As far as gas powered motors know. 02:53:52
And I just want to reiterate that the trail is. 02:53:57
Fully within the the trail itself, the 10 foot asphalt is fully within the right of the current right of way. So we are not 02:53:59
needing. 02:54:04
Land outside of that to actually. 02:54:08
Put the physical trail. 02:54:10
So there will be a buffer between the property line. 02:54:12
And the and the trail itself. 02:54:15
The as far as driveway crossings, we do beef those up. 02:54:20
They are extra thick asphalt and extra wide. 02:54:25
To accommodate. 02:54:29
Turning vehicles or. 02:54:30
You know, access. 02:54:33
Access issues in there. 02:54:34
And and certainly that's something we can look at further if there's, and I know that was. 02:54:37
Was brought up previously. 02:54:42
That is something we can certainly work into the designs and make adjustments to accommodate that. 02:54:44
Now I don't know if it was a specific one. 02:54:49
There is an issue with Department of Transportation. 02:54:53
Allowing certain. 02:54:57
Access. 02:54:59
Things that may have been done previously. 02:55:00
That are that they don't want to see. 02:55:03
Angled. 02:55:06
Access or things like that. So. 02:55:06
So those are things that we have to work within their parameters. 02:55:10
As well. 02:55:14
Um. 02:55:16
Yeah. And I guess I would just. 02:55:20
Like to reiterate that. 02:55:22
You know this is a generational project. 02:55:25
It's taken us, you know, that we've been trying to do this for 30 some years. We finally have the opportunity. 02:55:27
With the funding and the support. 02:55:33
If if this does not happen. 02:55:37
I I dare say that. 02:55:39
It will never happen. It will never get a connection between. 02:55:41
Communities and the Wild Goose Trail. 02:55:44
And and that's. 02:55:48
Sad with all the. 02:55:50
The The history of trails shows that once they're in. 02:55:54
People use them. 02:55:59
People want them. 02:56:01
They are good for our community. 02:56:02
Well, and it's getting awfully late and I apologize, but. 02:56:07
This is one question I have yet and I have to turn farm equipment onto Hwy. 60 and that's not much difference in Hwy. 33. 02:56:12
And when I come to that highway. 02:56:20
The last thing I would really want to worry about is another crossing right there, either going off of it or coming onto it. I 02:56:22
mean that traffic is going at 65 miles an hour. 02:56:27
And they don't stop on that road when you come. 02:56:33
Equipment. 02:56:36
And you're worried about that and all of a sudden, something. 02:56:36
In your peripheral you miss. 02:56:39
That would be where that trail is going and I'm not real confident. 02:56:42
With having a trail right next to a. 02:56:46
State highway like that. 02:56:48
Even all your arm twisting isn't. 02:56:52
Settling me on that. 02:56:54
You know it, it's we're not the first to do these. There's. 02:56:56
You know history of these. 02:57:01
And I can tell you is our history. We have not had those issues. 02:57:04
And. 02:57:10
You know the the users of the trail are cognizant of. 02:57:12
They need to be cognizant of what. 02:57:16
You know what's surrounding them and if, well, you hope there's something there. I hope so. 02:57:18
But you're you very have very low speeds. 02:57:23
For for biking. 02:57:26
And and walking. 02:57:27
So. 02:57:29
The users of the trail recognize. 02:57:30
The land owners. 02:57:34
You know, mentioned here. 02:57:35
They recognize. 02:57:38
What they're up against here. 02:57:41
They are not. 02:57:45
They're interested in getting from A to B, not stopping. 02:57:48
Not hanging out. 02:57:52
Not invading privacy or anything like that. 02:57:56
So. 02:57:59
Any other questions? 02:58:04
And for me. 02:58:07
Anything else you'd like to add? 02:58:09
Mr. Ellen Bach. 02:58:12
I think I said enough. 02:58:14
You think so? 02:58:16
There's more. I could, but yeah. 02:58:18
Don't want to be here. 02:58:20
Any longer than we have. 02:58:21
All right, we'll close the public hearing. Let's move on to conclusions of law. 02:58:23
Based on the facts presented in the application and at the public hearing, the committee concludes that. 02:58:27
236-F2 Is the project compatible with adjacent uses in terms of scale, site design and operating characteristics? 02:58:34
Well, I guess that would qualify there. 02:58:45
236 F 3 Will the proposed. 02:58:49
Use use be significantly detrimental. 02:58:53
To the public health, safety and welfare. 02:58:57
Well, here's where I'm going to say I'm not. 02:59:01
I am not satisfied yet, I mean. 02:59:03
Significantly detrimental Do we How many people do we have to? 02:59:06
Hit with farm machinery for its is significant so. 02:59:10
I mean. 02:59:14
Whatever the committee is going to vote here, I'm. 02:59:15
I'm concerned about that safety issue with farm equipment yet because I know how it goes getting onto these busy. 02:59:19
I would say no because like what I said before. 02:59:26
My brother's been hit by. 02:59:31
Vehicles a couple times. 02:59:33
Riding on highway. 02:59:34
If there was trails. 02:59:36
Maybe not so I think. 02:59:37
That a trail will be. 02:59:39
Than the highway. 02:59:41
What do you think, Larry? 02:59:42
I would agree. 02:59:44
You're evil him. 02:59:45
Dale, I drive on roads too. I have to get on Hwy. 33 two and it scares me to death with the traffic on it, you know? Yeah. 02:59:47
I'm got my eyes in the traffic. 02:59:54
I know, I know something else. 02:59:56
I think there's got to be warning spins up there that does. 02:59:59
Egg equipment moving in and out, you know. 03:00:02
To warn the people on the trail. 03:00:05
What do you think? 03:00:09
I agree. 03:00:12
I on the trail and on the road. 03:00:14
Yes. Umm. 03:00:15
Yeah, so we 3 say. 03:00:17
No one to say yes here. 03:00:21
So the nose there to. 03:00:26
What happens when you come with your farm equipment up to a bicycle on the road? 03:00:27
I don't have a bicycle on the road. They know not to be on there. OK, But I mean, yeah. 03:00:33
You have to worry about your. 03:00:38
10 foot wide. 03:00:42
Piece of machinery hauling down the road and you come up to a bicycle. What do you do? 03:00:45
We go on the shoulder. 03:00:48
And sometimes we take the grass because we've got to stay off that road we got. There's a bicycle going the same way as you. 03:00:50
Typically that doesn't happen. There's no bikes that want to be on those kind of highways. 03:00:57
But if they're in front of you. 03:01:02
They better move out of the way or else I gotta slow down. So that's another issue you're gonna start affecting. 03:01:04
Egg traffic and egg safety and safety of bikes. 03:01:09
It's one thing to turn off of a field and just go across. 03:01:15
The old railroad tracks to get to a road, I mean. 03:01:19
I don't know. 03:01:24
That's just my concern here. 03:01:24
I don't think it's been adequately. 03:01:27
Addressed. 03:01:29
The fact that we have some farmers here that aren't satisfied yet and that we're up against the. 03:01:32
Wall here with timing. 03:01:37
It would be really nice to. 03:01:38
Have another month on this, or two weeks even. 03:01:41
But I guess we don't. 03:01:44
So. 03:01:48
We have three votes that it will not be significantly detrimental to public health and two that say it will, so the majority says 03:01:50
no. 03:01:54
236-F4 Will the project cause a substantial decrease in value of other property in the neighborhood in which it is to be located? 03:02:01
Well-being on the road, I don't see it happening. 03:02:12
236-F5 our public safety, transportation and utility. 03:02:17
Facilities and services available to serve the subject property while maintaining. 03:02:22
Maintaining sufficient levels of service for existing development. 03:02:28
That there are. 03:02:33
236-F6. 03:02:36
Are there adequate assurances of continuing maintenance for the project? 03:02:39
There are. 03:02:44
236-F7. 03:02:46
Will there be any significant adverse impacts on the natural environment that require mitigation? 03:02:48
I believe not. 03:02:56
236 F 8. 03:02:58
Is the project located in any hazard areas? 03:03:00
Was it? 03:03:04
No, OK. 03:03:07
236-F1 Does the proposed project comply with all applicable provisions? 03:03:11
Of this code for the A1 agricultural. 03:03:18
A2 general agricultural. R1 single family residential. C2 extensive commercial. 03:03:22
I-1 light industrial zoning districts. 03:03:30
Yes, I believe it does. 03:03:34
Are any conditions for approval needed in this case to mitigate any potential adverse impacts? 03:03:37
On the properties. 03:03:44
The environment or the communities? 03:03:45
We had five read into the record. Are we? 03:03:48
In agreement with those 5. 03:03:53
As we went through. 03:03:56
Or is there anything else you'd like to see? 03:03:58
Added as a. 03:04:02
I guess we'll go with those 5 then. 03:04:07
Does the committee believe that? 03:04:10
The conditional use permit request meets the approval criteria in Sections 236-F of the County Land Use Code. 03:04:12
Yes, yes. 03:04:22
There is one condition. 03:04:25
How about the right to farm? You think we should add that condition? 03:04:26
We can. 03:04:33
We just need to make sure that we get. 03:04:36
Is that something we can just add or is that sort of that? 03:04:41
Brought up with a combine with the spreader in the back, you know. 03:04:45
That's quite. 03:04:49
Service meeting, ma'am. 03:04:51
Usually right to farm is a is a statement put on a survey. 03:04:52
So it becomes. 03:04:57
Part of. 03:04:58
You know, see. 03:04:59
It's it's on the survey, but I think I've seen it in something like this. 03:05:02
Yeah, I suppose you can. 03:05:10
Conditional use as a condition. It's one of the conditions. Is that that? 03:05:12
It's not detrimental to the farming activities in the area. 03:05:17
And that it will. 03:05:22
If there is ever tight any type of judgment. 03:05:24
That that. 03:05:27
Could be a standard for the record to state, look, you know I have a right to farm this. 03:05:28
What's the committee thing? 03:05:35
Not a bad idea. I don't think it's a bad idea. 03:05:37
OK, let's put something like that on then. 03:05:40
Edition number six. So then that's six conditions. 03:05:43
Then we need a motion. 03:05:57
Entertain a motion. 03:06:00
I'll make a motion to approve the conditional use permit request based upon the previously mentioned. 03:06:01
Findings and conditions. 03:06:07
I'll certainly. 03:06:10
Motion in a second any. 03:06:13
Other conversation. 03:06:14
We'll call a vote. All those in favor signify by saying aye. 03:06:18
Aye, opposed. 03:06:22
I'll be opposed. 03:06:24
Motion carries. 03:06:26
On the basis of the above findings. 03:06:29
A fact Conclusions of law on the record in this matter. The committee granted preliminary approval of the conditional use permit 03:06:32
subject to the conditions listed above. 03:06:36
The Land Use Administrator is directed to issue a conditional use permit incorporating the decision. 03:06:40
Of the committee. 03:06:45
All right. 03:06:50
Public comment on anything that we haven't talked about tonight yet. 03:07:06
Nothing. All right. 03:07:15
You have to sign some paperwork. 03:07:17
Committee member reports there's usually none of those. 03:07:19
Just to. 03:07:23
Minutes. 03:07:24
That's the last one. 03:07:26
If they look at the minutes, what do you What is your? 03:07:30
Move approval. 03:07:33
Motion for approval. We have a motion for approval. I'll second that. All in favor approving. The minutes from last meeting 03:07:35
signify saying aye, aye. Opposed. Minutes approved. 03:07:40
We'll sign some papers. 03:07:46
January 26 going to be. 03:07:55
We have nothing. Nothing. 03:07:57
So let's cancel that meeting committee, OK with that. 03:07:59
No, I want to come. 03:08:02
Good comment, We won't be here, just split this one up. 03:08:05
Yeah, really. 03:08:08
So we just canceled next meeting. Then that'd be OK because nothing come out anymore, right? I can. Yeah, nothing can. Come on. It 03:08:10
would only be if there was something that did not need a public hearing notice. 03:08:17
Yeah, could be from Bill or something. 03:08:24
That bill will be canceled the next meeting and escape with you. There's no hearings. 03:08:27
We had fees, OK. Next meeting will be February 9. 03:08:34
And we have a lot, OK. 03:08:41
Just giving you a heads up right away, Supervisor Johnson. 03:08:44
Do you want a per diem? No. OK. 03:08:47
Very good. 03:08:53
We get a month. 03:08:57
No, I guess we have to sign things. We can do that after the meeting. No, we don't have anything to sign. OK. 03:09:02
10/08 by decision of the Chair. Meeting is adjourned. 03:09:09
Oh. 03:09:20
Wow, your office is all of a sudden. 03:09:26
When was ****? 03:09:36
He's a year older than me. 03:09:39
Come on. Yeah. And he's all. He was also a Marine. 03:09:42
So I understand it. Thank you. 03:09:47
Marine Camp, Pendleton First Persian Gulf. I've had towners interviewed. You know what? I was going to be internal. 03:09:54
For Dave or for ****? For Dave. 03:10:10
Just went yesterday. I don't know where that came from when this happened twice. 03:10:14
Drivers test twice. There you go. Yeah, sometimes you gotta learn it the hard way. 03:10:21
That. 03:10:27
Get up there, you need some help. Nice to meet you. 03:10:28
As well. 03:10:39
I'm done with the trails. 03:10:41
Who is the? 03:10:52
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Does he want to get paid? 00:00:06
I think he's here. 00:00:08
I didn't ask him yet. 00:00:09
That would doubt that he's not here as a supervisor so I would here is. 00:00:12
He's here with the booster. 00:00:17
Seeing the time is 7:00, we will call the. 00:00:24
OK, the waiters for a second. 00:00:39
Have to wait one second. 00:00:42
Is present. 00:00:51
Wisconsin Workshop. 00:00:57
Oh, I gotta find my. 00:01:01
Agenda. 00:01:03
Why do I always lose that? 00:01:07
Yeah, the next one. I lose my agendas all the time. 00:01:09
Oh, that one, yeah. 00:01:16
Thank you. 00:01:19
5:00 PM. 00:01:38
Yes. 00:02:13
Mary, do you know what's on that easel thing? 00:02:17
That's for the bolster. 00:02:20
So. 00:02:41
5. 00:02:57
Already. 00:03:06
Ready. Set. Go. 00:03:09
We will call the meeting. 00:03:12
Land Resources and Parks Committee meeting to order from Monday, January 12, 2026. 00:03:14
We have roll calls taken, we have all members of the committee here, so a quorum is present. 00:03:20
Could you please confirm compliance with the Open Meeting Law and the public hearing notice requirements? 00:03:27
It was noted that the meeting was properly noticed in accordance with open meetings law. 00:03:32
In order that the required notices for the public hearing listed on the agenda were posted, mailed, published in accordance with 00:03:37
state statute and code requirements. 00:03:40
All right. Thank you. Could you also explain the hearing procedures for tonight's meeting? 00:03:46
OK, we have a series of two public hearings tonight. Procedures for these hearings are as follows. 00:03:50
Committee chairman will read the public hearing notice, after which a report and recommendation that has been prepared by the 00:03:56
county land. 00:03:59
Resources and Parks Department. 00:04:04
Staff will be read into the record regarding the request before the committee. 00:04:06
Following the staff report, the floor will be open to the public. 00:04:10
For public comment. 00:04:13
If you would like to speak, please step forward to the microphone and state your name for the record. 00:04:15
And state your position regarding the request before the committee. 00:04:22
Please address your comments and questions to the committee because there are several public hearings tonight. 00:04:25
You'll be limited to 5 minutes to take. 00:04:31
To make your statement. Excuse me? 00:04:33
Or ask questions of the committee. You will only be allowed to speak once, so please be prepared. 00:04:36
After those in attendance that have spoken, written correspondence that has been received by the committee will then be read into 00:04:42
the record and the committee will have the opportunity at to ask the applicant any questions. 00:04:48
Following the committee questions, the applicant will be allowed to give a final statement for the record. 00:04:54
After receiving all public comment. 00:04:59
The committee will then deliberate. 00:05:02
The final decision on the request before them, a copy of the conditional use permit decision by the committee will be mailed to 00:05:04
the applicant and owner. 00:05:08
Any person or persons aggrieved by the conditional use permit. 00:05:13
Decision. 00:05:16
Made by the committee may file an appeal. 00:05:18
With the Land, Resources and Parks Department within 30 days after the date of the written notice of the decision or order of the 00:05:20
committee. 00:05:24
The county assumes no liability for and makes no warranty. 00:05:27
As to the reliance on any decision if construction is commenced prior to. 00:05:31
The exploration date of this 30 day period. 00:05:36
In addition, if a conditional use is denied, the applicant may appeal the decision to the Circuit Court under procedures contained 00:05:39
in. 00:05:43
5969 for parent 10 of Wisconsin Statutes. 00:05:47
If during this meeting, procedural questions or other points of order arise, the final decision of the committee may be. 00:05:51
May be postponed until. 00:05:57
More information is gathered, considered, and properly acted upon. 00:06:00
Thank you. Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the Dodge County Land, Resources and Parks Committee on 00:06:06
Monday, January 12, 2026 at 7:05 PM or shortly thereafter on the first floor. 00:06:12
Meeting rooms 1 H and one I of the Administration Building, Juneau, WI. On the application of Michael Carter for a conditional use 00:06:18
permit under the Land Use Code, Dodge County, Wisconsin, to allow for the establishment of a new non metallic mine within the A1 00:06:24
Prime Agricultural zoning district. 00:06:29
The property is located in the southeast corner of the Section 4 Town of Trenton. 00:06:35
Copy of the proposed project is available for review and the County Land Resources and Parks Department between the hours of 8:00 00:06:40
AM and 4:30 PM. 00:06:43
Monday through Friday, 920-386-3700. 00:06:48
All persons interests that are invited to attend and be heard written comments may be sent to the Dodge County Land Resources and 00:06:52
Parks Department at 127 E Oak St. Juneau, WI. 00:06:57
53039 or by e-mail to T Oaks at Co dot dodge dot WI dot US no later than January 9. 00:07:02
2026. 00:07:10
Dated December 2nd, 2025. 00:07:12
Dodge County Land Resources and Parks Committee. 00:07:14
By Dan Sigmund, Chair. 00:07:17
Could you please read the staff report now? 00:07:21
OK. An application for county conditional use permit under the Dodge County Land Use Code was made by the applicant to allow for 00:07:25
the establishment of a 223.4 acre non metallic mining. 00:07:31
Mine within the A1 prime agricultural zoning district. The county has zoning jurisdiction over the site is the Town of Trenton has 00:07:38
adopted the county's land use code. 00:07:42
Review criteria subsection 2.36 A through H of the land use code details Procedural matters. The approval criteria. 00:07:47
In the form of the Conditional Use Permit application. 00:07:56
According to Section 3, point 7.4 of the code, the committee may authorize the land use administrator to issue a conditional use 00:07:59
permit. 00:08:04
For conditional uses listed under Section 3, point 7.2 of the code, after review of the public hearing, provided that such 00:08:09
conditional uses. 00:08:14
Are in accordance with section 2.3, point 6 of this Code and Wisconsin statute 49. 00:08:19
Excuse me 91.46. 00:08:25
Land use code provisions section 3.2 point excuse me 3.7 point 2F of the land use code list non metallic mining operations. 00:08:29
As a conditional use permit in the A1 prime agricultural zoning district. 00:08:39
Section 6. Point 1.5. 00:08:43
D1. 00:08:46
Resource extraction and processing characteristics. 00:08:48
Resource extraction and processing include mining, extraction and. 00:08:52
Or processing of mineral or aggregate resources from the ground. 00:08:57
And the removal of peat or soil. 00:09:01
Off the site. 00:09:04
For off site use. Excuse me. 00:09:07
Section 6. Point 1.5. 00:09:10
Point or D2? 00:09:12
Resource extraction and processing. 00:09:15
Is accessory uses. Accessory uses may include storage, sorting, stockpiling. 00:09:18
Or the transfer off site of the mining material and may include concrete batching. 00:09:25
Crushers and asphalt production. 00:09:31
See Exhibit B for application definitions. 00:09:34
Now metallic mining reclamation ordinance provisions. 00:09:38
In accordance with NR. 135 point. 00:09:46
20 Pairing to a Wisconsin admin. 00:09:49
Wisconsin Administrative Code. 00:09:53
If there is a rezoning related hearing for a non metallic mining site. 00:09:56
The. 00:10:00
Regulatory authority shall provide the opportunity for this hearing. 00:10:01
To be. 00:10:05
To present testimony on reclamation matters. 00:10:05
The regulatory authority shall consider the reclamation related testimony in the in the zoning. 00:10:08
Related hearing. 00:10:15
In deciding on a permit application under the Non metallic mining Reclamation ordinance. 00:10:17
Purpose statement the. 00:10:23
Purpose of the A1 Prime Agricultural Zoning District is to promote areas of uses of a generally exclusive agricultural nature in 00:10:24
order to protect farmland. 00:10:29
Allow participation in the state's farmland preservation program. 00:10:34
And accommodating changing practices in the agricultural industry, subject to appropriate standards. 00:10:38
Project Details The applicant proposes to establish and operate a non metallic mining site. 00:10:45
Mining operation which is classified as a conditional use under Section 3.7, point 2F of the Dodge County Land Use Code. 00:10:55
The proposed project encompasses approximately 223.4 acres across 3 parcels zoned A1 Prime Agriculture. 00:11:03
The per the proposed mine will. 00:11:14
Extract bedrock limestone primarily for aggregate production. 00:11:16
With the potential for limited dimensional stone. 00:11:21
Mining operations will utilize portable equipment. 00:11:24
Including crushers, screens, conveyors and asphalt plant. 00:11:28
The concrete ready mix plant. 00:11:32
And a concrete ready mix plant. 00:11:34
The initial mining activities are. 00:11:35
Proposed to begin in the South. 00:11:38
West portion of the site based on the. 00:11:41
