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I will call the meeting to order please. 00:00:02
Continue with the pledge. 00:00:05
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:07
Of the United States of America. 00:00:09
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:11
One nation under God. 00:00:14
Indivisible with the Regina Justice Girl. 00:00:16
Need to remind the supervisors to please press your attend button. 00:00:27
How many we got here? 00:01:03
Yep. 00:01:10
Randy, did we? 00:01:16
Should be, should be 26. 00:01:20
Yeah, but Hedrick has to mark herself present. 00:01:23
Jennifer. 00:01:28
Yep, that would be it, so you can tally. 00:01:38
OK. 00:01:41
Roll call has been taken. 00:01:42
What's your pleasure of the minutes from? 00:01:45
July 15th county board meeting. 00:01:48
And then the roll call supervisor bubbles. 00:01:50
Der Justin Cavazon Jin Clock Oh. 00:01:53
Miller and Verbos are excused. 00:01:56
Have a motion by Supervisor Bischoff and a second by Supervisor Belk. 00:02:06
Any questions? 00:02:10
Our corrections to the minutes. 00:02:12
Hearing none. 00:02:16
Seeing none all in favor signify by. 00:02:17
Aye, opposed. 00:02:21
That is Kerry. Thank you. 00:02:23
Communications on file. 00:02:25
I have no communications on file. 00:02:27
All right, all right. Now we'll have public comment and we will call you an order that they were signed in and we would ask the 00:02:30
person who's next, we will say who is next. 00:02:35
And be up here and ready to go because we have a full agenda. 00:02:40
Public comment and we are limited to 30 minutes. 00:02:44
OK. 00:02:48
So first we have a Brett. 00:02:49
Craig. Craig. 00:02:54
And to come up right after, please, Tom Pete's. 00:02:56
All right. Well, thank you, Chair, and thank you Dodge County Board members. 00:03:11
I'm Brett Craig. I am one of the owners and. 00:03:15
A developer with Kettleforge Golf. 00:03:18
I presume by now you've received our package of information by US mail or? 00:03:21
E-mail, so I presume we. 00:03:25
Had a chance to read that and clearly understand the contents. Just a. 00:03:27
Quickly review the project and move it into the rezone. 00:03:31
Petition that's at hand early tonight. 00:03:36
Number one. 00:03:38
As you're probably fully aware, the Dodge County allows. 00:03:40
District to permit conditional uses aligning with the rural character. 00:03:45
And preservation to the open space, including private recreational facilities and golf courses. 00:03:49
So it is in line with the zoning and land use. 00:03:54
For Dodge County. 00:03:58
#2. 00:03:59
This will be. 00:04:01
The DNR. Wisconsin State Statutes for Wisconsin Stewardship. 00:04:03
Environmental Stewardship. 00:04:08
We are actually working with the DNR as we speak. We're actually going to commit to actually returning some wetlands back to the 00:04:10
property that's being currently farm. 00:04:13
#3 will have significant economic impact. 00:04:18
On the Township as well as. 00:04:22
The county of the state. 00:04:24
Through taxation. 00:04:25
As well as revenue #4 the rezone for May 1, Day 2. 00:04:27
Which is 15.1 acres which is at hand tonight is currently going to be used for. 00:04:33
In support of the comprehensive plan for a practice range. 00:04:38
The practice ranges in not in alignment with precedence of any other golf courses being. 00:04:42
Established for building the state of Wisconsin. 00:04:46
They're roughly 500 golf courses in this state. 00:04:48
About 400. 00:04:51
Public. About 100 private. 00:04:52
And although most of those actually have practice. 00:04:54
There are rules. To date, the Township board has approved. 00:04:59
The comprehensive plan. 00:05:03
And the Dodge County Land and Resource Group has recommended the planning forward as such, approving the. 00:05:05
The reason of a 1 to 18 to 50.1 acres. 00:05:13
Also. 00:05:16
As I indicated, this is the precedence that's put in the state and look the case law. 00:05:19
And there's a lot of presidents in the state of Wisconsin. 2 minutes is done. 2 minutes. Thank you. 00:05:24
So next we have Tom Petes and. 00:05:31
If. 00:05:35
Timothy. 00:05:36
And Ringa. 00:05:37
Could come up and be ready after. 00:05:38
Pastor beats. 00:05:41
Pastor Tom Pete State Old Lutheran Church off of W 653 Roosevelt Rd. 00:05:43
I serve as pastor there for 9 years. 00:05:49
We are. 00:05:52
Right off a highway. Oh between 2 golf courses, deer track as well as Aaron Hills. 00:05:53
Several of our families own farms and are putting them into Tall Pines Conservancy and so preserving the land. 00:05:59
And when I discovered that 100 acres would be conserved and put into wetlands as well as Prairie and wildflowers. 00:06:07
I was thrilled we are doing that as well as a church that has 10 acres of farmland as well. 00:06:14
We have people in our congregation who have affirmed this decision, perhaps to to build. 00:06:20
We see employment opportunities as I have worked at Deer Track golf course as. 00:06:26
A Ranger. 00:06:31
And so there's opportunities with this. 00:06:32
Obviously it's a very unique situation. 00:06:34
But it's in land that is fertile and vital. 00:06:37
And could serve the community well. 00:06:41
Hey, thank you. 00:06:45
Next we have Tim and followed by. 00:06:46
Athena Big Mountain should be up on deck next. 00:06:49
Good evening again. My name is Timothy J and Bringa I'm A. 00:06:54
Attorney with the law firm of Criminal Malta LLP in Waukesha, Address 1601 Easter Scene Ave. in Waukesha. 00:06:58
I'm here on behalf of Kettle Forge Golf LLC. 00:07:06
Hopefully Ball had a chance to review my correspondence to all the supervisors. 00:07:09
I'm here on the Epic Kettle Forge because they're seeking petition to rezone 15.1 acres. 00:07:14
From A1 to A2 zoning. 00:07:19
For use as part of their golf course facility. 00:07:22
Kettle Forge owns 270.1 acres they bought it from. 00:07:25
Fullerton LLC. 00:07:29
Of the 270 acres in the town of Ashland, 255 of that acreage is already zoned AG. 00:07:31
They're not. None of this request relates to that, simply to the 15.1 acres. 00:07:38
The 15.1 acres is, according to my correspondence, is kind of a. 00:07:44
An island. Now it is separated and always was kind of an island. It is not attached to any other. 00:07:48
A1 zone property is separated by. 00:07:54
The roadway and it's also separated by the other property that's owned A2. 00:07:57
The petition is to rezone. It was unanimously supported by the Town Board for the Town of Action Pin. 00:08:02
It was supported by the Dodge County Resource Parks Department as a recommendation was favorable. 00:08:08
To the committee. 00:08:15
The zoning the rezone is consistent with the Town of Asheville's Comprehensive Plan. 00:08:17
Kettle for just stated in my letter. 00:08:22
Submits that the committee did not vote against. 00:08:24
The result? It was not an unfavorable recommendation, no. 00:08:28
Vault was made with respect to that. 00:08:33
Instead, in my opinion, technically there was no recommendation made. 00:08:35
They declined to recommend approval of it. 00:08:39
But they did not vote against it. 00:08:42
Can't afford? Respectfully asks. 00:08:45
That the county board moved to approve the rezone request this evening of the 15.1 acres. 00:08:47
From A1 to A2. 00:08:53
And adopt an ordinance that's consistent with that and pursuant to Wisconsin Statute 91.48. 00:08:56
Stop. Adopt the other 4. 00:09:02
Thank you. Thanks. 00:09:05
Athena. 00:09:07
And followed by. 00:09:09
Who's next? 00:09:11
Next we would have Robert. 00:09:13
Gunther. 00:09:16
Good evening, my name is Athena Big Mountain and I've been a resident of Asha Pin for the last 14 years. 00:09:19
I live in Ashapen. I have served 2 terms on the town. 00:09:26
I am one of five members. 00:09:30
A couple years ago, I formed a nonprofit organization called Ashopen the Beautiful. 00:09:33
Beautiful was created out of a love for our town with the primary focus of giving a much needed facelift. 00:09:38
To one of the town's biggest treasures, the states tallest lively Christmas tree. 00:09:44
Located on the grounds of the Fire Department. 00:09:49
We are always looking for ways to support projects around Ashland to help make it beautiful. 00:09:52
We have big goals in mind for Asapin, much like the golf course. 00:09:56
As a town supervisor, I am expected to evaluate projects. 00:10:00
And Roger, my opinion to the best interests of all the residents and that is why I am here today. 00:10:04
When I became aware of the plans for kettle forks the golf course, I was instantly in favor of this development. 00:10:10
As proposed, Kettle Ridge will bring national recognition to the town of Ashland, much like Aaron Hills did. 00:10:15
To the town of Aaron. 00:10:21
This is the type of development that I can be proud of and all residents of Asheville can be proud of as well. 00:10:23
To date, none of the residents I personally spoke to in my neighborhood are against the project. Quite frankly, my neighborhood 00:10:28
wouldn't be there if it wasn't for thoughtful rezoning in the past. 00:10:33
My entire neighborhood where I live used to be farm fields. 00:10:39
Do I want jumbo data centers? No. Do I want solar panels? No. Do I want to distribution center? 00:10:42
A wind farm, No. 00:10:48
This golf course is going to be beautiful. It's going to be a great addition to Asha Penn. 00:10:50
As proposed, the golf course will enhance the town and bring other welcome additions like employment tax base. 00:10:55
And preservation of the flora and fauna as stated earlier. 00:11:00
Who benefits this? All of us. 00:11:04
The citizens, the town, the county, and the state. 00:11:06
I have personally spoken with Brett about this development to get a better understanding of the need. 00:11:08
To complete the zoning change. 00:11:13
It is clear that to accomplish the vision of the course. 00:11:14
It would be best to change. 00:11:17
The 15 acres from A1 to A2. 00:11:19
Thank you. 00:11:22
Bob and who's next? Next we have. 00:11:25
****. 00:11:28
Hello, my name is Bob Gunther. I'm a dairy, beef and grain farmer in town of Ashton, also member of the Asheville Planning 00:11:33
Commission. And I did vote against this proposal. 00:11:37
As you may, may or may not be aware, the town of Ashman is different from all the other townships in that. 00:11:42
We do A1 zoning by land type, So what we're A1 is the best land in the town and that's what we're trying to preserve. 00:11:47
My fear is that if we approve this change tonight, we set a precedent that. 00:11:54
Anyone coming in can get their A1 land. 00:11:58
Change Day 2. 00:12:01
Now, Brett has told us many times that this golf course can go forward without the zoning change. 00:12:02
And I think it's in the best interest of the town and the farmers in the town. 00:12:07
We talked a lot about farmland preservation. 00:12:12
But we don't do a lot of acting on it. 00:12:14
Tonight we have the opportunity to act on farmland preservation. 00:12:16
What we're asking is that we preserve the best land. 00:12:20
This golf course can still go forward. 00:12:23
This 15 acres, you say? Well, it's only 15 acres. 00:12:25
But it sets a huge precedent for acreage to come in the future. 00:12:28
It's death to the farmers. It's death by 1000 cuts. 00:12:32
It's 15 acres here, it's 20 there. 00:12:35
And pretty soon we're so encroached on. 00:12:38
That our livelihood can no longer exist. 00:12:40
So I'm asking you as a board tonight. 00:12:42
To stand by that. 00:12:44
The farmers from Dodge County. 00:12:46
Keep this zoning as a one, as it should be. 00:12:48
Allow the golf course. It may go forward. 00:12:51
Brett has said many times to us that it. 00:12:53
Can go forward as it is. 00:12:55
But I think it's imperative that we. 00:12:57
Do not change this land from A1. 00:12:59
To a two that we keep the best soils. 00:13:01
For production agriculture to feed the world. 00:13:04
For now and into the future. 00:13:07
And my speaking tonight is not just for me. I have three sons that farm with me. 00:13:09
I'm also talking. 00:13:14
Future. 00:13:15
Of the agriculture community, I'm asking you again. 00:13:16
Please deny this request for a zoning change from. 00:13:19
A1 to a 2. Thank you. 00:13:23
Thank you, Bob. 00:13:25
And. 00:13:27
Kyle Swig should come up next. 00:13:32
My name is **** Bertrand, I live in Washington Rd. right on the South side of this proposed golf course. 00:13:39
They will be good neighbors. 00:13:45
Our backyard, which is 80, about 800 feet. 00:13:48
But the South end of this 270 acres. 00:13:51
I'm all in four of this year stewardship because the design integrates. 00:13:56
Wetland restoration, erosion control, water quality and making the land healthier and more resilient. 00:14:01
The preservation of open space. 00:14:07
Instead of dense construction, the land will remain largely green, open, visually appealing. 00:14:10
For decades to come. 00:14:15
Just like Aaron Hills. 00:14:16
And all the rest of the golf courses in Waukesha County. Economic benefits without overcrowding. 00:14:18
The club The club will create jobs and bring new spending. 00:14:24
Into the local business without straining schools, roads or municipal services. 00:14:28
The wildlife, the wildlife habitat creation as they're now. 00:14:33
Their project will attract. 00:14:36
Wildlife and support to birds, pollinators and other native species. 00:14:39
Throughout and thoughtful landscaping. 00:14:43
The long term stability. 00:14:46
Private golf course tend to be stable, good neighbors, long term land uses, avoiding the turnover and unpredictability of other 00:14:48
developments. 00:14:52
And the pride of the community for the town of Ashopen. 00:14:57
Brain Home top tier environmentally sensitive golf course. 00:15:00
As a point. 00:15:04
Pride can help put the community. 00:15:06
On the map for positive reasons. 00:15:08
Commitment to maintenance. 00:15:11
The land will maintain. 00:15:12
Be maintained year round. 00:15:14
At a level far higher than vacant and unutilized farmland. 00:15:16
Compatible with rural character, the project, aesthetically designed, complements the court. 00:15:20
Countryside and preserve scenic views. 00:15:26
Positive nature. 00:15:29
Native relations. 00:15:30
That's me. 00:15:32
And our family and our neighbors and I don't golf. 00:15:33
Early engagement and willingness to address the concern. 00:15:37
Shown to the owners and neighbors commitment. 00:15:40
As being part of the community, not just in it. 00:15:43
That's it. Thank you. Thank you. 00:15:47
Kyle. 00:15:49
Yep, Kyle and then Eva Owen should be up next. 00:15:51
Good evening, my name is Kyle Zweig and I'm a dairy farmer 1.5 miles southwest of. 00:15:58
Post golf course. 00:16:02
I want to thank supervisors for maintaining the economic engine of agriculture within the county, and I'd like to also acknowledge 00:16:04
the potential fatigue of fighting these battles among the supervisors. Supervisors I want to specifically talk about. 00:16:10
Some zoning code in reference to this project tonight. 00:16:16
3 point 7.3 of the county zoning code states that rezoning land out of a one prime agriculture zoning districts. 00:16:19
May occur. 00:16:26
If the change is done in accordance with a variety of following statements. 00:16:28
One of those following statements 2.3 point 4.1 then lists a variety of reasons to reject a zoning change. 00:16:32
One of those reasons includes when the. 00:16:39
Zoning change is not consistent. 00:16:42
With the county comprehensive plan. 00:16:44
And as stated tonight, the golf course is planned for this. 00:16:46
15 acres is certainly not. 00:16:49
In agreement with that comprehensive and farmland preservation plan. 00:16:51
2.3.4.1.8. 00:16:55
Is another one of those following statements. 00:16:59
The rezoning will not substantially impair or limit current. 00:17:01
Or future agricultural use of surrounding parcels of land. 00:17:04
That are zoned for or legally restricted to agriculture use. 00:17:08
Having a 400K dairy. 00:17:12
Sharing 1/2 mile border with the proposed golf course on its West. 00:17:14
Downwind. 00:17:18
Will certainly lead for the county and town in the future to have complaints. 00:17:19
And a plethora of issues with. 00:17:23
Golf course members. 00:17:25
Finally. 00:17:27
I'd like to say that because of these many reasons set forth in county zoning code, a vote to rezone the current A1 acres as 00:17:28
described. 00:17:32
And any future ability allowed. 00:17:36
By the county. 00:17:38
For this extension. 00:17:39
Will most certainly become a violation of many county zoning regulations. 00:17:41
I do not wish to see Dodge County stumble into a scenario where it accidentally becomes. 00:17:46
Opposed to its own rules and laws. 00:17:51
It is my belief, the leadership of the town of Ashburn. 00:17:53
Has already done so, but because of the very high percentage of residents. 00:17:55
Thank you. Thanks, Kyle. 00:18:00
Eva. 00:18:01
Let's let's, let's just hold the applause, please. Thank you. Next up would be Danette Reid. Please get ready. 00:18:04
No, you're first Eva Owens and then Donette read. 00:18:10
OK, I'm Eva Owen. I live on W 1651 Town Rd. MMM. 00:18:15
On my family farms spend their society 52. 00:18:21
And I unfortunately don't have a wonderful thing prepared for you to say because I just found out about all this recently. 00:18:24
And my biggest concern? 00:18:31
Is for our neighbors who are farmers. 00:18:33
That we support them. There's a very large farmers in the area and Dodge County to me has just been farming when I found out this. 00:18:35
Incredibly elaborate Multi $1,000,000. 00:18:42
Pride. I couldn't even believe it. I which I read the whole thing today was like, unfortunately I wasn't prepared for this. 00:18:45
Other than to. 00:18:51
Make everybody think about how it's going to long term affect. 00:18:53
Our farmers. 00:18:56
And I'm also an organic farmer. I have my greenhouse, everything, and I'm very much. 00:18:57
Not crazy about a lot of chemicals sprayed which golf courses are known to spray a lot of chemicals for their perfect grass Their. 00:19:03
No bugs and the whole thing. 00:19:10
And so my comment tonight is I'd like to support the people who are giving you the reasons why this isn't a good idea. 00:19:12
And I just want us to protect our neighbors and our farmers. 00:19:19
Thank you. 00:19:22
And then? 00:19:26
I don't have a last name so. 00:19:29
Kneel or near. 00:19:31
County Road EE. 00:19:35
OK, OK. My name is Danette Reed. I live right on Creek Rd. W 1748. I'm going to live right across from the golf course and I am 00:19:39
not for it. 00:19:43
The zoning issue is right across from my house. That is beautiful land. 00:19:48
I don't know why they want to wreck it like that. 00:19:52
Asher Pin is being bombarded. 00:19:54
With all this development stuff. 00:19:56
They got condos going up in Ash, Japan. Now they got this golf course and it's all for the rich people, US farmers and those 00:19:59
homesteaders. 00:20:02
The whole Creek Rd. 00:20:06
Has been there since the early 1800's. The same families have been there in Creek Rd. 00:20:08
You're going to push them all out. 00:20:13
And you're gonna make the home prices go through the roof. You're gonna make our taxes go through the roof just because we want to 00:20:15
be. 00:20:18
Delafield and Macon. 00:20:21
Playground. I am totally against it. I'm totally against the condos and Astrophin and all the old people in Ashton that I have 00:20:23
talked to are against it too. 00:20:27
They don't want nothing to do with it. 00:20:32
They don't want to be the playground for a condom. 00:20:33
And far as saving this land for wetlands and making it flowers and all this, it's beautiful right now. 00:20:36
You guys have no idea how much wildlife is in there right now and you're gonna chase it all out. 00:20:42
Yeah, they'll find a different home, but it ain't like it's going to be all different. 00:20:48
That's it. 00:20:52
Thank you. 00:20:53
Neil, Neil, what is your last name? 00:20:58
I'm up next if I can have Jeff. 00:21:05
Later. 00:21:10
I just want to say that I'm against it and I want to know how easy it is that we can just what's the point of even zoning the 00:21:13
land? 00:21:17
If we can change it so to what people want. 00:21:21
If they can just come in, throw money around and change land or whatever, there's no point of eating zoning land. 00:21:24
Thank you. 00:21:31
And then James Hiller should be up next. 00:21:36
So we have Jeff. 00:21:39
Jeff Lehner. 00:21:44
Yep, and then James Hiller. 00:21:46
Let's go with James. 00:21:49
James Hiller. 00:21:57
No, Jesse. 00:21:59
Damon. 00:22:03
Damn it, damn it. 00:22:05
Good evening. My name is Jesse Damrell. 00:22:17
I'm a lifelong citizen of 46 years to the town of Asherton. 00:22:19
I've served on many boards. 00:22:24
With our fire department. 00:22:26
And my Community Church. 00:22:27
I am dead against this golf course. 00:22:31
It's almost like quick trips and McDonald's around every corner. 00:22:33
If you talk about preserving land. 00:22:36
Leave it. 00:22:38
That's where it belongs. We need more farmland. We don't need more wasteland. 00:22:39
Chemicals. Yep. 00:22:43
Wrecker wetlands to begin with. Like Danette said, there's a really nice wetlands there. We don't need more. 00:22:44
Golf course is a wasted space if you want to golf. 00:22:50
You got Aaron. 00:22:53
You got, you got a. 00:22:54
Deer track, you got all kinds of Oconomowoc We don't need any more golf courses. 00:22:56
And you open up to everything else. 00:23:01
We don't need. 00:23:03
To take A1 land to put it to E2. 00:23:04
Good day. Thank you. 00:23:08
Betty Muzin. 00:23:12
And then Dale Redland. 00:23:18
Can be on decorating. 00:23:21
I hate to divert your attention away from the golf course. This is a different issue. 00:23:33
Maybe you need a break from it. 00:23:37
My name is Betty Bashinski. 00:23:40
I represent some of the land owners on County Highway CC in Dodge County and on the side roads that intersect Hwy. CC such as 00:23:43
Highway FW and Liberty Rd. 00:23:48
I am here to present their concerns. 00:23:53
Ma'am, which item on the agenda are you speaking about? 00:23:55
There wasn't an item. I thought I'm just public speaker. 00:24:00
Policy states that it needs to be related to an item on the agenda. OK, I wasn't told that when I signed up. It was on the rules 00:24:03
that were out there so. 00:24:07
OK, I didn't see that. Nobody pointed it out. 00:24:11
Well, I guess we'll have to come back to another meeting. Now. My dad was on this Dodge County board. He served for 10 years. 00:24:13
OK, so that's disappointing. This was a waste of time, but. 00:24:18
That's what the county does. They waste people's time and taxpayers. 00:24:21
Dollar, ma'am. 00:24:25
You're not prick. 00:24:27
You can't. You're out of order. 00:24:28
OK, fine. 00:24:30
Hey, Dale. 00:24:32
Hello, I'm Dale Redland. I live directly across from a proposed golf course. I'm the 400 caliber with my mom that operate there. 00:24:41
I can't see how. 00:24:51
Golf course is going to be compatible with our operation. 00:24:52
We cannot get closer to this project. We are right there. 00:24:56
And I also like the. 00:25:01
Reiterate what has been said about changing from A1 to E2 very easily because why zone anything if you can change it that easily 00:25:03
because. 00:25:07
All that has to be done is a meeting, and it's changed. 00:25:13
I would. 00:25:16
Encourage everybody to stand on. 00:25:17
Not rezoning it. 00:25:19
Also. 00:25:21
There's been a lot of concern about water usage, I've been told. 00:25:22
A massive amount of water to get the golf course going and a lot of people are concerned about water levels in the area. 00:25:26
And also. 00:25:33
I have understood that there is a lot of chemicals used in. 00:25:34
Developing this golf course far more than a current agricultural use. 00:25:38
So I would like all this to be considered in your. 00:25:42
Decision to resign. 00:25:46
Thank you. OK. Thank you, Dale. 00:25:47
James Hiller or Jeff? 00:25:54
Later, did you want to speak? 00:25:57
OK. We will close the public comment period. Thank you. 00:26:02
Next we have. 00:26:08
Special order of business. 00:26:10
Appoint Denise Leppel to replace Chris Planish on the Dodge County Land Information Council. 00:26:12
And appoint Kim Davis to replace Brad Tisdale on the Dodge County Land Information Council. 00:26:18
Do I have a motion to approve? I have a motion by Supervisor Gutenberger to approve. 00:26:25
In a second by. 00:26:29
Supervisor Kraus. 00:26:33
OK, all in favor. 00:26:41
Say aye. 00:26:44
Aye, aye. 00:26:46
Opposed. That is scary. 00:26:47
All right. 00:26:49
Next we have appointment by the County Administrator appoint Nicole Winker to serve on the Commission on Aging and Disability 00:26:53
Services for a three-year term. 00:26:57
To expire July 1st, 2028. 00:27:01
Have a motion. 00:27:06
My supervisor, Guggenberger. 00:27:07
Second by Supervisor Hedrick. 00:27:10
All in favor. 00:27:13
Signify by aye. 00:27:14
Aye, opposed. 00:27:16
That is carried. 00:27:18
And we'll call in. 00:27:22
County Administrator Clapper to introduce the. 00:27:23
Next presentation. 00:27:26
He is part of a team that conducts regularly in our life. 00:27:35
For Dodge County. 00:27:40
Hello everyone. My name is Aaron Galvin as Cameron mentioned. 00:28:43
I'm an auditor with Baker Tilly. I've been. 00:28:47
With Baker Tilly, for the past four or five years I've been on this audit specifically. 00:28:49
Past three to four years, both on the single audit and the financial audit. 00:28:53
Tonight I'm going to kind of go through a few different items. 00:29:01
Really focusing on. 00:29:05
Really three major parts, first part being the audit status. We had our audit. 00:29:07
Back starting in May, we issued it at the end of July. So kind of go through that. 00:29:11
Some points with the audit, how it went. 00:29:15
I'm also going to go through the financial highlights. These are. 00:29:18
Really a summary level detail of your financials. I'm not going to go through the financials necessarily tonight, but these 00:29:21
financial highlights. 00:29:25
Kind of highlight some particular areas I want to discuss. 00:29:29
And then finally the audit results, this is really a report we have for. 00:29:32
Different controls at the county and different. 00:29:37
Things to disclose will kind of go through that as well. 00:29:40
Here is our Baker Tilly team. Andrew Jansen is the principal and Cassandra Chase is a senior manager. You might be familiar with 00:29:44