Test PIT investigations conducted by the applicant Overburden. 00:11:44
Depth is. 00:11:49
Estimated to range from approximately 5 to 10 feet. 00:11:50
Across the projected mining area. 00:11:54
Overboard overburdened material will be stockpiled for future reclamation activities for use. 00:11:57
Or use in. 00:12:04
To construct safety berms. 00:12:06
Aggregate extraction will occur. 00:12:08
Through controlled blasting. 00:12:11
Conducted by a contracted licensed blaster approximately once or twice per year. 00:12:13
The initial excavation phase is anticipated to include cuts ranging from 25 to 50 feet in depth. 00:12:20
With a sump excavated. 00:12:27
Approximately 10 feet deeper to facilitate dewatering. 00:12:29
The watering of the active mine will be accomplished using a sump pump. 00:12:34
With water either recycled with the mining operation. 00:12:38
For use. 00:12:43
In the wash plant or directed? 00:12:44
To an on site settling pond. 00:12:47
The settling pond will be located within the mine area and the construction. 00:12:49
And and constructed using clay overburden. 00:12:55
Discharge from the settling pond to local drainage ditches will occur in compliance with Wisconsin Pollutant Discharge. 00:12:58
Elimination systems. 00:13:05
General permit number WI dash. 00:13:08
0046515-07-2. 00:13:12
Following blasting, rock material will be excavated and conveyed to portable crushing equipment for processing directly through 00:13:18
portable crushers. 00:13:22
Material will be screened. 00:13:27
To. 00:13:29
Achieve desired graduation and placed into stockpiles by size. 00:13:30
Some crushed material will be washed using mine water. 00:13:35
With. 00:13:39
Processed water routing. 00:13:41
To the settling pond to allow for the settlement of fine materials, including and clay sized particles. 00:13:43
Settled fines will be used in site reclamation or otherwise managed in accordance with applicable state regulations. 00:13:51
Truck traffic associated with the operation will assess the site. 00:13:58
Access the site from Breezy Point Rd. 00:14:03
With loading occurring near the active mine site. 00:14:06
The estimated annual production of the operation is. 00:14:09
Approximately 50,200 thousand tons. 00:14:14
Development of the mind is proposed to occur upon receipt of all applicable local, state and federal permits. 00:14:18
Initial site. 00:14:27
Development is anticipated to occur during the first year of permit. 00:14:28
For of a. 00:14:34
Of permit approval. 00:14:35
With expansion occurring incrementally in response to market demand. 00:14:36
Over several years. 00:14:42
Mining activities are expected to progress in a continuous and transitional manner until the aggregate resources is exhausted. 00:14:43
Followed by reclamation of the site in accordance with. 00:14:51
Approved reclamation plans. 00:14:54
To find operation bases are not proposed due to the nature of the mining progression. 00:14:56
The proposed hours of operation are Monday through Friday. 00:15:04
6:00 AM to 6:00 PM. 00:15:07
And Saturday from 6. 00:15:09
AM to 2:00 PM. 00:15:12
Equipment maintenance and repair may take place outside these hours, depending on the situation. 00:15:14
There will be approximately 5 employees working the site. 00:15:20
At the. 00:15:23
On a part time basis. 00:15:24
A scale house with a nearby parking lot is proposed near the entrance of the mine. 00:15:26
Sanitary facilities will. 00:15:32
Consist of a portable restroom and solid waste dumpster. 00:15:35
There will be. 00:15:40
These will be placed near the scale house. Stormwater management, soil erosion and dust control plans have been submitted. 00:15:41
Special features of the site. 00:15:50
Features of the of the proposed construction and. 00:15:52
Property that relate to the granting or denial of a conditional use permit requests are as follows. 00:15:56
County has zoning jurisdiction over the site of the Town of Trenton. Has adopted the county's land use code. 00:16:02
The site is located within the A1 Prime Agricultural zoning district. 00:16:07
The proposed quarry is not located with. 00:16:12
Counties, Wisconsin or floodplain jurisdiction. 00:16:15
Topography of the site is nearly level, with the majority of slopes ranging from 2 to 6%. 00:16:19
Current land use of the site is agricultural. 00:16:26
The current land uses of the surrounding area are agricultural with supporting residents existing non metallic mines to the 00:16:29
southwest. 00:16:33
An industrial development to the South within the Beaver Dam city limits. 00:16:38
We have no designated archaeological sites. 00:16:45
The town has recommended approval. 00:16:48
Staff Advisories Staff has reviewed the proposal for compliance with the criteria listed in 2.3 point 6F of the Dodge County Land 00:16:52
Use Code. 00:16:57
Staff comments are listed in Exhibit A for review by the committee. 00:17:02
Staff points out that within Wisconsin Acts 67, substantial evidence means facts and information other than merely personal 00:17:07
preference or speculation. 00:17:12
Directly pertaining to the requirements of the conditions an applicant must meet. 00:17:17
To obtain a conditional use permit. 00:17:22
And that reasonable persons would accept or support of a conclusion. 00:17:24
Of a conclusion. 00:17:28
Staff must also note that per Section 2.36 D three of the Dodge County Land Use Code, the requirements of a conditional use. 00:17:30
Must be reasonable and to the. 00:17:39
Extent practical. 00:17:42
Practicable. 00:17:44
Measurable and may include conditions such as permit duration. 00:17:45
Transfer or renewal? 00:17:49
Staff has reviewed the proposal with the request to the criteria listed in 2.36 F of the code. 00:17:52
Staff believes that if proper permitting is obtained through the DNR land use code. 00:17:59
The purpose of the code can be achieved. 00:18:04
Some of the historical conditions Some historical conditions in this type and size of project include, but are not limited to. 00:18:07
I got 19. 00:18:18
Possible conditions. 00:18:23
One, the business operation shall be conducted in a manner that does not create a risk. 00:18:25
Of fire, explosion or other accident and shall not be detrimental to public health, safety, general welfare and the surrounding 00:18:30
neighboring community. 00:18:34
Two, any substantial or material deviation from the operation plan on file with the department may require review and approval of 00:18:38
a new or amended conditional use permit. 00:18:44
Three all erosion control and stormwater management measures. 00:18:50
Required by the applicant. 00:18:55
By acquired by a. 00:18:57
Applicable federal, state, county and local regulations shall be installed prior to the land disturbing activities. 00:18:59
And Shelby maintained throughout a duration of the mining operation in accordance with accepted best management practices. 00:19:05
For the applicant shall maintain a non metallic mining reclamation permit in accordance with Dodge County non Metallic mining 00:19:13
Reclamation ordinance. This permit shall require compliance with all approved reclamation plans. 00:19:19
Consistent with Section 4.3 of the Ordinance and the provisions of financial assurance in accordance with Section 5 of the 00:19:26
Ordinance prior to commencement of the quarry. 00:19:31
Five the the reclamation plan for the finished pond shall include modifications to the shape of the pond to include irregular. 00:19:41
Non rectangular boundaries so that the pond is more attractive. 00:19:51
Feature then. 00:19:56
Excuse me feature when it is finished. 00:19:58
Six, uh. 00:20:00
Applicant shall implement and maintain appropriate dust control measures throughout the mining operation to minimize. 00:20:01
Dust generated from the site. 00:20:08
7 The minimum set back. 00:20:12
Of 100 feet shall be maintained from all berms to the surrounding property lines. 00:20:13
8 The application at the applicant shell. 00:20:20
Be responsible for reimbursing the town or county for any repairs or reconstruction required to public haul roads. 00:20:23
Used to connect with nonmetallic mining operation. 00:20:31
Prior to the issuance of the conditional use permit, the applicant shall provide documentation demonstrating adequate assurances 00:20:34
and agreements. 00:20:38
Are in place to address the maintenance of public hall roads. 00:20:43
9 Any fuel oil or other hazardous material are stored on site. 00:20:48
All storage, handling, and containment procedures shall comply with the applicable federal, state, and local regulations to 00:20:53
prevent soil and groundwater contamination. 00:20:58
10 crushing asphalt. 00:21:03
Concrete and hauling activities shall be limited to the hours of 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM, Monday through Friday. 00:21:06
And 6:00 AM to 2:00 PM on Saturday within. 00:21:13
Saturdays when necessary. 00:21:17
11 Blasting activities shall be limited to the hours of 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM, Monday through Friday. 00:21:19
In 10 AM to 2:00 PM on Saturdays when necessary. 00:21:26
Storage and handling and use of explosives shall comply with all applicable federal, state, and local regulations. 00:21:30
12A Land use permit shall be obtained for the scale house and any additional structures constructed or placed on the site. 00:21:37
13 A driveway access permit along with an emergency response building number. 00:21:45
Shall be obtained. 00:21:51
14 Berms shall be fully encompassed around areas actively being mined. 00:21:54
Additionally, berms shall be vegetated and appropriate safety signage shall be installed. 00:22:00
15 No topsoil is to leave the site. 00:22:06
16. 00:22:09
No ink in. 00:22:11
Inconsistencies with the reclamation plan shall be addressed. 00:22:12
Or correct, excuse me. 00:22:16
Any inconsistencies within the reclamation plan? 00:22:18
Shall be addressed and corrected prior to approval. 00:22:22
17 All applicable local, state, and federal permits and approvals shall be obtained and maintained. 00:22:26
18 the. 00:22:33
The approval shall expire one year after the decision is filed with the department unless construction has been diligently 00:22:34
pursued. 00:22:38
A certificate certificate. 00:22:43
Of zoning compliance has been issued and approved using. 00:22:45
Approved. 00:22:49
The approved use. 00:22:51
Has been established or the Conditions Use permit has been renewed for a period not to exceed one additional year. 00:22:52
19. 00:23:00
The conditional use permits show expire. 00:23:01
Upon termination of the project. 00:23:04
Or if the rights granted by the permit are discontinued for a period of 180 consecutive days. 00:23:06
Thank you very much. Is the applicant. 00:23:18
This evening. Hi. 00:23:21
Could you? 00:23:22
I get a good chair. Could you sit at the table here and just state your name for the record here please? 00:23:25
We'll get a chair for you. 00:23:32
Anybody else? 00:23:34
Hi, I'm Mike, our Ketchner. 00:23:50
This is Park Carbon Knocker. 00:23:52
He's my consultant and consultant that. 00:23:55
Help draft this reclamation plan. 00:23:58
Pardon, could they microphone when I hear this? 00:24:01
Is. 00:24:04
Tap Tap on the book. 00:24:04
Bring it closer to you. It should be in OK. Can you hear us now? That's OK. So I'm Mike Krishna here, the applicant. 00:24:07
And this is Mark Krabenacher. He's our consultant that helped us draft this reclamation plan here. 00:24:14
So. 00:24:21
Is there anything you'd like to add to what you've heard read on the record? 00:24:23
At this point. 00:24:26
Just essentially that, yeah, we're looking to develop on. 00:24:30
Non metallic mine here. 00:24:34
It's going to start. 00:24:36
With approximately 10 acres and it'll grow as we need. 00:24:37
As demand grows. 00:24:41
For the need of. 00:24:43
So you figure to sort of move around. 00:24:46
Acreage as you. 00:24:48
Mine it you mean or That way, yeah, could always get bigger. 00:24:50
Correct. So essentially we would start where the the nearest driveway is to County Road A. 00:24:54
So that we're not. 00:25:00
Utilizing very much of Breezy Point Rd. 00:25:01
So that's where our scale and a little parking area would be for employees or. 00:25:05
You know people that would. 00:25:10
Stop and then we would start mining close to that and then it would just move out from there. 00:25:12
I essentially we would start, you know. 00:25:21
Closer to the road and. 00:25:23
Go to the north and to the east from there. 00:25:26
OK. 00:25:28
I'll add a little bit. 00:25:30
It's 223 acres, big property. 00:25:32
But over the course of 10 to 20 years, the initial 10 to 20 years, it would only. 00:25:36
Open up about. 00:25:42
20 to 30 acres. 00:25:43
Also, the majority of this property is going to always be in agricultural. 00:25:44
The The quarry will be initially mined 25 to 50 foot. 00:25:49
Deep at the 25 foot benches. 00:25:54
But there's 70 feet of rock, so that'll be the ultimate. 00:25:56
Depth would be 70 feet. 00:26:00
And, and, and so that, and that's how the quarry is going to grow from the southwest, it'll grow east. 00:26:04
And North. 00:26:10
And work its way that way. And then there's the electric transmission line that runs north-south. 00:26:11
Through the approximate center of the property. 00:26:17
And you know, they can maybe go under that to get into that eastern portion of the property. 00:26:19
And develop that probably last. 00:26:25
If that makes sense. 00:26:28
So you're saying after how many acres would be still? 00:26:29
In egg after 20 years, you said in the 1st 10 to 20 years, Mike estimates it would be 20 to 30 acres would be. 00:26:33
Affected leaving. 00:26:40
Really. Almost 200 acres, Still an egg? 00:26:43
OK if I make comment. 00:26:46
Can I come in on the draft conditions just. 00:26:49
Two of them just or one? 00:26:52
One of the draft conditions, I think it's up to you. I mean, sure, if you'd like. 00:26:54
#8 as it was read. 00:27:00
Restricts the. 00:27:04
A-100 Foot set back from the property boundaries. Berms shall be 100 feet from the property boundaries. 00:27:06
It's common. 00:27:15
To have a mining set back. 00:27:17
2550 or 100 feet from the property boundary, but often if there's excess overburden that needs to be stored in the berm. 00:27:19
That berm is in that 100 feet. 00:27:28
Not. 00:27:31
Outside the 100 feet meaning. 00:27:32
So between the property boundary and that 100 foot mining set back, that's the place to put the berm. 00:27:35
Otherwise, that land is just. 00:27:41
Kind of wasted. So you're saying 200 feet should be from the boundary, not from the berm because the berm is going to be in that 00:27:42
100 feet. I'm thinking, well, typically the mining set back is 100 feet from the property boundary, but the berm can be. 00:27:48
In that 100 feet, as long as it's, you know, not on the road, you know it's off the road, but it's on the private property. 00:27:55
In within that 100 foot mining set back. 00:28:01
And and I don't recall what the ordinance says about a mining set back. 00:28:05
But if that could be allowed. 00:28:09
And the other. 00:28:12
Condition. 00:28:14
The the permit is valid for one year. 00:28:16
And if there's no. 00:28:20
Action taken it can be withdrawn, but he intends on developing the mind within one year and after the mine is developed after that 00:28:22
first year can be. 00:28:27
Extended another year. 00:28:32
But there needs to be language that. 00:28:35
Includes. 00:28:38
Annual or biennial? 00:28:39
Renewal of the permit. You can't develop a mine. 00:28:41
That might have a 50 year life and only have a one year permit. 00:28:45
Unless. 00:28:48
It's, you know, it's an administrative renewal. 00:28:49
Upon meeting all the conditions if. 00:28:53
If I understand correctly, as long as you are in business. 00:28:56
You the permit continues on. 00:28:59
Is that, is that OK? That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. It just wasn't. If you don't do anything for a year, then we have another. 00:29:01
Thing to look at. 00:29:08
Yeah. And I guess to add to, I mean just comments about. 00:29:10
Since Mark was touching on. 00:29:14
The conditions. 00:29:16
I guess the the only thing I would ask about hours of operation is that if we had a job, job specific need where we needed 00:29:18
extended hours that we'd have a process that we could talk to either the. 00:29:24
The county or the Township, whoever at that point and request additional hours for a. 00:29:29
Project, whether that be earlier or later or. 00:29:34
You know, sometimes. 00:29:37
You know, whether it's a wisdom or a county job, there's certain hours that you need to hit, so we'd ask for that. 00:29:38
To be part of the hours. 00:29:44
Condition. 00:29:46
Like which hours would that typically run into then on Sundays too? 00:29:49
Sometimes like certain dot jobs will require night paving or you know, like. 00:29:53
It has to be done in off hours for traffic reasons or you know, certain stipulations. 00:29:59
So, you know, that'd be a specific, you know, like if we said, hey, we have X project. 00:30:04
We would like to run these hours that we be able to request that. 00:30:08
OK, Anything else you'd like to add right now? 00:30:13
The only other thing I'd say is, you know, as being a neighbor to several houses that are on this project, you know, I guess from 00:30:17
my perspective is that I would rather have our berms and our mining closer to the property lines. But I'd be more than willing 00:30:23
like around the houses, you know, if we wanted to hold it out farther to the 100 feet or something like that, you know that I have 00:30:29
no problem with that. It's just. 00:30:35
If like along like the road or the. 00:30:40
Adjacent farm field, if we have to stay in farther, that's more acres that are not going to be in. 00:30:44
Agriculture at that point. 00:30:48
So. 00:30:50
I guess you know, as a compromise, I guess my recommendation be like to have a wider. 00:30:52
Set back from the houses. 00:30:57
And if we could go closer to the adjacent field or? 00:30:58
To the roadway. 00:31:01
You know, for the. 00:31:02
The mining set back to be tighter. You'd make that concession around the. 00:31:03
Houses, you're saying yes. 00:31:07
Yeah. 00:31:09
And then the only other comment I would say is that one of the conditions was is that no topsoil shall leave the site. 00:31:14
But when we did. 00:31:20
Reclaim this. 00:31:23
This project, you know into back into a pond and and the higher uplands we will not need all the topsoil so. 00:31:24
There'll be some topsoil that's going to have to leave. 00:31:32
So at that point, I don't think that'd be a very good, you know, as long as if we had a condition in there saying there's. 00:31:35
Ample topsail to reclaim it or something along those lines. I guess that'd be my only comment there. 00:31:41
Catch. 00:31:48
OK. Anything else? 00:31:54
Right now. 00:31:56
No, I mean other than, you know, we're. 00:31:57
You'll get one more chance at the end to say something if you'd like to. 00:31:59
All right. Is there anybody present here tonight that would like to speak in favor of this variance request that is before us? 00:32:04
Anybody here would like to speak in favor of this request? 00:32:08
Anybody here that would like to come forward and speak in favor of? 00:32:13
This variance request before us. 00:32:16
Is there anybody here that would like to speak in opposition to this variance request that is before the committee? You can just 00:32:19
come up forward and stand by the microphone. That's up here. 00:32:24
State your name. 00:32:30
For the record, and. 00:32:32
You may speak. 00:32:34
Hi, can you hear me? Yes, Miley Kaczynski. I live on Spruce Rd. in the Township of Trenton. 00:32:40
I am here because the existing quarries have already made our Rd. unsafe, they are poisoning our water and they have shown that 00:32:47
they cannot be trusted to follow the rules and approving another one would be negligent on your part. 00:32:53
First of all, public safety has been ignored despite a Lord's speed limit and increase. 00:33:00
Troll cars. 00:33:06
Measures taken because of our complaining. 00:33:07
The speeding dump truck drivers use radios to invade enforcement and slow down for the police car warn one another with their 00:33:10
radios. 00:33:14
And then resume speeding and using loud Jake breaks the moment that the car leaves. 00:33:17
It's a coordinated disregard for the law and this took monthly meetings. 00:33:22
With an entire safety investigation to get them to lower the speed limit on our road and they are still not being followed. 00:33:27
2nd, the infrastructure damage is catastrophic and documented. 00:33:35
I have a packet for you of photos showing the culverts collapsing under the weight of these trucks and our Rd. being destroyed. 00:33:39
Their own agreement with the Township to rebuild part of our Rd. due to the weight of the trucks is an admission of their guilt 00:33:47
and not a solution. 00:33:51
The dust and the crab gravel all over our Rd. make it unsafe, particularly for motorcycle riders and the kids riding dirt bikes to 00:33:55
get to and from different parts of the farm fields that they're working on, and they do not get cleaned up regularly unless we 00:34:02
call and make a complaint. 3rd, and most gravely is the environmental threat. 00:34:08
The water pumped from these quarries through our property is not just eroding our land, it is contaminated. 00:34:15
Testing in the past has already revealed arsenic in our Creek water, linked to the explosive used in quarries. 00:34:21
Furthermore, we experienced severe erosion and violent water surging that correlate with water in pumping activity eroding our 00:34:28
Creek bed by over 5 feet in the last 10 years and washing out our bridge. 00:34:34
I would like to remind you that while you can issue permits, there is one DNR permit for the officer for the entire state of 00:34:41
Wisconsin. 00:34:45
So you have no one to make sure that these permits are going to be followed. 00:34:50
There is no oversight. 00:34:55
And finally, I must warn you of a major liability you are risking. 00:34:57
Just passed. This proposed site is the construction of a major data center. 00:35:01
They have already denied causing the damage that we are seeing and if you approve this quarry, you are inserting a new legally 00:35:05
responsible party into this mess. 00:35:09
When that data centers multi billion dollar project faces environmental scrutiny, as they all do, their legal team has every 00:35:13
reason to blame the newly permitted quarry and protect their investment. 00:35:18
The county could become entangled in a complex legal battle between powerful corporations. You are accepting liability for future 00:35:24
corporate legal battle and multiplying the source of toxic contaminant. 00:35:30
Let me be clear, we are talking about a known carcinogen, water. 00:35:36
The willful evasion of traffic laws and the risk of major litigation. 00:35:40
The DNR has been heavily invested in this investigation throughout the years and more significantly, this past year. 00:35:44
I've included my documentation, images and DNR contacting. 00:35:50
I've been making videos about this on my social media account and I have over 1,000,000 views on my videos and comments from 00:35:54
people in similar situations around the country. 00:35:58
Just since May this year. 00:36:02
One of the workers at the data site has told me they used to blast and hit water at 8 to 10 feet. They're now not hitting water 00:36:05
until 20 feet. 00:36:08
This water goes through a drainage easement from both of these places, the old quarries that are in place now in the new proposed 00:36:13
site, and they go through a 20 foot wide easement right through my front yard. 00:36:19
It is washing out the bridge that we have to drive our tractor over to get down to our horses. 00:36:25
They have also. 00:36:30
Warned all of us to get our water tested. 00:36:32
And because of my views on my videos. 00:36:34
Everybody around us knows what's going on and we are religiously testing our water and we are going to know if there's a change in 00:36:37
the quality of our water and we are asking that you help protect us. You have a duty to protect the health, the safety and the 00:36:43
welfare of your residents. The existing operations have failed. Do not compound this failure. 00:36:49
The evidence is undeniable and please do not approve another quarry and deny this permit. 00:36:56
Thank you. 00:37:08
My name is Rob Kaczynski. Can you hear me OK? 00:37:10
I live in the same location W 9230 Spruce Rd. 00:37:14
We've been working with the quarries for years. Some of the comments. 00:37:18
That was shown in the original proposal. 00:37:24
Have already started to be amended the. 00:37:27
Amending of ours. 00:37:30
On the truck traffic, things like that, we're already asking. 00:37:31
For that to be changed, it's the same thing that we've seen. 00:37:35
I think quarries by our house. 00:37:38
Is it started off? 00:37:40
With certain. 00:37:43
And then it warped overtime and it morphed. 00:37:44
Tonight's Weekends. 00:37:47
A certain proposals on where they're putting the mounds, things of that nature. 00:37:51
So we are asking you tonight, do not give approval. 00:37:55
For rezoning. 00:37:58
For the purpose of the quarry. 00:38:00
We believe that, Corey. 00:38:02
Would Endanger endanger the safety of the local community, which was part of the proposal that he read off? 00:38:04
We. 00:38:10
Believe that is going to be extremely detrimental to. 00:38:12
The area that it's in, the roads, the bridges. 00:38:17
Overtime, we're talking about 50 years, the amount of truck traffic. 00:38:21
We're up to, at certain times of the season, 1 truck going by per minute. 00:38:25
Every 60 seconds we have a truck going by. 00:38:31
That is causing incredible damage to the roads and the bridges. The bridge on our property has already had to be replaced once. 00:38:34
Due to the amount of traffic going by, so please look at not just today, but the future. 00:38:42
In the cost that it's going to be to us not just today but down the road. 00:38:49
Thank you. 00:38:53
Thank you. 00:38:55
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 00:38:56
OK, just state your name for the record please. 00:39:08
Yes. 00:39:11
My name is Robert Shank, Felt. 00:39:12
Living at N 9481 County Road A. 00:39:14
I'm speaking on behalf of myself. 00:39:20
And my sister. 00:39:22
Who lives at N? 00:39:24
9369. 00:39:26
County Road. 00:39:29
Where the property is less than 300 feet from the proposed might some. 00:39:31
Proposed mine site. 00:39:36
We have experienced. 00:39:39
Living with quarries around our neighborhood. 00:39:41
Since we've been children. 00:39:45
And has the chords that be expanded. 00:39:47
They keep getting louder. 00:39:49
They no longer. 00:39:52
Pay attention to the hours. 00:39:53
They expand their blasting. 00:39:55
We have a house. 00:39:58
That's also on the bedrock. 00:40:00
And because of that. 00:40:02
Walls are cracked. 00:40:04
The. 00:40:06
Plaster has fallen from some of the ceiling. 00:40:08
The districts rattled in the House. 00:40:11
And they think nothing of it. You can tell them what you want. 00:40:15
But they have no. 00:40:18
Condition. 00:40:19
To change. 00:40:20
OK. 00:40:23
Since the proposal is to. 00:40:28
Change some A1. 00:40:31
Land and taken out of agricultural production. 00:40:33
You people. 00:40:38
I myself. 00:40:40
And everyone of these people in this room will never see the day when they need to land. 00:40:41
But there is going to be a day. 00:40:46
Correctly, even from the next generation or three generations down the road. 00:40:49
They still have to eat. 00:40:54
OK. 00:41:00
There are two sinkholes. 00:41:01
Just down the road. 00:41:04
From wherever. 00:41:06
It's on the same bedrock. 00:41:07
That these sites. 00:41:09
Or if This site is proposing. 00:41:11
To open up. 00:41:13
Once blasting starts. 00:41:16
The drainage from these holes. 00:41:19
Will expand because the cracks get wider. 00:41:21
And eventually. 00:41:25
All this water. 00:41:26
Does get down? 00:41:27
To Beaver Dam Lake. 00:41:28
I have friends that still like to fish. 00:41:31
And that's their prerogative. 00:41:34
Now it's been mentioned that there are 200 and. 00:41:40
23 acres. 00:41:43
On this farm. 00:41:46
That will drain completely. 00:41:48
From the east. 00:41:51
To the West. 00:41:52
I have lived there. 00:41:54
For all these years. 00:41:56
And the water does come. 00:41:58
From the east. 00:42:00
To the West. 00:42:01
As it gets down closer to a. 00:42:03
It starts to flood. 00:42:06
The drainage. 00:42:08
Ditch that is there. 00:42:09
All has to go through the. 00:42:12
Culvert under a. 00:42:14
And out into the field. 00:42:17
There was extra water being of. 00:42:20
Spread out over there. 00:42:24
Once the pond. 00:42:27
Proposed on the West side. 00:42:29
Is filled. 00:42:31
What happens if it rains? 00:42:33
Two to three inches. 00:42:35
We have seen as much as 8 to 10 inches in 2008, but that's a rarity. 00:42:37
But we have received many. 00:42:43
Two to three inches. 00:42:44
Over a one or two day period. 00:42:46
And where does this water go? 00:42:48
And means it has to go down. 00:42:50
Drains through the ponds. 00:42:52
Bring more silt. 00:42:55
And contamination and then drain out over into the. 00:42:57
East West side of the highway A. 00:43:03
Onto that bedrock. 00:43:05
OK, the layer of the bread rock. 00:43:14
Covers the area where the. 00:43:17
Corey is proposed. 00:43:20
Blasting will occur to reach the 25 to 50 foot level. 00:43:22
And. 00:43:27
To obtain the rock for the cement plant. 00:43:28
Blacktop plant. 00:43:31
And for general use. 00:43:33
All buildings. 00:43:35
On Laurie's property. 00:43:37
Are set on the bed. 00:43:39
Rock Now the barns are no longer. 00:43:41
That granary is no longer there. 00:43:45
Because we have retired from farming. 00:43:47
But the house still stands. 00:43:50
The Shed. 00:43:52
Machine shed there. 00:43:54
On the. 00:43:56
Northside. 00:43:58
The bed, the. 00:43:59
Post for the Shed. 00:44:01
Can only go in. 00:44:02
2 feet. 00:44:04
Without blasting. 00:44:05
It does get a little bit deeper down towards the other end. 00:44:07
But we're still into 4 foot levels. 00:44:12
OK. 00:44:21
Now, uh. 00:44:24
You have about 30 seconds, yet 30 seconds. 00:44:25
I mentioned once about the vibration cracks on the wall sole crystal. Far so. 00:44:28
Sophie, what happens now if the well does? 00:44:33
Board gets contaminated and goes dry. 00:44:37
We see no compensation. 00:44:39
That, uh. 00:44:42
The county is receiving. 00:44:42
But we're receiving no compensation. 00:44:44
For the oil which in the. 00:44:46
Cost any sense of $20,000. 00:44:50
Can you close it up now please? 00:45:01
We still have a problem with dust control. 00:45:04
We have yet to. 00:45:07
Find anyone of the pits area that do control their dust. 00:45:09
So on, so forth. 00:45:14
OK, fine. 00:45:18
All right. Thank you very much. 00:45:19
Thank you. 00:45:22
Hello, my name is Kirk Warmka. 00:45:29
I'm not a public speaker, so this is kind of shaky to me. 00:45:31
But I live just down the hill from Bob, so all that water that these guys have no idea what they're dealing with. 00:45:34
Goes on to me. 00:45:40
And I have not. 00:45:42
Got any card from you guys saying that this meeting was happening? I found out about it today at 2:30 I got a phone call. 00:45:43
Then I got 3 phone calls. 00:45:49
I want you guys to look at all them houses around there and. 00:45:51
Remember, that was a beautiful farm. 00:45:55
And now they're going to lookout there and see these. 00:45:57
Big piles of dirt. 00:45:59
Every day. 00:46:00
Think you should make a big pile of dirt around your house to see how you like it? 00:46:02
I just don't think you guys have any idea. 00:46:06
What happens to all that water? 00:46:09
You think you can make these ponds? 00:46:11
And it's going to hold them. It doesn't. 00:46:13
You get these big storms like Bob just said. 00:46:15
It's ridiculous what happens downstream. 00:46:18
To the lady. 00:46:21
On spruce so. 00:46:22
I just don't know how. I think there's plenty of quarries around. 00:46:25
To get the rock out of there's, I think it's all about the almighty dollar. 00:46:29
And it needs to stop. 00:46:33
We need to not let this happen. 00:46:34
Is there anybody else that would like to speak in opposition? 00:46:40
Please come forward. 00:46:44
I would like to. 00:46:47
Comment that this is a public hearing. 00:46:48
And when people get done speaking, there is no applause, please. 00:46:51
Hello, my name is Colt Kaczynski. I lived at W 9230 Spruce Rd. 00:46:57
I also. 00:47:04
Sorry, I'm real tall. 00:47:09
Is this better? 00:47:13
Yes, that's better. 00:47:14
So like I sang, I live at the same household. 00:47:16
And I'd like to talk about how all those dump truck just comes being by. 00:47:20
They killed my dog. 00:47:25
Completely ignored speed limits. 00:47:27
Ignored warnings of. 00:47:30
That there's a hill completely ignored it and just blew right through. 00:47:33
And ran them over. 00:47:36
Honestly, it scared me. 00:47:40
I never wanted to leave my driveway. 00:47:42
I would be next. 00:47:45
And then? 00:47:47
Another big thing is I'm a very active motorcycle rider. I take all the precautions I can. I wear. 00:47:48
Protective gear. 00:47:54
I wear gloves, pads, helmets. 00:47:56
But there's nothing that prepares you for just a pile of gravel on the road. 00:48:00
You can lose control very quickly. I've seen it happen. 00:48:04
I do it for work. I work for a crop care company, Phillips Crop Care. 00:48:08
We ride motorcycles and we. 00:48:13
Have very safe training. 00:48:15
But. 00:48:18
There's just nothing, especially if it's raining. 00:48:19
It will get all over the road and there's just no. 00:48:22
Nothing there. They'll take care of it. 00:48:25
It'll disappear one day. 00:48:29
We make a point. 00:48:31
Next. 00:48:32
Same piles there again. 00:48:33
And the trucks just coming around of a blind corner. 00:48:36
You you can't prepare for it. 00:48:40
You'll be coming out and then suddenly. 00:48:42
There's things coming 60 miles an hour and it's not stopping. 00:48:45
That thing will flatten a car immediately. I've seen it happen. 00:48:49
And I don't believe this. 00:48:53
I wouldn't want. 00:48:56
Anyone here to go through what? 00:48:57
What some people have, and I'm guessing you guys won't either. 00:48:59
So I just hope you think of. 00:49:03
Like, well, what we have to deal with. 00:49:05
And I appreciate you taking the time to hear us out. 00:49:07
Thank you. 00:49:10
Can I get your name? Sorry. 00:49:11
Yes, Colt Kosinski. 00:49:13
CLT. 00:49:15
Kos. 00:49:16
And SK I. 00:49:18
All right. Thank you. 00:49:21
Thank you, Sir. Is there anybody else that like to come forward speak in opposition to this variance request? 00:49:22
Just tip the mic down. I think you'll be fine, Harry. Well. 00:49:33
Are you saying I'm short? 00:49:38
My name is Kim Martell. 00:49:41
I live on Redwood Road, which is just to the north of where we speak. I'm on the corner there of Redwood and Jersey. 00:49:43
I believe there over 30 years. 00:49:51
I'm familiar with the the other quarries in the area if you haven't been around when the blast happens. 00:49:53
It scares the living daylights out of you. 00:49:59
So I'm not in favor of additional blasting. 00:50:02
I need to remind everyone that that is prime agriculture land and we do need to protect our agriculture land. 00:50:06
That is what Dodge County is about. 00:50:13
That is what Wisconsin is about. We need to protect our egg land. 00:50:15
I am an I. 00:50:21
Regularly the exercise. I walk Jersey Rd. every day. 00:50:23
Summertime I I'm biking Jersey Road and Breezy Point. 00:50:27
And with the additional traffic. 00:50:32
It's not going to be safe for me. 00:50:35
For my children or my husband or anyone else that I decide to. 00:50:37
Drag along with me. 00:50:41
So I, I'm, I'm a little bit selfish in that way, but I'm trying to protect myself. This is my neighborhood. 00:50:43
I am literally just a half a mile away. 00:50:50
I have to drive by. 00:50:53
Of the data center and take WNW for dam every day. I work in Beaver Dam. 00:50:55
The roads are are destroyed from all of the dump trucks and all of the activity that is happening. 00:51:02
I don't know if someone's going to start covering our. 00:51:09
Alignments because it's is absolutely terrible. 00:51:12
So again, I'm being selfish but. 00:51:15
I'm asking you not to. 00:51:18
Not to. 00:51:20
Approve the request. 00:51:22
I am. 00:51:25
A little bit more distance away from the. 00:51:26
The other quarries, but let me tell you, the dust is a is a big factor. I was out walking tonight. 00:51:29
4:00-ish hour. 00:51:37
And the horizon, you could see the dust. 00:51:39
Looking towards. 00:51:42
That corner. 00:51:44
Of from from Redwood down to that corner, it's just. 00:51:46
A haze of dust. 00:51:51
I I want to be able to enjoy being outdoors. I again. I've lived here for over 30 years. 00:51:54
This is my neighborhood and I'm I'm being selfish but I need to protect it. 00:52:01
For my, for myself, for my children. 00:52:05
For my husband. 00:52:07
I want to enjoy living where I'm at. 00:52:09
Thank you. OK, Thank you. 00:52:11
Is there anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? 00:52:14
Is there anybody else present? 00:52:19
They would like to come forward, speak in opposition. 00:52:21
Hi, everybody. 00:52:37
My name is Kim Kennedy. 00:52:38
And I live at W 8500 Breezy Point Rd. 00:52:40
Which is like that little door where you see right next to where they're going to build this. 00:52:44
I worked as a nurse for 20 years. 00:52:52
As a single parent. 00:52:55
Bought myself this property. 00:52:57
And. 00:53:00
I have problems on both sides. No, I don't want to talk about the electrical lines because that's going to be an easement they 00:53:02
want for the other side of my property. 00:53:06
But this side. 00:53:11
I mean. 00:53:13
Like everybody has been saying, the roads are horrible, the dust is horrible as a nurse. 00:53:14
I know what that does to your health. 00:53:20
As far as the water. 00:53:24
I don't know what's going to happen with the well. 00:53:26
There's so many. 00:53:29
Just so many things that it's just so frustrating them, so stressed out. 00:53:32
And I could cry, but. 00:53:36
I'm not going to. 00:53:39
So please do not let this go through. 00:53:41
Thank you. 00:53:45
All right. Thank you. Kim. Is there anybody else like to come forward and speak? 00:53:47
In opposition to this request. 00:53:50
Hi, I'm Mike Zimmerman. 00:53:59
I really ain't opposed of it. I'm opposed of. 00:54:01
We're going to do with all this water that that comes out of this. 00:54:04
On Eve, like Bob and Laurie and all the rest were talking. 00:54:08
There's a lot of nobody even realized how much water comes over there because I own the field. I bought Bob's farm. 00:54:13
How much water sits on that field? 00:54:18
Where it can't get away. 00:54:20
We'd have to go underground. 00:54:24
Put some culverts in. 00:54:26
To get rid of all that water. Otherwise it's all going to stay here at the surface. I already lose like 1213 acres every year 00:54:28
because of the water problem. Especially when you get 7-8 inches of rain. 00:54:32
So. 00:54:37
Would really like to get that fixed. 00:54:39
One way or the other, that would be my. That's my own problem I got. 00:54:41
And I own the buildings there. That's another thing I would like to. 00:54:45
Maybe have them X-rated or something. 00:54:49
Make sure that they don't. We don't gain anymore cracks in the house. 00:54:52
I talked to Mike about it already. He kind of knows. 00:54:56
But that's my. That's my only other thing I got wrong. 00:54:59
So, OK, thanks. Thank you. 00:55:03
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? Anybody else that come forward speaking? 00:55:05
Opposition. 00:55:12
I would say. 00:55:22
I'm not voiced in opposition or. 00:55:23
For against, my name's Dave Mellon with Michaels, a lot of discussion about the existing operations. I'll address those shortly, 00:55:25
but. 00:55:29
We have, like I said, I don't oppose, we don't favor this. We understand that's coming. I just want to point out some of the 00:55:33
things that we've done and a lot of our locations is some. 00:55:38
Pre testing, pre blast surveys to get some that baseline information that's. 00:55:43
Needed. 00:55:48
To be able to address the concerns that people have so you know. 00:55:48
One of the things that we commonly do is do pre plow surveys and water testing to help give you that baseline to be able to 00:55:53
address concerns when they come now. 00:55:57
Just on the operation side, I'll talk about and again I think traffic is important. You know, this data center has changed a lot 00:56:01
of things here and we actually have encouraged. 00:56:06
The law enforcement to be out there, truck drivers do need to be managed if they and so once they leave our property, absolutely 00:56:11
they should be. 00:56:16
Held accountable for poor driving. 00:56:20
The the the construction as a whole, there is dust. We do maintain many permits. We've addressed a lot of the concerns. We've 00:56:23
talked to the DNR many, many times about this. 00:56:27
You know, in the last six months, making sure we're addressing our. 00:56:32
Making sure we're compliant and we're doing the best we can within compliant and. 00:56:36
Addressing the concerns that are there, but they are there because it's a big construction project and. 00:56:41
We understand it's not ideal if you live in that area, but like I said, it's a local resource it. 00:56:47
Being close is important, so again, not opposed, not in favor I think. 00:56:53
Baseline information is critical because then when you can have concerns, you can address them because you have a baseline to go 00:56:59
on. And again, this data center has changed. 00:57:03
This area significantly and you know. 00:57:08
Everybody gets thrown in on the in that one, so. 00:57:11
Thank you. 00:57:14
Anybody else that would like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? Anybody would like to come forward and speak 00:57:17
in opposition to this request? 00:57:21
Is there anybody else that would like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 00:57:25
I just want to make. 00:57:34
Point. Could you state your name? 00:57:35
Or Ashley Newman. 00:57:37
Actually as a. 00:57:38
Younger generation, I just want to. 00:57:41
See how important it is to. 00:57:44
Protect that land. We mentioned farming, we mentioned all the. 00:57:46
Harmful things that can happen to it, but. 00:57:49
Think of. 00:57:51
Future generations, there's only. 00:57:52
There's only so much land. 00:57:55
And. 00:57:56
You know, in five years, when I'm ready to have kids, I want my. 00:57:57
It's to be able to go to their grandparents and. 00:58:00
Be able to play outside and. 00:58:03
Half the time. OK, Thank you. 00:58:05
Anybody else like come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 00:58:09
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? 00:58:13
Is there anybody else present that would like to come forward speak? 00:58:17
In opposition. 00:58:20
Is there any written correspondence that has come forward? 00:58:24
I've got. 00:58:38
From Dan Byrd. 00:58:40
Dan Byrd I am very concerned about the. 00:58:45
Proposed quarry adversely affecting my farmland in section 10. 00:58:47
Any water discharge or pumping South? 00:58:52
Into the Fish and Wildlife owned land eventually will end up on mine. 00:58:54
When the Michaels quarry to the West blasts at certain layers. 00:59:00
Or depths in their pit. It can cause water to come up. 00:59:05
And or sinkholes of various size to form on my farm. 00:59:10
Assuming the proposed quarry will only. 00:59:15
Make the problem worse. 00:59:18
It is. Is Cartesian errs going to be responsible? 00:59:20
Town of Trenton has lost too much farmland. 00:59:24
This past year and has enough. 00:59:27
Existing quarry capacity for many years. 00:59:30
This project should be. 00:59:33
Should not be approved. 00:59:35
Danburn. 00:59:36
That's it. 00:59:40
All right. Does the committee have any questions? 00:59:42
Yes, I would like to. Are you? 00:59:45
Trying to purchase this land or do you are you just trying to use the mineral rights? 00:59:49
For renting. 00:59:54
We're gonna buy this. 00:59:56
You're just gonna mind? No, they're gonna buy it. You're buying? Yeah. We're. We're buying this. Yeah. 00:59:57
And the land that you said you're not going to be using? 01:00:03
Is it going to be rented out to be farmed? 01:00:07
Yes. 01:00:11
OK. And have you? 01:00:12
Thought about or are you planning on doing any of the? 01:00:16
Testing of. 01:00:22
People's wells or. 01:00:23
Like they have suggested. 01:00:26
The pre blast surveys. 01:00:29
The pre blast. 01:00:33
Surveys of nearby properties is. 01:00:35
As Dave had recommended, is something that they would do. 01:00:38
OK. And then I would just like to make a comment. I can understand all of you. I live at N 8488 Pine Rd. 01:00:41