some of them. They've probably presented in the past and then myself. 00:29:49
Typically, both for the financial audit and the single audit will. 00:29:55
Have teams of three to four individuals. 00:29:58
Audit status, financial audit, like I said, um. 00:30:03
Issued back at the end of July, July 31st. 00:30:05
We issued an unmodified opinion. 00:30:08
Essentially a clean opinion, which is what you want. 00:30:11
That is basically to say, the financials were prepared in. 00:30:14
All material aspects and with the required framework. 00:30:17
Our single audit, we do that here usually in the summer. Our field work was the first week of August. 00:30:22
Kind of going through that process now with the testing and the review, but at this point there's no findings or issues with that. 00:30:28
So that's always a good thing. 00:30:32
These financial highlights here are kind of what I was going through before Umm. 00:30:37
Just kind of highlighting your financials this first. 00:30:42
Slide is related to your general fund and. 00:30:45
The fund balance, otherwise known as kind of its lifetime net income. 00:30:48
This year fund balance went up. It's that 39.2 million at the top. 00:30:52
The cause for this increase you can see in that summarized income statement revenues were 2.5 million above budget. 00:30:57
Main reason for that was investment income. 00:31:03
Just with the kind of state of the economic environment, we've seen this pretty consistently across our municipalities. 00:31:06
The other cause for the increase was expenditures. This came in under budget. Under budget by around 7 million. 00:31:14
This was really due to capital outlay. 00:31:19
Coming in under budget. 00:31:21
I would imagine that was because of projects that probably didn't get completed this year or didn't. 00:31:23
Costs that weren't as high as expected with the budget. 00:31:28
Your general fund is kind of broken down by different fund balance categories, and that's what that table there is showing. 00:31:32
Dodge County utilizes 4 out of those five categories. You'll see the committed category is not one that's used. 00:31:38
I'll kind of go through a few of these here briefly. 00:31:43
Non. 00:31:46
Kind of as the name implies, this items that can't be spent. 00:31:47
Dodge County, that's really prepaid and delinquent taxes that make up that balance. 00:31:50
Restricted fund balance. 00:31:56
Again, like it says. 00:31:57
Kind of just a fun balance that's restricted for particular purposes. 00:31:59
Usually this is for particular funds that are restricted in nature. Their fund balance will go to that category. 00:32:02
Then you have the assigned fund balance category. 00:32:09
This would be for any carryovers or anything applied to fund balance for next year's budget. So that would be fiscal year 2025. 00:32:11
And then an unassigned category, that's really the biggest category that's essentially all the leftovers. So anything that's not. 00:32:19
Non spendable, restricted, committed or assigned will go into that. 00:32:26
Unassigned category. 00:32:29
This next slide is still looking at that unassigned fund balance of the general fund. 00:32:33
And it is comparing it to your expenditures for next year? 00:32:38
This is really trying to look at. 00:32:42
What of that fund balance or that net income that's. 00:32:44
Leftover is available to be spent compared to your expenditures for next year. 00:32:47
So you'll kind of see here in the table that. 00:32:52
The general fund is that red line there. 00:32:54
Really comparable to last year was four 1.8% last year. 00:32:57
41.4% this year. 00:33:01
Those black dots are. 00:33:03
Kind of a median reference of our Baker Tilly clients that are a similar. 00:33:05
Size to Dodge County so you can see. 00:33:10
That the county is really in line with all these other municipalities here as well. 00:33:12
That black line is the policy maximum. I believe it is 25% for the general fund. 00:33:17
And then that sort of light blue line would be the policy minimum that's at 16.7%. So you can see the general fund is well above. 00:33:22
That policy there. 00:33:30
There is sort of a line there at the bottom for the Human Services and Health Fund. 00:33:31
Similar to the general fund that has a policy minimum. 00:33:35
Of 16.7% but just wanted to show that slightly under the. 00:33:38
Policy minimum, but the nice part is the general fund. 00:33:42
Is over that maximum that of the Health and Human Services Fund needed something the gentleman could always help out. 00:33:44
This next slide here is really looking at the debt. 00:33:52
At Dodge County, that top black line is the debt limit. 00:33:55
At Dodge County, you can see it's increasing year after year, which is always a good sign, and then you can see that. 00:34:00
The actual debt outstanding for Dodge County is that red line there. 00:34:05
The actual percent of where Dodge County is at per debt, compared to the debt limit is around 4%. 00:34:10
So really. 00:34:17
Utilizing just a small portion of that debt limit, which is always good. 00:34:18
You can also see. 00:34:23
On that red line in comparison from. 00:34:24
This year to last year went down about $3,000,000. 00:34:26
That was in line with our expectations. There wasn't any debt issued this year and that decrease, it's just kind of in line with 00:34:29
scheduled debt payments. 00:34:33
This next slide here is again kind of looking at. 00:34:39
Debt for the county, it's really looking at those principal and interest payments. 00:34:42
And comparing it to the non capital expenditures of the county this sort of. 00:34:46
Analysis is really looking at dodge county's flexibility of. 00:34:51
What is being paid for debt versus what's being paid for? 00:34:55
Other non capital expenditures. 00:34:58
Again, you can see Dodge County is that red line there at the bottom. 00:35:01
Very comparable to last year, 1.5% to 1.4%. 00:35:05
Those black dots again are that kind of median. 00:35:09
Similar sized clients that we have at Baker Tilly. 00:35:12
Usually for this metric we always recommend 20% and under. 00:35:15
Dodge County is well below that, so just really shows that flexibility that. 00:35:18
Those debt payments are really quite minuscule in comparison to other expenditures and shows that flexibility. 00:35:22
These next few slides will be going through the audit results. These have not been issued yet. 00:35:30
The reason for that is we had some new sort of guidelines and standards this year from. 00:35:36
DHS in relation to the nursing home. So we are working through that testing as we're working through it this week actually. 00:35:42
So lot of results I would say. 00:35:49
99% done. We just want to make sure through that testing there's nothing additional to add to the audit results and then we will 00:35:51
issue those. 00:35:54
Within the auto results I would say. 00:35:59
There's really three key things we're reporting in there. 00:36:01
One is any control findings we have. 00:36:04
And then we'll also report. 00:36:06
Kind of the new Gatsby's, if there's anything. 00:36:08
We went through this year for new Gatsby implementation, are looking forward and then we'll also kind of disclose some entries. 00:36:11
That first item I kind of mentioned the internal control matters. 00:36:18
We had one control point this year was a material weakness for financial reporting. 00:36:21
This is just because Baker Tilly prepares the financials. I would say we have the same exact point. 00:36:25
Probably 95% of our audits that we do. So it's definitely not uncommon. 00:36:30
The next sort of item that I was mentioning was those Gatsby's. 00:36:37
I'll get into some of the future Gatsby's we're looking forward for. 00:36:40
But this year we implemented Gatsby 101. 00:36:44
This was related in a compensated absences so that. 00:36:47
Kind of sick and vacation time. 00:36:49
The past Gatsby that we had was. 00:36:52
Really kind of outdated to what's now happening in today's world with. 00:36:54
Paid time off, banking that sick and vacation time. So we implemented that at the county. 00:36:58
And no issues there. 00:37:04
Then the other kind of main part of those auto results that we have is the. 00:37:06
Uncorrected and corrected misstatements. 00:37:10
There's really kind of two kinds. That first one is. 00:37:13
A page that we call it, otherwise a past adjusting journal entry. These would be items that during our audit we discovered that. 00:37:16
Aren't necessarily the material, but they were still large enough that. 00:37:23
We needed to disclose it. 00:37:26
There's four funds listed there that are affected, but there are really only three instances of patches we had. 00:37:28
One was in the general fund. This was related to. 00:37:35
An item last year that still had current year effects, so it was kind of just correcting that issues with a grant accrual. 00:37:38
Highway there was a mist accumulated depreciation deletion. 00:37:45
So that was what that one was. And then the last one was Clearview. 00:37:49
And business type activities was just one point. 00:37:53
The allowance for doubtful accounts for Clearview. 00:37:57
We look at collections at the end of the year and kind of see how that compares to receivables. 00:38:00
It looked like that allowance was a little lower than what we were expecting. 00:38:06
So that's what that point is. 00:38:09
And then the final type is those material adjustments. This would be items that we deemed material. 00:38:12
That we discovered during our audit and we. 00:38:16
Such corrected for the financial statements. 00:38:19
Three items there, one related to opioid receivables. 00:38:22
The county receives grant funding for those opioid funds. 00:38:25
In the past there was some funding that was not yet known. 00:38:28
What that dollar amount would be? 00:38:32
This year those amounts were now known, so we made sure that was accrued as a receivable. 00:38:34
CLTS, revenues and expenditures. This was a new sort of. 00:38:38
Item from DHS this year that anything that's from a third party. 00:38:43
That the county should not have as revenues and expenditures. So we back those off. 00:38:47
And then the last one was compensated absences. This was part of our Gatsby 101 analysis. 00:38:51
And making sure compensated absences were aligned. 00:38:56
As a part of the auto results, we kind of have some trending topics. They're listed there. 00:39:01
There is a link in the auto results, I believe it goes to a Baker Tilly website. So that link is there. When you do get the audit 00:39:05
results, that link will also be there. Kind of give you some more information. 00:39:09
On some of those trending topics. 00:39:13
And then as I mentioned before, just kind of looking ahead to some future Gatsby's. 00:39:17
The past, I would say. 00:39:20
Three years we've had some pretty major Gatsby's being. 00:39:22
Gatsby 8796 and this year 101. 00:39:25
Looking forward, thankfully there is not as many Major Gatsby's that would have. 00:39:28
A ton of overhaul. Gatsby 102 and 103. 00:39:32
Mostly relate to certain disclosures in the financials. 00:39:36
As Baker Tilly, as your auditors prepare these financials, we'll make sure if those do affect the county, they are implemented 00:39:39
correctly. 00:39:43
Similar with Gatsby 10. 00:39:47
Just more information in the footnotes for the users of the financials for those certain capital assets. Again, we prepare the 00:39:49
financial so. 00:39:53
We'll make sure those kind of get in there as they should be. 00:39:57
Thank you everyone for listening if anyone had any. 00:40:02
Questions. I could definitely answer them at this time. 00:40:04
I don't see anything. 00:40:11
Awesome. Well, thank you, everybody. I appreciate your time. Thank you. 00:40:13
County Administrator. 00:40:21
Cameron. 00:40:22
Are you going to? 00:40:24
Announce the next. 00:40:25
Yes. So the next I. 00:40:26
Yep, Yep, Yep, Corey. 00:40:42
OK. 00:41:09
Good evening. I'm Corey Byrd, Metro Architects out of Milwaukee, WI. 00:41:14
Again, what John said. We've been hired to do the building assessments and master planning. 00:41:18
For the county facilities. 00:41:23
We've been doing interviewings with the departments looking at the buildings. 00:41:25
I'll move. Everybody's been very considerate taking us around. 00:41:29
Interview him. We're asking more questions as far as how they use their space today. 00:41:34
What maybe could be improvements? 00:41:40
ETC. Looking at that. 00:41:42
Some of the biggest things that we kind of just. 00:41:45
Noticed as. 00:41:47
Some of your buildings have some. 00:41:49
Vacated space. 00:41:51
So what we're also doing is going to look at is where is it we can consolidate those spaces, maybe move some departments around to 00:41:52
utilize that space. 00:41:56
That may free up some other. 00:42:01
Areas as well. 00:42:02
Nothing. Great concerns. 00:42:05
One of the maybe the hot topic that we've. 00:42:07
Looked at. 00:42:10
Was the corner space if you've ever seen it. 00:42:11
It's not very good for what he has to do. 00:42:15
So that's one of the things that are. 00:42:18
More of a high priority for us is when we make our recommendations. 00:42:21
Next steps we'll have engineering coming through. 00:42:26
I'm looking at the building. 00:42:29
Building systems. 00:42:31
We're going to be finalizing that space programming for all the departments to see where they're at. 00:42:32
And where they could be. 00:42:37
We'll provide a complete report. 00:42:39
We will present to the County Board again our findings, recommendations. 00:42:41
All of that. 00:42:47
With cost estimations in kind of milestones for master planning. 00:42:48
Over 20 years. 00:42:53
That's where we're at right now. Any questions? 00:42:55
Donna. 00:43:01
We're looking to be completed by the end of September. 00:43:10
Anyone else? 00:43:15
Not working. 00:43:19
All right. 00:43:22
Right. 00:43:25
Caffeine. Go ahead if you're. 00:43:26
We'll bring it all later as we evaluate that. 00:43:41
There's nothing. There's a lot of spaces that that. 00:43:44
When we were talking to the department directors. 00:43:47
And going through that, some of the areas had. 00:43:50
Available space I should say. 00:43:53
So some of that is is going to be. 00:43:55
Maybe reevaluating and laying those out spaces differently. 00:43:58
To again consolidate some spaces to open that up for future development. 00:44:02
Should go. 00:44:13
We did look at all of the highway shops as well. 00:44:22
We'll be looking at that and that'll be part of the report of what to utilize that space. 00:44:30
We talked to the highway department director. 00:44:34
Went through all of those spaces and that's one that. 00:44:38
Yeah, there's a lot of. 00:44:40
Available space in that one that's not being utilized. 00:44:42
I am an understanding that. 00:44:45
Sheriff may use that for Emergency Management etc certain cases. 00:44:47
But for the majority of the time, yeah, it is vacant spaces. So we will be looking at that as well. 00:44:51
Anybody else? 00:44:59
All right. Thank you. 00:45:02
No, no, no. You're looking at an old agenda, R&R insurance. 00:45:17
Good evening and thank you for your time this morning. As some of you may know, we've had some challenges over the last several 00:45:59
years. 00:46:03
Regarding our health insurance rates, mostly due to previous utilization rates. 00:46:07
We. 00:46:14
Dodge County has not had a lot of opportunities. 00:46:14
For other options other than Dean Health. 00:46:18
This year is a little bit different. We do have. 00:46:23
And an offer from Wisconsin Counties Association Group Health Trust. 00:46:28
For a quick review. 00:46:35
Dean Health. 00:46:37
Came in with an original 2026 renewal at 19.9%. 00:46:38
They did reduce that to 16.9%. 00:46:45
With a 2027 rate cap of 19.9%. 00:46:49
WCAGHT. 00:46:57
Came in with an original. 00:46:59
2026 quote. 00:47:01
Offer. 00:47:03
Of 16.4%. 00:47:04
With a 2027 rate cap. 00:47:06
Of 9.5%. 00:47:08
I'll get into the final. 00:47:13
Renewal rates and quote offers, but I wanted to mention a few things first. 00:47:15
We did do an employee health insurance survey. 00:47:20
The results of that survey were shared with the Human Resources Committee as well as the Joint. 00:47:23
Human Resources. Finance Committee. 00:47:29
To take the those results into consideration before bringing a recommendation to the county board. 00:47:31
Those survey results were also shared with the employees. 00:47:38
WCAGHT this is the first time. 00:47:44
That they have quoted a health insurance. 00:47:47
For Dodge County, since we left the state plan in 2019. 00:47:50
This is a recommendation that came from the HR committee. 00:47:56
HR and joint finance. 00:48:00
Excuse me, the Joint HR Committee and Finance Committee. 00:48:02
And we feel this is a viable option with the value add-ons that they offer. 00:48:05
As some of you know, we've had network challenges with Dean Health. 00:48:11
In particular, losing the Marshfield clinic. 00:48:17
And hospital. 00:48:20
And we've always had challenges. 00:48:21
With providers on the eastern side of Dodge County going into Washington County and also the southeastern. 00:48:24
Um Dodge County into. 00:48:31
Waukesha County. 00:48:34
We did have a joint. At the joint meeting, WCAGHD did a presentation for information. 00:48:36
They also came this afternoon and did a presentation for employees as informational only. 00:48:44
And providing resources to employees if this is an option going forward. 00:48:50
And then our next steps, the favorable will be to bring a solution to the County Board in September. 00:48:57
I do want to share with you the final rates that have been provided to us, Dean Health. 00:49:03
Final rate for the renewal for 2026 is 14.9%. 00:49:08
With a 2027 rate cap of 14.9%. 00:49:14
NWCA GHT. 00:49:18
Their final 2026 quote offer is 12.9%, with a 2027 rate cap of 9.5%. 00:49:21
That said, I'm going to introduce Chris Kramer with our and our insurance, our broker, He's going to provide a little bit more 00:49:30
information for you and then introduce WCHEHT. 00:49:36
Good evening. 00:49:44
Good evening, everyone. Chris Cramer from our insurance. 00:49:46
Me and my fellow consultant Shay Sure Finsky have worked with the county now for about 3 years. 00:49:49
On your overall benefits package. 00:49:54
And we were tasked with each year looking at the various healthcare options that are out there. 00:49:56
Taking into account directives for both the board and the committees and administration. 00:50:01
To look at plans that are fiscally sustainable for the for the long haul. 00:50:06
And we this year again, we did our due diligence, we looked at. 00:50:10
A ton of different options. 00:50:14
Self funded options. Fully insured options. 00:50:15
Compared to the state plan. 00:50:18
Really leaving no stone unturned. 00:50:20
We went out to bid, we interviewed several carriers. 00:50:22
Some declined to quote, others quoted, but were much higher than what Tiny had just presented. 00:50:26
But after the interviews and after taking into account some of the directors of the HR and Finance Committee. 00:50:31
As well as some of the input from employees and the surveys about. 00:50:36
Perhaps a different network and such? 00:50:40
We came down to 2 alternative plans. 00:50:43
One is the current plan with Dean Health Plan. 00:50:47
And then the other is the. 00:50:49
The firm offer from Wisconsin County Association. 00:50:51
Group Health Trust. 00:50:54
They've been around. 00:50:56
Quite some time. 00:50:57
They work with many public sector employer groups. 00:50:58
And they offer many value added type programs and services. 00:51:01
So we thought it would merit having them come up and present. 00:51:05
Their program to you guys and give you an opportunity to ask questions. 00:51:09
And see if it's the right fit. 00:51:13
So with that, we have two representatives, Trina and Jeff, we're going to come up. 00:51:15
And walk us through a presentation. 00:51:18
Come up. 00:51:22
Thank you, Chris, and thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for allowing us to be here. My name is Trina Kiefer and I'm again with the 00:51:28
Group Health Trust. 00:51:32
We are thrilled to be here to share the information with you. 00:51:36
Again. 00:51:39
Tanya mentioned that we were able to present the employees at 3:00. We received a fair amount of employees that attended the 00:51:40
session. 00:51:43
On both virtually and in person, we were able to answer a lot of questions. So we're super excited that people are engaging and 00:51:47
and asking the questions. 00:51:51
So the Wisconsin Counties Association Group Health Trust. 00:51:56
Is a jointly self funded benefits trust that was created in 1991 by 5 counties that wanted something different for their health 00:51:59
benefits. 00:52:03
So they needed a employee benefit program that would meet the unique needs of local government. 00:52:08
Today, we partner with 110 schools, counties, and municipalities throughout the state of Wisconsin. 00:52:15
In a previous meeting I did some shout outs so we work with Sheboygan County. 00:52:21
Calumet County. 00:52:26
Ozaukee County. 00:52:28
Outagamie County, Oconto County, Burnett County, Sawyer County, So schools around here, Horacon, Lamira, Campbell Sport. 00:52:30
Herman Neosho, Rubicon. 00:52:39
New Holstein. So again, a lot of schools, counties and municipalities. So all we do is public entity in the state of Wisconsin. So 00:52:42
that's all that can participate in the group health trust. 00:52:47
So we serve just just under 15,000 employees. 00:52:52
And 40,000 members or belly buttons. 00:52:56
So the group health trust. 00:53:00
We administer the trust and to do that we have a number of partners. So we work with UMR who is our third party administrator, so 00:53:02
they handle the day-to-day customer service claims processing. 00:53:07
Enrollment processing for us. 00:53:13
So again, they do our day-to-day. 00:53:16
We work with United Healthcare. 00:53:19
And offer a choice plus. 00:53:21
National provider network that my colleague Jeff will talk in a little bit more detail about. So again, we're providing a national 00:53:23
provider network. 00:53:27
And we work with CVS Caremark, who is our pharmacy benefit manager or PBM. 00:53:31
And we access that through National Cooperative RX. 00:53:37
And. 00:53:41
It's all major chains for pharmacies that are participating in the network and a lot of the local pharmacies as well. 00:53:41
Very few in Wisconsin are not part of our pharmacy network. 00:53:48
So I'm going to turn over to Jeff. 00:53:53
Yeah. Good evening, everybody. My name is Jeff Berg. Well, I'm with you, Omar. United Healthcare. 00:53:57
As Trina mentioned. 00:54:02
UMR United Healthcare is a. 00:54:03
In a long term partner of the group Health Trust. 00:54:05
So as as I've stated earlier, one of the. 00:54:09
The main themes I came back from the survey result was wanting a larger network. 00:54:13
Of doctors for the employees of Dodge County to be able to see. 00:54:18
That's something that our united partnership with United Healthcare. 00:54:22
Choice Plus Network is able to provide. 00:54:26
It is a large national network, so there's. 00:54:28
Providers in every state, so if employees have dependents that are living in in other states, going to school or, you know, 00:54:31
retirees. 00:54:35
We have coverage all around the country. 00:54:40
More importantly. 00:54:42
Here local, we have a strong. 00:54:43
Network presence. 00:54:46
We work with some of your top providers, so Prairie Ridge Health. 00:54:47
Watertown Regional Clinic. 00:54:52
We work with the SSM hospital and Fond du Lac. 00:54:54
Which is formerly known as. 00:54:57
We work with Marshfield Clinic. 00:54:59
Or the Beaver Dam Community Hospital. 00:55:01
We also. 00:55:04
Have some expansion areas so we work with. 00:55:05
Aurora. 00:55:08
We work with. 00:55:09
Pro health we work with. 00:55:10
Freighter Children's Hospital all being in network providers with the United Healthcare's Choice Plus network. 00:55:12
The one kind of major. 00:55:19
Spot in the state of Wisconsin the the major provider system, we don't have a network. 00:55:21
Is deemed down in Madison. 00:55:25
So that Dean physicians as well as Saint Mary's Hospital. 00:55:27
In the greater Madison area are not. 00:55:31
Participating with. 00:55:33
Choice plus network. 00:55:35
Anybody can go out and look for. 00:55:37
Through our provider director, you don't have to be logged in as a member, you would go to umr.com. 00:55:39
Choose United Healthcare Choice Plus. 00:55:45
And then find a provider and you're able to search. 00:55:47
Through to find the available in network providers for. 00:55:50
Dodge County employees. 00:55:53
Again, here's just a quick snapshot of the state. 00:55:57
We have hospital and major provider systems. 00:56:01
You know, all across the state as well as. 00:56:04
As I mentioned, nationwide coverage. 00:56:07
We also are really known as a data company. 00:56:09
We bring in a lot of data and we actually rate our physicians based on quality and cost efficiency. So those physicians that are 00:56:12
the best of the best are going to be the ones that show up first. 00:56:17
In our provider directory. 00:56:21
Encouraging employees to see those providers. 00:56:23
Umm, we don't have any requirements from a primary care physician. It's truly an Open Access network. 00:56:27
So employees and their dependents of Dodge County would be able to. 00:56:34
Go and see seek the care that they. 00:56:39
Feel is best for themselves and their family. 00:56:41
With very limited restrictions when it comes to. 00:56:43
Provider access. 00:56:46
All this information will be available on the website umr.com. 00:56:50
If we were award your business, all employees would be able to register out here and they'll be able to find all the information 00:56:53
you know relevant to them, you know. 00:56:58
Maintaining their health plan. 00:57:03
Getting that information and really as well as resources to help them. 00:57:04
Maintain that. 00:57:08
And finally, one of the main things that we provide for. 00:57:11
The Group Health Trust is our customer service. 00:57:14
We know that. 00:57:16
Nobody wants to be calling health insurance companies, right? It's the last thing on people's lists. 00:57:17
So when we answer the phone, we do it with compassion. 00:57:23
We have a dedicated plant advisor team. 00:57:26