I'm very near the data center. 01:00:49
I walk. 01:00:52
Pine Rd. 01:00:55
Up to Spruce Rd. 01:00:56
Down to W. 01:00:58
Hemlock. 01:01:00
I see a lot of dump trucks. 01:01:02
But I have to say they are very courteous when I am walking. 01:01:04
There is a lot of dust. 01:01:08
Especially when I go past two gravel pits. 01:01:10
Every day when I walk in the summer. 01:01:15
So I know there is a lot of dust. 01:01:17
Um. 01:01:20
So I understand your concerns. 01:01:23
But. 01:01:28
In my. 01:01:30
Findings. 01:01:32
And there are some trucks that do go. 01:01:34
Very fast and I can tell you the names of them, but I'm not going to. 01:01:38
But the the truck drivers on a whole are very courteous if I meet 2. 01:01:44
One going one way. 01:01:49
One always pulls over and stops. 01:01:51
So I can the other one can go through while I'm walking so I'm not getting. 01:01:54
And if you'd like to come out and walk? 01:02:00
When I'm walking you can see that they do do that. 01:02:02
Thank you. 01:02:06
That's all I have for question. Any other questions from committee members? 01:02:07
Right now. 01:02:15
Now as I listened, there was. 01:02:18
Talk about disregard of laws. 01:02:20
The law enforcement has to just get on that. We can't do anything about that. 01:02:24
What we have to deal with here is what has been called substantial evidence. 01:02:29
And, umm. 01:02:34
The the wall that we are against is state law. 01:02:36
Allows this. 01:02:40
State law says yes, this is something. 01:02:42
And if you want to stop it, you have to have substantial evidence. 01:02:45
In other words. 01:02:49
Proof. 01:02:50
Not just feelings, but proof. And we've run into this before where? 01:02:51
We maybe know something isn't right, but. 01:02:55
We have to have proof. 01:02:58
That this. 01:03:01
And why it isn't right. And that is very difficult. Back in 2017, I believe the state legislature changed the law. 01:03:02
To make it harder for us folks to fight businesses. 01:03:10
That's basically what they've told me. 01:03:14
Farmland preservation plan. 01:03:19
Also allows this on. 01:03:21
A1 land allows this. 01:03:24
Type of. 01:03:26
Conditional use, and we're up against that wall. 01:03:27
If we're going to say no to that. 01:03:31
We have to have substantial evidence, legal proof. 01:03:33
Studies. 01:03:37
That show that what is happening. 01:03:38
Isn't good and is wrong. 01:03:41
And on top of it all, it says that if. 01:03:43
All these conditions are placed on. 01:03:46
The business. 01:03:49
If the business agrees to comply with all the conditions placed upon. 01:03:51
Testing water. Water runoff. 01:03:56
Culverts. The whole 9 yards roads. 01:03:58
We have no authority. Stop it. 01:04:01
Now, I'm not saying I agree with that. 01:04:03
But I'm saying that's what we're up against. 01:04:05
And. 01:04:07
I would love to see everybody here call their state legislators and do something about this because that's where the problem is 01:04:09
starting. 01:04:12
They talked about what else are we here tonight? 01:04:18
Testing. Water Testing. 01:04:21
We've heard that. 01:04:23
And anybody here can chime in if you have any comments on what I'm talking about? 01:04:25
But I've I've looked at the application. 01:04:29
And we've heard tonight that. 01:04:33
Most of the land is going to stay in egg the way it is now. There's not going to be any water runoff any differently than it is 01:04:34
running now. And. 01:04:38
The water from the quarry is going to run into the pond. 01:04:43
And when that's getting a little full, that's going to be. 01:04:46
Tested. All the sediments are going to settle out. That's going to be tested. 01:04:49
And pumped wherever the DNR wants it pumped. 01:04:53
That's what we're fighting here is. 01:04:56
DNR and state law DNR. 01:04:59
And county has. 01:05:02
Conditional uses for things too. 01:05:05
And see everything that came forward tonight. 01:05:08
Is very legitimate in my eyes. 01:05:10
Yet it's not what the state considers substantial evidence, and that's where. 01:05:14
It falls through cracks. 01:05:20
I wish it was different. Believe me, I wish it was different. 01:05:21
What else was talked about here? 01:05:25
Egg landed, egg land will drain naturally. 01:05:30
They're not going to be changes there. 01:05:33
Water diverted dust control. They have agreed that they will sweep. 01:05:35
They will. 01:05:41
Clean roads, they will water the roads. There will be no dust. 01:05:42
Enforcement. 01:05:47
Maybe that's something that has to be talked about with the department here. 01:05:49
To have someone go and see if it's all being complied with. 01:05:53
But they have agreed to do these things and when they agree to do these things. 01:05:57
The state law says. 01:06:03
You have no. 01:06:06
Basis. 01:06:08
And that's what we are up against here at the committee Level 2. 01:06:10
One question, Sir. 01:06:14
No, no, not anymore, Sir. 01:06:17
Let's see. 01:06:20
That are that those are the notes that I had from what I heard in public comment is any of the committee members have anything 01:06:21
else they'd like to. 01:06:25
Add to this. 01:06:29
Conversate for me. 01:06:31
Now. 01:06:33
Is there anything else you'd like to add before we? 01:06:36
Close the hearing. 01:06:39
I think we're good. 01:06:43
We're good. 01:06:45
At this point, we will close the public hearing. 01:06:47
And. 01:06:52
We now will move on to conclusions of law. 01:06:54
Based on the facts presented in the application and at the public hearing, the committee concludes that. 01:06:58
236-F2 Is the project compatible with adjacent uses in terms of scale, site design and operating characteristics? 01:07:04
And here's where I went and I looked. 01:07:14
At the adjacent. 01:07:17
Uses the communities. 01:07:18
And be quite honest with you, I thought, hey, why is there a big? 01:07:20
Quarry going in on A1 land. I'm not. 01:07:24
All for that, but then I get to the picture on Google. 01:07:27
And I see two other quarries here. And I see a Dodge County. 01:07:31
Shop there and across from the road from the Dodge County shop, there's this big something that's not egg land and they say. 01:07:35
I have no argument to say that this does not. 01:07:42
Well, how do you say that again on that rule of law? Say that again. 01:07:45
Is project compatible with adjacent uses in terms of scale, site design and operating characteristics? 01:07:49
It's compatible, it agrees with what's around and I. 01:07:55
I would say it's yes. I don't know what you all think. 01:07:59
Yep, because that's there already. We can't fight that. 01:08:02
236 F 3. Will the proposed use be significantly detrimental to the public health, safety and welfare? 01:08:08
Because of the conditions they're willing to meet and they. 01:08:18
An extent they're going to go to protect. 01:08:22
Certain things. 01:08:24
I have to say what? 01:08:26
No, no, no. 01:08:28
Would say no. 01:08:29
236-F4. 01:08:32
Will the project cause of substantial decrease in the value of other property in the neighborhood in which it is to be located? 01:08:34
Because of the other quarries there already. 01:08:44
It probably won't. There is no study. See, we would have needed studies to show that that would happen and that's really tough to 01:08:48
do. 01:08:51
So, uh. 01:08:55
We have to were forced to say no for that. 01:08:56
236-F5. 01:09:01
Our public safety, transportation and utility facilities and services available to serve the subject property while maintaining 01:09:04
sufficient levels of service. 01:09:09
For existing development. 01:09:14
There we would have to say yes. 01:09:17
236-F6. 01:09:21
Are there adequate assurances of continuing maintenance for the project that there is? 01:09:23
236-F7 Will there be any significant adverse impacts on the natural environment that require mitigation? 01:09:31
And that word, significant, is a Corker. 01:09:41
And that's where proof has to come in again. And there was absolutely. 01:09:44
No substantial evidence as proof presented. 01:09:48
To say that is. 01:09:52
Something so that would be. 01:09:53
No, no. 01:09:55
236 F 8 is the project located in any hazard areas, floodplains, floodways, steep slopes, etc. 01:09:57
It is not. 01:10:06
236-F1 Does the proposed project comply with all applicable? 01:10:08
Provisions of this cloak. 01:10:14
Code, and we've seen that it does. 01:10:15
Are any conditions for approval needed in this case to mitigate any put to? 01:10:21
Potential adverse impacts on the adjacent properties, the environment or the community. 01:10:26
Yes, we had. 01:10:32
How many was it? 1919 conditions read in. 01:10:34
Did you want to discuss some of these conditions? 01:10:38
Can I can I add yes please so. 01:10:42
So those 19 conditions are. 01:10:44
Random, not. I don't want to say random, but they are conditions that have been. 01:10:47
Utilized in the past, they are not. 01:10:52
Specifically. 01:10:54
Utilized to address just. 01:10:56
This. 01:10:58
Project. 01:10:59
So. 01:11:00
As staff, we would ask that you. 01:11:01
Go down the list. 01:11:03
You accept. 01:11:05
Not. 01:11:07
If you need to. 01:11:09
Curtail some of the details to address the specifics. 01:11:10
Of just this site. 01:11:15
We would. 01:11:16
No, so we'd have a better. 01:11:17
Personal. 01:11:19
Set of conditions. 01:11:22
Specifically to this. 01:11:23
Proposal. 01:11:26
Right off the bat. 01:11:29
The set back one? What's that? The set back one? Minimum set back? 01:11:35
Yes. 01:11:42
Mr. Land Use Administrator, what is about that set back issue? 01:11:44
That question. 01:11:48
So. 01:11:49
So if there's code provisions to that, set back issue. 01:11:50
I don't. 01:11:55
Believe there are. 01:11:56
In our. 01:11:58
In our code specifically because the active mining is a conditional use permit, so those conditions can be addressed. 01:12:02
Site specific, similar to what when he says he's willing to go farther from. 01:12:09
A home. 01:12:14
We do not have you know a site must have this set of criteria to it. 01:12:17
So. 01:12:22
So the 100 feet then? 01:12:24
Is just a standard set back from property line. 01:12:26
That's one that had been used in the past. 01:12:29
For other facilities, OK. 01:12:32
So there's no reason. 01:12:36
Legally that it has to be from a berm 100 feet it's just from the property line makes more sense. 01:12:38
Correct. 01:12:43
And that's why. 01:12:44
If you go through each one and you say I want that one, that one, and you just discuss it amongst yourselves. And then if you get 01:12:45
to 1 where you think you. 01:12:48
Nail that down or expand upon it, then you can just. 01:12:54
Scribble in what you want. 01:12:57
Changed right and market is at. 01:12:59
Mark a check mark on it and we will include that then in. 01:13:02
As a condition. 01:13:05
As you state. 01:13:07
On your approval. 01:13:10
So what was #1 about? 01:13:12
You have that. 01:13:15
One was the hours. 01:13:17
If they, well, if you just go through, yeah, there was #1. 01:13:19
If you have that there. 01:13:22
The business operation shall be conducted in a matter. 01:13:23
That does not create a risk of fire explosion. 01:13:27
Or other accident and shall not be detrimental to the public health, safety or general welfare. 01:13:31
Of the surrounding neighborhood or community. 01:13:38
And I wrote that I thought that was. 01:13:42
Reasonable. 01:13:44
#2. 01:13:46
Any substantial or material deviation from the operations plan on file. 01:13:47
With the department may require. 01:13:53
Review and approval of a new or amended conditional use permit. 01:13:55
That seems logical. 01:14:01
#3 all erosion control and stormwater management measure. 01:14:02
Required. 01:14:07
By applicable federal, state, county and local regulations shall be installed prior to land disturbing activities and shall be 01:14:08
maintained. 01:14:13
Throughout the duration of the mining operation in accordance with. 01:14:19
Accepted best management practices. 01:14:24
And that's something that was presented in their plan and it. 01:14:27
Should be in place before that makes sense. 01:14:30
#4 the applicant shall. 01:14:32
Implement and maintain appropriate dust control measures throughout the mining operation to minimize dust generated from the site. 01:14:35
And they said they would, and this would. 01:14:45
Put some teeth in that to make sure it happens. 01:14:48
#5 A minimum set back of 100 feet shall be maintained from all berms. 01:14:50
To any surrounding property lane. 01:14:56
That's where I believe we should change. 01:14:58
We could. 01:15:01
As has been suggested here. 01:15:03
By the applicant, they will stay further away around. 01:15:05
Residential areas. 01:15:09
But they can come closer to the berm as you have said that. Be OK with you. 01:15:11
Yeah, I guess what my recommendation is that, you know, I'm, I'm fine if we'd stay 100 feet away from the residential property 01:15:15
lines. 01:15:19
But then like on the the road line, I'd like to. 01:15:24
Put the berm. 01:15:27
Starting at the. 01:15:27
You know the right away. 01:15:29
You know, the same as like the just the Jason field lines. 01:15:30
OK, because you're you're mining then would be in 50 feet? 01:15:33
Which is pretty standard. 01:15:37
What would be the best way to state this? 01:15:39
Do you think? 01:15:42
Or or if you specified it and said that there'd be. 01:15:47
100 foot. 01:15:51
Offset from the house from the residential property lines and no or no offset on the. 01:15:53
You know, so the berms are always going to be. 01:15:58
Close to the boundary line, you're saying? Yeah, I guess what the? 01:16:01
My goal would be is that you we would put the berms. 01:16:05
Tight to the. 01:16:08
Property lines where the houses are not and where the like along the house. 01:16:10
Housing. 01:16:14
Areas then we'd stay in will maintain a distance away from the berm. Otherwise you will go closer to the berm. You're saying 01:16:15
right. Otherwise we would start the berm at the property line. What would be a distance from the berm around the houses that you 01:16:19
would be willing to? 01:16:23
For an idea. 01:16:29
I mean, we could go, I guess. 01:16:30
We could go in 100 feet. 01:16:32
Like around the house, but you know, just bear in mind and then that's going to become, you know, it's not going to be in 01:16:34
agriculture when that. 01:16:37
Happens. 01:16:41
You know, so if we want to keep more land in agriculture. 01:16:42
You know, that's part of the. 01:16:45
The compromise of. 01:16:47
Putting that condition in. 01:16:48
Or if we just put us. 01:16:49
Something. 01:16:51
In verbage wise like around the the residential houses that you know the mining would stay in 100 or you know no mining within 100 01:16:54
feet. 01:16:57
You know our. 01:17:02
So is there a? 01:17:04
Is that 100 foot mark? 01:17:06
Something that is in law in the code as something that has to. 01:17:08
Nothing whatsoever. OK, so. 01:17:13
My Janet, if I if I may, yes, please do. 01:17:15
Having some. 01:17:20
Some level. 01:17:21
Between the road right of way. 01:17:22
Property line. 01:17:24
Having some. 01:17:25
Form or level? 01:17:27
Area that goes around in case there's a requirement for emergency vehicles to at least. 01:17:29
Get around that facility. 01:17:35
Because we don't know. 01:17:37
The way this split is and where some of the activities may be taking place as long as there is still access where emergency 01:17:39
vehicle has to get. 01:17:43
In there if. 01:17:47
If it's ditch and goes straight to a berm. 01:17:49
Now we don't. 01:17:52
You know, we had nobody set any requirements for slope on berms. 01:17:54
But if those slopes are. 01:17:58
To a point where it's hard to get, say, an emergency vehicle at least. 01:18:00
Into those areas. 01:18:04
This something to possibly think about. 01:18:07
So the berm is going to be set. 01:18:12
The right away is at what, 33 feet? 01:18:15
From roads 33 feet from centerline. Typically this this is a little there are some. 01:18:18
Minor oddities to that, there's some variation to that, but. 01:18:24
So then you're saying your burn would start at like 35 feet? That's what you're saying? 01:18:28
Yeah, the toll of the burn would start and. 01:18:33
You know, So what if we take? 01:18:35
Cross off the. 01:18:37
Word minimum and put a set back of 35 to 100 feet. 01:18:38
I mean, if you look at how? 01:18:48
The the neighbors are mining their berms start. 01:18:50
Basically at the edge of the road right away. 01:18:55
You know. 01:18:57
Or if you wanted a 10 foot. 01:18:58
Offset, you know. 01:19:00
So what was your suggestion? 01:19:04
Cross out the word minimum. 01:19:05
And just put a set back of 35 to 100 feet shall be maintained. 01:19:09
From all berms to any surrounding property lane. 01:19:13
35 feet from the berm. 01:19:18
Or would you be thinking closer to that at the roads? 01:19:21
I would like to go closer because. 01:19:25
So what would you suggest? 01:19:27
For that, I mean if you want enough, if a safety vehicle was an issue, I mean we could go 10 foot then start the toe of the room 01:19:29
10 foot in. 01:19:33
Pretty tight for a vehicle that's from that's from the. 01:19:39
From the edge of the road at Center Rd. 01:19:43
No, no, this is from the road right away. 01:19:45
We're we're in the this is from the berm. 01:19:48
To the working area, right? 01:19:50
The Town Rd. is a 10 foot lane. 01:19:53
OK. 01:19:56
Someone you could say 10 foot 2. 01:19:58
Instead of 25 to 10 is there? 01:20:04
You know, there has to be an element of trust here too. I mean, it's hard to get everything down just the way it is, so. 01:20:07
And what would you what would you be willing to do by the? 01:20:17
Residences. How much from the berm? 01:20:21
Can we do 50? Do you want 100? I mean I I'm. 01:20:26
100. 01:20:32
From the berm around the houses. 01:20:33
Get so complicated. 01:20:37
How about a minimum set back of 100 feet shall be maintained from? 01:20:45
Adjacent residents. 01:20:51
Properties. 01:20:54
And. 01:20:55
15 feet. 01:20:56
From. 01:20:57
Roadway Property Rd. 01:21:00
From the roads. 01:21:02
That will give. 01:21:06
Room for. 01:21:08
Emergency vehicles if they need to get through there. 01:21:09
Got that? 01:21:13
It's the only comment. I mean in the can we go to the 15 feet as well on the the farmed boundaries? 01:21:15
50 feet 15 on the on the similar to the roads. 01:21:21
So we could say. 01:21:26
Well, then we just leave it. 01:21:27
15 feet maintained from all berms. 01:21:29
To any surrounding property lines because. 01:21:32
If it's the road. 01:21:35
Or right but it's. 01:21:37
It's more at the residences. 01:21:40
No, he just said 15. 01:21:42
I just said I meant by the. 01:21:44
On the agricultural. 01:21:46
Boundaries. Umm. 01:21:49
You know, I'm fine staying in 100 feet around those. So it's 15 feet from. 01:21:50
All. 01:21:54
Boundaries and 100 feet. 01:21:55
By residences. 01:21:59
That's the set back that will be maintained. 01:22:02
Got it. 01:22:04
100 feet from. 01:22:05
OK, adjacent to residences? 01:22:07
And 15 feet elsewhere. 01:22:10
That makes sense. 01:22:13
Yeah. So that'll keep it distance from the houses. 01:22:15
And then bring it up everywhere else for. 01:22:21
More business activities. 01:22:26
OK, Committee. OK with that. 01:22:33
Yeah. 01:22:35
Number six. The applicant shall be responsible for reimbursing the town and county for any repairs or reconstruction required to 01:22:36
Public Hall. 01:22:41
Roads used in connection with the non metallic mining operation prior to issuance of the. 01:22:47
Conditional use permit. The applicant shall provide documentation demonstrating adequate assurances. 01:22:55
And agreements are in place to address the main. 01:23:01
Maintenance. 01:23:04
Of public hall roads. 01:23:06
How do we differentiate who's wrecking what rows, when, where, and how? 01:23:08
I think from our driveway down Breezy Point Road to A. 01:23:12
I think that is a very. 01:23:16
Fair statement to have an agreement with the Town of Trenton to maintain that. 01:23:18
Do you have that already or not? 01:23:22
With the downtrend, we discussed that and we said that we would be more than willing to maintain, you know, to cover that because. 01:23:24
That you know there's going to be more traffic on there than there is now. However, on County A, that'll be a, like you said, a 01:23:30
very hard thing to just. 01:23:34
Ding wish. 01:23:38
So you. 01:23:39
Are thinking only from a. 01:23:40
Until it reaches the Kennedy property. 01:23:43
Which is that? 01:23:48
If the. 01:23:51
County is fine with us utilizing the farm driveway that it's literally in like 200 feet off of a. 01:23:52
You can come soon. I think they're coming in right here. 01:23:59
Then our our truck traffic is going to go to the County Road. We're not going to access to Jersey. 01:24:02
And. 01:24:09
If that's a County Road, that wouldn't be a town issue. 01:24:11
Would it correct? 01:24:15
That'd be a county issue. Only a is a County Road. 01:24:17
Oh, but they're. 01:24:20
Coming in so it would just be depart from a. 01:24:21
To the driveway is what you're saying? 01:24:24
So we should say that. 01:24:26
The applicant has to enter a contract to with the town. 01:24:29
Trenton. 01:24:34
For maintenance of. 01:24:38
That section of road from A to. 01:24:39
The driveway. 01:24:42
Yeah, and I guess if you didn't want to. 01:24:45
Misspell it out that much of you said hey we'll just maintain the portion of Breezy Point Rd. that we use so that way if you're. 01:24:47
However you however it happens. 01:24:53
Right, do it that way, more general, generic. 01:24:56
The portion of Breezy Point Rd. that will be. 01:24:59
Accessed by. 01:25:01
The quarry. 01:25:03
That they will answer into a contract. 01:25:05
To for maintenance of. 01:25:07
Breezy Point Rd. 01:25:09
Used by. 01:25:11
Quarry traffic. 01:25:17
Do you want that? 01:25:22
Contract submitted prior to the issuance of the conditional use permit. 01:25:23
Would you be able to answer that before condition news permit was? 01:25:28
Given approved. 01:25:32
Yeah, as long as you is. 01:25:34
They said once the conditional use got approved, they would. 01:25:36
Do. But yeah, as long as everyone's on the same page, no problem. They'll be the minutes of the approval, but the actual permit 01:25:39
itself. 01:25:42
Well, it'll be, you know, condition number, whatever this is, must be. 01:25:45
That document has to be to us to sign that CMP off. 01:25:49
Yep. 01:25:53
OK #7 if fuel. 01:25:57
Oil or other hazardous materials are stored on site. All storage. 01:26:00
Handling and containment. 01:26:05
Procedures shall comply with applicable. 01:26:07
Federal, state and local regulations to prevent soil or groundwater contamination. 01:26:10
Sensible. 01:26:16
#8 Crushing asphalt, concrete and hauling activities shall be limited to the hours of 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM. Monday through Friday 01:26:18
and 6:00 AM to 2:00 PM. 01:26:24
On Saturdays when necessary. 01:26:30
So Saturdays aren't always necessary, you figure. 01:26:33
No, typically we operate five days a week, OK. And that's what we run. 01:26:37
I just asked to have the. 01:26:42
Provision like on a job specific request that we could. 01:26:44
Have. 01:26:48
To request additional hours for a certain. 01:26:49
To do that. 01:26:52
Or do you want to see you P? 01:26:53
You can you can put rules on there as you see fit to curtail to their proposal. 01:26:55
So. 01:27:00
What does the committee think about that? 01:27:01
What do the neighborhood quarries do? 01:27:08
Batch plant. 01:27:10
Or is that? 01:27:11
That's how we have some of our other conditional uses in. 01:27:12
Our different locations. 01:27:17
Is that typically? 01:27:19
We have a provision in there that like if we notify the town chairman on a project specific. 01:27:21
You know, hey, on Tuesday we need to start at 4:00 AM so that we can make mix by 5:30 because of some constraint. 01:27:26
Or if we had to run a night shift. 01:27:34
You know that they're notified. It's a limited basis of, you know, for a specific project of a couple days or whatever. 01:27:37
That, you know, they're notified, they let us run. It's not effort. Then you know, in the farmer next door is. 01:27:45
Pushing to try and get something done before the rain. We have the same things happen, you know we're. 01:27:50
Or, umm. 01:27:54
That's in the contract that we signed. Often you work on Saturdays. 01:27:55
About 10:10. 01:28:00
Corner of them. 01:28:03
Wait, he's talking. 01:28:05
Like if you get a certain job that night. 01:28:08
Early. 01:28:13
How late would you go? 01:28:18
How late would you go? 01:28:21
For the operations in the specific. 01:28:23
Jobs. 01:28:27
Well, like for instance, like it typically doesn't happen this far north, but like. 01:28:29
I think this last year 894, just take that for example, the dot had it in the bid specification, it was night. 01:28:36
So it was a night shift, all right. That's a whole different. 01:28:42
Right. Which could they come up and do that on 151 if we bid a job there? 01:28:45
They could, you know. 01:28:49
I'm just saying in that instance we just want to have the provision to request for that. 01:28:51
Let's have this. 01:28:56
Standard hours listed and then. 01:28:57
I like the idea about notifying the town chairman. 01:28:59
If. 01:29:03
Work is going to be done outside those hours. 01:29:03
Yeah, it's that simple. 01:29:06
And keep it at the local level. 01:29:08
So right with the committee, OK. 01:29:51
OK. 01:29:53
#9 Blasting activities shall be limited to the hours of 8:00 AM. 01:29:54
To 4:00 PM Monday through Friday and 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM on Saturdays when necessary. 01:29:59
The storage, handling, and use of explosives shall comply with all applicable federal, state, and local regulations. 01:30:05
Can you get your blasting done Monday through Friday? 01:30:16
Because I would like to see the weekends free of that for sure. 01:30:20
If that's. 01:30:24
Yeah, we could make that work, OK. 01:30:25
Not the Saturday. 01:30:27
Eliminate Saturday. 01:30:29
#10. 01:30:38
A land use permit shall be obtained for the scale house and any additional structures constructed or placed on the site. 01:30:38
That's per county code, isn't it? 01:30:47
Yes, we got a #11. 01:30:50
A driveway access permit along with an emergency response slash building number. 01:30:52
Shall be obtained. 01:30:58
#12 Berms shall fully encompass all areas. 01:31:01
Actively being mined additionally. 01:31:06
Sperm shall be vegetated and appropriate safety signage shall be installed. 01:31:09
OK #13 All applicable local, state, and federal permits and approval shall be obtained and maintained. 01:31:16
OK #14 The This approval shall expire one year after the decision is filed with the department unless construction has been 01:31:25
diligently pursued, a certificate of zoning compliance has been issued, the approved use has been established, or the conditional 01:31:32
use permit has been renewed for a period not to exceed one additional year. 01:31:40
And we talked about that so. 01:31:48
#15 The conditional use permit shall also expire upon termination of the project or if the rights granted by the permit are 01:31:50
discontinued for a period of 180 consecutive days. 01:31:58
OK #16 no topsoil is to leave the site. 01:32:06
You were saying that that is irregular. 01:32:13
That it's unnecessary. 01:32:17
Correct, you don't need it all at the end, so why keep it there? Is that what your point was right exactly? 01:32:20
So how would you know how much you're going to need? 01:32:30
So the basis of that is the fact that. 01:32:33
The quarry will be about 70 feet deep. 01:32:36
And it'll. 01:32:40
It'll fill with water and it'll be a lake. Yeah. 01:32:40
So the topsoil that is. 01:32:43
On that, I don't know the acreage of the lake, but it's about 100 acres. 01:32:46
You don't need topsoil for that 100 acres, so. 01:32:50
At least half of the topsoil can be taken off this property because it won't be used. 01:32:53
So we could do. 01:32:59
You know, in our reclamation plan we could do the mathematical calculation of how much topsoil we need to remain on site and we 01:33:00
could list that out so that it's clear. 01:33:04
All right, let's. 01:33:08
Terry no permit, yeah, so. 01:33:09
So in these cases. 01:33:12
This is going to be a pond or a lake. 01:33:14
So. 01:33:17
Everything that is not hit. 01:33:19
That is not below that water table level. 01:33:22
If they. 01:33:24
Walk off the site. 01:33:25
And they don't have it deep enough for it to be a pond. 01:33:28
That topsoil should be there. 01:33:32
To reclaim that site back to. 01:33:35
Agricultural use or? 01:33:38
Or something so that something grows on it. That's our concern. 01:33:40
It can't be upon until. 01:33:44
It hits that water table. 01:33:46
So. 01:33:48
That's. 01:33:50
That's when we just simply say, you know, you need to keep enough material on there for anything that is above that water table. 01:33:51
There should be. 01:33:59
There should be. 01:34:00
Material there. 01:34:02
In order to get something to grow back on it. 01:34:04
And most of the land is still going to remain in agriculture, so. 01:34:09
Yeah, I we just better. 01:34:12
Leave it all there right now. 01:34:14
And see how that falls. 01:34:16
Committee OK with that. 01:34:18
#17 Any inconsistencies with the reclamation plan shall be addressed and corrected. 01:34:21
Prior to approval. 01:34:28
OK #18 The applicant shall obtain and maintain a non metallic mining reclamation permit. 01:34:31
In accordance with the Dodge County Non Metallic Mining Reclamation Ordinance. 01:34:38
The permit shall require compliance with an approved. 01:34:43
Acclamation plan consistent with. 01:34:47
Section 4.3 of the ordinance and the provision of. 01:34:50
Financial Assurance. 01:34:54
In accordance with Section 5.0 of the ordinance prior. 01:34:56
To commencement of the quarry. 01:35:00
OK number 19. The reclamation plan for the finished pond shall include modifications. 01:35:04
To the shape of the pond to include. 01:35:11
Irregular, non rectangular. 01:35:13
Boundaries so that the pond is a more attractive feature when it is finished. 01:35:16
Make it look more natural. 01:35:22
That's OK. That's it. The committee think of anything else they're concerned with or is that cover everything that. 01:35:24
All right, that will be the change to the conditions. 01:35:34
Great. Does the committee believe that the conditional use permit request meets the approval criteria in sections 236-F of the 01:35:38
County Land Use Code and the provisions of Wisconsin State Statute 91.46? 01:35:47
Committee. 01:35:55
Yeah, yes. 01:35:56
Motion. I entertain a motion. 01:36:03
2nd. 01:36:07
OK, I'll make the motion. 01:36:09
Cool, I thought you were making motion. 01:36:11
Good morning, you said. I'll make the motion. That's what I heard would be done. 01:36:13
I don't have the paper to read. 01:36:22
That can I have your paper? 01:36:24
When you're. 01:36:27
Can I borrow your? 01:36:30
OK, can I have his? 01:36:33
Yeah. So to make it official. 01:36:35
All right, there's all that. 01:36:44
I will make a motion to approve the conditional use permit request based upon the previously mentioned findings. 01:36:48
And the conditions as. 01:36:54
Has changed. 01:36:56
And. 01:36:59
Any other comments, questions by committee? 01:37:05
Hearing none, I'll call the vote. All those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:37:09
Aye, opposed. 01:37:12
And we had one abstention deal. 01:37:16
Yeah. And the motion carries on the basis of the findings above, findings of fact. 01:37:19
Conditioned conclusions of law and the record in this matter. The committee granted preliminary approval of the conditional use 01:37:26
permits subject to the conditions listed above. 01:37:29
And the land use administrators directed to issue a conditional use permit incorporating the decisions of the committee. 01:37:34
Done. Thank you. 01:37:43
Don't. Don't we have to do the? 01:37:45
What? What the? 01:37:48
There was another one, the reclamation thing. 01:37:50
What's with the reclamation? So. So the reclamation is. 01:37:53
Somebody could request. 01:37:58
An informational meeting. 01:38:01
That's it. OK, it's not a. 01:38:02
When you're under a zone talent under a zoned Township in the county. 01:38:05
We can run them simultaneously. 01:38:10
But if somebody does not specifically request an informational hearing. 01:38:12
You don't have to and it was just there and it was not requested so. 01:38:17
So we don't have to do anyone. 01:38:26
No, there wasn't one. 01:38:27
There wasn't a reclamation hearing requested, so we don't have to do 1. 01:38:29
All right. 01:38:38
We move on. 01:38:45
If you found the other ones you said. 01:38:52
Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the Dodge County Land, Resources and Parks Committee on Monday, 01:38:53
January 12, 2026 at 7:15 PM or shortly thereafter on the first floor. 01:38:59
Meeting rooms 1 H and one I of the Administration Building, Juno, Wisconsin. 01:39:06
On the application of Dodge County for a public trail. 01:39:10
Phase two of the Dodge County Gold Star Memorial Trail within the A1 Agriculture. A2 General. 01:39:14
Agricultural R1 single family residential C2 extensive commercial I-1 Lake Commercial zoning districts. The proposed trails 01:39:21
located on properties in part of the sections 123 Town of Oak Grove. 01:39:27
In and along the north side of State Highway 33, right of way. 01:39:34
Copy of the proposed project is available for review in the County Land Resources and Parks Department between the hours of 8:00 01:39:38
AM and 4:30 PM. 01:39:41
Monday through Friday, 920-386-3700. 01:39:45
All persons interested are invited to attend and be heard. 01:39:49
Written comments may be sent to the Dodge County Land Resources and Parks Department at 127 E Oak St. Juneau, WI 53039. 01:39:52
Or by e-mail. 01:40:00
To T Oaks at Co dot Dodge, WI US no later than January 9, 2026. Dated December 19, 2025. 01:40:02
Dodge County Land Resources and Parks Committee by Dan Sigmund, Chair. 01:40:11
Staff report please. 01:40:19
OK applicants request an application for a county conditional use permit under the Dodge County. Land Use Code was made by the 01:40:21
applicant to allow for the expansion. 01:40:26
Of a public trail phase two of the Dodge. 01:40:32
County Gold Star Memorial Trail. 01:40:35
Within the A1 agricultural A2 general agricultural, R1 single family residential. 01:40:37
C2 extensive commercial. I-1 light industrial. 01:40:44
Districts. 01:40:48
The property is located in part of sections 1-2 and three, the Town of Oak Grove. 01:40:49
Phase two of the Gold Star Memorial Trail is the next major phase of this five phase public. 01:40:57
Private initiative to develop. 01:41:03
East West bicycle and pedestrian path. 01:41:06
Linking Mayville to Beaver Dam and key points in between. 01:41:09
This trail segment is roughly 2 point. 01:41:14
2 miles connecting City View Blvd. in the city of Horcon to the Wild Goose Trail. 01:41:17
While Goose State Trail. 01:41:24
Along State Road 33. 01:41:26
The path will be 10 feet wide asphalt with two foot grass or gravel shoulders. 01:41:29
And has been designed and maintained. 01:41:35
To maintain a 29 foot separation from the travel traveled portion. 01:41:38
Of the highway. 01:41:43
To accommodate non motorized use. 01:41:44
Uses such as biking. 01:41:47
Walking. 01:41:50
Snow, snowshoeing and snowshoeing in the winter. 01:41:51
A non motorized trail connection between the city of Horicon. 01:41:55
In the wild, Goose State Trail has been in county and city adoption plans since the early 1990s. 01:41:59
In 2019, a route study for phase two and three was conducted to identify the most feasible and cost effective routes for the trail 01:42:07
connecting from Horicon to Beaver Dam. 01:42:14
The Highway 33 route from Horicon to the Wild Goose Trail was. 01:42:21
Determined to be the best route. 01:42:27
The Highway 33 route was deemed to be the most cost effective and direct route. 01:42:30
Had had the least topography and waterway obstacles provided. 01:42:36
Provided the best access to commercial and residential designations. 01:42:41
And could be served by an existing trailhead. 01:42:46
At a highly visible location at Hwy. 33 and Hwy. 26. 01:42:51
A 1.1 million. 01:42:57
Dollar Federal Transportation Alternative Grant. 01:43:00
Was then obtained from the design and the construction portion of the project. 01:43:04
The design and engineering of the project has been ongoing for the last 18 months. 01:43:09
Which included archaeological, historical, environmental, traffic, environmental. 01:43:15
Traffic Geotechnical. 01:43:20
Real estate and other studies. 01:43:22
The design was identified. 01:43:24
The design has identified. 01:43:27
The need to acquire a total of. 01:43:29
.888 excuse me .899 acres of permanent easement over six properties. 01:43:32
And a 1.42 acre. 01:43:40
Temporary easements. 01:43:43
Over 13 properties to best accommodate the trail and maintain proper drainage. 01:43:45
And trail development standards. 01:43:50
Adjustments to part of the design are possible to minimize the easements needed, however, they will result in a greater 01:43:53
construction cost and increased safety concerns. 01:43:58
Additionally. 01:44:08
A $260,000 grant from the Department of Natural Resources was received for the construction of this portion. 01:44:09
Of construction portion of this project and local donations through the Friends of Dodge County Park Group were funding. 01:44:18
Our funding and. 01:44:27
The easement purchases needed for this project. 01:44:28
Other than safety and directional signage, no other development. 01:44:32
Developments are anticipated along the trail. 01:44:37
Reviews of the project and designs have been completed by Native American tribes. 01:44:40
Department of Natural Resources. 01:44:45
US Fish and Wildlife Services. 01:44:47
State Historic Preservation Office. 01:44:50
Department of AG Trade Consumer Protection. 01:44:52
Natural Resources Conservation Service. 01:44:55
Among others with no significant impacts identified. 01:44:58
However, uh. 01:45:01
The potential for the impact. 01:45:02
To a few threat. 01:45:04
To a few threatened and endangered species recommended. 01:45:06
And or required special construction techniques for time of. 01:45:10
For time restrictions. 01:45:14
Review Criteria subsection 2.3. 01:45:16
2.36 A through H of the land use code details procedural matters. 01:45:20
Approval criteria and the form for the conditional use permit application. 01:45:25
Two, according to Section 3, point 7.4 of the Code, the committee may authorize the land use administrator to issue a conditional 01:45:30
use permit. 01:45:35
For those conditional uses listed under Section 3, point 7.2 of the code. 01:45:40
After review. 01:45:45
And a public hearing, provided that such conditional uses are in accordance with Section 2 point. 01:45:47
3.6 of the code and Wisconsin State statutes. 01:45:52
9140.46. 01:45:56
Land use provisions 6.1 Point 3E. 01:45:59
Parks in open space. 01:46:03
We have characteristics parks and open space use categories include public and semi public uses of land focusing on natural areas. 01:46:05
Large areas consisting mostly of vegetation, landscape or outdoor recreation. 01:46:14
Community gardens or public squares? Private parks? 01:46:20
Private open space uses are not included in this classification. 01:46:23
Accessory uses Accessory uses may include clubhouses. 01:46:28
Playgrounds, maintenance facilities, concessions. 01:46:32
Caretakers quarters and parking. 01:46:36
Some examples include fairgrounds, golf courses. 01:46:38
Playgrounds. 01:46:43
Ball fields. Recreational areas. 01:46:44
Recreational trails. 01:46:46
Botanical Gardens. 01:46:48
Nature preserves and wildlife ponds. 01:46:50
Section 3.6 and Table 3.6, Dash 1 Use table list parks, trails and playgrounds as a conditional use in. 01:46:53
In zoning districts. 01:47:02
Purpose Statement Purpose of the A1 prime agricultural zoning district is to promote areas. 01:47:06
For uses of a generally exclusive agricultural. 01:47:11
Agricultural Nature. 01:47:14
In order to protect farmland. 01:47:15
Allow participation in the state's farmland preservation program and accommodate changing practices in the agricultural industry, 01:47:17
subject to the appropriate standards. 01:47:22
The purpose of the A2 General Agricultural Zoning District is to promote areas of agriculture. 01:47:28
Which are transitional, allowing for the expansion of urban areas. 01:47:33
Limited rural residential development. 01:47:37
And the conservation of. 01:47:39
Agricultural land. 01:47:42
To other related uses subject to appropriate standards. 01:47:43
The purpose of the R1 single family residential district is to promote generally exclusive low density. 01:47:48
Single family residence. 01:47:53
Residential Areas and Accommodate uses appropriate to service residential development, subject to appropriate standards. 01:47:55
The purpose of the C2 Extensive Commercial District is to promote commercial areas for larger retail. 01:48:03
Wholesale. 01:48:09
Service and Office uses. 01:48:10
And outdoor sales lots and other such uses which. 01:48:13
Primarily depend upon vehicular access and constitute single destination subject to the appropriate standards. 01:48:17
Purpose of the I-1 Light Industrial District is to promote an. 01:48:26
An area. 01:48:31
For uses of light industrial nature, including manufacturing, warehousing. 01:48:33
Wholesaling, storage and transportation such. 01:48:39
Generally do not produce offensive smoke. 01:48:42
Noise, Odor, health. 01:48:45
Health hazards or frequent traffic? 01:48:47
Congestion. 01:48:50
Subject to appropriate standards. 01:48:51
Physical features of the site The county has zoning jurisdiction over the site is the Town of Oak Grove has adopted the county's 01:48:55
land use code. 01:48:59
The site is located within the A1 Prime Agricultural zoning district. 01:49:03
The two general agricultural. 01:49:08
Our one single family residential. 01:49:11
C2 extensive commercial. 01:49:13
I-1 light industrial zoning districts. 01:49:16
The proposed projects are not located within any county Shoreland zoning. 01:49:19
Jurisdiction. 01:49:23
Proposed project is not located within the county's floodplain jurisdiction. 01:49:25
The base farm track contain. 01:49:29
Bees Farm Track contains 84.7 acres that are located in the A1 Prime Agricultural zoning district. 01:49:31
4.23 acres are available for non farm residential use under section 3.7, point 2D, one of the code. 01:49:38
Topography of the site is nearly level taka. 01:49:46
Topography with slopes ranging from zero. 01:49:49
Percent land use of the site is agricultural residential. 01:49:51
Open space. 01:49:56
Church and commercial. 01:49:57
Land use of the area is a cultural residential. 01:50:00
Commercial. 01:50:03
Educational. 01:50:04
And resident recreational. 01:50:05
Designated archaeological sites we have. 01:50:10
Staff notes that there is a registered cemetery located adjacent to the project. 01:50:14
As a requirement of the federal grant there of the federal grant construction work near the cemetery will require monitoring by a 01:50:19
qualified archaeological. 01:50:24
Archaeolog. 01:50:28
Assigned by Wisconsin Department of Transportation. 01:50:31
Recommendations. Town recommendation has recommended denial. 01:50:36
Excuse me, what do you? What do you say? 01:50:44
The town has recommended denial. 01:50:45
Which town is that? 01:50:48
That would be Townable Grove. 01:50:49
Let's see, the Township does not support this conditional use permit due to the lack of support from. 01:50:54
Affected land owners in the municipality. 01:51:00
The city of. 01:51:04
Horcon has recommended approval. 01:51:06
It says this one approved. 01:51:13
Sit down here, it's approved. 01:51:16
The recommendation so no so so that is a. 01:51:19
Standard for generic form. It's just a generic form bet. 01:51:23
The one from the town should have. 01:51:27
Then amended to state. 01:51:28
The city instead of town. 01:51:33
Apologies. 01:51:36
Staff Advisory The staff has reviewed the proposal for compliance with the criteria listed in Sections 2.3 point 6F and 3.7 point 01:51:39
2D of the Dodge County. 01:51:45
Land use code and chapter 91.46 of Wisconsin State statute. 01:51:52
Staff comments are listed in Exhibit A for committee review. 01:51:57
It is the Staffs position that the project. 01:52:02
As proposed. 01:52:05
Is in compliance with the applicable provisions of the Dodge County Land Use Code. 01:52:06
And. 01:52:10
Provisions of Chapter 91.46 of a Wisconsin State Statutes. 01:52:11
And staff believes the committee can make the necessary findings under. 01:52:16
Section 2.6 F and 3.7 point 2D of the code that are required to approve a conditional use permit for this project. 01:52:20
If approved, the following conditions Staff believes that the project will not have an adverse effect on adjacent land owners. 01:52:30
The committee or the environment? 01:52:37
And the proposal will be consistent with the. 01:52:39