That only works with public sector. 00:57:28
That only works with a group health trust. 00:57:31
Meaning it only works with. 00:57:33
Public sector employees in the state of Wisconsin. 00:57:35
So they understand some of the unique needs and some of those benefit needs that you know the population may have and they are 00:57:38
able to really assist those people as they go through their their health care journey. 00:57:43
So again, we. 00:57:53
Work with CVS Caremark to provide that pharmacy. 00:57:55
All major chains, again nationally there's a provider access. 00:57:58
A lot of the local pharmacies as well. Mail order and specialty is available through mail order. 00:58:03
So value added benefits a lot of things we do. 00:58:09
To enhance the Wellness of your employees. So Wellness screenings, the first annual colonoscopy mammogram path. 00:58:13
Or prostate exam is covered at 100% regardless if there's a diagnosis. 00:58:21
So for example, if your employee goes in and they find polyps during a colonoscopy. 00:58:26
Any additional? 00:58:30
Time that they would have to get a recheck would be coming back with a medical diagnosis with the group health trust. They get one 00:58:33
per benefit period paid as. 00:58:36
A vision exam we do include. 00:58:42
Vision Exam. 00:58:44
For all covered members paid at 100%. It includes the Refraction and All Vision. 00:58:45
Providers are in network. 00:58:51
Teledoc Teledoc is a benefit that is virtual care. They can do that by phone or by computer. 00:58:53
It's for General Medical, behavioral health and dermatology. 00:59:01
Due to the big beautiful bill, we are able to provide this care at no cost to your employee current. 00:59:05
Virtual care through a Teledoc type service. 00:59:12
Is typically subject to deductible, but now we are able to waive that deductible. So we're offering this care at no cost. It is a 00:59:16
low cost access to care. One of the benefits of Teledoc that I like to point out is we're seeing more and more an increase in 00:59:22
behavioral health needs with. 00:59:28
Fewer access or longer? 00:59:34
Longer wait times to get in to see a professional. 00:59:36
So they do provide care for dependents, adolescents age 13 to 18 as well, in addition to adults. So it's just a great resource for 00:59:40
your employees and their families. 00:59:45
Better health, I have a slide, so I'll talk a little bit more, but this is gut health, food is medicine program, weight loss and 00:59:51
there's so many more health benefits to that. 00:59:55
We offer a maternity management program if a member enrolls. 01:00:00
During pregnancy, first or second trimester and complete the program, they can earn a $25.00 gift card and it provides them with 01:00:05
some great information. 01:00:10
Our goal is healthy babies to get that. 01:00:14
Pregnancy to full term premiums do cost a plan a lot of money, so again, it's just offering some great resource. 01:00:17
One pass elect is a discount. 01:00:24
Program, health club program we found a number of facilities that are within like a 20 mile radius that participate. One question 01:00:27
we had during the employee meeting like the. 01:00:33
Tax tag facility in Mayville they participate. So again just a number of discounted. 01:00:39
Health club membership access for employees as well. 01:00:46
Other value that. 01:00:50
Affect administration and overall. 01:00:52
We do not charge for COBRA administration for all lines of coverage. That is something that you are currently paying for that 01:00:55
service. So that would be at no cost included in our proposal. 01:01:00
And then compliance reporting. So we handle that government annual. 01:01:06
Provide or compliance reporting and then information for employees as well. 01:01:11
So I mentioned Teledoc again, this is virtual care that's available at no cost for a number of medical conditions. So employees 01:01:17
can register, fill out a medical questionnaire and have access to that. 01:01:23
For certain prescriptions, they can prescribe that medication to the local pharmacy, so that would be subject to their planned 01:01:31
benefits, but again, no cost care. 01:01:35
Oh yes please. 01:01:42
An understanding with the. 01:01:44
With a teledoc there is a version of that right now with Dean and understanding is for 2026. 01:01:46
Their version employees would have your employees would have to pay. 01:01:51
For those services. 01:01:55
With the teledoc and the GHT. 01:01:56
There, that's at no cost. 01:01:59
So if my daughter wakes up with pink. 01:02:01
Yes, I could run to a clinic and I'd be charged something. Or I could do Teledoc. 01:02:03
Right from our phone or a tablet. 01:02:07
And it costs me nothing. 01:02:09
And it costs the plan less because it's more. 01:02:10
Economical way of receiving care. 01:02:13
For some of these more minor type of things. 01:02:15
You know, UTI's, skin problems, allergies, things like that. 01:02:17
It is not for emergencies if I'm having chest pains. 01:02:21
I'm not going to do Teledoc, obviously. 01:02:24
But it is a way for people to save money and some of the more common. 01:02:26
Ailments that they and their family members may have. 01:02:29
Thank you. 01:02:32
So Better Health is a new program that we. 01:02:35
Added to our programs for a select number of group health trust employers. We added it to all of our counties in the. 01:02:38
January of 20. 01:02:47
25 and so in I met the owner of. 01:02:49
The owner, founder of Better Health at our county's conference. 01:02:55
In September of 2023 he came and introduced the program. My initial thought was, oh, just another weight loss program. 01:02:58
But he offered to allow us to try it and see what results we received. 01:03:05
For our membership, what they thought of the program. 01:03:10
And so we had. 01:03:14
County up in the northern part of the state. 01:03:16
They tried this program for us, 20 of their employees and I'm just going to turn to the next screen because if you can see the 01:03:19
woman. 01:03:22
Who's in the program? Her name's Anna. She's actually a GHT member through Burnett County, and she came on a conference call with 01:03:25
us about. 01:03:28
Five months after she started the program and she had lost 50 lbs and I was inspired. She had a lot of health improvements and so 01:03:32
she was raving about the program. So I said I need to try it. If this program is that great, I need to stand up and explain it. I 01:03:39
want to try it. So I tried a better health starting in July of 2024 and I lost 60 lbs on the program. I actually did a triathlon 01:03:45
on Saturday in Waupaca and I said. 01:03:52
Trina from July 2024 would never have done a triathlon, but I did a short Sprint triathlon, 1/4 mile swim, 12 mile bike and a two 01:03:58
mile run. So. 01:04:03
Thanks to Better Health, it really improved my overall health. So this is a program that's available for employees covered under 01:04:08
the plan, and they're covered spouses. 01:04:12
It includes a scale, coaching sessions, AI. Again, we do an onboarding with better health for employees to learn more about the 01:04:17
program, but we're seeing a lot of success. 01:04:23
Data through April, our number of counties and employers that were on the plan, we've lost over 6000 lbs and now it's 01:04:29
significantly higher. So again, a lot of our goal on this is to reduce overall health spends with medications. We're seeing people 01:04:37
lower their blood pressure, cholesterol, A1C, So we're seeing just some staggering results on. 01:04:44
Overall health improvements. 01:04:52
So I mentioned one Pass select. Again, this is a discounted health club program where if someone it's just a pass through. So they 01:04:55
would sign up, the employees would sign up directly through one pass elect. 01:05:01
If they selected the classic level, they'd get all of the providers within the classic level we're seeing like Anytime Fitness, 01:05:07
Snap Fitness. 01:05:11
Planet Fitness, so a number of. 01:05:16
Facilities within that. So it's not just restricting them to one health club. They can have multiple access. So it's it's just a 01:05:18
great program. We're getting a lot of feedback. 01:05:23
Again, just a value add. They do grocery delivery, there is digital access. So again, just a fantastic program overall to improve 01:05:28
the Wellness of your employees and their families. 01:05:33
I already talked about maternity management. Again, it's care management for expectant mothers, so a way for them to get a reward 01:05:41
and get some additional information through the term of their pregnancy. 01:05:47
And then this is just a snapshot, it's obviously small. 01:05:54
Type of, but we tried to closely match the benefits that you have. 01:05:58
With Dean Health Plan, it is not an exact match, the benefits are the same, but we've we've gone through there are a couple of 01:06:01
value adds with us, there were a couple of different value adds with them. No2 health benefits payers are alike, but again, we 01:06:08
feel like we offer a strong Wellness and overall. 01:06:15
Plan with great provider access for your employees. 01:06:22
So we did list the rates. 01:06:27
One other thing that we added when talking to Tanya initially through our. 01:06:30
First conversation with the county. 01:06:35
She mentioned that you do an on site biometrics. We did offer to include the cost of the on site biometrics in our proposal again 01:06:38
are not to exceed for the January 1st 27 renewals plus 9.5%. 01:06:45
We do a lot of onboarding support. We have a benefit booklet that we create that you can put out on an intranet or share with 01:06:52
employees electronically. We can get you some paper copies if you need that. We'll support your staff and on on site meetings. 01:06:59
And then also we provide a number of reporting for monthly quarterly reporting to help you know how the plan is running ongoing. 01:07:06
So we would work with Chris and his team to share that information. 01:07:13
So one thing that we started doing a few years ago and it has been a huge success in the marketplace is that we try to provide 01:07:21
your employees help right away so that they're not going directly to HR with their questions. 01:07:27
Changes sometimes challenging. 01:07:34
Especially when it. 01:07:36
Comes to employees health, so we put out two e-mail addresses that we allow your employees and their families to reach out to us. 01:07:38
Right away with questions and so the GHT inbox that Charles Taylor that's for if someone has ongoing care, maybe they have cancer 01:07:46
or maybe they're in the middle of a maternity. 01:07:51
They're pregnant or they're currently being treated for behavioral health. We, we can help them to find a provider to verify any 01:07:58
services that need prior authorizations. And then the GHTRX questions goes right to our partners at National Cooperative. So we 01:08:05
can verify if their prescriptions on on the formulary if they need a prior authorization. 01:08:12
I used to work for WEA Trust there. 01:08:20
Their diabetic insulin was different than ours, but it was just as simple as, you know, a change from Humalog to Novolog. So we 01:08:24
help walk your employees and their families through those changes to make it smooth so that they're not standing at the pharmacy 01:08:31
on January 2nd and and having any challenges or questions. So again, our goal is to make this easy. 01:08:38
And seamless for your employees when we can. 01:08:45
So we do have a group at the. 01:08:49
GHT team that provides an extra layer or service. The day-to-day goes to UMM our partners there. 01:08:52
But we provide a strong support for. 01:08:58
Your administration for your employees. So if they have a question or issue that they need to escalate up, they have us. They'll 01:09:00
have a team and myself and my team that we're going to be available for questions. 01:09:07
One thing that I didn't point out enough, I think through this entire process is one thing that the group health drug. 01:09:13
Trust us. 01:09:19
Really well is that we do a lot of pooling with the the groups of our counties. 01:09:20
So. 01:09:27
The largest renewal that we've delivered so far in the history of the Group Health Trust and. 01:09:27
My history has been a 22% increase and now no one wants a 22% increase but in the way of health benefits. 01:09:33
There are 50% increases, 60% increases being delivered in some cases. So we really do see the value of our county partners. We 01:09:42
realize that you don't make widgets or you can't change your. 01:09:48
The the product you can't put too fewer ounces in the bag. 01:09:55
So we do try to be good partners again, counties, it's in our name. So we want to be good partners to our county partners and all 01:09:59
of our public entity partners because obviously. 01:10:04
You're buying benefits different. 01:10:09
So that's what we have for you today. Any questions? 01:10:13
Yes. 01:10:17
Oh, there was a typo with A0I. Apologize. Yep, the 0 is out of the place. Yep, sorry about that. 01:10:23
Thank you. 01:10:29
It's three. We caught this on the proposal, but I apologize that this made it in the slide. It's $2375.95. 01:10:30
Yes. 01:10:39
That's the full monthly premium, not included the. 01:10:40
Employees portion. 01:10:44
Oh yeah. 01:10:51
That's not a question for the group health trust because we. 01:11:10
No, it's it's. 01:11:13
Completely, umm. 01:11:15
It's just an offering, but I believe that there are some programs. 01:11:17
Can I defer to? 01:11:21
Yes, any programs that would be related to. 01:11:23
Dave, go ahead. 01:12:06
Call in from the mics are not working. I'll try to. 01:12:08
Catch you? 01:12:11
What is the? 01:12:14
I would have to calculate that based on your enrollment. It's truly. 01:12:30
It's cost neutral. 01:12:35
So. 01:12:37
Yep. 01:12:38
Correct. So we would need to see how many you have in each tier and then it would adjust based on that. So like if right now if 01:12:41
you have. 01:12:45
235 singles. 01:12:49
And then 300 family contracts, we would have to see in the family contracts how many employees fall in the different tiers and 01:12:51
then we would be able to calculate that, but the family rate would go up. 01:12:57
Yeah, but we could. 01:13:04
That's just the first year. 01:13:05
It's the first year to adjust them that would state that then it would like the 9 1/2%. 01:13:08
Absolutely. 01:13:16
Correct. 01:13:19
What's the absolute deadline today? 01:13:23
Yeah. 01:13:35
Right, right. It's it would be November 1st. There are some benefits that require 60 or 90 day. So it doesn't mean like, so one 01:13:38
pass elect I believe is 90 days to have that in place. So if we didn't have a decision by October 1st, you would still get one 01:13:45
pass elect, but it wouldn't be eligible until February 1st. 01:13:51
For complete implementation, correct? 01:14:00
Through yours and then you would just there's a portal online we. 01:14:05
Initial process would be done through. 01:14:09
The. 01:14:11
However, the. 01:14:13
Administrative team decides to do it. Typically we would receive an enrollment file from your current benefit provider. We would 01:14:15
enroll based on that and then. 01:14:20
You would handle your open enrollment of offering and then any changes we would just make to that. 01:14:24
Can you provide? 01:14:32
Oh yeah, absolutely. 01:14:38
With employee, spouse, employee, child. 01:14:40
Yeah, we can do that if yeah, with if we have the full census, yeah, we can definitely do that. If it just doesn't say single or 01:14:42
family on there, we would need a full census of showing the number to. 01:14:46
Dependence, but we could absolutely do that. 01:14:51
Thank you. 01:14:53
Cameron, you want to answer that question? 01:14:56
All right. 01:15:01
Super Fries Aquil. 01:15:03
Hang up more than. 01:15:17
Dodge County. 01:15:20
Well, last year we did grow by two counties, I believe. 01:15:22
We haven't lost. 01:15:27
County in the last few years. 01:15:29
The last three years we've been pretty. 01:15:32
Pretty consistent. The biggest. 01:15:34
Challenge with that is obviously budgets, obviously if someone's running. 01:15:36
Really. Terribly. 01:15:41
It would be a very long discussion, but it depends, you know, like we try to be good partners, try to work within budgets. But 01:15:44
yeah, we've been really stable. We, we grew 5 school districts in July. 01:15:49
Our financials are very strong. 01:15:55
That's how I just. 01:15:58
Yeah, a general statement. 01:15:59
Yes, our goal is long term partnerships. 01:16:02
So rather than one year at a time, we don't want, we don't want the next person to be up here next year. 01:16:05
Having to present right if we we were fortunate enough to get the decision to move to the Group L Trust. 01:16:09
We hope that would be for. 01:16:16
The long term. 01:16:18
As I said at. 01:16:19
The joint meeting that we had that. 01:16:21
I didn't want to make a change last year and I'm very strong with. 01:16:25
When we make a change, it's to improve our. 01:16:29
Network. 01:16:33
So that we can attract. 01:16:34
More employees and. 01:16:37
And keep the employees we have. 01:16:38
Happy and content. 01:16:41
To be able to offer a wider range. 01:16:43
Thank you. 01:16:45
Thank you. 01:16:47
Kathy. 01:16:52
Probably what is the difference in price? 01:16:58
Like the family compared to this? 01:17:01
And a single. 01:17:04
To the employee. 01:17:08
You got it. Chris has got it here, Yes. 01:17:14
Yes. 01:17:17
So the. 01:17:18
Do you want? 01:17:20
Current, yes or their renewal. Oh, I guess the renewal so we can bare apples to apples, yes, so the renewal is. 01:17:21
One for Single 1157. 01:17:30
.94. 01:17:34
And the family. 01:17:36
Is 2894.85. 01:17:38
Thank you. 01:17:41
You're welcome. 01:17:42
That's the Dean. 01:17:45
Did you hear that? 01:17:52
Cameron, you got something else? 01:17:54
Go ahead. So takeaways for supervisors tonight. Thank you to. 01:17:57
All of our presenters I want to express. 01:18:05
Appreciation for our. 01:18:08
Human resources department as well and the work that they have done, this has been a year long. 01:18:10
Endeavor. 01:18:14
To learn more about health insurance and what is available to us. 01:18:15
Takeaways to share #1. 01:18:19
The question about about timing. 01:18:23
We want to make sure that we are prepared for our typical open enrollment period. So we're looking for a decision. 01:18:26
Final decision in September, so we'll be coming back to this body based on. 01:18:32
Response from or sponsorship of a potential resolution. 01:18:36
On the part of. 01:18:40
The Human Resources Committee. 01:18:42
That will come forward. 01:18:43
For their discussion at their September meeting with the anticipation that we'd have something at the county board. 01:18:45
As well in September, there was an employee meeting earlier today to. 01:18:50
Invite. 01:18:55
Folks to come in and ask any questions that they had, we've also submitted. 01:18:56
Information via e-mail. Constant contact reminders. 01:19:00
Newsletter reminders to. 01:19:03
Look up their providers so that we can get feedback from our employees if their providers are. 01:19:05
Within the network as provided or not, so we have a better understanding of what that impact might be if we change. 01:19:10
The umm. 01:19:17
A reminder to everyone here. 01:19:18
What staff has anticipated and perceived from presentations thus far, it appears that what we would be looking at if we were to 01:19:21
switch. 01:19:25
Is an increased value and increase in available resources to employees. 01:19:29
Generally, we again don't know what exactly would be the case for. 01:19:34
Individual families or households. 01:19:39
Of our employees and we want that information from them. 01:19:42
The second part is is as was mentioned. 01:19:44
When we talk about rate increases, every option has an increase for 2026, however, this is the lowest proposed increase. 01:19:47
Of available options as well as the lowest proposed Guaranteed Rate for 2027. 01:19:56
With the guaranteed not to exceed 9.9%. 01:20:02
The health the United healthcare system is the largest. 01:20:06
Network not the largest, but. 01:20:10
A significant nationwide network and so it's larger than anything else that we've experienced in. 01:20:13
At least since 2019. 01:20:18
And then? 01:20:21
When we searched for. 01:20:22
For self funding options. 01:20:23
Earlier this year and fully evaluated whether or not self funding taking care of it 100%. 01:20:26
On our own shoulders. 01:20:31
Was a viable option and concluded that it. 01:20:33
It was not. 01:20:35
The reason for that drive is really the opportunity to have all the data and information on our. 01:20:37
Health and well-being of our people. 01:20:41
But also puts. 01:20:43
Instead of coming to. 01:20:45
You all asking for new Wellness programs that are additional cost. 01:20:47
Or somehow pitted against other things in a budget. 01:20:51
Self funding puts us all on the same side of the table. 01:20:54
Looking at how to save costs for Dodge County and improve the Wellness of employees. 01:20:57
While this is not directly a self funding. 01:21:02
WCAGHT is a group. 01:21:07
Program where we are part of a group that is together funding. 01:21:09
Ourselves. 01:21:13
We would be gaining all of the benefits. That or a majority of the benefits we'd be looking for in a self funded program. 01:21:14
Without. 01:21:21
Incurring all of the risk on our own shoulders. 01:21:22
For those reasons, we wanted to bring it forward. 01:21:26
Provide this information, but we'll be coming back after a discussion with HR committee. 01:21:28
In September. 01:21:32
Thank you. 01:21:33
Correct one thing. 01:21:34
Sorry, I do need to give you a different number. I looked at the wrong column. 01:21:36
In my reading glasses on. 01:21:40
Sorry about that. 01:21:41
So the Dean renewal. 01:21:42
Rates. 01:21:44
Our night single is 96758. 01:21:46
Family is 2418. 01:21:51
95. 01:21:53
WCA. 01:21:55
Is 950 for a single. 01:21:58
And 2375. 01:22:00
For a family. 01:22:03
Just want to make sure that was. 01:22:05
OK. All right. Thank you. 01:22:09
Dale or Joe, do you want to introduce Dean or? 01:22:12
$43 million for new ratio system. 01:22:22
That's what they're reporting on the radio. 01:22:28
Bryant. 01:22:35
Close that curtain back there. 01:22:37
Good evening. We have here with us Dean Hart from Tucson. 01:22:41
Engineering. 01:22:45
And consulting Dean is the CEO of the company and we've worked a lot with him as his staff. 01:22:46
To conduct this presentation and report back on. 01:22:52
The type of system and our communications. 01:22:57
Infrastructure and analysis so. 01:23:02
Turn it over to Dean. 01:23:04
Good evening, Dodge County Board of Supervisors Dean Hart with TUSA Consulting. 01:23:10
So, some light technical talk tonight. I'll try not to be too much of A. 01:23:16
Propellerhead, as I stand before you. 01:23:20
A little introduction about Tusa Consulting. It's been in business since 1992. 01:23:22
Two, says the gentleman's name. It was the founder. 01:23:28
Nick retired in about 5 years ago and afforded me to. 01:23:31
By the company so proud to stand before you today. 01:23:36
To present this. 01:23:39
We're going to one of the things that we did as part of this. 01:23:42
Assessment was we did a needs assessment of your current radio system. 01:23:46
We talk to your users. 01:23:51
To see what their needs were. 01:23:53
Based on modern communications. 01:23:55
We did. We visited all of your radio sites to include your dispatch center. 01:23:57
We did user interviews. We did. 01:24:02
Several conventional or, excuse me, conceptual designs and we've got the budgets to support that as well. 01:24:05
So we in our needs assessment, we go by what we call the three eyes, which is investigate, interview and inspect so. 01:24:13
Again, we go out and look at what you got. 01:24:20
We talk to your users, all your public safety users, as well as public service users here in the county. 01:24:22
And we also inspect what you have. 01:24:28
So these were the sites. 01:24:32
That we visited which all these I'm sure familiar to you. I'll go through that. 01:24:34
The site condition details were provided in the report. 01:24:40
This is also your current VHF simulcast, an underlying simulcast, because that's important. 01:24:47
When you simulcast, if I'm down in Aspen and I talk on that radio tower, it broadcasts to the other eight sites. 01:24:52
9 sites total throughout the county. 01:24:59
And it's all doing it at the same time. 01:25:02
So you create a phenomenon called simulcast interference. 01:25:05
If it's managed properly, the system will work good. If it's not. 01:25:09
And I'm gonna show you that here in a bit. 01:25:13
It does not work good. 01:25:15
Your microwave is in a star configuration as well. 01:25:18
And that is working on getting replaced and I will show you. 01:25:22
What our design configuration? 01:25:26
Is as well. 01:25:28
Some site visits highlights. 01:25:31
You haven't done preventative maintenance on your radio system for a while. 01:25:33
I I always use the example you can't buy a new fire truck not change oil. 01:25:38
Got to put new tires on it when you drive it a lot. 01:25:41
It's very important to to. 01:25:44
Keep that system PM D. 01:25:46
On a yearly level. 01:25:48
Same way your subscribers, the handheld radios, the mobiles and the vehicles, those take maintenance. 01:25:50
That's really been non existent from our findings. 01:25:56
That appears to be a matter of budget to do those. 01:26:00
Tasks. 01:26:03
Site grounding needs attention. It's really not following industry standards in all cases. 01:26:05
Grounding is important. You've got a huge investment in each one of those sites and your grounding is some insurance to make sure 01:26:11
lightning hits. 01:26:14
That that public safety equipment doesn't take a hit and go off the air. 01:26:18
Generators are there, but many are not suited for what we would consider modern day communications networks. 01:26:23
Civil maintenance, fencing, we control, those types of things need some attention. 01:26:30
Your microwave is end of life. 01:26:36
But it's. 01:26:38
Planned for replacement. 01:26:39
One of the things we were looking at is to make sure that it can support what may be considered for the new radio system as well. 01:26:40
Consoles are approaching end of life in 20-30. 01:26:48
In the dispatch center. 01:26:51
And your base station repeaters are approaching the end of life in 2034. 01:26:53