Purpose and intent of the code. 01:52:41
At 5 conditions. 01:52:44
1A County land use permit shall be obtained for any structures located outside the designated road right of way. 01:52:47
Two construction site erosion control shall be implemented per 7.9 point. 01:52:54
To a of the Dodge County Land Use Code and is required by the grants. 01:53:00
Three construction companies. 01:53:06
Schedule restrictions and required coordination. 01:53:09
With federal and state agencies. 01:53:12
According to the grant requirements and easements granted shall be complied with. 01:53:14
4 The decision of the committee shall expire one year after the decision is filed with the department. 01:53:19
Unless construction has been diligently. 01:53:25
Pursued. 01:53:28
A certificate of zoning compliance has been issued. 01:53:29
The use is established. 01:53:32
Or a conditional use permit is renewed. 01:53:34
For a period not to exceed one year. 01:53:37
5 The conditional use permit shall also expire upon termination. 01:53:41
Of the project or if the rights granted by the permit are discontinued for 180 days. 01:53:47
Is the applicant here? 01:53:58
Yep. 01:54:00
First of all, I just want to thank everybody that's here that stayed so long tonight. 01:54:03
I do have a few things to go through here and hope you can put it out a little bit longer and I do ask. 01:54:08
The land owners that are here to stay afterwards, after the meeting, this is. 01:54:15
We only have basically one other item after this so. 01:54:19
I'd like to sit down and meet with with those with them. 01:54:22
So I'm asking to do that. 01:54:25
Before I get started into the specifics of the Phase 2 project. 01:54:27
I think it's really important to understand the genesis and background. 01:54:32
Of how we got to where we are. 01:54:36
Now. 01:54:38
And it because it really speaks to the grassroots community support and the desire to bring these important facilities to Dodge 01:54:39
County to improve the quality of life. 01:54:43
So indulge me in a minute going back 40 years ago. 01:54:49
The Chicago Northwestern Railroad abandoned their line. 01:54:54
From. 01:54:58
From Fond du Lac to Climate Junction, basically right down the center of Dodge County. 01:55:00
34 miles from from Fond du Lac. 01:55:05
To climb injunction. 01:55:08
20 miles in Dodge County and the 14 in Fond du Lac County. 01:55:10
When the railroad abandoned the state. 01:55:17
Offered. 01:55:20
Dodge and Fond du Lac County the opportunity to do a cooperative trail. 01:55:21
Where the state would purchase the corridor for the counties to operate to develop and operate a trail. 01:55:26
Fond du Lac County jumped on it, said yeah, we'll do it. 01:55:33
Dodge County Board turned it down. 01:55:36
That didn't set well. 01:55:39
With community. 01:55:41
That wanted to see this trail. I wanted to see a trail happen that energized a group of people, business leaders, organizations, 01:55:42
groups and they established Friends of the recreational Trail, which is now known as friends of Dodge County Parks. So they have a 01:55:48
40 year history of. 01:55:54
Helping to fundraise funds. 01:56:00
To improve recreational opportunities in Dodge County. 01:56:02
So they were successful in rallying support. They brought it back to the county board. 01:56:08
County Board reversed their decision. 01:56:13
And uh. 01:56:15
Obviously we now have the Wild Goose State Trail because of that. That group raised all the funds to develop the trail and that 01:56:16
was the condition of the county. 01:56:20
County Board approval. 01:56:25
So that's kind of the history that we have on. 01:56:27
Trail development in Dodge County. 01:56:30
So, so I wanted to to kind of bring that that forward. 01:56:33
But I will also say since the trail was developed. 01:56:37
About 1995 SO. 01:56:42
30 years ago the communities Beaver Dam, Horacon, What Pond and Dodge County General. 01:56:44
Had put it in their plans that. 01:56:51
There needs to be a connection. 01:56:53
From their communities to the Wild Goose Trail. 01:56:55
It's been in the plans for 30 years. 01:56:58
It's taken a long time to get to this point. 01:57:03
Find there was there was been discussions, but nothing really gained traction. 01:57:06
Finally, in 2013, a group of Mayville residents and business owners with an interest in developing a trail to the Horicon Marsh 01:57:11
from the City of Mayville. 01:57:16
Came forward to the county. 01:57:21
To see if we could. 01:57:22
Get involved and partner with that. 01:57:23
Shortly after that idea came forward. 01:57:27
A few Gold Star families. 01:57:30
Reached out to that group and really we're looking to. 01:57:31
Bring something positive to the communities. 01:57:36
In remembrance of the tragic loss that we've had. 01:57:39
Their sons as well as others. 01:57:42
In those communities, Beaver Dam, Horacon and Mayville. 01:57:45
We've lost six since 1991. 01:57:48
In the Middle East. 01:57:51
So that added an additional. 01:57:53
Importance to it, but we've. 01:57:55
I it's always been a desire and need to connect communities. 01:57:58
With this infrastructure. 01:58:03
So I don't have the phases on there but. 01:58:05
We were able to so then. 01:58:10
Then the Friends of Dodge County Parks got involved for the fundraising aspect and were able to raise funds for this. 01:58:13
It's a. 01:58:22
Large, complicated projects. 01:58:23
Been going on for 12 years specifically for this. 01:58:25
And we've divided into 5 different phases. 01:58:29
Right now one in four are complete, which are. 01:58:32
The Mayville Tahoe Con Marsh and then the city of Horicon. 01:58:35
Identified their Rd. routes through the city of Horicon. 01:58:39
Well, as I said, so phase one. 01:58:45
Friends group. 01:58:49
They raised 745,000. 01:58:50
Plus. 01:58:53
In grants and donations to get this phase one done. 01:58:54
Significant community support. 01:58:58
You know and and. 01:59:03
It all started with the $10,000 donation in 2013 from Beaver Dam Community Hospital Foundation. 01:59:04
Pizza sales events. 01:59:12
Band activities, things like that were the things that. 01:59:17
That helped raise some money for that. 01:59:21
Once Phase one was opened in 2019. 01:59:25
We immediately moved to to the the phase two and three between Horacon and the City of Beaver Dam. 01:59:28
We actually went through a route study. 01:59:35
To look at because we do have a lot of options unlike the Phase 1 Highway 28 was was obvious connection there. 01:59:37
We had a lot of options to look at. 01:59:44
From uh. 01:59:47
From Horicon to Beaver Dam. 01:59:48
And we did study those. 01:59:50
The As was mentioned in the staff report, Hwy. 33 was determined to be the the preferred route for a number of reasons. 01:59:54
And you know, it really is the shortest. 02:00:04
The least costly? 02:00:07
The least impactful to any other. 02:00:10
Properties and environmental issues. 02:00:13
Probably the next one would be the Highway E project, but there are several. 02:00:15
Significant waterways that it crosses and some wetland issues that we would. 02:00:21
Would expand the cost of that significantly. 02:00:26
Additionally this. 02:00:33
Trail. We have a trailhead at Hwy. 26 and 33 which would serve this. 02:00:35
Connection is goes through the City of Horicon Business New Business Park. 02:00:40
The MPTC campus is on there. 02:00:46
And additional businesses will be forthcoming. 02:00:49
It connects right into the city of City of Horicon at their West business district and some major housing. 02:00:52
Things that are happening so it really connects. 02:01:00
Our our residential areas and our population. 02:01:03
To facilities. 02:01:09
Along that that stretch. 02:01:11
For Phase 2. 02:01:18
We have. 02:01:20
Received significant amount of money like I mentioned there was mentioned the staff. 02:01:21
Report. 02:01:26
We. 02:01:27
Have received a $1.1 million grant of federal grant Transportation Alternatives Program Grant. 02:01:28
We've also seen received a quarter of a million state grant. 02:01:34
As well as several local foundation grants and donations. 02:01:38
That have come in. 02:01:42
To have this. 02:01:44
Project fully funded based on current estimates. 02:01:45
Construction is scheduled to take place this summer and in fact must begin this summer or we lose the $1 million federal grant. 02:01:49
So, but construction cannot. Construction planning cannot move forward until the real estate portion is completed. 02:01:57
There are some temporary easements that are required. 02:02:07
As mentioned in the staff report. 02:02:10
Some of those are temporary easements, mostly during construction for grading purposes and access. 02:02:13
And there are few permanent easements typically involving culverts. 02:02:20
To do the appropriate drainage and improve drainage in those areas. 02:02:24
There are 14 properties that are affected by this. 02:02:29
Six of the easements have to date, as far as I am aware, have come in or are in process of being processed. 02:02:33
And there are still 8. 02:02:41
Properties that need to be resolved as far as I'm aware of. I'm hoping they're all here tonight that we can talk through this and 02:02:43
see if we can come to some some resolution. 02:02:48
We have about a month to wrap this up or this project is dead. 02:02:54
This plain and simple, all the efforts and work that we've put into this project. 02:02:58
Really come down to. 02:03:04
The goodwill of land owners along this stretch. 02:03:06
And, umm. 02:03:10
And we are willing to do whatever we can to try to minimize any concerns that they have. 02:03:12
I would like to go back to phase one. 02:03:19
It's always whenever you have a new project, doesn't matter what it is, the you know mining is is pretty significant. 02:03:22
There's always. 02:03:31
The opposition to it. 02:03:33
And phase one was no different. 02:03:36
The land owners along there. 02:03:39
We still had, you know. 02:03:41
Majority was supportive, but we still had. 02:03:43
Had some that were opposed to it. 02:03:46
We followed up a survey after the trail was completed. 02:03:48
And asked. 02:03:51
What their feelings were now. 02:03:52
We had none that were very opposed. 02:03:55
Versus we had some that were very opposed. 02:03:57
Are some very supportive? 02:04:00
Increased. 02:04:02
From 57 to 71%. 02:04:03
And that has been typical with the Wild Goose Trail. Same thing we had. 02:04:07
Significant. 02:04:11
People coming forward and worried about all different things that never really happened, and they tend to be the biggest users of 02:04:14
this trail because it's right out their front door. 02:04:18
Those that that survey that we did. 02:04:26
Identifies some of the activities that those. 02:04:30
This is specific to those people that live along the trail and phase one. 02:04:35
I walking by walking and hiking. 02:04:40
Is obviously they all, all of them have said that they do that. 02:04:43
54. 02:04:48
4% were bikers and. 02:04:49
15% use the trail for jogging and running. 02:04:50
This is pretty significant in that. 02:04:55
Over 3/4 of the households report. 02:04:58
That they do more physical activity for their family because it's there. 02:05:01
And that then that's just kind of a typical. 02:05:05
Thing the feeling is that they won't use it now, or they're maybe opposed to it. 02:05:09
We ask that you give it a chance. 02:05:17
And understand that. 02:05:19
All our past history that we've had. 02:05:22
There, there has been significant support. 02:05:26
And use of the trail from. 02:05:28
From the. 02:05:30
Adjacent property owners. 02:05:31
So I. 02:05:35
I think that's. 02:05:40
All our groups say about say it right now, but I can respond to any. 02:05:42
Questions or concerns? 02:05:46
Well, that's. 02:05:52
Continue with the public hearing here. 02:05:54
Is there anyone in attendance that would like to speak in favor of? 02:05:57
This request. 02:06:00
Come forward to the microphone. Please state your name and. 02:06:03
Hello. 02:06:13
Good evening. 02:06:14
Eugene Brothen, 157 S Wind Trail, Horicon. 02:06:16
As Bill stated. 02:06:23
I didn't realize it was that long ago, but. 02:06:25
I was what, 30 years old and just riding my bike around town and. 02:06:28
Jenny C home flagged me down and said hey, we need support. 02:06:34
And I got involved and I'm still involved. 02:06:40
And still writing. 02:06:43
So I'm an avid biker. 02:06:46
Bike all kinds of roads. 02:06:49
Trails. 02:06:52
Trails are. 02:06:53
Extremely nice to be on. 02:06:55
And I do know a lot of people. I have one couple in town. 02:06:58
They're not here tonight. 02:07:03
They have E bikes. 02:07:05
They will not ride in traffic. 02:07:07
Of any kind. 02:07:10
So I don't know how often they do it, but they will. 02:07:12
Load up or trailer their bikes. 02:07:16
And go out to. 02:07:18
E and get on the Wild Goose trail. 02:07:20
And go for a ride. 02:07:23
Now I know they said they would love. 02:07:25
Being able to just. 02:07:28
Right through town and get out onto the trail. 02:07:29
Back out 26 or wild goose trail and. 02:07:33
Continue on for a ride. 02:07:37
I do. 02:07:40
Now I got a picture I want to show you. 02:07:43
Some of your pictures, there probably were some pretty older riders in that, but this? 02:07:47
Is my grandkids. 02:07:53
Now I feel so much better when I have the grandkids and we're on a trail. 02:07:56
And this particular little train here that. 02:08:02
I have to be on a trail with them. 02:08:06
They're no longer writing that anymore. They have their own 24 inch bikes, but. 02:08:09
Yeah, trails are. 02:08:14
So nice. 02:08:15
And beneficial for community. 02:08:17
And especially for like horrend. 02:08:20
We could be almost in the center of that hub. 02:08:23
To bring in outside. 02:08:26
Vacationers that want to visit the marsh. 02:08:28
Ride the trail. 02:08:32
And enjoy themselves. 02:08:34
But I knew do know that. 02:08:37
Traffic. 02:08:40
When I'm on a Rd. 02:08:41
Can be very dangerous. I'd have enough. 02:08:42
Close calls as it is. 02:08:45
So when I. 02:08:47
Am near a trail I will jump on and use. 02:08:48
Bill says he tracks. 02:08:52
People going on the. 02:08:54
Section A. 02:08:55
He knows how many pass through I probably one of them that. 02:08:57
Hit that marker I don't know how many times then. 02:09:01
And my way north. 02:09:04
But yeah, it'd be great to be able to get over to the. 02:09:05
Wild Goose Trail. 02:09:09
And then just use that to convert down to. 02:09:11
Another Township or County Road. 02:09:14
Let me check see if I didn't even read any of it. 02:09:19
But but I think I hit everything that I wanted to. 02:09:25
Mention about it. 02:09:28
But yeah, I think that would be it. 02:09:32
But thank you. 02:09:35
I do approve of it. 02:09:36
Thank you. 02:09:39
Anybody else come forward to speak in favor? 02:09:39
Good evening and thank you for this opportunity. My name is Glenn Daly. 02:09:54
I actually don't live anywhere near the trail. 02:09:59
I have met N 633 High View Rd. 02:10:02
In it's it says Exonia, where it's Dodge County town Lebanon. 02:10:06
I'm right across the street from Harness Sugar Park. 02:10:11
I have also the president of the Friends of Dodge County Parks. 02:10:14
I I was on the board when the Mayville Group came to us. 02:10:19
And asked us if. 02:10:24
They could be part of our organization. 02:10:26
They needed some way of. 02:10:30
Funding, carrying their funds and whatnot. 02:10:32
And we had that infrastructure all set up through the friends group already, so we made them an ad hoc committee. 02:10:34
Before we could even take off with that, the Gold Star families came forward. 02:10:41
And as Bill explained, everything took off from there. 02:10:46
The Friends at Dodge County Parks is 100% behind the Gold Star Memorial Trail and getting it all the way to Beaver Dam. 02:10:51
We. 02:11:00
They have run. 02:11:00
Different band concerts. 02:11:04
For phase one, it was a mudslide jam fest in Mayville. There was two or three of them that we ran. 02:11:07
In in 2024 we did a fundraiser. 02:11:16
At the Tower Lanes in Beaver Dam. 02:11:20
To raise funds for the Gold Star Memorial Trail. 02:11:23
And. 02:11:26
Done some other fundraisers besides that. 02:11:27
We are here to make sure that we have the funds to get all the way to Beaver Dam. 02:11:30
And we're 100% behind it. Thank you for your time. 02:11:36
There you go. 02:12:06
I'm Michael Balangi and I am also. 02:12:07
Board member of the Friends of Dodge County Park. 02:12:11
And as you see with my shirt. 02:12:14
I also wrap. 02:12:16
Present. 02:12:17
Post 146 I'm a Vietnam conflict. 02:12:18
Era Army Medic. 02:12:22
And I'm also. 02:12:25
Active with the Beaver Dam Community Here Foundation. 02:12:26
And those two functioned. I'm the only person that can. 02:12:30
Your shirt with both of these things emblazoned on their shirt and I'm very proud. 02:12:33
Of. 02:12:38
Andrews being member of the. 02:12:39
Families of the Gold Star trio. 02:12:42
I'm totally. 02:12:44
Involved with this? 02:12:46
For those particular. 02:12:48
Gold Star Cancer fees. 02:12:50
Are very dear to me. Three of them. My son's actually new at the high school. 02:12:53
So I think we need to honor. 02:12:57
This very important Gold Star memorial trio. 02:13:01
So I would like to tell you that I'm a. 02:13:05
Cycler and I have. 02:13:08
Electronic bike I put on 700 miles. 02:13:11
And I'm standing here. 02:13:14
And I'm not crippled because in driving in Beaver Dam. 02:13:17
Wherever you go, you have to find all the side streets. It's very dangerous. 02:13:20
So I'd be very happy to be on. 02:13:24
28 miles of asphalt. 02:13:26
And it would, certainly. 02:13:28
Also bring financial. 02:13:32
Strength to this community. Just think of 28. 02:13:34
Miles and people. 02:13:37
Coming all over the state. 02:13:39
And we will be, I think, the most ambitious. 02:13:43
Veterans. 02:13:47
Goldstown Memorial Trail. 02:13:48
That I've seen so far. 28 miles is a lot of. 02:13:51
Blacktop. So it very much endorses this and I think. 02:13:54
That is a tremendous. 02:13:59
Honor to have those people falling. 02:14:01
To have a. 02:14:04
Attribute that. 02:14:05
We continue their legacy. 02:14:07
Thank you. 02:14:09
Ought to get back taller again. 02:14:21
Josh Moss, 103 Clayson. 02:14:23
Mayor of Hurricane. 02:14:25
We do support this. 02:14:27
But it comes with caveats because I stick up for all these guys here too. 02:14:28
In the town of Oak Grove. 02:14:32
I know it build on Jason's done camera and everyone's done. 02:14:33
In order to pass, we got to make sure. 02:14:38
You're not putting ATV's. 02:14:40
They it has to have something written in there and no Schwartz is a vast that. 02:14:43
As soon as we get that. 02:14:46
Little square Martian crossing done. 02:14:49
Schwartz is for sure. Who won't That big white gap. 02:14:51
In between Martian crossing in the city of Horicon where the number 33 is. 02:14:54
What they do not want? 02:14:59
Are people taking ATV's and other things on this trail? 02:15:01
Through their front yard. I'm sure the disastrous feel that way. Eberly's everyone behind me. 02:15:05
As long as there's some. 02:15:11
Whatever. 02:15:13
Thank you guys right up here. 02:15:14
Where you're protecting. 02:15:16
Their front yards especially, like Eberle House where this trail is going to be from me to Jason, away from their front door. 02:15:17
So the city of Horkon. 02:15:24
Absolutely wants this. 02:15:26
But we are sticking up for our friends and neighbors in Oak Grove as well. 02:15:29
So please at least consider. 02:15:32
No motorized vehicles except E bikes. 02:15:34
On this. 02:15:37
Make sure they have. 02:15:38
That assurance from you guys? 02:15:40
And then it's enforced. 02:15:43
That's all I got. 02:15:45
Hi, I am Robert Scott. I am from Horicon, and I'm also the representative for Sacred Heart Church, which is one of the easements 02:15:51
on this trail. Actually, I believe we're maybe one of the first. 02:15:57
Properties leaving town or in the city limit which will. 02:16:03
Get the trail. 02:16:07
So this is a game changer, this leg. 02:16:08
Is what puts the whole puzzle together because. 02:16:12
Section 3. 02:16:16
The state of Wisconsin is Allstate of Wisconsin, so it won't be easement fights or any of that or concerns. 02:16:18
The roads are overcrowded the way it is. 02:16:26
They're dangerous when you drive a car on them. 02:16:28
This is a great thing for the citizens of Dodge County and Wisconsin and anybody else who arrives here to bicycle. 02:16:31
Because. 02:16:38
When you look at what? 02:16:40
This section will make happen. 02:16:41
You're talking that we are literally going to have the crossroads of Dodge County for bicycling. 02:16:44
Come right through. 02:16:50
The Minnesota Junction area, which is. 02:16:53
The Wild Goose Trail at Hwy. 33 and 26. 02:16:56
So this is an amazing thing for us and it's. 02:17:00
Kind of the linchpin that we need to really. 02:17:03
Bring it home for a great. 02:17:06
Great activity. 02:17:09
That Dodge County will literally grow from, you know, as far as people visiting and coming through. 02:17:10
Thank you. 02:17:17
Hi, I'm Andrew Johnson. I'm today. I'm also with the Friends of Dodge County Parks and I'm also a Gold Star father. 02:17:27
From Dodge County. 02:17:33
I want to fill in a couple blanks. I thought it'd be appropriate at this time. 02:17:34
So you guys know what what happened, Bill? Bill told most of the story and I see this here from when the trail started. 02:17:39
We had tremendous losses of soldiers from. 02:17:46
Dodge County in the recent wars. 02:17:49
To Mayville 3 Beaver Dam, one hurricane. 02:17:52
And throughout our state, we had. 02:17:55
Over 300. 02:17:57
And. 02:17:58
When I learned that there was actually, I knew Jeannie C home and they had tried to make this a corridor for over 20 years 02:18:00
actually before you guys got started. 02:18:05
I don't know if you're aware of that. 02:18:09
And then I became aware of the cardinal connection. 02:18:11
And by the year after my son was killed, I thought, hey. 02:18:14
They'll never, they'll never raise the money to build a tree on Touch County without some kind of help. 02:18:17
And so I talked with the Gold Star, one of the Gold Star families from Beaver Dam in particular. 02:18:22
We got together, met with many other gold stamp. 02:18:28
Gold Star families throughout the state. 02:18:32
And would we want to put our name behind an effort like this? 02:18:34
And and we thought it would be a good idea and make something good out of a bad situation and a trail that was not getting funded. 02:18:39