So just key highlights on your current radio system. 01:26:59
We did user interviews of public safety and public service department heads, sheriff, local law enforcement, fire and EMS 01:27:04
dispatch, roads and bridge, other county users. 01:27:09
We wanted to talk to everybody. 01:27:15
We got a pretty good, we do an online survey, we got a good response from that so. 01:27:17
Letting us know what they got and what they need. 01:27:24
Some of the needs that were identified by those users as coverage. 01:27:29
You know when you really look at your radio system and you spend money, you're purchasing coverage. 01:27:33
The tower sites, the generators, the shelters, all that other stuff is to support that coverage need. 01:27:38
Audio quality. The users experience broken and poor audio. I'm going to talk about simulcast as well because that's a product of 01:27:45
that. 01:27:48
Interoperability Public safety struggles to communicate with the surrounding counties and the state. 01:27:53
Reliability of your radio system and the performance was reported as poor. 01:27:59
And training. In some cases, users found it difficult to use the radios on incidents and defying common channels. 01:28:05
So those were the highlights from the user interview. 01:28:11
One of the things that we did was we did a drive test throughout the county and that was to measure the current coverage from your 01:28:16
radio sites. 01:28:20
And when I look at this just from strictly a coverage perspective. 01:28:25
You should have pretty good coverage in your county. I mean, there's this coverage is good enough to support portable on the hip. 01:28:29
On the street throughout the county. 01:28:35
Now, umm. 01:28:37
That's different than when I walk into a building as a public safety user. 01:28:38
But it's important. 01:28:42
And this is the coverage from your current system. So we're able to put your current system into a propagation model. 01:28:46
As you really see that dark orange is multiple towers again. 01:28:53
Broadcasting at the same time. 01:28:58
You should have pretty good coverage in your county. 01:29:00
Should. 01:29:03
But the simulcast piece that I talked about with all nine sites broadcasting at the same time. 01:29:06
They create a phenomenon called time delay interference. 01:29:13
That has to be engineered and managed. 01:29:16
In the case of your system, it's not. 01:29:18
And so everywhere you look in purple. 01:29:21
Is noise. 01:29:24
Being self generated by your current radio system. 01:29:26
That creates situations potentially where public safety can't talk. 01:29:29
It creates a problem in that area. 01:29:34
What's ironic? 01:29:37
Is from the user interviews. 01:29:38
They pointed out these are the areas they struggle to talk in. 01:29:41
I kind of toggle back and forth here. 01:29:44
You see a lot of. 01:29:47
That TDI area. 01:29:48
In areas where they say they struggle to talk. 01:29:50
So the two kind of help match up. 01:29:54
From a technicals perspective. 01:29:57
The other thing that's important in your VHF So that's a band. 01:30:03
The public safety allocates. 01:30:08
To as part of the FCC. 01:30:10
It's approximately 150 megahertz to 174 megahertz. 01:30:14
In the case of what they call Part 90 for public safety. 01:30:19
There's a lot of things in the VHF band that can generate noise. 01:30:23
A dirty transformer from a substation. The substation can generate noise. 01:30:27
And we're able to measure noise in those cases and so? 01:30:33
I I put a couple examples here for the audience. 01:30:37
This is Fox Lake. We're quite frankly from the area we were in. We expected a high noise floor. 01:30:40
What we found, a lot of activity here, you see a lot of people talking. That's all those different lines going up. Those are 01:30:47
carriers. Those are somebody talking on a radio system in the in the VHF band. 01:30:52
The noise floor is about -130. 01:30:57
That's pretty good for VHF. 01:31:00
In the technical world, we wish they could all be that. 01:31:02
What was interesting man, we went to Reeseville site. 01:31:05
Which is a rural site. 01:31:08
And we looked at the noise floor and it's sitting at neg 90. 01:31:10
That's huge. 01:31:14
For affordable to overcome and talk above that noise floor and talk into a radio site. 01:31:15
That becomes a challenge. 01:31:21
And you don't see a lot of carriers here talking. 01:31:23
It's just strictly noise floor. 01:31:25
One of the complaints from Watertown Fire. 01:31:28
Was they get just South of Dodge County and they cannot hear their pagers or they cannot get paged. 01:31:31
We went down there, we were seeing that same noise floor about next 75 in certain instances. 01:31:37
So. 01:31:43
Very high from. 01:31:44
A VHF perspective. 01:31:46
It has to be taken in consideration. 01:31:49
In how the system is designed or what the future. 01:31:52
Radio Band. 01:31:55
Interoperability challenges. 01:31:59
So you've got. 01:32:01
For VHF counties. 01:32:03
To the West and South. 01:32:06
You've got 3800 Meg counties to the north and to the east. 01:32:08
And you're on VHF in the middle. 01:32:12
The other one that's important is these are all VHF conventional with the exception of Dane County. It's VHF trumped. 01:32:15
So that adds another. 01:32:22
Technology perspective that has to be considered. 01:32:23
If you're going to interoperate with the surrounding counties in these frequency bands. 01:32:27
The state is currently BHF trunk. 01:32:33
They're moving to 7800. 01:32:35
With their wisdom to plan. 01:32:38
So from the needs assessment, we create a conceptual solutions. 01:32:45
We looked at. 01:32:50
Strictly just A5 site, 7 channel, VHF conventional. 01:32:51
Which is half the site you got today. 01:32:56
We looked at 9 sites, 6 channel. 01:32:59
P25 in the 7800 band. 01:33:01
And we consider really three options. With that, you could own it and maintain it all. 01:33:04
Or you can partner with Wiscom. Or you can partner with. 01:33:09
Whispin Wisdom is a Harris system that's being installed through state. 01:33:12
Whispin is a Motorola solution. 01:33:19
That's being offered as well. That would interface to wiscom. 01:33:22
And then we looked at a standalone system. 01:33:26
So those were the four options that we considered in this. 01:33:31
You know, I wanted to talk just a little bit more. What's P25 simulcast? P25 is a project standard that was developed by. 01:33:36
The FCC. 01:33:44
After 911, when it was found out a lot of people couldn't talk, the government set that standard and finally set that standard. 01:33:47
And, umm. 01:33:54
There's where grants are available to support that. 01:33:55
From the federal side. 01:33:58
And what P25 does is allow more competition from the vendors. 01:34:00
Which is better for the taxpayers and and cost when you're looking at replacing a system or maintaining it? 01:34:04
Simulcast again is would be all sites broadcasting at the same time on a specific frequency. 01:34:14
But if that's engineered correctly. 01:34:20
And that's done correctly. 01:34:23
It does not create the problems that you see. 01:34:24
Or that I demonstrated. 01:34:27
Needed coverage, you know. 01:34:33
Every officer or firefighter today carries a portable radio. 01:34:35
We have to anticipate that they're carrying it on the hip. 01:34:40
You know what's that mean if I talk at this level is a different design and that when that portable is carried on that public 01:34:44
safety officials hip. 01:34:47
And so those things have to go into consideration in the design. 01:34:51
But of course we know police and fire go into buildings as well, so those have to be taken into consideration. 01:34:55
Single story wood frame house is about 6 DB. 01:35:02
What's that mean to you if I reduce 100 Watt light bulb? 01:35:05
To six DB I've taken it down to 25 Watt light bulb. I've dimmed it that much just by walking into that building. 01:35:09
So those considerations have to be given. 01:35:16
And then TUSA is recommending coverage especially in the municipal areas where you have. 01:35:21
High population or any urban density or warehouses AT20DB. 01:35:26
What's a 20 DB building? 01:35:31
It's a jail, it's a Walmart, it's a school. 01:35:33
One of the things that we asked for in the user surveys was critical buildings as well. 01:35:37
The other thing we look at? 01:35:43
Is we design it for a short antenna? 01:35:44
Police officers carrying that on his. 01:35:47
On his vest here or carrying it on his hip. Doesn't want to stick him in the shoulder. Doesn't want it tickling his ear. 01:35:49
So we'd make sure that the radio systems designed. 01:35:55
For worst case scenarios, which is a short antenna. 01:35:59
One of the things we looked at on your VHF system as part of the. 01:36:04
Requirements that were asked for by your public safety group. 01:36:08
Was. 01:36:12
Is the current system. 01:36:14
I'm gonna say optimized. 01:36:15
And when we looked at that. 01:36:17
I can sit here technically and reduce that system to five sites. 01:36:19
On a transmit level. 01:36:23
I would still keep the other four sites for receive and affordable. 01:36:25
But I can sit here and almost. 01:36:29
Gain the same amount of coverage that you saw before. 01:36:31
With five sites transmitting. 01:36:34
Not 9 sites. 01:36:36
So one of the things that we looked at was is there? 01:36:38
Things that you can readily do today to improve your radio system. 01:36:42
While you're working on the replacement for your radio system and this is one of the things that we will recommend. 01:36:46
Here's if you remember that old TDI map, it was all purple. 01:36:53
If it's been designed correctly and timed correctly. 01:36:57
There's the TDI or the self interference from the five sites versus what you saw earlier from the 10 sites. 01:37:00
So we believe you can talk just as well on that. 01:37:08
But but you still need to look at replacing your radio system long term. 01:37:14
The other thing we look at is ring microwave. 01:37:20
Umm, we look at the sites, they were in a star configuration. We look at making a ring. 01:37:24
So it adds a level of and redundancy to your radio system. 01:37:29
This is the five site. We also provided a ring for the 9 sites. 01:37:34
When we look at the 7-8 hundred band, which has been designated primarily for public safety and it's been coordinated for public 01:37:42
safety. 01:37:46
It was going to take 9 sites. 01:37:50
Most of those are your current sites, so you have towers and shelters that can support that. 01:37:53
We did look at adding two new sites in the North Central portion. 01:37:57
And the South Central portion? 01:38:02
To at least achieve. 01:38:04
Pretty well 10 DB across the county. 01:38:06
That's the ring configuration then for those sites. 01:38:12
One of the things that Tusa is kind of proud of, and most people can recall this. 01:38:17
When we look at our specs for public safety. 01:38:22
When the hurricane came through, Katrina came through in 2005. 01:38:26
Our specifications made a radio system that didn't go off the air during that time frame. 01:38:31
That's important because when that kind of disaster happens. 01:38:36
Public safety still has to be able to communicate. 01:38:39
And come out and do triage and and do the job they do for the citizens. 01:38:42
That same thought goes into. 01:38:46
Dodge County, Wisconsin. 01:38:48
I know you just had a tornado here in Juneau recently. You just had a train derailment. 01:38:50
Public safety's got to be able to communicate during those bad times. 01:38:55
So our specifications go into that. 01:38:58
For the sites, for the how the sites are connected, how the sites are powered. 01:39:01
Different things like that. 01:39:06
Here comes the part that I know that this group was waiting for SO. 01:39:11
When we look at a 5 site, 7 channel design to replace your system because it is becoming end of life components. 01:39:16
It was approximately 22 million. 01:39:24
You guys asked for a total cost of ownership, so that's. 01:39:26
Maintain it. 01:39:30
For an additional. 01:39:32
20 years. 01:39:33
That is estimated at about 9 million. So your total cost of ownership for that option over that 20 years is approximately 31.7 01:39:34
million. 01:39:38
When you look at that, that's the cheapest option. It's not an option that we recommend. 01:39:45
For all the reasons that we talked about with VHF. 01:39:50
We can mitigate some of that and make it a little bit better in the interim. 01:39:53
But I do not consider that a long term solution. 01:39:57
For your county. 01:40:00
The others are 9 sites, 6 channel 7800. 01:40:03
Phase 2. 01:40:06
P25. 01:40:08
So in the phase two world of P25 means for every channel I have, I can have two talk paths on it. I can have two conversations 01:40:09
going on at the same time. 01:40:13
Technology of the radio system. 01:40:18
If you own that. 01:40:21
And to build it out, it's approximately 35 million. 01:40:23
That's what the replacement of all your subscribers as well mobile's and portables in the county. 01:40:26
And total cost of ownership is near 50 million. 01:40:32
Where that's important. 01:40:35
Is you're having, if you own it and it's standalone, you're having to take care of it on your own. 01:40:37
We looked at two other options as well, which is joining the state of Wisconsin on Wisconsin 2. 01:40:43
Or joining. 01:40:49
Which ties into Wizcom 2. 01:40:51
As you see the build out is about the same. 01:40:54
The savings is you don't have to buy a core. 01:40:57
Which is the main controller of the radio system. 01:40:59
And you don't have to maintain a core because that's being maintained by somebody else you share. 01:41:02
You share in that core. 01:41:08
So you see a little bit of cost savings. 01:41:09
Couple $1,000,000 That's a lot. 01:41:12
And you see a couple $1,000,000 and in some cases $5,000,000 on the long term total cost of ownership. 01:41:14
Because you're not having to sit and maintain a core. 01:41:21
Which typically will run. 01:41:24
400 grand a year if you have to do that yourself. 01:41:26
So really, the next steps. 01:41:34
We were. 01:41:36
Asked to put together a proposal to obtain quotes for preventative maintenance on your current system. 01:41:37
If you think about replacing the system. 01:41:43
It's probably be about a six month to a year process to do that. 01:41:46
Under competitive procurement. 01:41:50
And then it's probably about a two year build out to do that. 01:41:52
So your current system has to stay in place and maintain its integrity for public safety for probably two to three years. 01:41:55
So it does need preventative maintenance. 01:42:03
The subscribers need preventative maintenance. 01:42:05
And there's some other deferred maintenance items that should be considered in that as well. 01:42:08
Umm, the next steps is approve and select a conceptual solution. 01:42:13
Out of one of those 4. 01:42:18
We recommend that you at least if you go out to competitive RFP, you do it as a stand alone because that lets you compare vendor 01:42:21
to vendor, apples to apples. 01:42:25
And then according to the. 01:42:30
Winner of that process. Competitive process. 01:42:32
Then you they have options. 01:42:35
So the Wiz com is a Harris option? 01:42:37
The Wispin is a Motorola option. They can both bid stand alone. 01:42:39
Kenwood could build bit a standalone, take a bit of standalone. There's four primary vendors out there. 01:42:43
That can do this work today in public safety. 01:42:50
Create a request for proposal. 01:42:54
Where that's important is Wiz COM 2 is offering state grant opportunities. 01:42:56
So by knowing a competitive price for a new radio system. 01:43:01
That is a strong message into Wisconsin that could potentially help you. 01:43:06
Pay for some of this. 01:43:10
My understanding of it. 01:43:12
Is they'll pay up to $10 million, which is 20. They'll pay up to. 01:43:14
25% not to exceed $10 million. 01:43:18
So you could have a $40 million radio system that they're looking. 01:43:21
To spend roughly 10 million on. 01:43:24
That's a grant process. It would have to be done and justified. 01:43:26
But umm. 01:43:30
If you move towards the 7800. 01:43:31
Which the state's doing with Whispin as well as Wisconsin 2. 01:43:34
I think you got a strong message for grant dollars that would help fund. 01:43:38
Specifically, subscribers. 01:43:42
For your public safety members of Dodge County. 01:43:45
And that concludes. 01:43:50
My presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions. 01:43:52
The. 01:43:56
So paging in my mind paging should be maintained. 01:44:03
It's an opportunity to keep some of your existing equipment in place. 01:44:07
Improve upon that simulcast noise issue, but maintain your VHF pagers. 01:44:11
OK, that in essence and means we're maintaining 2 systems if we switch. 01:44:17
It would still be considered in my mind all on the same network. 01:44:24
So I would have VHF. 01:44:27
Components for paging in the same sites that I've got 7-8 hundred. 01:44:29
And in some cases, if it's done right, I'm going to have nine sites for 7-8 hundred. 01:44:33
Five of those sites would have a BHF paging repeater in them to do the paging for that purpose. 01:44:38
Donna. 01:44:50
Catches my attention definitely if we can get some dollars to help because it's not going to be an inexpensive. 01:44:56
Process no matter what we go. 01:45:02
We do have. 01:45:06
People internally who would be involved with that because of their expertise. 01:45:07
However. 01:45:12
Would we have assistance from you, your staff? 01:45:13
For some other intricate. 01:45:17
Information that we might need. 01:45:19
That would assist in writing those grants or a grant. 01:45:21
Absolutely. Yes, ma'am. 01:45:25
Jody just tried to call in. Want to see if we got it working now. 01:45:29
OK. 01:45:33
Yeah, we got. Go ahead. 01:45:44
What is the purpose of a microwave? What is the microwave? 01:45:48
Microwave is, I'm gonna call it, your telephone lines in the air. 01:45:51
So it's it's your connectivity between the sites that allow the sites to talk to each other. 01:45:55
In the public safety world, fiber is available, but nobody digs up a microwave shot that's in on a top of a tower. They do dig up 01:46:02
fiber, or if trees fall during storms, many times fibers running above ground. 01:46:08
And is creates an outage. 01:46:15
So we do that to create connectivity between the radio sites so they can all talk to each other. 01:46:18
With that added that. 01:46:24
Again, we're not going to dig it up. 01:46:27
Like fiber or telephone lines? 01:46:29
Go ahead, Jeff. 01:46:33
How will this affect the small volunteer departments? If we change to a system like this, what would be the impact on them? 01:46:37
Primarily I see subscriber costs. 01:46:44
And I think that's where the grant has value to help them, especially the small communities out with the with the subscriber side 01:46:47
of this, they would be looking at replacing their. 01:46:52
Portables and mobile radio. 01:46:56
So would be the cost to them would be replacing all of their. 01:46:58
All of their radio equipment, basically. That's worst case. Yes, Sir. 01:47:02
What would that cost? 01:47:08
A small local department Any any guesstimate? 01:47:09
It's it's detailed in the report by department to show that cost to you guys. 01:47:15
I think subscriber costs what we were looking at and this was around 15,000,000 for all of Dodge County. 01:47:22
That was everybody. 01:47:28
So if you were to guess, what's the up cost? 01:47:38
To go to the ring versus. 01:47:42
The star configuration. 01:47:44
It's probably about the same because you're really still establishing the same number of links, I'm just doing it in a different 01:47:47
configuration to give me that reduction hardware required. 01:47:51
Maybe just. 01:47:56
It's it's a reconfiguration of what you currently have, maybe some expansion according to the number of sites. 01:47:58
And then? 01:48:04
Maybe if somebody could explain why Fox Lake correctional? 01:48:06
Has so many subscriber modules and. 01:48:10
I mean the cost. 01:48:13
Proposals like. 01:48:15
Over $1,000,000. 01:48:16
We've taken the numbers that they provided us on their subscribers and they're part of our one. 01:48:19
154 system, I mean our VHF system now. 01:48:24
I'm not trying to understand what you're asking, Sir. 01:48:28
They're using our VHF system now. 01:48:32
For all the radios. 01:48:34
I believe so. 01:48:36
I can't say that 100%. 01:48:38
I I try to understand why Fox Lake is built into this. Fox Lake Correctional is built into this. So, so we reached out to all the 01:48:41
county agencies that we knew we need to interoperate with. 01:48:46
And they were on our list, so they provided us quality information on the type of units that they have. 01:48:52
Right now they are on the state Wisconsin. I believe they're connected to them by. 01:48:57
By virtue of a trunk system. 01:49:03
They're working on 7-8 hundred for their everyday operations. 01:49:05
They do have an interface into our county wide system. 01:49:09
Through some interfaces. 01:49:13
But allowing them some better interoperability and our ability to interoperate with them when responding into the institution was 01:49:15
something that we wanted to take into account. 01:49:19
So, so it's something that when we're purchasing units for them, it would be negotiator. 01:49:24
Discussion with them on Do you need? 01:49:29
$1,000,000 worth of radios. Can we provide that or not? 01:49:32
You know, we want the interoperability though, and that's where we lack within the prison systems. And so Fox Lake with the rest. 01:49:36
So Fox Lake. 01:49:42
Responded but. 01:49:43
WCI, DCI and Burke. 01:49:45
Did not. 01:49:47
But the potential exists that they may come in later and request. 01:49:49
Interoperability. 01:49:54
Yes, possibly. OK. How many other departments didn't reply? 01:49:57
We had pretty good turn out. 01:50:01
We can look at the numbers, but the ones that we didn't get some from, we were knocking on doors a couple of times to make sure 01:50:03
that we received them OK. And all the DPW's, I mean, then that's. 01:50:08
Yep, they were also included. 01:50:13
OK. 01:50:16
Anyone else? 01:50:19
Just on behalf of the Radio Communications Committee. 01:50:25
I just just as if those on the Executive committee recall, when Joe and I requested the formation that committee, it was because 01:50:28
we were looking at three additional towers in our county. 01:50:33
At a cost of about $3,000,000 to do that. And I just wanted to let everybody know that the reason we asked for this committee is 01:50:38
to make sure that we didn't spend that $3,000,000 on towers. 01:50:43
And then find out we shouldn't have done that. 01:50:47
And I think the report here shows. 01:50:50
We shouldn't have done that. So I'm very glad that we we went this route, I think in the long run. 01:50:52
It is money well spent on Dean to get us to where we are, to give us good recommendations so we don't spend money, but we 01:50:57
shouldn't be spending. 01:51:00
And then also on behalf of the committee. 01:51:03
We are going to be meeting here at the beginning of September. We have a meeting coming up to discuss our next steps. 01:51:06
Between now and then. 01:51:12
I would appreciate any feedback. 01:51:15
From any of you regarding what your thoughts are, it would be very valuable. 01:51:18
If you would send that to either the Chair, Supervisor, Conway, myself, the Vice Chair, or Joe. 01:51:23
The the secretary and get that to one of us. We will then bring your feedback to the entire committee so that everybody has an 01:51:29
understanding of. 01:51:33
Really what the county board is looking at at this point, and we don't do things that you're just going to say no to in the long 01:51:37
run. We're looking for some feedback. 01:51:40
Go ahead. 01:51:46
Difficult, I believe, to read the report because. 01:51:58
It's like we got to replace everything all at once. 01:52:02
$40 million or? 01:52:04
$33,000,000 to build it out. 01:52:06
But yet the councils we have have end of life 20-30 you mentioned and even the bases you know into life. 01:52:08
2034. 01:52:15
Can, but do we have to replace it all at one time because there's incompatibility? 01:52:16
Or. 01:52:22
What? And then, of course, I also noticed there's, you know, $6 million worth of buildings. 01:52:24
Inside of the proposal. 01:52:30
Which? 01:52:32
I guess I didn't expect that. 01:52:35
Stuff I mean. 01:52:36
It's all that going to be necessary. 01:52:37
So. 01:52:40
The answer is yes and and really it depends. 01:52:41
To put in two new sites that we talked about to create that level of coverage throughout the county. 01:52:46
You've got to either got to rent towers or you've got to build your own. 01:52:51
The business case shows that if you buy them versus a. 01:52:56
Work on a. 01:53:01
American Tower SBA or Crown Castle leasing that real estate. 01:53:02
About an 8 year. 01:53:06
Business case that you can own it versus leasing it so it's it's. 01:53:09
The typical rent versus own model. 01:53:13
In those cases where you may have to build a new site, you've got to put in a generator and a shelter to hold that equipment. 01:53:16
Umm, I know you talked about we're looking at replacing the technology at your current sites and then adding those new sites. 01:53:25
So you do have good infrastructure in place in your towers and your shelters that can be reused. 01:53:32
We didn't throw those out. We were just looking at. 01:53:39
Where you needed potentially new sites. 01:53:41
And a good one is the site you're in at Beaver Dam. 01:53:44
That site's not going to hold a new radio system. You really need to get out of there and that, you know, that was considered as a 01:53:48
new tower and a building I think in your example and then the other two sites. 01:53:54
So you're not looking at replacing everything. 01:54:00
You are looking at replacing your technology. You can reuse some of your technology for fire paging. 01:54:03
Umm, I think according if you. 01:54:10
If you had to reuse your umm. 01:54:13
Consoles. It would be a sole source purchase at that point. It would not be a competitive purchase. 01:54:15
So I think. 01:54:21
If you look at what it would cost to replace it later. 01:54:22
Versus now under competitive environment, I would recommend you replace it now under that competitive environment. 01:54:26
OK. Thank you. 01:54:33
Anyone else? 01:54:35
OK. Thank you, Dean. Thank you. 01:54:38
All right, resolutions on file. 01:54:44