That we could put something to it. So more than just a recreational trail. 02:18:47
Although. 02:18:52
This trail does stand alone without the Gold Star. 02:18:53
Endorsement. 02:18:57
And dot study this at length in it and it does it stands totally on its own for all the merits I'm sure that you're aware of 02:18:59
mental. 02:19:03
Tourism. 02:19:06
Everything else like that. 02:19:08
And and to address the concerns of the other land owners that. 02:19:09
The cold start families don't want to harm anybody. We don't want to. 02:19:12
Hurt anybody's land. We want to accommodate them. 02:19:16
I mean, our goal is a very positive goal, adding our name to this. 02:19:19
So what? What happened and why this phase two? How did this phase two get here? Built old livid about it. 02:19:24
Originally we were going to probably go out Hwy. E. 02:19:30
But what happened is our families meet at different times and different places throughout the year. One of the places is at the 02:19:33
executive residence. 02:19:37
We had the help of Governor Walker for phase one. In phase two, it's been, Governor Evers been. 02:19:42
Accommodating all the Gold Star families. 02:19:47
To get the grants, it's it's hard to get grants, it's hard to raise money. 02:19:49
And that phase? 02:19:53
Actually these, these faces, we've had over 500 people give money and participate. Actually more than that when I just thought of 02:19:54
that. 02:19:57
Big, that big band event, we probably had eight or 900 people there. We're talking hundreds of people from Dodge County are 02:20:00
involved in this, not like. 02:20:03
5 people and 10 people. This is a community driven event. 02:20:07
And it was hard we that that first phase, we raised it 10 bucks a time, 20 bucks a time. It wasn't, it wasn't. 02:20:11
It was not all big donations, Yes we did get some big ones like from Saint Agnes $50,000. 02:20:17
And we got some others. 02:20:23
From the manufacturers Mac and others like that. 02:20:25
But the way phase two worked is the Gold Star families. Many of us were meeting in Madison with the governor. 02:20:28
And we asked them would he support phase two because we know that TAP grants are political in the fact that. 02:20:34
Everyone applies for tech grant, but how do you win a TAP grant? You need to have the favor of the executive of the state of 02:20:42
Wisconsin. That's how you get a TAP grant. And so we asked the governor said, Sir, would you support? 02:20:48
If we, if we. 02:20:53
Wanted to build this next phase. Would you? Would you and your administration support it? 02:20:55
And he said yes, yes we would. 02:20:59
And, and I said, OK, well, how do we make that happen? He says. Well. 02:21:01
Just tell me who you want to the meeting and we'll make it happen. So about 60 days later, right after we. 02:21:05
Opened. 02:21:11
Phase One. 02:21:12
We had Gold Star families met with the governor in Christmastime. 02:21:14
And. 02:21:17
I took Bill. 02:21:18
Nate Olson. 02:21:21
And I asked the governor to have the secretary of Transportation. 02:21:22
Craig Thompson. 02:21:26
The grant writer for the state of Wisconsin. His policy advisor. 02:21:27
And he said anyone you want will be supported this. And so when we met with at the governor's office, the way this really happened 02:21:31
is. 02:21:34
On his big table we had. We had all the. 02:21:37
Maps for Dodge County in this area and I walked in the room and the first thing they said we can give you guys a $3,000,000 grant 02:21:40
today. 02:21:44
So discouraged because we'd have 600,000 cash right then to take that says, I'm sorry, we, we cannot accept that. Thank you for 02:21:48
helping us. And he said, well, how about we build it in segments? So that's why the segments that came from, from that, that 02:21:53
concept. You have half a minute yet half a minute yet. 02:21:58
OK, anyway, I just wanted to let you know that that's how that that's how this this came about the background on this and so. 02:22:03
The dot folks are the ones that suggested. 02:22:10
Along Hwy. 3233 for safety and for many other reasons and then the railroad corridor because the state owns that. So that's that's 02:22:13
the background in this. Anyway, I just want to say say I'm talking in support of this. 02:22:18
There's many, many people supporting this throughout our community and we certainly hope that this can be finished. 02:22:24
Thank you. 02:22:30
Thank you. Anybody else come forward, speak in favor. 02:22:33
Hi, my name is John Kuhn. 02:22:41
And I'm a resident of Dodge County, but not necessarily in this area, but I do a lot of biking. 02:22:43
In Dodge County and. 02:22:49
Can't emphasize enough the safety aspect. 02:22:50
Health and safety aspect. 02:22:54
But what I really want to bring? 02:22:56
That nobody's really mentioned yet is we've? 02:22:58
There's been all this fundraising, all this planning and. 02:23:01
This is something. 02:23:04
That generations. 02:23:05
Of people after us. 02:23:08
Can take advantage of. 02:23:10
So it's not just. 02:23:12
For us right now, it's for. 02:23:14
Future growth of the community and for families to use for years and years and generations. I just want to. 02:23:17
Be sure that people realize that how important it is. 02:23:23
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in favor of? 02:23:31
This request, Anybody else like to come forward speak in favor of this request? 02:23:35
Good evening. 02:23:44
Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Andy Nelson. 02:23:45
And I'm a resident of Mayville. 02:23:48
And. 02:23:50
Helped. 02:23:52
Get the phase the first phase of this project. 02:23:54
Constructed and have. 02:23:57
Been cheering the groups along as they've. 02:23:59
Continued this effort. 02:24:01
This project. 02:24:03
Is. 02:24:05
As the gentleman before we mentioned, really a multi generational opportunity. 02:24:06
For our communities. 02:24:10
Comes around maybe every. 02:24:14
40 years is what it sounds like. 02:24:16
And. 02:24:18
It's something that's going to last a very long time. 02:24:19
I'm a frequent and avid user of phase one. 02:24:22
And I take. 02:24:26
A lot of enjoyment from seeing families. 02:24:29
Of all ages using the trail. 02:24:32
And particularly I enjoy seeing the conversations that are happening groups of friends. 02:24:36
Couples, moms and dads, etc that are using it. 02:24:40
So I think there's a. 02:24:44
A lot of. 02:24:46
Physical well-being as well as mental and social opportunities that come from these trails. 02:24:48
And, and really, it's a rare opportunity. 02:24:55
For all of us. 02:24:58
To. 02:25:00
Make a lasting effect. 02:25:01
In a good way. 02:25:02
For uh. 02:25:04
Posterity. 02:25:05
To address some of the concerns that may be out there, when we were working hard to make phase one happen, there was a lot of 02:25:08
angst. 02:25:13
About. 02:25:17
Motorized. 02:25:18
Equipment using it. Unsavory groups of people. 02:25:19
Mischief, etc. 02:25:25
And really, none of those things has materialized. 02:25:26
I've never seen a motorized. 02:25:30
Machine running on that trail it's. 02:25:34
Just people. 02:25:37
Pushing pedals and. 02:25:38
Laying down their feet, taking steps along the way. 02:25:40
So I'm a very strong supporter. 02:25:43
Of. 02:25:46
This new phase of the project. 02:25:47
I applaud the efforts of all the volunteers and the staff who have worked so long and so hard. 02:25:49
And creatively to bring all this. 02:25:55
Money to the table and to bring us to this opportunity. 02:25:57
I empathize. 02:26:03
With some of the land owners that live along this route and some of the concerns that they may have. 02:26:04
With this new development. 02:26:10
I'm a landowner and. 02:26:13
I've got. 02:26:15
Some easements that cross my property and I've had to work through those. 02:26:16
So I understand where they're coming from. 02:26:20
And I can assure. 02:26:24
You that you're working with very good and reputable people at the county who are going to. 02:26:26
Follow through on their commitments. 02:26:32
To honor whatever. 02:26:34
Requirements and requests. 02:26:36
That come up along the way. 02:26:39
So. 02:26:41
Ultimately like. 02:26:42
That old movie says. 02:26:44
If you build it. 02:26:46
They will come. 02:26:48
And it will be good for everyone. 02:26:49
Good for property values, good for economic opportunity. 02:26:52
And personally, I'm confident we've saved at least one life. 02:26:56
Along Hwy. 28 already by providing a trail. 02:27:00
To separate these users from traffic. 02:27:03
And I'm sure that this trail. 02:27:06
Is going to. 02:27:08
Provide a great opportunities. 02:27:09
That are safe. 02:27:12
For friends, family and the community at large. 02:27:13
Thank you very much. 02:27:16
Thank you. Anybody else? 02:27:20
Like to come forward speak in favor of this variance. 02:27:22
I'm about as tall as Andy. OK. Hi, my name is Emily Dearinger. I live in threat. 02:27:29
I answered a personal ad for. 02:27:38
Residents to get involved with this trail back in 2015. 02:27:41
Before I had kids and more time. 02:27:45
But I had some experience and expertise. I used to work in Winnebago County doing. 02:27:49
This kind of work. 02:27:55
For my for profession, for my professional work. So I was really excited to get involved with a trail project in the community 02:27:56
that I live in. 02:28:00
Like I said, I live in Thoresa. 02:28:05
But maybe Ellen Horror kind of Beaver Dam have really become my. 02:28:07
Adopted Communities. 02:28:10
I work all over the county, I build relationships, I make connections. 02:28:13
With folks to make. 02:28:17
Cool things happen. 02:28:19
That make Dodge County a better place to live. 02:28:21
I'm one of the families, but. 02:28:36
Wants to use this trail. 02:28:38
Sorry, get that emotional. 02:28:40
I'm not the Laker spandex people. I'm not the avid bicyclist. I'm not going out for 25 miles at a clip because. 02:28:44
I'm not that in shape anymore. 02:28:50
And my kids are five and eight and they don't, they don't ride their bikes that fast. 02:28:53
I really love this trail to go to the wrestle. 02:29:00
But I don't think that's in the cards in my lifetime. But you never know. 02:29:02
So I'm I'm in support of this trail. 02:29:10
I'm also really sympathetic of the land owners. My husband and I own a couple different processes as well. We don't have a cool 02:29:13
trail on ours. We have a windmill and we have some snowmobile trails. 02:29:18
So when the snowmobilers hit one of our. 02:29:25
Our our pipes for our. 02:29:28
A septic. We were on them real fast and then they were very apologetic about it and they made some recommendations to some trailer 02:29:31
runners and then apparently got fixed and we got a free fish fry. 02:29:36
But my point of that is. 02:29:42
That as land owners, you have every right to make any complaints you want at any point in time. 02:29:44
For anyone that's using this trail, because we know that you're doing us a favor. 02:29:49
By allowing these easements to go along your parcels on your property. 02:29:53
It's it's something that I'm. 02:30:00
Really hopeful that will happen. 02:30:01
It's something that. 02:30:07
I think that. 02:30:09
Really. Umm. 02:30:10
Is pretty unique. 02:30:10
In the state of Wisconsin, for as much as I know about all other, you know, kind of trails. 02:30:12
Like this, they're either old billion real beds. 02:30:17
Or the the state or the feds coming in? 02:30:21
And kind of putting this in where this. 02:30:25
This project is. 02:30:28
Really. 02:30:29
Out community growth. 02:30:30
And community supported. 02:30:33
That's all. 02:30:36
Thank you. Anybody else like to come forward and speak in favor of? 02:30:39
This variance request. Anybody else like to come forward and speak in favor of this request? 02:30:43
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in favor of this request? 02:30:47
There anybody like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 02:30:51
Is there anybody in the audience that would like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? 02:30:54
My name is Ryan Nell, I am one of the land owners on the corner of East Road and 33 with FWR and L Farms. We are opposed to this 02:31:09
going through. 02:31:14
We are requested that a temporary and permanent easement is needed from us. 02:31:19
Actually, something that was kind of brought up that just hit me after listening, everyone was talking safety. 02:31:23
And I don't know how many people travel 33 with equipment, farming equipment, anything like that. It is not an enjoyable place to 02:31:28
drive. I have a sister that drives a semi that we hate pulling out of that field. Something that just crossed my mind is. 02:31:34
What's going to happen with the other traffic on this trail? 02:31:41
What if I'm bringing a semi in and out or piece of equipment? 02:31:44
They don't stop. 02:31:47
And I have to stop a piece equipment mill Rd. I get hit. 02:31:49
Maybe that hasn't happened anywhere else, but that's just something that just thought in my head here. 02:31:53
I don't know the answer to that one, but I don't want to see a young. 02:31:58
Child and a bike or anything get hit. 02:32:02
That was just something that popped in my head. 02:32:04
Other concerns that we've had, we just filed this field. I know there's going to be water issues going forward anytime there's a 02:32:07
project like this. 02:32:10
It happens. 02:32:13
This is something that a lot of people are going to probably laugh at, but we run on autonomous equipment. 02:32:16
Straight lines are everything to us. 02:32:20
This easement is going to put 2 culverts in the way for us that I have to go around as well as we have a driveway and a loading 02:32:23
pad. That is going to be an issue as well. And I also speak here for some of the homeowners where to have a trail right in front 02:32:28
of their house, they have to have people there. 02:32:33
They bought the property to be in the country, did not have anyone by them. 02:32:38
You know I do not live personally on this property. 02:32:41
But I. 02:32:44
I'm up there all the time. I am the one moving equipment in and out. 02:32:45
And. 02:32:48
We're just opposed to having it. 02:32:48
All right. Thank you. As anybody else would like to come forward and speak in opposition. 02:32:53
To this request. 02:32:56
Good evening. 02:33:06
My name is Sean Lepple. 02:33:07
I don't live on. 02:33:08
The property. 02:33:10
We just have a farm field just like the other gentleman. 02:33:11
Our big concerns? 02:33:15
We don't per SE have a driveway into our field. We have to share it with a. 02:33:17
Residents. 02:33:23
And then we have to turn. 02:33:24
Where this new trail will be? 02:33:26
Proposed. 02:33:28
So we're going to be taking our equipment. 02:33:29
Kitty corner across this trail. 02:33:32
Damage to the asphalt. 02:33:36
Who down the road will be viable to pay for that? 02:33:38
Just like he mentioned, we come in and out of that driveway only. 02:33:42
One Direction. 02:33:46
Because we can't get across the road, the traffic is so bad. 02:33:47
And we all talked as a group. 02:33:51
Stop signs by. 02:33:54
The crossings for the field roads. 02:33:56
Are they going to be stopping? And what if we hit somebody? 02:34:00
You know these are all real problems. 02:34:03
You know, and then the trail is going to be right along the field edge. Just normal farming practices, spraying. 02:34:06
Dust. 02:34:13
Debris flying out of the combined. 02:34:15
I don't know. 02:34:19
Farmers are the doormat to the world it seems like as of late. 02:34:20
Not stereotyping, but. 02:34:24
Just kind of the MO were given. 02:34:26
And yeah. 02:34:29
Thank you. 02:34:31
Anybody else want to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? 02:34:34
Good evening. I'm Michael Bakke W 5882. I'm the South end of Minnesota Junction here. 02:34:46
Neighbors to Nell's. 02:34:53
Not exactly opposed to it, but I'm definitely not in favor of it. 02:34:56
I do have some current concerns still. 02:35:01
Which is the main reason why we were here was to kind of get some of those answers. 02:35:03
Yeah, but my wife and I. 02:35:08
Moved out here. 02:35:11
Where we were for the privacy. 02:35:12
We didn't want to have people coming right through. Yes, we have used the state trail. 02:35:14
That is away from us, and we've walked with our families to that trail on 33. 02:35:18
It's not the end of the world. 02:35:23
But. 02:35:25
Having a drill in front yard. 02:35:26
Does kind of. 02:35:28
I'm not fully for it. 02:35:31
I'm not exactly against it, so I just want to be on record saying that. 02:35:33
So thank you. 02:35:37
Anybody else? 02:35:41
Like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request. 02:35:43
Anybody in the audience that come forward and speak? 02:35:46
In opposition. 02:35:50
I am Ross Everly. 02:36:01
W5548 I'm not saying my mom. 02:36:02
The Eberly Farm. This trail will come. 02:36:06
17 feet from the front door. 02:36:09
She's 86. She doesn't feel. 02:36:13
Real good about all the traffic. I don't know. 02:36:16
How many people be going back and forth but. 02:36:19
Pretty close. 02:36:24
So. 02:36:28
Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this variance request? 02:36:32
Anybody in the audience? 02:36:36
My. 02:36:48
Another landowner under out. 02:36:50
Pretty much what everybody say. I fire in the fields there and. 02:36:54
Yeah, I know it's. 02:36:58
Be a hassle to do it the way. 02:36:59
Farmers are that things gonna be right next to our fields. 02:37:01
We're all trying to maneuver our sprayers and our planters and everything else around. 02:37:05
Now we got to worry about that too. 02:37:10
It's going to affect our lifestyle, which I get it. I mean, I'm. 02:37:12
You know, sat here for how many hours? I'm pretty happy it's not a. 02:37:16
Miami, that's going to be next. 02:37:19
We've got probably moving on, Dodge told you that. 02:37:23
But uh. 02:37:26
You know, I get it, the trails can be nice for some people. I. 02:37:28
I also got the opinion that. 02:37:31
Kind of a waste of taxpayer money, I think. 02:37:33
$2,000,000 could be found a better project than this. 02:37:36
For the. 02:37:39
General public. 02:37:41
You know how many people really use this trail? 02:37:42
50. 02:37:47
Out of Dodge County. I mean, it just seems like a lot of money for that. 02:37:48
But that's just my opinion and. 02:37:52
That's it. Anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition to this request? Anybody present that would like to come 02:37:55
forward, speak in opposition? 02:38:00
Is there anybody else like to come forward and speak in opposition? 02:38:05
To this request. 02:38:08
Anything. Written correspondence? 02:38:12
Along that line. 02:38:14
Let's see, I have. 02:38:21
Frederick. 02:38:25
Schwarzberger. 02:38:27
As a property owner along the. 02:38:29
Proposed extension of the Gold Star Memorial Trail from. 02:38:31
City View Blvd. in Horicon. 02:38:35
To the Wild Goose Trail, I support this important project. I have agreed to the requested easement and encourage fellow land 02:38:39
owners to also grant the right. 02:38:44
Of way. 02:38:50
Since extending the trail westward would provide lasting benefits to the recreational vitality of the Dodge County. 02:38:51
This initiative is a significant investment to our future and timely cooperation will help secure. 02:38:59
Project funding. 02:39:05
Thank you for your continued leadership and making the Gold Star Memorial Trail a patriotic reality. 02:39:06
Next we have Judy McNamara. 02:39:15
This may be the last as I just got this to. 02:39:22
This may be late because I just got this today. 02:39:26
When I lived in Juneau, I walked the trail every day. 02:39:29
Come rain or shine, in the process it helped me lose 80 lbs. 02:39:32
When my daughter lived near the trail, we used to walk our dogs quite often at the same trail. 02:39:38
This is a very beneficial addition to the Dodge to Dodge County and I know from experience many people use it walking, biking, 02:39:45
etc. 02:39:49
While my life has changed dramatically since then, I am a firm believer that the expansion would be great. 02:39:53
My dear friend, Virginia Sale. 02:40:00
Was the one person. 02:40:04
I give credit to making me aware of this wonderful trail. I urge you to add the expansion to the trail. Thank you sincerely. Judy 02:40:07
McNamara. Mayville, WI. 02:40:12
Next. 02:40:19
Jeannie, Jenny. Jeannie Soul. See Home. 02:40:20
I am Virginia. 02:40:26
Jeannie. 02:40:27
Wife of racy home Ray retired at John Deere Horcon. 02:40:28
Worked for several years to the. 02:40:33
In the personnel department, I'm a registered nurse. I worked. 02:40:36
At Beaver Dam Hospital. 02:40:41
Plus other nursing jobs. 02:40:43
When we both retired, we opened the ice cream station in Horicon. 02:40:45
Some 40 years ago. 02:40:50
I was involved in a project. 02:40:51
That started. 02:40:54
The West Gold Star Trail. 02:40:57
Wisconsin Gold Star Trail It wasn't easy, but through bake sales, great community and business support, we collected enough 02:41:01
funding. 02:41:05
To eventually build the 1st 6 miles of the bicycle trail with some grants. 02:41:08
Those writers eat food at our area restaurants, food produced by local farmers. 02:41:13
Staying in local motels and bought pumpkins from John and Everly's pumpkin farm. 02:41:19
Taxes from the riders also benefited Dodge County farmers, laborers, business owners and retirees. 02:41:25
I am now 89 years old. 02:41:33
Nearly 90 very soon. 02:41:35
I was impressed by the Johnson family who spearheaded the memorial trail and. 02:41:38
Horror condom Mayville. 02:41:43
To honor their son who was killed in the war defending our country. 02:41:45
My son, Colonel Lane, a pilot with the Air Force, died March of 2023 from esophageal cancer. 02:41:49
Which the Veterans Administration decided from the fire pits and other toxins that the burning in Afghanistan. 02:41:57
Rock while their aircraft waited for loading. 02:42:04
To load injured military people. 02:42:08
Along with the Johnson family son who was killed, there are. 02:42:10
We lost two other wonderful sons of Dodge County. 02:42:14
I am now 89 years old. 02:42:17
Nearly 90, it has been my dream to finish the project before my death, which could be anytime soon. Sadly, Ray, my husband, also 02:42:20
died three months before our son. 02:42:25
Federal grant of 1.1. 02:42:30
$1,000,000 may well be lost. 02:42:32
If we fail to take advantage of the offer. 02:42:35
Next, Andrew Wentworth. 02:42:39
I served in the Marine. 02:42:42
Marine Corps. 02:42:43
That's it then? Nope. 02:42:58