Resolutions on file. 01:55:00
Resolution 2523. Commendation of Christine Churchill. 01:55:02
To the Honorable Board of Supervisors of Dodge County, Wisconsin. 01:55:10
WHEREAS, Christine Churchill has contributed 20 years of dedicated service to Dodge County. 01:55:14
And the citizens of Dodge County and. 01:55:19
Whereas, Dodge County and its citizens have benefited from the services she has provided. 01:55:21
And whereas Christine Churchill has chosen to resign from her position. 01:55:27
Of 911 communications Lieutenant at the Sheriff's Office. 01:55:31
And now therefore. 01:55:35
Be it resolved that we. 01:55:37
The Dodge County Board of Supervisors pause in its deliberations to recognize and commend Christine Churchill. 01:55:39
For her 20 years of meritorious service. 01:55:44
And be it further resolved, that on behalf of the citizens of Dodge County. 01:55:47
This board does herewith extend to her appreciation for her many accomplishments and successes. 01:55:51
Over the 20 years of service. 01:55:57
And. 01:55:59
Be it finally resolved. 01:56:00
That a copy of this resolution be entered into the official records of the Dodge County Board of Supervisors. 01:56:02
And that a copy of this resolution be forwarded to Christine Churchill as a token of appreciation on a part of this board. 01:56:08
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 01:56:14
Signed by five members of the Human Resources Committee. 01:56:19
Please rise, if you are able, for a standing vote of acceptance. 01:56:22
Thank you. 01:56:33
Resolution 25. 01:56:46
24. 01:56:48
Alter the boundaries of Dodge County Supervisory district #2 and 31 due to annexation. 01:56:50
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 01:56:59
Signed by six members of the Executive Committee. 01:57:06
Fiscal note, there is no fiscal impact. 01:57:09
Finance Committee Review date August 11th, 2025 initialed by Finance Committee chair. 01:57:14
I have a motion by Supervisor Klobuchar and second by Supervisor Belk. 01:57:20
Any discussion on this resolution? 01:57:25
Any discussion? 01:57:30
If you agree with the recommendation, please vote yes. If you do not, vote no. 01:57:33
OK, a few of them are. 01:58:19
Starting to go. 01:58:20
We're gonna have. 01:58:50
Get back. Take away your motion in your second. That's fine. 01:58:52
OK, no, put it back in to discuss. 01:59:35
OK, for this, for the sake of moving forward, I'm going to ask for a voice. 01:59:48
Vote on this one. 01:59:52
Yeah, I think I can. 01:59:56
OK. 02:00:00
OK, if you didn't motion or second, please do not touch your piano. 02:00:07
Please. 02:00:12
That is not helping. 02:00:14
Yeah. 02:00:19
OK, now try the phone. 02:00:24
Yeah, if you want. 02:00:49
It's not no, I just. 02:00:54
Does anyone have a problem with doing a voice vote on the next couple of? 02:01:16
OK. All right. 02:01:26
Great. 02:01:34
All right, we have the motion on the floor. 02:01:36
For 2524, altering the boundaries of the supervisor districts. 02:01:39
If you agree with the recommendation. 02:01:44
Please say aye. 02:01:46
Aye, opposed. 02:01:48
That is carried. 02:01:50
Resolution 2526. 02:01:58
Ratified the delegation of authority to enter into settlement agreements with opioid defendants. 02:02:01
Hold on, hold on. 02:02:16
Yeah, we just did 2524. OK, I apologize, 2525. 02:02:19
Alter the boundaries of Dodge County Supervisor district #5 and #29 due to annexation from the town of. 02:02:25
Beaver Dam to City of Beaver Dam. 02:02:33
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 02:02:35
Signed by. 02:02:41
Six members of the executive committee. 02:02:44
Finance Committee review date There is no fiscal effect. 02:02:47
Reviewed August 11, 2025. 02:02:52
OK. 02:02:57
Have a motion by supervisor Kane, second by supervisor. 02:02:59
Any discussion? 02:03:04
Hearing none, if you agree, please say aye. 02:03:07
Aye, aye. 02:03:12
Opposed. 02:03:13
That is good. 02:03:14
OK. 02:03:22
Move on to it. 02:03:37
2526, Yep. 02:04:02
OK. 02:04:04
So, Bill? 02:04:18
No, OK, you gotta read this one. 02:04:20
Sorry, OK. 02:04:23
Ratifying the delegation of authority to enter into cell settlement agreements with opioid abundance. 02:04:25
To designate Dodge County To designate a Dodge County officials. 02:04:33
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 02:04:40
Signed by six members of the Executive Committee. 02:04:46
Fiscal note, there is no fiscal impact. 02:04:49
Finance Committee review date August 11, 2025. 02:04:52
Have a motion by supervisor My Nell, second by supervisor Beale. 02:04:59
Any questions? 02:05:03
On this one. 02:05:05
OK, we're going to do a roll of cough. 02:05:07
You think you can go? 02:05:11
Let's try that. 02:05:13
Everybody else can. Yeah, we have. 02:05:21
The ones who aren't in our supervisor prison. 02:05:24
Supervisor Keel. 02:05:27
To Bajaj Kane. 02:05:29
And we need to ask Sue Fraser. 02:05:31
OK. 02:06:15
Jeff, yours is not in yet. 02:06:19
Supervisor Conway. 02:06:28
Yes. 02:06:31
All having voted, it passes 26 to 0. 02:06:33
Resolution. 02:06:39
2527. 02:06:40
Resolution. 02:06:44
Denying an amendment to the official zoning map. 02:06:46
For the town of Asher pin adopted with land use code. 02:06:49
Dodge County. 02:06:53
To rezone certain lands in section 16, Town 9/9. 02:06:54
Range 17 E to town of Ashopen Kettle Forge Golf. 02:07:00
Comma LLC rezoning request. 02:07:05
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 02:07:08
Signed by three members of the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:07:14
And there is no fiscal. 02:07:19
I have a motion by Supervisor Klobuchar and a second by supervisor. 02:07:21
Discussion and this. 02:07:26
Resolution. 02:07:28
Let me turn your mic on. 02:07:37
Go ahead. 02:07:40
Sure. 02:07:43
If you vote yes, you are voting to deny. 02:07:44
You're agreeing with the committee. 02:07:49
To deny. 02:07:51
The zoning. 02:07:52
So if you if you. 02:07:55
Do not agree. 02:07:56
With the committee's recommended rezone. 02:07:58
You vote no. 02:08:01
The committee is recommending. 02:08:05
To vote no that to deny it. 02:08:09
So if you vote yes, you're voting to deny. 02:08:11
And if you vote no, you're you're voting. 02:08:15
To the opposite of what the resolution is. 02:08:18
SO discussion. 02:08:23
Supervisor Gutenberg. 02:08:28
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:08:30
Just a little housekeeping. 02:08:32
So I'm going to make a motion to remove lines one through 5. 02:08:34
On the second part of this resolution, because quite honestly, that stuff. 02:08:38
Did not take place. 02:08:41
The Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:08:43
Meeting upon which this. 02:08:46
Our topic was discussed and acted upon. 02:08:49
I attended that. 02:08:52
First hand I know that. 02:08:53
Mr. Burnett here made a motion. It was seconded by. 02:08:56
Miss bubbles and. 02:09:00
Vote was taken 2:00 to 3:00. 02:09:02
To not. 02:09:04
Go forward with the recommendation. There was no follow up. 02:09:07
Motion or anything to deny this so. 02:09:12
From from a logistics standpoint, this. 02:09:16
One through 5. 02:09:19
Doesn't. 02:09:21
Pertain. So that's a motion to remove 125. 02:09:23
Right for one through 5, page 2. 02:09:27
Oh. 02:09:30
So we have a motion to. 02:09:43
To remove the lanes one through 5. 02:09:45
On page 2. 02:09:47
Can. 02:09:57
And then? 02:10:06
I'm going to ask Corp council for. 02:10:25
Recommend what's the effect of that happen? 02:10:28
I'm gonna have to. 02:10:36
We haven't got your mic working. 02:10:38
And you just yell it out if we care. 02:10:41
OK. 02:10:51
OK, we have the motion to amend. 02:11:10
My supervisor Gucci Burger second by supervisor Molly to tape. 02:11:13
The lines. 02:11:17
One through 5 on page 2. Dave, is that what you're after? 02:11:29
One through 5, page 2. 02:11:32
Yeah, through nine, man. 02:11:33
OK. We have the motion to amend. Any discussion on the motion to amend? 02:11:37
Supervisor might know. 02:11:44
Yeah, I have a question. Is the Land, Resources and Parks committee confused about what they voted on last time? 02:11:47
I don't know if somebody want to speak from the committee. 02:11:56
The the answer to that simple answer to that is they voted. 02:11:59
Who denied? 02:12:03
And they did not turn around. 02:12:05
Affirmative. Affirmatively to that correct and. 02:12:08
Yes, the Diana Resources and Parks Committee was not confused. We were very set on what we wanted. There was three against. 02:12:13
That and two. 02:12:21
For it. 02:12:23
And no directive was given to do anything to that. It was just very clearly understood that we were. 02:12:24
As a majority, not in favor of the rezone. 02:12:31
So if we want to get into semantics and and procedure and all that, it will all end up the same place. It's just a way to just 02:12:35
kind of I think cloud the issue that. 02:12:40
This was not acceptable to. 02:12:46
To the committee period. 02:12:48
At the majority of the committee. 02:12:52
Yeah, I. 02:12:56
But. 02:12:58
You know, I can't have mentioned before, I mean, I attended the meeting. 02:12:59
I've also run several meetings. 02:13:03
And when a motion fails. 02:13:05
You know there should be a request. 02:13:07
To come back. 02:13:09
And do the opposite direction. 02:13:11
OK, no official action was taken. 02:13:13
By the Land, Resources and Park Committee. 02:13:16
On this. 02:13:19
Resolution. 02:13:21
So to bring it forward and say that they have a negative. 02:13:22
Recommendation is wrong and that's why I have requested to remove these 5 lines. 02:13:26
What these 5 lines? 02:13:32
Did not take place at that meeting. 02:13:34
And I received an e-mail. 02:13:37
Last night. 02:13:39
Talks about it. I've received a letter from an attorney that talks about it. 02:13:40
So, uh. 02:13:45
Yeah, it may not impact the final product, but. 02:13:46
For history. 02:13:50
This impact. 02:13:52
Anyone else that wants to speak? 02:13:57
On the amendment. 02:14:01
Supervisor Breslau. 02:14:05
Thank. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So if we were to eliminate lines one. 02:14:07
Through 5. 02:14:12
One. What about 7 through 9 then? 02:14:14
Where it's saying that. 02:14:19
We have a recommendation. 02:14:21
To deny. 02:14:23
I don't see how we can have that recommendation to deny if there. 02:14:25
Was under a vote on it. 02:14:29
I would I would think we would want to go. 02:14:32
One through 9. 02:14:34
With the amendment. 02:14:39
Yep. So what you have before you, the county board has the final. 02:14:53
Determination and what you want to do with this petition for rezone. 02:14:57
With the Land, Resources and Parks committee did. 02:15:01
Was made a motion to approve and as you can see in the history in the whereas clauses. 02:15:04
That motion did not get. 02:15:09
A favorable vote, if you will. 02:15:13
It failed on a two to three vote. 02:15:15
So it was construed as a denial. 02:15:17
Because they didn't as supervisor. 02:15:19
Huckenberger mentioned didn't then turn around and make another motion. 02:15:21
So what came out of the committee was. 02:15:25
The only conclusion that could have been drawn was. 02:15:28
The committee Three of the members were not in favor of approval. 02:15:31
And why are we here before you today? 02:15:34
Is the county board's action to decide whether or not to rezone? 02:15:37
And out of the committee again, it was construed as a as a denial because 3 members. 02:15:41
Did not approve. 02:15:47
So before you today is a resolution. 02:15:48
They came back to the committee. 02:15:50
They signed off on a resolution. Three of them signed off on a resolution to deny. 02:15:52
That's what's before you today. 02:15:57
So, as the Chair mentioned before, and I'm going to repeat it again because I think this is very important for you to understand. 02:15:59
If you vote yes to this resolution. 02:16:05
You are essentially saying yes, I want to deny this rezone petition. 02:16:08
If you vote no. 02:16:13
To this. 02:16:14
Resolution. 02:16:16
Then a subsequent action will need to be taken in the affirmative. 02:16:17
All right. 02:16:21
So if you have a favorable or a majority vote. 02:16:24
Of yes. 02:16:27
What will happen is you are denying the rezone petition. 02:16:28
Is that clear? 02:16:32
And we before us right now, we have the motion to amend, yes. 02:16:35
Any any way? 02:16:41
Finance on the motion to amend. 02:16:42
The wording of the resignation. 02:16:45
If you agree with the amendment, the amendment. 02:16:49
To take the lines. 02:16:52
One through 5 out. 02:16:54
Please vote yes if you do not. 02:16:55
Please vote no. 02:16:58
Supervisor Conway. 02:17:11
On the amendment, yes. 02:17:15
Having voted, the amendment passes 17 to 9. 02:17:20
Now we're back to the original. 02:17:26
Resolution as amended. 02:17:29
Any other discussion? 02:17:34
On the original. 02:17:36
Resolution. 02:17:38
Yeah. 02:17:41
Supervisor Vanderzman. 02:17:44
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:17:51
One of the people that came up. 02:17:54
For the public comment had mentioned something about the statutes for the county and. 02:17:56
How? 02:18:03
This agricultural. 02:18:04
A115 acres would go against that statute. 02:18:06
I was wondering if maybe Kim could comment on that. 02:18:09
I can't comment on that. I would defer to land resources and park staff. They gave a staff report and recommendations. 02:18:15
They went through the statute, they went through the farmland preservation plan. 02:18:21
As well as the county comprehensive plan to determine. 02:18:25
Whether or not the petition for rezone. 02:18:27
Would fit with or. 02:18:30
All the criteria were matched and I think the conclusion of staff. 02:18:31
Again, this was not the conclusion of the committee. 02:18:35
But I think the conclusion of staff is that it did. 02:18:37
So I did not go 1 by 1 to analyze each of the criteria. That is really the job of staff and job of the committee to do that. 02:18:40
OK. 02:18:50
I know that it's only the 15 acres of the 270. 02:18:55
Umm, and I understand where they're coming from. 02:19:00
But uh. 02:19:03
We have passed some A1 reasonings in this county. 02:19:06
I mean the. 02:19:12
Power. 02:19:14
Data center was 830 acres. 02:19:15
Yeah, a good farmland. 02:19:18
I I just. 02:19:22
I don't I don't see them. 02:19:23
Where we can say no to this and we say yes to all that other stuff. 02:19:25
Belk. 02:19:31
All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:19:34
2 questions. 02:19:36
And is a Township. 02:19:38
They in favor of this. 02:19:40
Yes. 02:19:43
And the E2 words does it allows it for golf courses? 02:19:44
Was that the county zoning 8th or is that where it was from the Township? 02:19:49
Would be Tony right there? 02:19:55
County zoning. 02:19:57
Thank you. 02:19:59
2 pages. Steger. 02:20:01
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:20:02
What I read in my packet. 02:20:04
The staff recommendations. 02:20:06
All everything that was asked of. 02:20:08
They approved. They said we were in line with everything, with the. 02:20:11
Land park and resources as far as comprehensive plan. 02:20:16
And everything else, they didn't have nothing. 02:20:21
To say against it. 02:20:23
So. 02:20:25
And the other thing is. 02:20:27
Like supervisor. 02:20:29
Band as Andy. 02:20:31
There's 255 acres that are A2 right now. So even if we turn down. 02:20:33
This 15.1 acres. 02:20:38
And not change it from A1 to A2. 02:20:40
If they if they issue a condition. 02:20:44
Conditional use permit on that 255 acres they could still put a golf course in. 02:20:47
At 15 acres, ain't gonna make. 02:20:52
He you know, yes or no? 02:20:54
On a golf course. 02:20:57
Because that other 255 acres is zoned A2 already says nothing so. 02:20:58
Thank you. 02:21:04
This is the practice. 02:21:04
Fraser Ball. 02:21:05
So. 02:21:08
I never remember and I could be wrong. 02:21:08
But I never remember us having a vote on something that the committee has said no to. 02:21:11
OK. 02:21:19
Is this happened before? 02:21:21
Yeah, twice in the last 3 1/2, twice and a half, three, 3 1/2 years, OK. 02:21:23
Yeah, because I think that's really weird. 02:21:27
Another thing and I and I heard someone, I heard one of the. 02:21:29
People who spoke tonight in the public comment and I just heard a supervisor repeat it. 02:21:33
If we start. 02:21:38
Saying yes to everything. 02:21:39
With this rezoning, they were just going to say yes to everything and we're not going to stop. 02:21:42
And I just heard a supervisor say, well, we said yes to this, so how can we say how can we said yes before, so how can we not say 02:21:46
yes again? 02:21:49
And I think at some point we have to. 02:21:53
Like stop. 02:21:55
And stand up for the farmers of Dodge County. 02:21:56
I mean. 02:22:01
I will ask you to refrain from. 02:22:02
Clapping during the meeting. Thank you. 02:22:09
So. 02:22:12
I am not in favor of rezoning this if the golf course can, and I've heard this said. 02:22:13
Repeated over a few times. 02:22:18
If the golf course can proceed without this being rezone, why bother rezoning it? Why don't we just? 02:22:20
Hold the line on zoning and let the golf course proceed. 02:22:24
If it's going to proceed but. 02:22:27
Let's hold the line. 02:22:29
And stick to our comprehensive plan and protect the farmland. 02:22:30
Because that's. 02:22:34
This is Dodge County. 02:22:35
This isn't Waukesha, this isn't Delafield. This is Dodge County. 02:22:36
Supervisor now. 02:22:41
This would be kind of a more theoretical question. 02:22:43
But if Kettle Forge understood before they bought this land that there will be a zoning fight. 02:22:47
Over it, which from my understanding they knew about ahead of time that this would you would have to have this section rezone. 02:22:54
Or we just kind of purchasing all this land betting that the Dodge County Board would just kind of roll over on whatever rezoning. 02:23:01
Haven't asked me do need to. 02:23:06
My bad. Yes, of course. So if the golf course can go ahead no matter what. 02:23:11
Perhaps we look forward to one of the first golf courses in Wisconsin having some farmland incorporated into it. 02:23:15
Supervisor Guggenberger. 02:23:25
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So this is in my backyard, so. 02:23:26
I have lots to say, but I'd be happy to answer most questions. 02:23:30
Umm yeah, I I did met. 02:23:35
Sorry, I did meet with the developer as chairman of the planning committee. 02:23:38
They requested and of course I went over our. 02:23:42
Lane Division ordinance and our zoning code and I met with them. 02:23:45
At the. 02:23:49
With three county members. 02:23:50
Staff members at that meeting. 02:23:53
So. 02:23:56
Just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions. 02:23:57
This plan. 02:24:00
Does meet. 02:24:01
The comprehensive plan for the town of Ash Ben and the town of Ash have been comprehensive plan is a subset. 02:24:02
Of the county's comprehensive plan. 02:24:08
That section of land. 02:24:10
In the comprehensive plan map. 02:24:12
Is zoned. 02:24:13
Not zoned. I mean it's planned for egg AG egg. 02:24:14
In a golf course, is a conditional use with an. 02:24:19
So we have. 02:24:23
Under Dodge County zoning, 2 forms of. 02:24:25
A right, A1 and A2. 02:24:28
And of this, you know, the golf course. 02:24:30
Can be allowed to be built like you say in the 255 acres. 02:24:33
But the 15 acres would make a better end product. 02:24:37
That's why they're here asking for the 15 acres. 02:24:40
But I took the time. 02:24:45
You know, umm. 02:24:46
That's Mr. Freevalt asked. You know, did we ever vote? 02:24:47
You know, on these negative things. 02:24:49
And the answer is yes. 02:24:51
But I went through. 02:24:53
For the last. 02:24:55
3 1/2 years. 02:24:58
You know all of the A1 to A2 conversions. 02:25:00
And I'll just give you a summary. 02:25:03
But in 22 there were 18 of them. 02:25:05
At this table here. 02:25:08
All 18 of them passed. 02:25:10
I can tell you. 02:25:12
Briefly, the only one voting no on many of those was me. 02:25:14
OK. And then my voting record shows that? 02:25:18
Because as I see it. 02:25:22
If if something doesn't work in the town of Ash up and I shouldn't be up here approving something in Trenton or Chester. 02:25:25
Or somewhere else when it's down. 02:25:31
All right, so that's how I determine my vote. So 18 of them, yes, in 22. 02:25:33
None of them negative. 02:25:39
In 23 Again 18. 02:25:42
A1 to A2 conversions came here. 02:25:45
All 18 of them passed total of 133 acres. 02:25:47
Go to 24. 02:25:51
And there were 18. Again, interesting numbers. 02:25:53
17 passed and 1 failed. 02:25:56
Total of 111 acres. 02:25:59
Now I want to remind you the one that failed was. 02:26:01
An existing scrap yard. 02:26:03
That they wanted to convert. 02:26:05
To. 02:26:07
Unallowed use. 02:26:10
And you know, we all agreed that. 02:26:12
That would not be right. 02:26:14
Interesting because. 02:26:16
If you remember in 25. 02:26:18
About 3-4 months ago we did the same thing with another parcel. 02:26:20
In. 02:26:24
Tunnel, Mira. 02:26:26
But what I find interesting. 02:26:29
And in all of this, having attended the Land, Resources and Park Committee. 02:26:32
I watched as. 02:26:37
155 acre parcel. 02:26:39
Motored right through with. 02:26:41
You know they do. The findings of fact. 02:26:44
And they get to it and they say, does it meet this? Does it meet this? Does it meet this? And then you get down to the end and 02:26:47
then it's a yes or no to here. 02:26:50
OK. 02:26:54
155 acres, 35 acre parcel and then we get 15 acres in the town of Asherman. 02:26:55
And. 02:27:01
Because people are in the room, I feel as though they didn't really properly go through the findings of fact. 02:27:02
And that's where I sit with all of this right now. 02:27:08
OK. Did the committee do their job? 02:27:11
That's debatable. 02:27:15
They can defend their position. 02:27:16
OK, but I can tell you. 02:27:18
That the rezoning. 02:27:20
Fits the comprehensive plan. 02:27:23
And. 02:27:25
Yeah, you know, from a town perspective and then I will agree. 02:27:27
The planning committee met. I'm a chairman of the planning committee in the town of Asher and there was a three, three vote. 02:27:31
At that meeting. 02:27:36
So we were split. So no recommendation went from our planning committee to the town board when it got to the town board. 02:27:38
All four members agree with this. 02:27:44
I believe it's going to be a. 02:27:47
Good product. 02:27:48
Not just for the town of Asher, Penn, but for Dodge County, for the whole state. 02:27:49
These guys are. 02:27:54
A top notch. 02:27:57
Facility. 02:27:58
Something to be proud of. Whistling Straits comes to mind. Erin Hills comes to mind. 02:28:00
Kettle Forge will soon come to mind. 02:28:05
If they're allowed to build this thing. 02:28:07
The 15 acres is only necessary to complete the task. 02:28:10
Now I just want to show one more thing here before I end. 02:28:14
I know we all received this map in the mail. 02:28:18
And the 15 acres is this little cross hatch area. 02:28:20
Over here. 02:28:23
Town of Ashland does use. 02:28:25
Soils. 02:28:27
To determine. 02:28:28
Our zoning. 02:28:30
OK so as I always refer to them as clouds or blobs on the map. 02:28:31
So this is a section of a BLOB. 02:28:36
That actually. 02:28:38
Is much larger. 02:28:40
And I would encourage you to look at this map, because what you'll find just three houses. 02:28:41
Smack dab in the middle of that A1 zoning. 02:28:46
That we're trying to protect. 02:28:49
Of of the whole lab if you take the whole contiguous. 02:28:51
Cloud 3 houses. 02:28:55
It's easy to see him. They're right here on the map. 02:28:58
You can see two of them. The third one's a little to the east. 02:29:01
I don't know why we're fighting to keep this. 02:29:05
I personally. 02:29:07
I think it's going to be a good thing for the town, to be a good thing for the county. We're looking for economic development. 02:29:08
We would get employment. 02:29:13
Out of this. 02:29:16
More than one person has come to me. I know the pastor said that you know he'd be interested in in. 02:29:18
Cutting grass. 02:29:23
And others have said the same thing to me. 02:29:25
So. 02:29:28
To provide a segment. 02:29:31
All right. Thank you very much. 02:29:34
We are missing the big picture here. It's been. 02:29:37
Going on. 02:29:42
Going on, but we're talking about land use code, we're talking about farmland preservation. 02:29:43
We're talking about a comprehensive plan. 02:29:48
As you all hopefully saw and received, I pointed out 20 points in those two. 02:29:52
And that did not agree with what we were doing here. 02:29:58
Staff isn't always right. Just a few months ago we voted no as a board. 02:30:04
Not to approve something the staff said should be approved. 02:30:10
It happens, but that's what our responsibility is. 02:30:15
Land use code. 02:30:19
Papers. 02:30:20
Are there's no human element? 02:30:22
That's why we have a Board of Adjustment. 02:30:26
That's why we have the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:30:28
You can't just go and say. 02:30:31
Well, you rezoned A1 to 8 to 18 times the last three years. 02:30:33
Well, what was behind that rezoning you have to have? 02:30:38
Back and forth, the human element. 02:30:42
I go for rezoning A1 to A2 because someone wants to put a house. 02:30:45
Or not even put a house but wants to sell off a section of A1 land where a house and buildings already exist but they need to go 02:30:50
8/2. 02:30:54
Because of density requirements. 02:30:58
That's a duck. 02:31:01
But. 02:31:02
Land use code doesn't know that. 02:31:03
The land use code isn't aware that's what's going on here. 02:31:06
And so it takes the human element, and that's what we did that night. 02:31:10
It was the human element applied to this, you can't just say. 02:31:14
The land use code says this and that's it. 02:31:18
The land use code says. 02:31:21
Follow the comprehensive plan. 02:31:23
Follow the Farmland preservation plan. 02:31:25
And what's really unique about Ashvin in that town, they follow the soil types, and these soil types are blobs. 02:31:28
Some run into the woods. 02:31:35
Well, obviously you're not going to farm the woods. 02:31:37
So that's where you put up a house. 02:31:40
In a one's land. 02:31:43
The Farmland Preservation plan and comprehensive plan allows that. 02:31:44
That's why you need the human element. 02:31:48
Which is missing even. 02:31:51
Nothing against staff, but they're missing it too because. 02:31:52
All they can do is communicate to us what they find in those. 02:31:56
Papers. 02:32:00
Then that is given to us and we bring the human element into it. 02:32:01
Now. 02:32:07
We make the considerations. We listen. 02:32:08
Public hearings. 02:32:12
We uh. 02:32:13
Had one tonight based. Not quite tonight we had public. 02:32:14
Comment tonight, but we had a public hearing. 02:32:18
And in the. 02:32:21
Plan Commission handbook which? 02:32:22
Nobody looks at it. 02:32:24
Public comment. 02:32:26
Is said to identify what citizens value in the community. And that's what sometimes we have to remember. We are talking about 02:32:27
community people here and what they value in the community. They've been living there their whole life. They probably were living 02:32:32
there for generations. 02:32:37
And now? 02:32:42
Here we come and say it doesn't matter. 02:32:44
Because. 02:32:47
You you changed 18 there and you changed 18 here to change it, no. 02:32:48
We considered that and said yes. 02:32:53
That's allowable, that makes sense. It aligns with the plans. 02:32:55
But we have a problem here. This is a 1. 02:32:59
That yes, is in a BLOB, so it's not bordered by other A1 land. 02:33:02
That's the way. 02:33:08
It was created. 02:33:09
We shouldn't be like Esau. I want to. 02:33:11
Give up our. 02:33:15
Birthright for a pot of porridge. I mean, just because this is going to be good for money and this and that. 02:33:16
How much land are we going to continue to do this with? This is good farmland. It's not. 02:33:23
A1 land that has a business on it already. 02:33:28
That has to be converted to a 2 so they can expand the business. 02:33:31
It's not a one land that. 02:33:36
They want to put another house up. 02:33:38
Which the plans allow for, but the density is not right, so they have to convert to A2. 02:33:41
It's different. 02:33:48
This is different. Yes they have the 100 and some odd acres of a tool already, but. 02:33:48
Does that mean we can just kind of sacrifice this A1 land? 02:33:55
Just because. 02:33:59
I don't think that's wise. 02:34:00
The ones who live there. 02:34:02
Are the ones that we have to listen to too. We have heard from a lot of community members. 02:34:06
And we have heard a lot of yeses from. 02:34:12
People that. 02:34:15
Love the getting back to nature. 02:34:17
They want to take these A1 farm fields and put them back in grass and wildflowers and put sand in it and all that stuff. 02:34:19
Why did it get taken out of? 02:34:28
Natural. 02:34:31
And then you have. 02:34:31
Over half of it. 02:34:32
Hasn't been touched for. 02:34:34
Decades. 02:34:35
And they say that's not in its natural state. 02:34:37
It's there already. 02:34:39
But this A1 farmland? 02:34:41
They want to convert into. 02:34:45
Practice range. 02:34:49
This isn't about the golf course tonight. 02:34:51
This is about the main issue of Prata. 02:34:54
The issue of do we protect farmland in this county or not? 02:34:57
We sit here and pass the farm preservation plan. We passed a conference. 02:35:01
Comprehensive plan. We're doing that again now. 02:35:06
Are we going to follow it? 02:35:09
Or do we just do it just to do it because the state law says we have to and then? 02:35:10
Let things just fly. 02:35:15
When are we going to start taking a stand? 02:35:17
I'm not saying nowhere to golf course. 02:35:19
I'm saying no. 02:35:21
To getting rid of this A1 land. 02:35:23
Dash County, if you haven't read my e-mail, you should go in there and read it because those 20 points are strong and they're in 02:35:26
there. And if the staff can't see it, I'm sorry. 02:35:30
It's black and white. I'll tell you just I told you just where to go. 02:35:35
But. 02:35:39
This uh. 02:35:40
Needs to stop. 02:35:41
Yes, A1 can be converted A2. 02:35:42
But in certain conditions, that's the human element. 02:35:45
Ashopen values it. 02:35:50
But they're not being listened to. 02:35:52
I just urge you to. 02:35:55
Take a look again. 02:35:57
It's the best soils. 02:36:00
I was there. 02:36:02
That corn is amazing. 02:36:03
And the hay, if they'd be there, would be amazing. 02:36:05
Our cows can't be eating wildflowers. 02:36:08
It does not work that way. It was taken out of. 02:36:11
Natural condition to put in egg because it's supported. 02:36:15
Life. 02:36:19
It supported people. 02:36:20
But now. 02:36:22
What are we going to do when we start taking that away? 02:36:23
We have to be careful. 02:36:26
Umm. 02:36:28
That's why I voted. 02:36:32
Not to support this particular. 02:36:34
Rezone. 02:36:37
To. 02:36:38
We have to stop this. Yes, it's OK. 02:36:40
When conditions are right. 02:36:43
That's what we're there for. 02:36:44
But when it's. 02:36:46
Farmland. 02:36:47
We have to say, hmm. 02:36:49
Let's think about this. 02:36:51
And I say no, it shouldn't be done. 02:36:54
And I urge you to vote yes on this denial. 02:36:57
Of this petition. The Rezone. 02:37:02
Thank you. 02:37:04
Supervisor Belt. 02:37:06
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:37:09
You know, typically on these county boards where you get these reasons for townships, they're only townships only. 02:37:13
Cities. I'm the mayor of Mayville, mostly. Most of the people here know that. 02:37:18
But cities and villages, we don't have any of this resolve stuff that comes the county, it's only townships. 02:37:22
It's hard for me to. 02:37:27
Go against. 02:37:29
Board you mean? 02:37:31
You guys elected them, not me. 02:37:33
I mean, maybe it doesn't have a fight in this. 02:37:35
But it's hard for me as elected official to go against your town board. 02:37:37
And if you guys don't like your Tom board, get rid of them. 02:37:39
But umm. 02:37:42
For me to stand up here and say, hey, we're not going to. 02:37:43
I'm gonna go against the town board and what they want. 02:37:45
And we've heard a lot of. 02:37:48
Issues here with land preservation, right? 02:37:50
I come from a forming background I know about. 02:37:53
Farming and I know a lot about golf courses too because someone said about golf courses and chemicals will typically I'm not 02:37:56
worried about the chemicals because. 02:37:59
Chemicals are applied five days before it. 02:38:03
Snows typically because that way. 02:38:05
The only runoff into the river system like. 02:38:08
Mabel's got the Rock River. 02:38:11
That's another story. 02:38:13
So it's hard for me to go against the town board, that's what I'm saying. 02:38:15
Surprise of Breslow. 02:38:21
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:38:23
So we've heard tonight here the. 02:38:25
The golf course is coming. 02:38:27
Regardless. 02:38:28
We've heard. 02:38:31
How beneficial this will be to the town of Ashburn. 02:38:33
To have this property developed. 02:38:37
Now. 02:38:40
You're gonna have a golf course. 02:38:41
Do you want to stay to the art facility? 02:38:43
Or do you want to have? 02:38:46
Just a golf course. 02:38:48
You know, by allowing. 02:38:50
Kettle Forge to finish out this project. 02:38:52
You're gonna allow them to have. 02:38:56
An elite course. 02:38:58
The top 100. 02:39:00
In the nation. 02:39:02
I'm fully understand where everybody's coming from as far as preserving the land. 02:39:04
We we do have to do that. 02:39:10
We're talking about 15 acres here that's already owned. 02:39:12
By Kettle Forge. 02:39:16
So if they don't put their practice range there. 02:39:18
What's it going to do is sit in hell? 02:39:21
If it sits fallow. 02:39:24
What's it going to do? 02:39:26
Have weeds? 02:39:27
That are going to transfer onto neighboring properties more than likely. 02:39:29
I just. 02:39:35
I don't see not being able to let them continue to finish the project properly. 02:39:37
Thank you. 02:39:42
Supervisor may now. 02:39:44
Thank you, Mr. Chair. 02:39:46
I'd like to remind my fellow supervisors that very few of our constituents, if any. 02:39:47
Will even be remotely eligible to be members of this exclusive private club. 02:39:52
We represent. 02:39:58
Our citizens, and none of them are really going to benefit. 02:39:59
Whereas this A1 farmland, it seems to me, is the heritage of all of Dodge County citizens. 02:40:03
I think that we should. 02:40:12
Carefully consider how much of our A1 farmland is going to be up. 02:40:13
Or grabs to the highest bidder from the nearest large city. 02:40:17
Thank you. 02:40:20
Supervisor Converger. 02:40:23
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:40:25
Appreciate it. 02:40:27
So in my almost 40 years of living here in Dodge County I've I've seen egg land consumed for a windmills. 02:40:29
Windmills. 02:40:36
Solar panels. 02:40:38
Data centers Warehousing. 02:40:39
Distribution centers. 02:40:41
Very rarely do we see. 02:40:44
These environmental. 02:40:45
Developments. 02:40:49
Having pulled out a section of the farmland preservation document from the county. 02:40:52
I would. 02:40:58
Quickly note that there is a whole section in here for environmental preservation. 02:41:00
Specifically. 02:41:05
To do exactly what we're doing here with the golf course. 02:41:06
You know they are actually intending to take. 02:41:09
You know, acres of land and put it back. 02:41:12
Into pristine. 02:41:15
Preserve type. 02:41:17
Development. 02:41:21
Protecting the streams. Protecting the stream banks. 02:41:22
OK. 02:41:25
So much like has been indicated that, you know, we need to protect farmland, but. 02:41:26
By the same token, we also need to protect. 02:41:31
Environmental. 02:41:34
Areas. 02:41:35
I just wanna. 02:41:38
Say you know the night that this all took place. 02:41:40
You know, it was 155 acres. 02:41:43
Of egg land that's going to be used for off site storage tanks. 02:41:46
Or for storage tanks for off site dairy waste. 02:41:50
So during that same meeting I heard. 02:41:54
The committee say that this 15 acres is best suited. 02:41:58
For farming as opposed to. 02:42:02
A golf course. 02:42:05
But somehow or another 155 acres at the same night, the same meeting. 02:42:06
Was best suited. 02:42:11
For off site storage of dairy waste. 02:42:12
It just doesn't make sense to me. 02:42:17
But I'm going to say it. 02:42:20
You know, we heard 800 acres of of of farmland consumed for a data center. 02:42:21
155 acres for this off site storage base. 02:42:27
You know what? 02:42:31
My record speaks for itself. I'd be happy to put it up against anybody here, OK? 02:42:32
I hear the rhetoric. We need to start defending and start protecting farmland and and stuff like that. But. 02:42:38
The voting record should reflect the same thing. 02:42:44
And it has not in the. 02:42:47
Past it has not. 02:42:49
68. 02:42:51
68. 02:42:52
A1 to A2 conversions. 02:42:54
You know, and you have to think. 02:42:57
For yourselves, how many have you said no to? 02:42:59
I can tell you I've said no. 02:43:03
To almost 20 of them. 02:43:05
In the last 3 1/2 years. 02:43:07
So. 02:43:10
Thank you. 02:43:13
To provide a segment. 02:43:14
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:43:16
All I can say is if you give up all those hundreds of acres for data centers, whoever did that, shame on you. 02:43:19
But that was a one by Persil. 02:43:26
This is a 1 by soil type. 02:43:29
That's different. 02:43:32
155 acres for storage tanks? I can guarantee you there's not going to be 155 acres full of storage tanks. 02:43:34
Just putting up one or two more. 02:43:41
But he's using the whole plot for his business. 02:43:44
And farming it at the same time you can still farm A2 land. 02:43:47
But he's not going to be destroying it all. He's not going to be taking it out of agricultural production. 02:43:51
As we are doing here. 02:43:57
And that's fine if they want to, but. 02:43:58
We have to protect the farmland and this golf course should not be compared to Aaron or. 02:44:01
Or deer track. Or deer run. 02:44:07
That's apples and oranges. 02:44:09
Private versus public. You think that the private club is going to be used by our Dodge County citizens? 02:44:11
Only if you mortgage your house. 02:44:18
And then maybe you can be there a year or two. 02:44:20
This is different. 02:44:23
And we're just letting it go. 02:44:25
And as I said before. 02:44:29
Every situation is different. You can't just say. 02:44:31
You rezoned. 02:44:35
A1 to A2. 02:44:38
This many times. 02:44:40
Why? 02:44:42
Why the human element? And the human element here says? 02:44:43
No this time. 02:44:47
This isn't right. 02:44:48
Sure, it's 15 acres. 02:44:50
And it's only 15 acres. 02:44:52
That's a lot of land. 02:44:55
And it should not be taken out of a thank you. 02:44:58
One last shot here. Supervisor, President. 02:45:02
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:45:05
Twice now I've heard. 02:45:07
Class and we try to be involved here. 02:45:09
Because of this being a. 02:45:12
Private. 02:45:14
Golf course is going to be built. 02:45:15
You know, we need to remember that the property that. 02:45:18
This is being built on. 02:45:21
Is still taxable. 02:45:23
And. 02:45:25
The town. 02:45:26
Of Ashton and. 02:45:28
County of Dodge. 02:45:30
Stand to gain a pretty fair amount of tax dollars. 02:45:32
From this development. 02:45:35
Thank you. 02:45:37
Supervisor has not spoken so I'm going to let him speak. 02:45:41
Thank you. 02:45:46
I'm on the committee. 02:45:48
The staff. 02:45:50
Recommended that we could resign it. 02:45:53
Conclusions of law. 02:45:56
Said that we can rezone it. 02:45:58
My colleague, Mr. Sigmund. 02:46:02
Talking about the human element. 02:46:05
Well, he talked about the staff making a mistake. That's a human element, right? 02:46:07
They made a mistake. 02:46:13
I don't think I made a mistake by voting to approve this. 02:46:15
Thank you. 02:46:20
OK, we're getting ready to vote. 02:46:23
If you vote yes. 02:46:26
You're agreeing to. 02:46:27
Deny. 02:46:30
If you do not. 02:46:32
Agreed to deny you. 02:46:33
You vote no. 02:46:35
Everyone understand? Any questions? 02:46:37
OK, please vote. 02:46:41
Supervisor Conway. 02:46:51
No. 02:46:57
All having voted, it fails 12 to 14. 02:47:00
Since we. 02:47:05
Have that. 02:47:08
We need to do a follow up. 02:47:09
I will ask. 02:47:12
Or council. 02:47:13
I'm going to read to the board what the county code says with regard to. 02:47:17
What just happened? So the county board. 02:47:21
May refuse to deny the petition. 02:47:24
As submitted by the committee. 02:47:27
In which case it shall refer the petition. 02:47:30
And. 02:47:33
The resolution. 02:47:34
To deny the amendment back to the committee. 02:47:35
Back to the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:47:38
With directions to draft. 02:47:40
An ordinance to effectuate the approval of the petition. 02:47:42
And to report the ordinance back to the county Board of Supervisors. 02:47:46
Which means then enact or reject the ordinance based on the criteria. 02:47:50
So what would be in order at this time is a motion to approve. 02:47:54
The rezone petition. 02:47:57
With those instructions to direct it back to. 02:48:00
The Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:48:03
To draft an ordinance. 02:48:05
And bring that ordinance back to the county board. 02:48:08
And if somebody does make that motion, I'd be happy to assist with the language that would be required in that motion. 02:48:11
Do we have a motion? 02:48:23
I have a motion by Supervisor Belk. 02:48:27
So this. 02:48:50
If I may. 02:48:51
Supervisor Belk. 02:48:52
State the motion. 02:48:54
A motion to approve the rezone petition. 02:48:55
As presented. 02:48:59
And refer that matter back to the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:49:01
With specific direction to the committee. 02:49:06
To draft an ordinance. 02:49:08
To effectuate the approval of the petition. 02:49:10
And report that ordinance back to the county board. 02:49:13
And then the county board would take action on it at that time. 02:49:16
So this requires a. 02:49:19
I'll stop there. That is the language for the motion. 02:49:22
Essentially. 02:49:25
When you rezone, you are amending your ordinance. 02:49:26
You're amending your maps. 02:49:29
So that's what that ordinance does, is an amendment to the map. 02:49:31
And that's why the code says what it says. 02:49:35
So you need to take up a motion to approve with those specific directions as per the county code. 02:49:38
Is that a fair representation of your motion, Supervisor Belk? Yes, that's my motion as a corporate council this past as stated. 02:49:44
Second by Supervisor Burnett. 02:49:52
Right. 02:49:54
Supervisor Guggenberger. 02:49:58
Just clarification from Kim. Does it or does it not need to state the four elements for approval? 02:50:00
Or did you state it? 02:50:06
Yes, that ordinance would have to state that and that is part of the county code. 02:50:07
I'm sorry if I did not say state that based on the criteria in section. 02:50:11
2.3 point 4 point I. 02:50:15
Thank you. That is what the ordinance will need to. 02:50:17
Represent. 02:50:21
As it's drafted by the committee and I'm sure. 02:50:23
It will be with the assistance of staff and Corporation Council. 02:50:25
Supervisor Houchin. 02:50:31
So, umm. 02:50:32
I'm a little confused. 02:50:34
So we are not changing the vote at all by sending it back. We're just changing our records to show the vote. 02:50:36
Am I correct? 02:50:43
This is a separate. This is a separate motion. 02:50:44
So the county board did not approve the denial. 02:50:47
Right, correct. So now it's before the board. 02:50:50
With on a clean slate and you have a motion to approve the rezone petition. 02:50:53
And that motion to approve. 02:50:58
Includes a specific directive. 02:50:59
Of this board. 02:51:02
If you vote in favor of that motion. 02:51:03
To direct the drafting of an ordinance approving the rezone. 02:51:05
And bring that ordinance back to the board. 02:51:10
So you now need to take a separate vote on that motion. 02:51:14
You have a motion in a second. 02:51:16
We certainly can have discussion about that. 02:51:19
We have a motion on the floor. 02:51:28
To affirm. 02:51:34
Back to vote to affirm. 02:51:36
The rezone. 02:51:38
The committee. 02:51:41
To draft the ordinance. 02:51:42
Everybody understand that's where we're at. 02:51:44
If you vote yes. 02:51:48
You are agreeing. 02:51:49
To affirm the rezoning. 02:51:51
And sending it back. If you vote no, you are voting against the golf course. 02:51:55
And for clarity, it's the 15.1 acres. 02:52:00
15.1 acres of yes. 02:52:03
And what? What if that fails? 02:52:07
Else. 02:52:10
What does that mean? 02:52:12
We're not going to, we're not going to speculate about the outcome of the vote. You need to discuss and debate is the motion 02:52:14
before you. 02:52:17
And. 02:52:21
And then take the vote. 02:52:23
Mr. Chair, you please appreciate that what you did. 02:52:25
The motion is to approve the rezoning. 02:52:29
And send it back to committee. 02:52:34
To have an ordinance drafted. So if you agree with that, you vote yes. 02:52:36
If you. 02:52:41
Disagree and vote. 02:52:42
Want to vote against the rezoning? You vote no. 02:52:44
OK. Thank you. 02:52:47
Anyone else? 02:52:50
I'll repeat one more time if you're if you. 02:52:53
Vote yes, you're voting to. 02:52:56
Rezone the 15 acres and send it to committee. 02:52:58
For an ordinance, if you don't agree with that, please vote no. 02:53:02
Supervisor Conway. 02:53:17
Yes. 02:53:19
All having ordered, it passes 14 to 12. 02:53:21
Yeah. 02:53:29
Report one. 02:53:29
Ordinance 1173 An ordinance amending. 02:53:33
1000 officials zoning map. 02:53:39
Be the Dodge County land resource. 02:53:46
Parks nearby report favorably on the petition of spelling or requesting an amendment of the planned use code. 02:53:49
Jewelry itself. 02:53:56
832 acres from the length of a prime acre culture going to a. 02:53:57
I'm respectfully submitted this 19th day of August 2025, signed by five members of the Lady. 02:54:06
I have a motion by Supervisor Guggenberger, second by Supervisor Bell. 02:54:16
Any questions or comments on this one? 02:54:21
Any questions? 02:54:25
You agree with the recommended recommendation of the committee? Please both. 02:54:28
Wanted to know what they were going to use the land for. 02:54:33
Anyone. Two homes? I believe it is. 02:54:40
So usually you're changing. 02:54:43
Two non farm residential lots. 02:54:50
Any other questions? 02:54:57
If you agree with the recommendation. 02:55:01
Please vote yes if. 02:55:03
No. Please vote no. 02:55:05
Supervisor Conway. 02:55:11
Yes. 02:55:14
All having voted, it passes 2040. 02:55:17
Report 2. 02:55:22
117. 02:55:24
An ordinance amending. 02:55:26
2000 officials running back for the town of Trenton adopted but the land use code. 02:55:28
We, the Dodge County Land, Resources and Parks Committee, hereby report favorably on the petition of Lucas. 02:55:36
A SPA agent for Charles Unders. 02:55:43
Requesting amendment of land use code. 02:55:46
To rezone approximately 155.552 acres of land from a one prime agriculture's to a two general agriculture zoning. 02:55:51
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th date of August 25, signed by four members of the Land Reap. 02:56:02
I have a motion by Supervisor Burnett, second by Supervisor Bischoff. 02:56:11
Any questions, comments on this? 02:56:16
Any question? 02:56:20
Being none. If you agree with the committee, please vote yes. If you do not, please vote no. 02:56:25
Supervisor Conway. 02:56:37
Yes. 02:56:40
All having voted, it passes 23 to 3. 02:56:42
Report 3. 02:56:47
Ordinance 1175. Ordinance Amendment 2000. The payroll. 02:56:48
Floodplain zoning. 02:56:54
County, Wisconsin Mildew milk. 02:56:57
We have a Dodge County land resources and for somebody here by. 02:57:02
Land Resources and Committee to amend the text of. 02:57:08
The Dodge County flood zoning ordinance. 02:57:12
All of which is respectfully submitted the 19th of August 25. 02:57:15
Signed by five members of the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:57:20
Have a motion by Supervisor Bischoff, a second by Supervisor Gutenberg. 02:57:24
Questions. Comments on this? 02:57:29
President this week. 02:57:32
And if you agree with the committee's? 02:57:36
Recommendation. 02:57:39
Work. Please vote yes. If you do not, please vote no. 02:57:40
We got that. 02:57:48
Supervisor Conway. 02:57:51
Yes. 02:57:53
All having voted, it passes 26 to 0. 02:57:56
Claim one. 02:58:02
On the recommendation of the Dodge County Corporation Council, consultation with Wisconsin Municipal Insurance Company. 02:58:04
Be the Dodge County Executive Committee recommend that the Dodge County Board of Supervisors disallow the claim. 02:58:13
Made by Jessica's Babuski, dated April 22nd, 2025. 02:58:19
All of which is respect. 02:58:26
Please put those 19th day of August 2025 signed by. 02:58:28
Six members of the executive. 02:58:36
Have a motion by Ali, second by supervisor. 02:58:40
Questions. 02:58:45
If you agree if you agree with the recommendation of the. 02:58:47
Executive Committee. 02:58:51
Oh yes. 02:58:53
Supervisor Conway. 02:59:07
Yes. 02:59:09
All having voted, it passes 25 to 1. 02:59:12
On your desks. 02:59:19
Have the copy of the 20. 02:59:20
The 25/20/20. 02:59:24
6 Wisconsin money officials directly. 02:59:27
And the ADR seems. 02:59:30
Supervisor Johnson and make a motion to adjourn to the next meeting on Tuesday, September 16th. 02:59:35
At 6:00 PM. 02:59:40
Second by Supervisor Beale. All signified by Aye Aye. 02:59:43
Opposed 0. 02:59:50
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I will call the meeting to order please. 00:00:02
Continue with the pledge. 00:00:05
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:07
Of the United States of America. 00:00:09
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:11
One nation under God. 00:00:14
Indivisible with the Regina Justice Girl. 00:00:16
Need to remind the supervisors to please press your attend button. 00:00:27
How many we got here? 00:01:03
Yep. 00:01:10
Randy, did we? 00:01:16
Should be, should be 26. 00:01:20
Yeah, but Hedrick has to mark herself present. 00:01:23
Jennifer. 00:01:28
Yep, that would be it, so you can tally. 00:01:38
OK. 00:01:41
Roll call has been taken. 00:01:42
What's your pleasure of the minutes from? 00:01:45
July 15th county board meeting. 00:01:48
And then the roll call supervisor bubbles. 00:01:50
Der Justin Cavazon Jin Clock Oh. 00:01:53
Miller and Verbos are excused. 00:01:56
Have a motion by Supervisor Bischoff and a second by Supervisor Belk. 00:02:06
Any questions? 00:02:10
Our corrections to the minutes. 00:02:12
Hearing none. 00:02:16
Seeing none all in favor signify by. 00:02:17
Aye, opposed. 00:02:21
That is Kerry. Thank you. 00:02:23
Communications on file. 00:02:25
I have no communications on file. 00:02:27
All right, all right. Now we'll have public comment and we will call you an order that they were signed in and we would ask the 00:02:30
person who's next, we will say who is next. 00:02:35
And be up here and ready to go because we have a full agenda. 00:02:40
Public comment and we are limited to 30 minutes. 00:02:44
OK. 00:02:48
So first we have a Brett. 00:02:49
Craig. Craig. 00:02:54
And to come up right after, please, Tom Pete's. 00:02:56
All right. Well, thank you, Chair, and thank you Dodge County Board members. 00:03:11
I'm Brett Craig. I am one of the owners and. 00:03:15
A developer with Kettleforge Golf. 00:03:18
I presume by now you've received our package of information by US mail or? 00:03:21
E-mail, so I presume we. 00:03:25
Had a chance to read that and clearly understand the contents. Just a. 00:03:27
Quickly review the project and move it into the rezone. 00:03:31
Petition that's at hand early tonight. 00:03:36
Number one. 00:03:38
As you're probably fully aware, the Dodge County allows. 00:03:40
District to permit conditional uses aligning with the rural character. 00:03:45
And preservation to the open space, including private recreational facilities and golf courses. 00:03:49
So it is in line with the zoning and land use. 00:03:54
For Dodge County. 00:03:58
#2. 00:03:59
This will be. 00:04:01
The DNR. Wisconsin State Statutes for Wisconsin Stewardship. 00:04:03
Environmental Stewardship. 00:04:08
We are actually working with the DNR as we speak. We're actually going to commit to actually returning some wetlands back to the 00:04:10
property that's being currently farm. 00:04:13
#3 will have significant economic impact. 00:04:18
On the Township as well as. 00:04:22
The county of the state. 00:04:24
Through taxation. 00:04:25
As well as revenue #4 the rezone for May 1, Day 2. 00:04:27