Somebody else want to read? 02:43:00
OK. 02:43:02
This is from Andrew Wentworth. 02:43:09
I served in the Marine. 02:43:13
Corpse during Operation Iraqi Freedom to in Iraq alongside Lance Corporal Ryan Catapio, one of Dodge County's fallen servicemen. 02:43:14
And I was on the same patrol with him on Thanksgiving night in 2004 when he was tragically killed defending our nation. 02:43:24
I strongly support the expansion of the Gold Star Memorial Trail in Dodge County to honor him and all our local heroes who 02:43:32
sacrificed their lives. 02:43:36
In armed conflict. 02:43:41
This trail not only keeps their memories alive but also benefits our community by offering essential opportunities. 02:43:43
For exercise, a peaceful escape into nature and quiet moments. 02:43:51
To pause. 02:43:56
Is still and reflect on the liberty we've been given by those brave men who volunteered to protect us. 02:43:57
Addressing vital needs that are widely lacking in modern society. 02:44:04
Extending it ensures their profound legacy continues to inspire resilience, gratitude and appreciation in Dodge County for 02:44:09
generations to come. 02:44:14
Sorry, I'm a marine so. 02:44:25
BJ Ganeman. 02:44:36
I also am willing to put my support behind. 02:44:38
What Andy wrote as we were in the same unit and feel the same way. 02:44:42
That's it. 02:44:48
All right. Committee, have any questions? 02:44:56
Can I comment? 02:45:03
Well, I suppose. 02:45:05
This will be short just a couple things I wanted to say. I have a brother who was a. 02:45:11
Hit by motorists not once by but twice. He had a broken collarbone one time and. 02:45:16
Broken hip to the next. 02:45:21
This trail will make it safer. 02:45:24
For Bicyc. 02:45:27
And also. 02:45:29
When I was in second grade, I was a pallbearer. 02:45:31
For one of my friends who was run over by a car. 02:45:33
Riding his bicycle. 02:45:36
Which we had the trails back then. 02:45:40
Thanks. 02:45:42
How did he come to the base farm track of? 02:45:47
80 What is it? Based farm track figured here on this. 02:45:50
Boilerplate application and. 02:45:54
So yeah, you want me to answer that one? No. 02:45:58
No, I have no idea. 02:46:01
So, so so the whole wherever that portion would have gone through. 02:46:03
The base farm track was designated in 2012. 02:46:10
For these properties that are under A1. 02:46:14
Prime farmland. 02:46:17
So that base farm track. 02:46:18
Covers encompasses that whole. 02:46:20
Parcel. 02:46:22
And then whatever little segment that was going through that parcel, it just counts towards that. 02:46:24
Mathematical equation. 02:46:30
We're we're, we're against a a wall here. 02:46:37
Timing. 02:46:41
Could the easements? 02:46:43
Could have that project started earlier rather than. 02:46:44
Later. 02:46:48
Because all of a sudden it's like, well, we have to have this done by next month, but we have easements to get yet and we're we're 02:46:49
being squeezed here. 02:46:53
Yes, yeah, it's been a challenge. So going through this federal. 02:46:58
Process. 02:47:02
Is. 02:47:03
Extremely time consuming. 02:47:05
It took a long time for us to get the actual agreements and to get going with. 02:47:06
Getting a consultant on board to do the designs and it's taken that long to get through all the processes we did. 02:47:13
We did actually start some discussions with we had a meeting. 02:47:21
I think in 24. 02:47:26
I'm remembering August 24th before the we really got. 02:47:29
Into some of the nuts and bolts of it. 02:47:32
And we tried to get. 02:47:36
Droughts. What the concerns were so that the designs could be. 02:47:37
Kind of established from there. 02:47:41
There's been. 02:47:44
We've reached out. 02:47:46
For the last several months. 02:47:48
And now it's just coming down to this. 02:47:50
You know to this deadline here. 02:47:53
And and we have to commence construction by mid August. 02:47:57
And to meet that timeline with all the other. 02:48:02
Processes that have to be approved through the state. 02:48:06
And the. 02:48:09
Thanks. 02:48:11
We really need to get everything. 02:48:13
Buttoned up. 02:48:15
In February, yeah, I met. 02:48:16
It's just the way it's gone. 02:48:18
Yeah, So what if you don't get all the easements? 02:48:21
So there are some. 02:48:24
Modifications that are possible? 02:48:27
They do add costs to the project. 02:48:31
They create some. 02:48:34
Wonky looking culvert. 02:48:36
Options, as was mentioned, concerned about culverts coming in. 02:48:38
We can adjust some of them. 02:48:42
But then they will. 02:48:45
They're kind of weird looking, but there, so there are some things we can do. 02:48:49
There might be some options to shift a little bit closer to the road. 02:48:53
I think I put think there was 29. 02:48:58
Foot set back from traveled way. 02:49:00
We try to maintain, I think it's 25 to 30. 02:49:03
Foot. So we have a little bit of movement. 02:49:07
Obviously we're looking at safety off the road. If vehicle does leave the roadway, the. 02:49:10
But. 02:49:16
We can in some areas we may be able to shift one or two feet that would would eliminate some of the. 02:49:18
Grading portions, but it's really the culverts that we need to maintain the drainage. 02:49:24
In there and those are where the permanent easements are. 02:49:29
There's not a not the ability to get rid of those. 02:49:34
Completely so we there are. 02:49:37
Those things that. 02:49:39
That we need to have some modifications might be possible. 02:49:41
And that's where we just want to discuss. 02:49:45
And see what what might. 02:49:47
What we might be able to workout. 02:49:49
So have there been any thoughts on how you can? 02:49:51
Make users of the trail safer with armor kingly crossing the trail to. 02:49:55
I run a lot of. 02:50:00
Farm equipment and. 02:50:00
I can see that being an issue. 02:50:02
So we have, well, they said we our Wild Goose Trail has 20 miles. 02:50:03
Within Dodge County and we have several. 02:50:09
Farm crossings in there that we've been operating for. 02:50:12
Said 40 years. 02:50:16
Roughly about a quite 4035 years that we've actually had it open. 02:50:17
To my knowledge, we have not had any really major issues with that. 02:50:24
Areas where we do. 02:50:28
Where there might be a lot of. 02:50:30
Traffic in there, that makes sense. We have. Usually it's on residential driveways. 02:50:32
More commercial properties, we'll put a stop sign. 02:50:38
And. 02:50:41
And in the responsibility is on those riders. 02:50:43
To stop there. 02:50:46
Not saying that everybody is going to stop. 02:50:47
But there's plenty of clear space there's. We're not going to, we're not dealing with any. 02:50:50
High speed crossings we're actually dealing with fairly. 02:50:55
The the. 02:51:01
The incidence of. 02:51:03
Equipment going in and out. 02:51:06
When we have. 02:51:07
Bikers crossing are probably not that. 02:51:09
Often. 02:51:12
But each can see each other. 02:51:15
We have not had issues. 02:51:19
And that in all our experience, years of experience on that. 02:51:21
Not going to say that it's never that we've never had a close call or something, but. 02:51:26
To my knowledge, we've never had an issue with that. 02:51:31
And if we do have an issue where? 02:51:34
I think several years ago there was some on the Wild Goose trail. There was some concerns. 02:51:37
And we've added stop signs where we felt it was necessary. 02:51:43
In those areas. 02:51:47
If I could, I would like to address the non motorized. 02:51:49
We are not allowed to make this a motorized. 02:51:53
Trail so it is it is non motorized. 02:51:56
We still have to. 02:52:01
Address Ebikes. 02:52:02
I officially. 02:52:05
But in general, you know, he bikes are expanding. 02:52:06
They don't make noise. 02:52:11
They they will. 02:52:12
This trail will allow. 02:52:14
Somebody on an E bike from. 02:52:16
To commute from Horicon to Juno and vice versa. 02:52:17
Almost as quickly as a car. 02:52:22
You know, it's, it's one of those things that. 02:52:23
You we're going to see a lot more commuting. 02:52:25
And less vehicle traffic. 02:52:28
Overall. 02:52:31
With something like this. So that's that's one of the side benefits and that's why it's a Department of Transportation grant. It's 02:52:32
for active transportation and trying to. 02:52:37
Encourage. 02:52:43
Less vehicle trips. 02:52:45
And more. 02:52:47
More bike trips. 02:52:49
So non motorized is not permitted. 02:52:51
If if something does happen out there. 02:52:55
Law enforcement. 02:52:58
Are to be notified and we will address that. 02:52:59
Again so. 02:53:01
Does an E bike have a motor? 02:53:05
So it yeah. 02:53:07
The issue with the bikes, there are some different levels. 02:53:11
The way we're kind of leaning on this is that. 02:53:15
If you can't pay. 02:53:20
It's not allowed. 02:53:22
So. 02:53:24
There's E bikes that you can just step on, you know, hit the gas and we'll go. But if you can't pedal it. 02:53:26
And your own power. 02:53:31
Manpower. Uh. 02:53:33
We don't want it out there. We that's something that's an official policy. We need to right now. It's. 02:53:35
Technically considered a motorized and not not allowed on the trails. 02:53:40
We don't enforce that portion. 02:53:45
But. 02:53:47
So but. 02:53:51
As far as gas powered motors know. 02:53:52
And I just want to reiterate that the trail is. 02:53:57
Fully within the the trail itself, the 10 foot asphalt is fully within the right of the current right of way. So we are not 02:53:59
needing. 02:54:04
Land outside of that to actually. 02:54:08
Put the physical trail. 02:54:10
So there will be a buffer between the property line. 02:54:12
And the and the trail itself. 02:54:15
The as far as driveway crossings, we do beef those up. 02:54:20
They are extra thick asphalt and extra wide. 02:54:25
To accommodate. 02:54:29
Turning vehicles or. 02:54:30
You know, access. 02:54:33
Access issues in there. 02:54:34
And and certainly that's something we can look at further if there's, and I know that was. 02:54:37
Was brought up previously. 02:54:42
That is something we can certainly work into the designs and make adjustments to accommodate that. 02:54:44
Now I don't know if it was a specific one. 02:54:49
There is an issue with Department of Transportation. 02:54:53
Allowing certain. 02:54:57
Access. 02:54:59
Things that may have been done previously. 02:55:00
That are that they don't want to see. 02:55:03
Angled. 02:55:06
Access or things like that. So. 02:55:06
So those are things that we have to work within their parameters. 02:55:10
As well. 02:55:14
Um. 02:55:16
Yeah. And I guess I would just. 02:55:20
Like to reiterate that. 02:55:22
You know this is a generational project. 02:55:25
It's taken us, you know, that we've been trying to do this for 30 some years. We finally have the opportunity. 02:55:27
With the funding and the support. 02:55:33
If if this does not happen. 02:55:37
I I dare say that. 02:55:39
It will never happen. It will never get a connection between. 02:55:41
Communities and the Wild Goose Trail. 02:55:44
And and that's. 02:55:48
Sad with all the. 02:55:50
The The history of trails shows that once they're in. 02:55:54
People use them. 02:55:59
People want them. 02:56:01
They are good for our community. 02:56:02
Well, and it's getting awfully late and I apologize, but. 02:56:07
This is one question I have yet and I have to turn farm equipment onto Hwy. 60 and that's not much difference in Hwy. 33. 02:56:12
And when I come to that highway. 02:56:20
The last thing I would really want to worry about is another crossing right there, either going off of it or coming onto it. I 02:56:22
mean that traffic is going at 65 miles an hour. 02:56:27
And they don't stop on that road when you come. 02:56:33
Equipment. 02:56:36
And you're worried about that and all of a sudden, something. 02:56:36
In your peripheral you miss. 02:56:39
That would be where that trail is going and I'm not real confident. 02:56:42
With having a trail right next to a. 02:56:46
State highway like that. 02:56:48
Even all your arm twisting isn't. 02:56:52
Settling me on that. 02:56:54
You know it, it's we're not the first to do these. There's. 02:56:56
You know history of these. 02:57:01
And I can tell you is our history. We have not had those issues. 02:57:04
And. 02:57:10
You know the the users of the trail are cognizant of. 02:57:12
They need to be cognizant of what. 02:57:16
You know what's surrounding them and if, well, you hope there's something there. I hope so. 02:57:18
But you're you very have very low speeds. 02:57:23
For for biking. 02:57:26
And and walking. 02:57:27
So. 02:57:29
The users of the trail recognize. 02:57:30
The land owners. 02:57:34
You know, mentioned here. 02:57:35
They recognize. 02:57:38
What they're up against here. 02:57:41
They are not. 02:57:45
They're interested in getting from A to B, not stopping. 02:57:48
Not hanging out. 02:57:52
Not invading privacy or anything like that. 02:57:56
So. 02:57:59
Any other questions? 02:58:04
And for me. 02:58:07
Anything else you'd like to add? 02:58:09
Mr. Ellen Bach. 02:58:12
I think I said enough. 02:58:14
You think so? 02:58:16
There's more. I could, but yeah. 02:58:18
Don't want to be here. 02:58:20
Any longer than we have. 02:58:21
All right, we'll close the public hearing. Let's move on to conclusions of law. 02:58:23
Based on the facts presented in the application and at the public hearing, the committee concludes that. 02:58:27
236-F2 Is the project compatible with adjacent uses in terms of scale, site design and operating characteristics? 02:58:34
Well, I guess that would qualify there. 02:58:45
236 F 3 Will the proposed. 02:58:49
Use use be significantly detrimental. 02:58:53
To the public health, safety and welfare. 02:58:57
Well, here's where I'm going to say I'm not. 02:59:01
I am not satisfied yet, I mean. 02:59:03
Significantly detrimental Do we How many people do we have to? 02:59:06
Hit with farm machinery for its is significant so. 02:59:10
I mean. 02:59:14
Whatever the committee is going to vote here, I'm. 02:59:15
I'm concerned about that safety issue with farm equipment yet because I know how it goes getting onto these busy. 02:59:19
I would say no because like what I said before. 02:59:26
My brother's been hit by. 02:59:31
Vehicles a couple times. 02:59:33
Riding on highway. 02:59:34
If there was trails. 02:59:36
Maybe not so I think. 02:59:37
That a trail will be. 02:59:39
Than the highway. 02:59:41
What do you think, Larry? 02:59:42
I would agree. 02:59:44
You're evil him. 02:59:45
Dale, I drive on roads too. I have to get on Hwy. 33 two and it scares me to death with the traffic on it, you know? Yeah. 02:59:47
I'm got my eyes in the traffic. 02:59:54
I know, I know something else. 02:59:56
I think there's got to be warning spins up there that does. 02:59:59
Egg equipment moving in and out, you know. 03:00:02
To warn the people on the trail. 03:00:05
What do you think? 03:00:09
I agree. 03:00:12
I on the trail and on the road. 03:00:14
Yes. Umm. 03:00:15
Yeah, so we 3 say. 03:00:17
No one to say yes here. 03:00:21
So the nose there to. 03:00:26
What happens when you come with your farm equipment up to a bicycle on the road? 03:00:27
I don't have a bicycle on the road. They know not to be on there. OK, But I mean, yeah. 03:00:33
You have to worry about your. 03:00:38
10 foot wide. 03:00:42
Piece of machinery hauling down the road and you come up to a bicycle. What do you do? 03:00:45
We go on the shoulder. 03:00:48
And sometimes we take the grass because we've got to stay off that road we got. There's a bicycle going the same way as you. 03:00:50
Typically that doesn't happen. There's no bikes that want to be on those kind of highways. 03:00:57
But if they're in front of you. 03:01:02
They better move out of the way or else I gotta slow down. So that's another issue you're gonna start affecting. 03:01:04
Egg traffic and egg safety and safety of bikes. 03:01:09
It's one thing to turn off of a field and just go across. 03:01:15
The old railroad tracks to get to a road, I mean. 03:01:19
I don't know. 03:01:24
That's just my concern here. 03:01:24
I don't think it's been adequately. 03:01:27
Addressed. 03:01:29
The fact that we have some farmers here that aren't satisfied yet and that we're up against the. 03:01:32
Wall here with timing. 03:01:37
It would be really nice to. 03:01:38
Have another month on this, or two weeks even. 03:01:41
But I guess we don't. 03:01:44
So. 03:01:48
We have three votes that it will not be significantly detrimental to public health and two that say it will, so the majority says 03:01:50
no. 03:01:54
236-F4 Will the project cause a substantial decrease in value of other property in the neighborhood in which it is to be located? 03:02:01
Well-being on the road, I don't see it happening. 03:02:12
236-F5 our public safety, transportation and utility. 03:02:17
Facilities and services available to serve the subject property while maintaining. 03:02:22
Maintaining sufficient levels of service for existing development. 03:02:28
That there are. 03:02:33
236-F6. 03:02:36
Are there adequate assurances of continuing maintenance for the project? 03:02:39
There are. 03:02:44
236-F7. 03:02:46
Will there be any significant adverse impacts on the natural environment that require mitigation? 03:02:48
I believe not. 03:02:56
236 F 8. 03:02:58
Is the project located in any hazard areas? 03:03:00
Was it? 03:03:04
No, OK. 03:03:07
236-F1 Does the proposed project comply with all applicable provisions? 03:03:11
Of this code for the A1 agricultural. 03:03:18
A2 general agricultural. R1 single family residential. C2 extensive commercial. 03:03:22
I-1 light industrial zoning districts. 03:03:30
Yes, I believe it does. 03:03:34
Are any conditions for approval needed in this case to mitigate any potential adverse impacts? 03:03:37
On the properties. 03:03:44
The environment or the communities? 03:03:45
We had five read into the record. Are we? 03:03:48
In agreement with those 5. 03:03:53
As we went through. 03:03:56
Or is there anything else you'd like to see? 03:03:58
Added as a. 03:04:02
I guess we'll go with those 5 then. 03:04:07
Does the committee believe that? 03:04:10
The conditional use permit request meets the approval criteria in Sections 236-F of the County Land Use Code. 03:04:12
Yes, yes. 03:04:22
There is one condition. 03:04:25
How about the right to farm? You think we should add that condition? 03:04:26
We can. 03:04:33
We just need to make sure that we get. 03:04:36
Is that something we can just add or is that sort of that? 03:04:41
Brought up with a combine with the spreader in the back, you know. 03:04:45
That's quite. 03:04:49
Service meeting, ma'am. 03:04:51
Usually right to farm is a is a statement put on a survey. 03:04:52
So it becomes. 03:04:57
Part of. 03:04:58
You know, see. 03:04:59
It's it's on the survey, but I think I've seen it in something like this. 03:05:02
Yeah, I suppose you can. 03:05:10
Conditional use as a condition. It's one of the conditions. Is that that? 03:05:12
It's not detrimental to the farming activities in the area. 03:05:17
And that it will. 03:05:22
If there is ever tight any type of judgment. 03:05:24
That that. 03:05:27
Could be a standard for the record to state, look, you know I have a right to farm this. 03:05:28
What's the committee thing? 03:05:35
Not a bad idea. I don't think it's a bad idea. 03:05:37
OK, let's put something like that on then. 03:05:40
Edition number six. So then that's six conditions. 03:05:43
Then we need a motion. 03:05:57
Entertain a motion. 03:06:00
I'll make a motion to approve the conditional use permit request based upon the previously mentioned. 03:06:01
Findings and conditions. 03:06:07
I'll certainly. 03:06:10
Motion in a second any. 03:06:13
Other conversation. 03:06:14
We'll call a vote. All those in favor signify by saying aye. 03:06:18
Aye, opposed. 03:06:22
I'll be opposed. 03:06:24
Motion carries. 03:06:26
On the basis of the above findings. 03:06:29
A fact Conclusions of law on the record in this matter. The committee granted preliminary approval of the conditional use permit 03:06:32
subject to the conditions listed above. 03:06:36
The Land Use Administrator is directed to issue a conditional use permit incorporating the decision. 03:06:40
Of the committee. 03:06:45
All right. 03:06:50
Public comment on anything that we haven't talked about tonight yet. 03:07:06
Nothing. All right. 03:07:15
You have to sign some paperwork. 03:07:17
Committee member reports there's usually none of those. 03:07:19
Just to. 03:07:23
Minutes. 03:07:24
That's the last one. 03:07:26
If they look at the minutes, what do you What is your? 03:07:30
Move approval. 03:07:33
Motion for approval. We have a motion for approval. I'll second that. All in favor approving. The minutes from last meeting 03:07:35
signify saying aye, aye. Opposed. Minutes approved. 03:07:40
We'll sign some papers. 03:07:46
January 26 going to be. 03:07:55
We have nothing. Nothing. 03:07:57
So let's cancel that meeting committee, OK with that. 03:07:59
No, I want to come. 03:08:02
Good comment, We won't be here, just split this one up. 03:08:05
Yeah, really. 03:08:08
So we just canceled next meeting. Then that'd be OK because nothing come out anymore, right? I can. Yeah, nothing can. Come on. It 03:08:10
would only be if there was something that did not need a public hearing notice. 03:08:17
Yeah, could be from Bill or something. 03:08:24
That bill will be canceled the next meeting and escape with you. There's no hearings. 03:08:27
We had fees, OK. Next meeting will be February 9. 03:08:34
And we have a lot, OK. 03:08:41
Just giving you a heads up right away, Supervisor Johnson. 03:08:44
Do you want a per diem? No. OK. 03:08:47
Very good. 03:08:53
We get a month. 03:08:57
No, I guess we have to sign things. We can do that after the meeting. No, we don't have anything to sign. OK. 03:09:02
10/08 by decision of the Chair. Meeting is adjourned. 03:09:09
Oh. 03:09:20
Wow, your office is all of a sudden. 03:09:26
When was ****? 03:09:36
He's a year older than me. 03:09:39
Come on. Yeah. And he's all. He was also a Marine. 03:09:42
So I understand it. Thank you. 03:09:47
Marine Camp, Pendleton First Persian Gulf. I've had towners interviewed. You know what? I was going to be internal. 03:09:54
For Dave or for ****? For Dave. 03:10:10
Just went yesterday. I don't know where that came from when this happened twice. 03:10:14
Drivers test twice. There you go. Yeah, sometimes you gotta learn it the hard way. 03:10:21
That. 03:10:27
Get up there, you need some help. Nice to meet you. 03:10:28
As well. 03:10:39
I'm done with the trails. 03:10:41
Who is the? 03:10:52