Which is 15.1 acres which is at hand tonight is currently going to be used for. 00:04:33
In support of the comprehensive plan for a practice range. 00:04:38
The practice ranges in not in alignment with precedence of any other golf courses being. 00:04:42
Established for building the state of Wisconsin. 00:04:46
They're roughly 500 golf courses in this state. 00:04:48
About 400. 00:04:51
Public. About 100 private. 00:04:52
And although most of those actually have practice. 00:04:54
There are rules. To date, the Township board has approved. 00:04:59
The comprehensive plan. 00:05:03
And the Dodge County Land and Resource Group has recommended the planning forward as such, approving the. 00:05:05
The reason of a 1 to 18 to 50.1 acres. 00:05:13
Also. 00:05:16
As I indicated, this is the precedence that's put in the state and look the case law. 00:05:19
And there's a lot of presidents in the state of Wisconsin. 2 minutes is done. 2 minutes. Thank you. 00:05:24
So next we have Tom Petes and. 00:05:31
If. 00:05:35
Timothy. 00:05:36
And Ringa. 00:05:37
Could come up and be ready after. 00:05:38
Pastor beats. 00:05:41
Pastor Tom Pete State Old Lutheran Church off of W 653 Roosevelt Rd. 00:05:43
I serve as pastor there for 9 years. 00:05:49
We are. 00:05:52
Right off a highway. Oh between 2 golf courses, deer track as well as Aaron Hills. 00:05:53
Several of our families own farms and are putting them into Tall Pines Conservancy and so preserving the land. 00:05:59
And when I discovered that 100 acres would be conserved and put into wetlands as well as Prairie and wildflowers. 00:06:07
I was thrilled we are doing that as well as a church that has 10 acres of farmland as well. 00:06:14
We have people in our congregation who have affirmed this decision, perhaps to to build. 00:06:20
We see employment opportunities as I have worked at Deer Track golf course as. 00:06:26
A Ranger. 00:06:31
And so there's opportunities with this. 00:06:32
Obviously it's a very unique situation. 00:06:34
But it's in land that is fertile and vital. 00:06:37
And could serve the community well. 00:06:41
Hey, thank you. 00:06:45
Next we have Tim and followed by. 00:06:46
Athena Big Mountain should be up on deck next. 00:06:49
Good evening again. My name is Timothy J and Bringa I'm A. 00:06:54
Attorney with the law firm of Criminal Malta LLP in Waukesha, Address 1601 Easter Scene Ave. in Waukesha. 00:06:58
I'm here on behalf of Kettle Forge Golf LLC. 00:07:06
Hopefully Ball had a chance to review my correspondence to all the supervisors. 00:07:09
I'm here on the Epic Kettle Forge because they're seeking petition to rezone 15.1 acres. 00:07:14
From A1 to A2 zoning. 00:07:19
For use as part of their golf course facility. 00:07:22
Kettle Forge owns 270.1 acres they bought it from. 00:07:25
Fullerton LLC. 00:07:29
Of the 270 acres in the town of Ashland, 255 of that acreage is already zoned AG. 00:07:31
They're not. None of this request relates to that, simply to the 15.1 acres. 00:07:38
The 15.1 acres is, according to my correspondence, is kind of a. 00:07:44
An island. Now it is separated and always was kind of an island. It is not attached to any other. 00:07:48
A1 zone property is separated by. 00:07:54
The roadway and it's also separated by the other property that's owned A2. 00:07:57
The petition is to rezone. It was unanimously supported by the Town Board for the Town of Action Pin. 00:08:02
It was supported by the Dodge County Resource Parks Department as a recommendation was favorable. 00:08:08
To the committee. 00:08:15
The zoning the rezone is consistent with the Town of Asheville's Comprehensive Plan. 00:08:17
Kettle for just stated in my letter. 00:08:22
Submits that the committee did not vote against. 00:08:24
The result? It was not an unfavorable recommendation, no. 00:08:28
Vault was made with respect to that. 00:08:33
Instead, in my opinion, technically there was no recommendation made. 00:08:35
They declined to recommend approval of it. 00:08:39
But they did not vote against it. 00:08:42
Can't afford? Respectfully asks. 00:08:45
That the county board moved to approve the rezone request this evening of the 15.1 acres. 00:08:47
From A1 to A2. 00:08:53
And adopt an ordinance that's consistent with that and pursuant to Wisconsin Statute 91.48. 00:08:56
Stop. Adopt the other 4. 00:09:02
Thank you. Thanks. 00:09:05
Athena. 00:09:07
And followed by. 00:09:09
Who's next? 00:09:11
Next we would have Robert. 00:09:13
Gunther. 00:09:16
Good evening, my name is Athena Big Mountain and I've been a resident of Asha Pin for the last 14 years. 00:09:19
I live in Ashapen. I have served 2 terms on the town. 00:09:26
I am one of five members. 00:09:30
A couple years ago, I formed a nonprofit organization called Ashopen the Beautiful. 00:09:33
Beautiful was created out of a love for our town with the primary focus of giving a much needed facelift. 00:09:38
To one of the town's biggest treasures, the states tallest lively Christmas tree. 00:09:44
Located on the grounds of the Fire Department. 00:09:49
We are always looking for ways to support projects around Ashland to help make it beautiful. 00:09:52
We have big goals in mind for Asapin, much like the golf course. 00:09:56
As a town supervisor, I am expected to evaluate projects. 00:10:00
And Roger, my opinion to the best interests of all the residents and that is why I am here today. 00:10:04
When I became aware of the plans for kettle forks the golf course, I was instantly in favor of this development. 00:10:10
As proposed, Kettle Ridge will bring national recognition to the town of Ashland, much like Aaron Hills did. 00:10:15
To the town of Aaron. 00:10:21
This is the type of development that I can be proud of and all residents of Asheville can be proud of as well. 00:10:23
To date, none of the residents I personally spoke to in my neighborhood are against the project. Quite frankly, my neighborhood 00:10:28
wouldn't be there if it wasn't for thoughtful rezoning in the past. 00:10:33
My entire neighborhood where I live used to be farm fields. 00:10:39
Do I want jumbo data centers? No. Do I want solar panels? No. Do I want to distribution center? 00:10:42
A wind farm, No. 00:10:48
This golf course is going to be beautiful. It's going to be a great addition to Asha Penn. 00:10:50
As proposed, the golf course will enhance the town and bring other welcome additions like employment tax base. 00:10:55
And preservation of the flora and fauna as stated earlier. 00:11:00
Who benefits this? All of us. 00:11:04
The citizens, the town, the county, and the state. 00:11:06
I have personally spoken with Brett about this development to get a better understanding of the need. 00:11:08
To complete the zoning change. 00:11:13
It is clear that to accomplish the vision of the course. 00:11:14
It would be best to change. 00:11:17
The 15 acres from A1 to A2. 00:11:19
Thank you. 00:11:22
Bob and who's next? Next we have. 00:11:25
****. 00:11:28
Hello, my name is Bob Gunther. I'm a dairy, beef and grain farmer in town of Ashton, also member of the Asheville Planning 00:11:33
Commission. And I did vote against this proposal. 00:11:37
As you may, may or may not be aware, the town of Ashman is different from all the other townships in that. 00:11:42
We do A1 zoning by land type, So what we're A1 is the best land in the town and that's what we're trying to preserve. 00:11:47
My fear is that if we approve this change tonight, we set a precedent that. 00:11:54
Anyone coming in can get their A1 land. 00:11:58
Change Day 2. 00:12:01
Now, Brett has told us many times that this golf course can go forward without the zoning change. 00:12:02
And I think it's in the best interest of the town and the farmers in the town. 00:12:07
We talked a lot about farmland preservation. 00:12:12
But we don't do a lot of acting on it. 00:12:14
Tonight we have the opportunity to act on farmland preservation. 00:12:16
What we're asking is that we preserve the best land. 00:12:20
This golf course can still go forward. 00:12:23
This 15 acres, you say? Well, it's only 15 acres. 00:12:25
But it sets a huge precedent for acreage to come in the future. 00:12:28
It's death to the farmers. It's death by 1000 cuts. 00:12:32
It's 15 acres here, it's 20 there. 00:12:35
And pretty soon we're so encroached on. 00:12:38
That our livelihood can no longer exist. 00:12:40
So I'm asking you as a board tonight. 00:12:42
To stand by that. 00:12:44
The farmers from Dodge County. 00:12:46
Keep this zoning as a one, as it should be. 00:12:48
Allow the golf course. It may go forward. 00:12:51
Brett has said many times to us that it. 00:12:53
Can go forward as it is. 00:12:55
But I think it's imperative that we. 00:12:57
Do not change this land from A1. 00:12:59
To a two that we keep the best soils. 00:13:01
For production agriculture to feed the world. 00:13:04
For now and into the future. 00:13:07
And my speaking tonight is not just for me. I have three sons that farm with me. 00:13:09
I'm also talking. 00:13:14
Future. 00:13:15
Of the agriculture community, I'm asking you again. 00:13:16
Please deny this request for a zoning change from. 00:13:19
A1 to a 2. Thank you. 00:13:23
Thank you, Bob. 00:13:25
And. 00:13:27
Kyle Swig should come up next. 00:13:32
My name is **** Bertrand, I live in Washington Rd. right on the South side of this proposed golf course. 00:13:39
They will be good neighbors. 00:13:45
Our backyard, which is 80, about 800 feet. 00:13:48
But the South end of this 270 acres. 00:13:51
I'm all in four of this year stewardship because the design integrates. 00:13:56
Wetland restoration, erosion control, water quality and making the land healthier and more resilient. 00:14:01
The preservation of open space. 00:14:07
Instead of dense construction, the land will remain largely green, open, visually appealing. 00:14:10
For decades to come. 00:14:15
Just like Aaron Hills. 00:14:16
And all the rest of the golf courses in Waukesha County. Economic benefits without overcrowding. 00:14:18
The club The club will create jobs and bring new spending. 00:14:24
Into the local business without straining schools, roads or municipal services. 00:14:28
The wildlife, the wildlife habitat creation as they're now. 00:14:33
Their project will attract. 00:14:36
Wildlife and support to birds, pollinators and other native species. 00:14:39
Throughout and thoughtful landscaping. 00:14:43
The long term stability. 00:14:46
Private golf course tend to be stable, good neighbors, long term land uses, avoiding the turnover and unpredictability of other 00:14:48
developments. 00:14:52
And the pride of the community for the town of Ashopen. 00:14:57
Brain Home top tier environmentally sensitive golf course. 00:15:00
As a point. 00:15:04
Pride can help put the community. 00:15:06
On the map for positive reasons. 00:15:08
Commitment to maintenance. 00:15:11
The land will maintain. 00:15:12
Be maintained year round. 00:15:14
At a level far higher than vacant and unutilized farmland. 00:15:16
Compatible with rural character, the project, aesthetically designed, complements the court. 00:15:20
Countryside and preserve scenic views. 00:15:26
Positive nature. 00:15:29
Native relations. 00:15:30
That's me. 00:15:32
And our family and our neighbors and I don't golf. 00:15:33
Early engagement and willingness to address the concern. 00:15:37
Shown to the owners and neighbors commitment. 00:15:40
As being part of the community, not just in it. 00:15:43
That's it. Thank you. Thank you. 00:15:47
Kyle. 00:15:49
Yep, Kyle and then Eva Owen should be up next. 00:15:51
Good evening, my name is Kyle Zweig and I'm a dairy farmer 1.5 miles southwest of. 00:15:58
Post golf course. 00:16:02
I want to thank supervisors for maintaining the economic engine of agriculture within the county, and I'd like to also acknowledge 00:16:04
the potential fatigue of fighting these battles among the supervisors. Supervisors I want to specifically talk about. 00:16:10
Some zoning code in reference to this project tonight. 00:16:16
3 point 7.3 of the county zoning code states that rezoning land out of a one prime agriculture zoning districts. 00:16:19
May occur. 00:16:26
If the change is done in accordance with a variety of following statements. 00:16:28
One of those following statements 2.3 point 4.1 then lists a variety of reasons to reject a zoning change. 00:16:32
One of those reasons includes when the. 00:16:39
Zoning change is not consistent. 00:16:42
With the county comprehensive plan. 00:16:44
And as stated tonight, the golf course is planned for this. 00:16:46
15 acres is certainly not. 00:16:49
In agreement with that comprehensive and farmland preservation plan. 00:16:51
2.3.4.1.8. 00:16:55
Is another one of those following statements. 00:16:59
The rezoning will not substantially impair or limit current. 00:17:01
Or future agricultural use of surrounding parcels of land. 00:17:04
That are zoned for or legally restricted to agriculture use. 00:17:08
Having a 400K dairy. 00:17:12
Sharing 1/2 mile border with the proposed golf course on its West. 00:17:14
Downwind. 00:17:18
Will certainly lead for the county and town in the future to have complaints. 00:17:19
And a plethora of issues with. 00:17:23
Golf course members. 00:17:25
Finally. 00:17:27
I'd like to say that because of these many reasons set forth in county zoning code, a vote to rezone the current A1 acres as 00:17:28
described. 00:17:32
And any future ability allowed. 00:17:36
By the county. 00:17:38
For this extension. 00:17:39
Will most certainly become a violation of many county zoning regulations. 00:17:41
I do not wish to see Dodge County stumble into a scenario where it accidentally becomes. 00:17:46
Opposed to its own rules and laws. 00:17:51
It is my belief, the leadership of the town of Ashburn. 00:17:53
Has already done so, but because of the very high percentage of residents. 00:17:55
Thank you. Thanks, Kyle. 00:18:00
Eva. 00:18:01
Let's let's, let's just hold the applause, please. Thank you. Next up would be Danette Reid. Please get ready. 00:18:04
No, you're first Eva Owens and then Donette read. 00:18:10
OK, I'm Eva Owen. I live on W 1651 Town Rd. MMM. 00:18:15
On my family farms spend their society 52. 00:18:21
And I unfortunately don't have a wonderful thing prepared for you to say because I just found out about all this recently. 00:18:24
And my biggest concern? 00:18:31
Is for our neighbors who are farmers. 00:18:33
That we support them. There's a very large farmers in the area and Dodge County to me has just been farming when I found out this. 00:18:35
Incredibly elaborate Multi $1,000,000. 00:18:42
Pride. I couldn't even believe it. I which I read the whole thing today was like, unfortunately I wasn't prepared for this. 00:18:45
Other than to. 00:18:51
Make everybody think about how it's going to long term affect. 00:18:53
Our farmers. 00:18:56
And I'm also an organic farmer. I have my greenhouse, everything, and I'm very much. 00:18:57
Not crazy about a lot of chemicals sprayed which golf courses are known to spray a lot of chemicals for their perfect grass Their. 00:19:03
No bugs and the whole thing. 00:19:10
And so my comment tonight is I'd like to support the people who are giving you the reasons why this isn't a good idea. 00:19:12
And I just want us to protect our neighbors and our farmers. 00:19:19
Thank you. 00:19:22
And then? 00:19:26
I don't have a last name so. 00:19:29
Kneel or near. 00:19:31
County Road EE. 00:19:35
OK, OK. My name is Danette Reed. I live right on Creek Rd. W 1748. I'm going to live right across from the golf course and I am 00:19:39
not for it. 00:19:43
The zoning issue is right across from my house. That is beautiful land. 00:19:48
I don't know why they want to wreck it like that. 00:19:52
Asher Pin is being bombarded. 00:19:54
With all this development stuff. 00:19:56
They got condos going up in Ash, Japan. Now they got this golf course and it's all for the rich people, US farmers and those 00:19:59
homesteaders. 00:20:02
The whole Creek Rd. 00:20:06
Has been there since the early 1800's. The same families have been there in Creek Rd. 00:20:08
You're going to push them all out. 00:20:13
And you're gonna make the home prices go through the roof. You're gonna make our taxes go through the roof just because we want to 00:20:15
be. 00:20:18
Delafield and Macon. 00:20:21
Playground. I am totally against it. I'm totally against the condos and Astrophin and all the old people in Ashton that I have 00:20:23
talked to are against it too. 00:20:27
They don't want nothing to do with it. 00:20:32
They don't want to be the playground for a condom. 00:20:33
And far as saving this land for wetlands and making it flowers and all this, it's beautiful right now. 00:20:36
You guys have no idea how much wildlife is in there right now and you're gonna chase it all out. 00:20:42
Yeah, they'll find a different home, but it ain't like it's going to be all different. 00:20:48
That's it. 00:20:52
Thank you. 00:20:53
Neil, Neil, what is your last name? 00:20:58
I'm up next if I can have Jeff. 00:21:05
Later. 00:21:10
I just want to say that I'm against it and I want to know how easy it is that we can just what's the point of even zoning the 00:21:13
land? 00:21:17
If we can change it so to what people want. 00:21:21
If they can just come in, throw money around and change land or whatever, there's no point of eating zoning land. 00:21:24
Thank you. 00:21:31
And then James Hiller should be up next. 00:21:36
So we have Jeff. 00:21:39
Jeff Lehner. 00:21:44
Yep, and then James Hiller. 00:21:46
Let's go with James. 00:21:49
James Hiller. 00:21:57
No, Jesse. 00:21:59
Damon. 00:22:03
Damn it, damn it. 00:22:05
Good evening. My name is Jesse Damrell. 00:22:17
I'm a lifelong citizen of 46 years to the town of Asherton. 00:22:19
I've served on many boards. 00:22:24
With our fire department. 00:22:26
And my Community Church. 00:22:27
I am dead against this golf course. 00:22:31
It's almost like quick trips and McDonald's around every corner. 00:22:33
If you talk about preserving land. 00:22:36
Leave it. 00:22:38
That's where it belongs. We need more farmland. We don't need more wasteland. 00:22:39
Chemicals. Yep. 00:22:43
Wrecker wetlands to begin with. Like Danette said, there's a really nice wetlands there. We don't need more. 00:22:44
Golf course is a wasted space if you want to golf. 00:22:50
You got Aaron. 00:22:53
You got, you got a. 00:22:54
Deer track, you got all kinds of Oconomowoc We don't need any more golf courses. 00:22:56
And you open up to everything else. 00:23:01
We don't need. 00:23:03
To take A1 land to put it to E2. 00:23:04
Good day. Thank you. 00:23:08
Betty Muzin. 00:23:12
And then Dale Redland. 00:23:18
Can be on decorating. 00:23:21
I hate to divert your attention away from the golf course. This is a different issue. 00:23:33
Maybe you need a break from it. 00:23:37
My name is Betty Bashinski. 00:23:40
I represent some of the land owners on County Highway CC in Dodge County and on the side roads that intersect Hwy. CC such as 00:23:43
Highway FW and Liberty Rd. 00:23:48
I am here to present their concerns. 00:23:53
Ma'am, which item on the agenda are you speaking about? 00:23:55
There wasn't an item. I thought I'm just public speaker. 00:24:00
Policy states that it needs to be related to an item on the agenda. OK, I wasn't told that when I signed up. It was on the rules 00:24:03
that were out there so. 00:24:07
OK, I didn't see that. Nobody pointed it out. 00:24:11
Well, I guess we'll have to come back to another meeting. Now. My dad was on this Dodge County board. He served for 10 years. 00:24:13
OK, so that's disappointing. This was a waste of time, but. 00:24:18
That's what the county does. They waste people's time and taxpayers. 00:24:21
Dollar, ma'am. 00:24:25
You're not prick. 00:24:27
You can't. You're out of order. 00:24:28
OK, fine. 00:24:30
Hey, Dale. 00:24:32
Hello, I'm Dale Redland. I live directly across from a proposed golf course. I'm the 400 caliber with my mom that operate there. 00:24:41
I can't see how. 00:24:51
Golf course is going to be compatible with our operation. 00:24:52
We cannot get closer to this project. We are right there. 00:24:56
And I also like the. 00:25:01
Reiterate what has been said about changing from A1 to E2 very easily because why zone anything if you can change it that easily 00:25:03
because. 00:25:07
All that has to be done is a meeting, and it's changed. 00:25:13
I would. 00:25:16
Encourage everybody to stand on. 00:25:17
Not rezoning it. 00:25:19
Also. 00:25:21
There's been a lot of concern about water usage, I've been told. 00:25:22
A massive amount of water to get the golf course going and a lot of people are concerned about water levels in the area. 00:25:26
And also. 00:25:33
I have understood that there is a lot of chemicals used in. 00:25:34
Developing this golf course far more than a current agricultural use. 00:25:38
So I would like all this to be considered in your. 00:25:42
Decision to resign. 00:25:46
Thank you. OK. Thank you, Dale. 00:25:47
James Hiller or Jeff? 00:25:54
Later, did you want to speak? 00:25:57
OK. We will close the public comment period. Thank you. 00:26:02
Next we have. 00:26:08
Special order of business. 00:26:10
Appoint Denise Leppel to replace Chris Planish on the Dodge County Land Information Council. 00:26:12
And appoint Kim Davis to replace Brad Tisdale on the Dodge County Land Information Council. 00:26:18
Do I have a motion to approve? I have a motion by Supervisor Gutenberger to approve. 00:26:25
In a second by. 00:26:29
Supervisor Kraus. 00:26:33
OK, all in favor. 00:26:41
Say aye. 00:26:44
Aye, aye. 00:26:46
Opposed. That is scary. 00:26:47
All right. 00:26:49
Next we have appointment by the County Administrator appoint Nicole Winker to serve on the Commission on Aging and Disability 00:26:53
Services for a three-year term. 00:26:57
To expire July 1st, 2028. 00:27:01
Have a motion. 00:27:06
My supervisor, Guggenberger. 00:27:07
Second by Supervisor Hedrick. 00:27:10
All in favor. 00:27:13
Signify by aye. 00:27:14
Aye, opposed. 00:27:16
That is carried. 00:27:18
And we'll call in. 00:27:22
County Administrator Clapper to introduce the. 00:27:23
Next presentation. 00:27:26
He is part of a team that conducts regularly in our life. 00:27:35
For Dodge County. 00:27:40
Hello everyone. My name is Aaron Galvin as Cameron mentioned. 00:28:43
I'm an auditor with Baker Tilly. I've been. 00:28:47
With Baker Tilly, for the past four or five years I've been on this audit specifically. 00:28:49
Past three to four years, both on the single audit and the financial audit. 00:28:53
Tonight I'm going to kind of go through a few different items. 00:29:01
Really focusing on. 00:29:05
Really three major parts, first part being the audit status. We had our audit. 00:29:07
Back starting in May, we issued it at the end of July. So kind of go through that. 00:29:11
Some points with the audit, how it went. 00:29:15
I'm also going to go through the financial highlights. These are. 00:29:18
Really a summary level detail of your financials. I'm not going to go through the financials necessarily tonight, but these 00:29:21
financial highlights. 00:29:25
Kind of highlight some particular areas I want to discuss. 00:29:29
And then finally the audit results, this is really a report we have for. 00:29:32
Different controls at the county and different. 00:29:37
Things to disclose will kind of go through that as well. 00:29:40
Here is our Baker Tilly team. Andrew Jansen is the principal and Cassandra Chase is a senior manager. You might be familiar with 00:29:44
some of them. They've probably presented in the past and then myself. 00:29:49
Typically, both for the financial audit and the single audit will. 00:29:55
Have teams of three to four individuals. 00:29:58
Audit status, financial audit, like I said, um. 00:30:03
Issued back at the end of July, July 31st. 00:30:05
We issued an unmodified opinion. 00:30:08
Essentially a clean opinion, which is what you want. 00:30:11
That is basically to say, the financials were prepared in. 00:30:14
All material aspects and with the required framework. 00:30:17
Our single audit, we do that here usually in the summer. Our field work was the first week of August. 00:30:22
Kind of going through that process now with the testing and the review, but at this point there's no findings or issues with that. 00:30:28
So that's always a good thing. 00:30:32
These financial highlights here are kind of what I was going through before Umm. 00:30:37
Just kind of highlighting your financials this first. 00:30:42
Slide is related to your general fund and. 00:30:45
The fund balance, otherwise known as kind of its lifetime net income. 00:30:48
This year fund balance went up. It's that 39.2 million at the top. 00:30:52
The cause for this increase you can see in that summarized income statement revenues were 2.5 million above budget. 00:30:57
Main reason for that was investment income. 00:31:03
Just with the kind of state of the economic environment, we've seen this pretty consistently across our municipalities. 00:31:06
The other cause for the increase was expenditures. This came in under budget. Under budget by around 7 million. 00:31:14
This was really due to capital outlay. 00:31:19
Coming in under budget. 00:31:21
I would imagine that was because of projects that probably didn't get completed this year or didn't. 00:31:23
Costs that weren't as high as expected with the budget. 00:31:28
Your general fund is kind of broken down by different fund balance categories, and that's what that table there is showing. 00:31:32
Dodge County utilizes 4 out of those five categories. You'll see the committed category is not one that's used. 00:31:38
I'll kind of go through a few of these here briefly. 00:31:43
Non. 00:31:46
Kind of as the name implies, this items that can't be spent. 00:31:47
Dodge County, that's really prepaid and delinquent taxes that make up that balance. 00:31:50
Restricted fund balance. 00:31:56
Again, like it says. 00:31:57
Kind of just a fun balance that's restricted for particular purposes. 00:31:59
Usually this is for particular funds that are restricted in nature. Their fund balance will go to that category. 00:32:02
Then you have the assigned fund balance category. 00:32:09
This would be for any carryovers or anything applied to fund balance for next year's budget. So that would be fiscal year 2025. 00:32:11
And then an unassigned category, that's really the biggest category that's essentially all the leftovers. So anything that's not. 00:32:19
Non spendable, restricted, committed or assigned will go into that. 00:32:26
Unassigned category. 00:32:29
This next slide is still looking at that unassigned fund balance of the general fund. 00:32:33
And it is comparing it to your expenditures for next year? 00:32:38
This is really trying to look at. 00:32:42
What of that fund balance or that net income that's. 00:32:44
Leftover is available to be spent compared to your expenditures for next year. 00:32:47
So you'll kind of see here in the table that. 00:32:52
The general fund is that red line there. 00:32:54
Really comparable to last year was four 1.8% last year. 00:32:57
41.4% this year. 00:33:01
Those black dots are. 00:33:03
Kind of a median reference of our Baker Tilly clients that are a similar. 00:33:05
Size to Dodge County so you can see. 00:33:10
That the county is really in line with all these other municipalities here as well. 00:33:12
That black line is the policy maximum. I believe it is 25% for the general fund. 00:33:17
And then that sort of light blue line would be the policy minimum that's at 16.7%. So you can see the general fund is well above. 00:33:22
That policy there. 00:33:30
There is sort of a line there at the bottom for the Human Services and Health Fund. 00:33:31
Similar to the general fund that has a policy minimum. 00:33:35
Of 16.7% but just wanted to show that slightly under the. 00:33:38
Policy minimum, but the nice part is the general fund. 00:33:42
Is over that maximum that of the Health and Human Services Fund needed something the gentleman could always help out. 00:33:44
This next slide here is really looking at the debt. 00:33:52
At Dodge County, that top black line is the debt limit. 00:33:55
At Dodge County, you can see it's increasing year after year, which is always a good sign, and then you can see that. 00:34:00
The actual debt outstanding for Dodge County is that red line there. 00:34:05
The actual percent of where Dodge County is at per debt, compared to the debt limit is around 4%. 00:34:10
So really. 00:34:17
Utilizing just a small portion of that debt limit, which is always good. 00:34:18
You can also see. 00:34:23
On that red line in comparison from. 00:34:24
This year to last year went down about $3,000,000. 00:34:26
That was in line with our expectations. There wasn't any debt issued this year and that decrease, it's just kind of in line with 00:34:29
scheduled debt payments. 00:34:33
This next slide here is again kind of looking at. 00:34:39
Debt for the county, it's really looking at those principal and interest payments. 00:34:42
And comparing it to the non capital expenditures of the county this sort of. 00:34:46
Analysis is really looking at dodge county's flexibility of. 00:34:51
What is being paid for debt versus what's being paid for? 00:34:55
Other non capital expenditures. 00:34:58
Again, you can see Dodge County is that red line there at the bottom. 00:35:01
Very comparable to last year, 1.5% to 1.4%. 00:35:05
Those black dots again are that kind of median. 00:35:09
Similar sized clients that we have at Baker Tilly. 00:35:12
Usually for this metric we always recommend 20% and under. 00:35:15
Dodge County is well below that, so just really shows that flexibility that. 00:35:18
Those debt payments are really quite minuscule in comparison to other expenditures and shows that flexibility. 00:35:22
These next few slides will be going through the audit results. These have not been issued yet. 00:35:30
The reason for that is we had some new sort of guidelines and standards this year from. 00:35:36
DHS in relation to the nursing home. So we are working through that testing as we're working through it this week actually. 00:35:42
So lot of results I would say. 00:35:49
99% done. We just want to make sure through that testing there's nothing additional to add to the audit results and then we will 00:35:51
issue those. 00:35:54
Within the auto results I would say. 00:35:59
There's really three key things we're reporting in there. 00:36:01
One is any control findings we have. 00:36:04
And then we'll also report. 00:36:06
Kind of the new Gatsby's, if there's anything. 00:36:08
We went through this year for new Gatsby implementation, are looking forward and then we'll also kind of disclose some entries. 00:36:11
That first item I kind of mentioned the internal control matters. 00:36:18
We had one control point this year was a material weakness for financial reporting. 00:36:21
This is just because Baker Tilly prepares the financials. I would say we have the same exact point. 00:36:25
Probably 95% of our audits that we do. So it's definitely not uncommon. 00:36:30
The next sort of item that I was mentioning was those Gatsby's. 00:36:37
I'll get into some of the future Gatsby's we're looking forward for. 00:36:40
But this year we implemented Gatsby 101. 00:36:44
This was related in a compensated absences so that. 00:36:47
Kind of sick and vacation time. 00:36:49
The past Gatsby that we had was. 00:36:52
Really kind of outdated to what's now happening in today's world with. 00:36:54
Paid time off, banking that sick and vacation time. So we implemented that at the county. 00:36:58
And no issues there. 00:37:04
Then the other kind of main part of those auto results that we have is the. 00:37:06
Uncorrected and corrected misstatements. 00:37:10
There's really kind of two kinds. That first one is. 00:37:13
A page that we call it, otherwise a past adjusting journal entry. These would be items that during our audit we discovered that. 00:37:16
Aren't necessarily the material, but they were still large enough that. 00:37:23
We needed to disclose it. 00:37:26
There's four funds listed there that are affected, but there are really only three instances of patches we had. 00:37:28
One was in the general fund. This was related to. 00:37:35
An item last year that still had current year effects, so it was kind of just correcting that issues with a grant accrual. 00:37:38
Highway there was a mist accumulated depreciation deletion. 00:37:45
So that was what that one was. And then the last one was Clearview. 00:37:49
And business type activities was just one point. 00:37:53
The allowance for doubtful accounts for Clearview. 00:37:57
We look at collections at the end of the year and kind of see how that compares to receivables. 00:38:00
It looked like that allowance was a little lower than what we were expecting. 00:38:06
So that's what that point is. 00:38:09
And then the final type is those material adjustments. This would be items that we deemed material. 00:38:12
That we discovered during our audit and we. 00:38:16
Such corrected for the financial statements. 00:38:19
Three items there, one related to opioid receivables. 00:38:22
The county receives grant funding for those opioid funds. 00:38:25
In the past there was some funding that was not yet known. 00:38:28
What that dollar amount would be? 00:38:32
This year those amounts were now known, so we made sure that was accrued as a receivable. 00:38:34
CLTS, revenues and expenditures. This was a new sort of. 00:38:38
Item from DHS this year that anything that's from a third party. 00:38:43
That the county should not have as revenues and expenditures. So we back those off. 00:38:47
And then the last one was compensated absences. This was part of our Gatsby 101 analysis. 00:38:51
And making sure compensated absences were aligned. 00:38:56
As a part of the auto results, we kind of have some trending topics. They're listed there. 00:39:01
There is a link in the auto results, I believe it goes to a Baker Tilly website. So that link is there. When you do get the audit 00:39:05
results, that link will also be there. Kind of give you some more information. 00:39:09
On some of those trending topics. 00:39:13
And then as I mentioned before, just kind of looking ahead to some future Gatsby's. 00:39:17
The past, I would say. 00:39:20
Three years we've had some pretty major Gatsby's being. 00:39:22
Gatsby 8796 and this year 101. 00:39:25
Looking forward, thankfully there is not as many Major Gatsby's that would have. 00:39:28
A ton of overhaul. Gatsby 102 and 103. 00:39:32
Mostly relate to certain disclosures in the financials. 00:39:36
As Baker Tilly, as your auditors prepare these financials, we'll make sure if those do affect the county, they are implemented 00:39:39
correctly. 00:39:43
Similar with Gatsby 10. 00:39:47
Just more information in the footnotes for the users of the financials for those certain capital assets. Again, we prepare the 00:39:49
financial so. 00:39:53
We'll make sure those kind of get in there as they should be. 00:39:57
Thank you everyone for listening if anyone had any. 00:40:02
Questions. I could definitely answer them at this time. 00:40:04
I don't see anything. 00:40:11
Awesome. Well, thank you, everybody. I appreciate your time. Thank you. 00:40:13
County Administrator. 00:40:21
Cameron. 00:40:22
Are you going to? 00:40:24
Announce the next. 00:40:25
Yes. So the next I. 00:40:26
Yep, Yep, Yep, Corey. 00:40:42
OK. 00:41:09
Good evening. I'm Corey Byrd, Metro Architects out of Milwaukee, WI. 00:41:14
Again, what John said. We've been hired to do the building assessments and master planning. 00:41:18
For the county facilities. 00:41:23
We've been doing interviewings with the departments looking at the buildings. 00:41:25
I'll move. Everybody's been very considerate taking us around. 00:41:29
Interview him. We're asking more questions as far as how they use their space today. 00:41:34
What maybe could be improvements? 00:41:40
ETC. Looking at that. 00:41:42
Some of the biggest things that we kind of just. 00:41:45
Noticed as. 00:41:47
Some of your buildings have some. 00:41:49
Vacated space. 00:41:51
So what we're also doing is going to look at is where is it we can consolidate those spaces, maybe move some departments around to 00:41:52
utilize that space. 00:41:56
That may free up some other. 00:42:01
Areas as well. 00:42:02
Nothing. Great concerns. 00:42:05
One of the maybe the hot topic that we've. 00:42:07
Looked at. 00:42:10
Was the corner space if you've ever seen it. 00:42:11
It's not very good for what he has to do. 00:42:15
So that's one of the things that are. 00:42:18
More of a high priority for us is when we make our recommendations. 00:42:21
Next steps we'll have engineering coming through. 00:42:26
I'm looking at the building. 00:42:29
Building systems. 00:42:31
We're going to be finalizing that space programming for all the departments to see where they're at. 00:42:32
And where they could be. 00:42:37
We'll provide a complete report. 00:42:39
We will present to the County Board again our findings, recommendations. 00:42:41
All of that. 00:42:47
With cost estimations in kind of milestones for master planning. 00:42:48
Over 20 years. 00:42:53
That's where we're at right now. Any questions? 00:42:55
Donna. 00:43:01
We're looking to be completed by the end of September. 00:43:10
Anyone else? 00:43:15
Not working. 00:43:19
All right. 00:43:22
Right. 00:43:25
Caffeine. Go ahead if you're. 00:43:26
We'll bring it all later as we evaluate that. 00:43:41
There's nothing. There's a lot of spaces that that. 00:43:44
When we were talking to the department directors. 00:43:47
And going through that, some of the areas had. 00:43:50
Available space I should say. 00:43:53
So some of that is is going to be. 00:43:55
Maybe reevaluating and laying those out spaces differently. 00:43:58
To again consolidate some spaces to open that up for future development. 00:44:02
Should go. 00:44:13
We did look at all of the highway shops as well. 00:44:22
We'll be looking at that and that'll be part of the report of what to utilize that space. 00:44:30
We talked to the highway department director. 00:44:34
Went through all of those spaces and that's one that. 00:44:38
Yeah, there's a lot of. 00:44:40
Available space in that one that's not being utilized. 00:44:42
I am an understanding that. 00:44:45
Sheriff may use that for Emergency Management etc certain cases. 00:44:47
But for the majority of the time, yeah, it is vacant spaces. So we will be looking at that as well. 00:44:51
Anybody else? 00:44:59
All right. Thank you. 00:45:02
No, no, no. You're looking at an old agenda, R&R insurance. 00:45:17
Good evening and thank you for your time this morning. As some of you may know, we've had some challenges over the last several 00:45:59
years. 00:46:03
Regarding our health insurance rates, mostly due to previous utilization rates. 00:46:07
We. 00:46:14
Dodge County has not had a lot of opportunities. 00:46:14
For other options other than Dean Health. 00:46:18
This year is a little bit different. We do have. 00:46:23
And an offer from Wisconsin Counties Association Group Health Trust. 00:46:28
For a quick review. 00:46:35
Dean Health. 00:46:37
Came in with an original 2026 renewal at 19.9%. 00:46:38
They did reduce that to 16.9%. 00:46:45
With a 2027 rate cap of 19.9%. 00:46:49
WCAGHT. 00:46:57
Came in with an original. 00:46:59
2026 quote. 00:47:01
Offer. 00:47:03
Of 16.4%. 00:47:04
With a 2027 rate cap. 00:47:06
Of 9.5%. 00:47:08
I'll get into the final. 00:47:13
Renewal rates and quote offers, but I wanted to mention a few things first. 00:47:15
We did do an employee health insurance survey. 00:47:20
The results of that survey were shared with the Human Resources Committee as well as the Joint. 00:47:23
Human Resources. Finance Committee. 00:47:29
To take the those results into consideration before bringing a recommendation to the county board. 00:47:31
Those survey results were also shared with the employees. 00:47:38
WCAGHT this is the first time. 00:47:44
That they have quoted a health insurance. 00:47:47
For Dodge County, since we left the state plan in 2019. 00:47:50
This is a recommendation that came from the HR committee. 00:47:56
HR and joint finance. 00:48:00
Excuse me, the Joint HR Committee and Finance Committee. 00:48:02
And we feel this is a viable option with the value add-ons that they offer. 00:48:05
As some of you know, we've had network challenges with Dean Health. 00:48:11
In particular, losing the Marshfield clinic. 00:48:17
And hospital. 00:48:20
And we've always had challenges. 00:48:21
With providers on the eastern side of Dodge County going into Washington County and also the southeastern. 00:48:24
Um Dodge County into. 00:48:31
Waukesha County. 00:48:34
We did have a joint. At the joint meeting, WCAGHD did a presentation for information. 00:48:36
They also came this afternoon and did a presentation for employees as informational only. 00:48:44
And providing resources to employees if this is an option going forward. 00:48:50
And then our next steps, the favorable will be to bring a solution to the County Board in September. 00:48:57
I do want to share with you the final rates that have been provided to us, Dean Health. 00:49:03
Final rate for the renewal for 2026 is 14.9%. 00:49:08
With a 2027 rate cap of 14.9%. 00:49:14
NWCA GHT. 00:49:18
Their final 2026 quote offer is 12.9%, with a 2027 rate cap of 9.5%. 00:49:21
That said, I'm going to introduce Chris Kramer with our and our insurance, our broker, He's going to provide a little bit more 00:49:30
information for you and then introduce WCHEHT. 00:49:36
Good evening. 00:49:44
Good evening, everyone. Chris Cramer from our insurance. 00:49:46
Me and my fellow consultant Shay Sure Finsky have worked with the county now for about 3 years. 00:49:49
On your overall benefits package. 00:49:54
And we were tasked with each year looking at the various healthcare options that are out there. 00:49:56
Taking into account directives for both the board and the committees and administration. 00:50:01
To look at plans that are fiscally sustainable for the for the long haul. 00:50:06
And we this year again, we did our due diligence, we looked at. 00:50:10
A ton of different options. 00:50:14
Self funded options. Fully insured options. 00:50:15
Compared to the state plan. 00:50:18
Really leaving no stone unturned. 00:50:20
We went out to bid, we interviewed several carriers. 00:50:22
Some declined to quote, others quoted, but were much higher than what Tiny had just presented. 00:50:26
But after the interviews and after taking into account some of the directors of the HR and Finance Committee. 00:50:31
As well as some of the input from employees and the surveys about. 00:50:36
Perhaps a different network and such? 00:50:40
We came down to 2 alternative plans. 00:50:43
One is the current plan with Dean Health Plan. 00:50:47
And then the other is the. 00:50:49
The firm offer from Wisconsin County Association. 00:50:51
Group Health Trust. 00:50:54
They've been around. 00:50:56
Quite some time. 00:50:57
They work with many public sector employer groups. 00:50:58
And they offer many value added type programs and services. 00:51:01
So we thought it would merit having them come up and present. 00:51:05
Their program to you guys and give you an opportunity to ask questions. 00:51:09
And see if it's the right fit. 00:51:13
So with that, we have two representatives, Trina and Jeff, we're going to come up. 00:51:15
And walk us through a presentation. 00:51:18
Come up. 00:51:22
Thank you, Chris, and thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for allowing us to be here. My name is Trina Kiefer and I'm again with the 00:51:28
Group Health Trust. 00:51:32
We are thrilled to be here to share the information with you. 00:51:36
Again. 00:51:39
Tanya mentioned that we were able to present the employees at 3:00. We received a fair amount of employees that attended the 00:51:40
session. 00:51:43
On both virtually and in person, we were able to answer a lot of questions. So we're super excited that people are engaging and 00:51:47
and asking the questions. 00:51:51
So the Wisconsin Counties Association Group Health Trust. 00:51:56
Is a jointly self funded benefits trust that was created in 1991 by 5 counties that wanted something different for their health 00:51:59
benefits. 00:52:03
So they needed a employee benefit program that would meet the unique needs of local government. 00:52:08
Today, we partner with 110 schools, counties, and municipalities throughout the state of Wisconsin. 00:52:15
In a previous meeting I did some shout outs so we work with Sheboygan County. 00:52:21
Calumet County. 00:52:26
Ozaukee County. 00:52:28
Outagamie County, Oconto County, Burnett County, Sawyer County, So schools around here, Horacon, Lamira, Campbell Sport. 00:52:30
Herman Neosho, Rubicon. 00:52:39
New Holstein. So again, a lot of schools, counties and municipalities. So all we do is public entity in the state of Wisconsin. So 00:52:42
that's all that can participate in the group health trust. 00:52:47
So we serve just just under 15,000 employees. 00:52:52
And 40,000 members or belly buttons. 00:52:56
So the group health trust. 00:53:00
We administer the trust and to do that we have a number of partners. So we work with UMR who is our third party administrator, so 00:53:02
they handle the day-to-day customer service claims processing. 00:53:07
Enrollment processing for us. 00:53:13
So again, they do our day-to-day. 00:53:16
We work with United Healthcare. 00:53:19
And offer a choice plus. 00:53:21
National provider network that my colleague Jeff will talk in a little bit more detail about. So again, we're providing a national 00:53:23
provider network. 00:53:27
And we work with CVS Caremark, who is our pharmacy benefit manager or PBM. 00:53:31
And we access that through National Cooperative RX. 00:53:37
And. 00:53:41
It's all major chains for pharmacies that are participating in the network and a lot of the local pharmacies as well. 00:53:41
Very few in Wisconsin are not part of our pharmacy network. 00:53:48
So I'm going to turn over to Jeff. 00:53:53
Yeah. Good evening, everybody. My name is Jeff Berg. Well, I'm with you, Omar. United Healthcare. 00:53:57
As Trina mentioned. 00:54:02
UMR United Healthcare is a. 00:54:03
In a long term partner of the group Health Trust. 00:54:05
So as as I've stated earlier, one of the. 00:54:09
The main themes I came back from the survey result was wanting a larger network. 00:54:13
Of doctors for the employees of Dodge County to be able to see. 00:54:18
That's something that our united partnership with United Healthcare. 00:54:22
Choice Plus Network is able to provide. 00:54:26
It is a large national network, so there's. 00:54:28
Providers in every state, so if employees have dependents that are living in in other states, going to school or, you know, 00:54:31
retirees. 00:54:35
We have coverage all around the country. 00:54:40
More importantly. 00:54:42
Here local, we have a strong. 00:54:43
Network presence. 00:54:46
We work with some of your top providers, so Prairie Ridge Health. 00:54:47
Watertown Regional Clinic. 00:54:52
We work with the SSM hospital and Fond du Lac. 00:54:54
Which is formerly known as. 00:54:57
We work with Marshfield Clinic. 00:54:59
Or the Beaver Dam Community Hospital. 00:55:01
We also. 00:55:04
Have some expansion areas so we work with. 00:55:05
Aurora. 00:55:08
We work with. 00:55:09
Pro health we work with. 00:55:10
Freighter Children's Hospital all being in network providers with the United Healthcare's Choice Plus network. 00:55:12
The one kind of major. 00:55:19
Spot in the state of Wisconsin the the major provider system, we don't have a network. 00:55:21
Is deemed down in Madison. 00:55:25
So that Dean physicians as well as Saint Mary's Hospital. 00:55:27
In the greater Madison area are not. 00:55:31
Participating with. 00:55:33
Choice plus network. 00:55:35
Anybody can go out and look for. 00:55:37
Through our provider director, you don't have to be logged in as a member, you would go to umr.com. 00:55:39
Choose United Healthcare Choice Plus. 00:55:45
And then find a provider and you're able to search. 00:55:47
Through to find the available in network providers for. 00:55:50
Dodge County employees. 00:55:53
Again, here's just a quick snapshot of the state. 00:55:57
We have hospital and major provider systems. 00:56:01
You know, all across the state as well as. 00:56:04
As I mentioned, nationwide coverage. 00:56:07
We also are really known as a data company. 00:56:09
We bring in a lot of data and we actually rate our physicians based on quality and cost efficiency. So those physicians that are 00:56:12
the best of the best are going to be the ones that show up first. 00:56:17
In our provider directory. 00:56:21
Encouraging employees to see those providers. 00:56:23
Umm, we don't have any requirements from a primary care physician. It's truly an Open Access network. 00:56:27
So employees and their dependents of Dodge County would be able to. 00:56:34
Go and see seek the care that they. 00:56:39
Feel is best for themselves and their family. 00:56:41
With very limited restrictions when it comes to. 00:56:43
Provider access. 00:56:46
All this information will be available on the website umr.com. 00:56:50
If we were award your business, all employees would be able to register out here and they'll be able to find all the information 00:56:53
you know relevant to them, you know. 00:56:58
Maintaining their health plan. 00:57:03
Getting that information and really as well as resources to help them. 00:57:04
Maintain that. 00:57:08
And finally, one of the main things that we provide for. 00:57:11
The Group Health Trust is our customer service. 00:57:14
We know that. 00:57:16
Nobody wants to be calling health insurance companies, right? It's the last thing on people's lists. 00:57:17
So when we answer the phone, we do it with compassion. 00:57:23
We have a dedicated plant advisor team. 00:57:26
That only works with public sector. 00:57:28
That only works with a group health trust. 00:57:31
Meaning it only works with. 00:57:33
Public sector employees in the state of Wisconsin. 00:57:35
So they understand some of the unique needs and some of those benefit needs that you know the population may have and they are 00:57:38
able to really assist those people as they go through their their health care journey. 00:57:43
So again, we. 00:57:53
Work with CVS Caremark to provide that pharmacy. 00:57:55
All major chains, again nationally there's a provider access. 00:57:58
A lot of the local pharmacies as well. Mail order and specialty is available through mail order. 00:58:03
So value added benefits a lot of things we do. 00:58:09
To enhance the Wellness of your employees. So Wellness screenings, the first annual colonoscopy mammogram path. 00:58:13
Or prostate exam is covered at 100% regardless if there's a diagnosis. 00:58:21
So for example, if your employee goes in and they find polyps during a colonoscopy. 00:58:26
Any additional? 00:58:30
Time that they would have to get a recheck would be coming back with a medical diagnosis with the group health trust. They get one 00:58:33
per benefit period paid as. 00:58:36
A vision exam we do include. 00:58:42
Vision Exam. 00:58:44
For all covered members paid at 100%. It includes the Refraction and All Vision. 00:58:45
Providers are in network. 00:58:51
Teledoc Teledoc is a benefit that is virtual care. They can do that by phone or by computer. 00:58:53
It's for General Medical, behavioral health and dermatology. 00:59:01
Due to the big beautiful bill, we are able to provide this care at no cost to your employee current. 00:59:05
Virtual care through a Teledoc type service. 00:59:12
Is typically subject to deductible, but now we are able to waive that deductible. So we're offering this care at no cost. It is a 00:59:16
low cost access to care. One of the benefits of Teledoc that I like to point out is we're seeing more and more an increase in 00:59:22
behavioral health needs with. 00:59:28
Fewer access or longer? 00:59:34
Longer wait times to get in to see a professional. 00:59:36
So they do provide care for dependents, adolescents age 13 to 18 as well, in addition to adults. So it's just a great resource for 00:59:40
your employees and their families. 00:59:45
Better health, I have a slide, so I'll talk a little bit more, but this is gut health, food is medicine program, weight loss and 00:59:51
there's so many more health benefits to that. 00:59:55
We offer a maternity management program if a member enrolls. 01:00:00
During pregnancy, first or second trimester and complete the program, they can earn a $25.00 gift card and it provides them with 01:00:05
some great information. 01:00:10
Our goal is healthy babies to get that. 01:00:14
Pregnancy to full term premiums do cost a plan a lot of money, so again, it's just offering some great resource. 01:00:17
One pass elect is a discount. 01:00:24
Program, health club program we found a number of facilities that are within like a 20 mile radius that participate. One question 01:00:27
we had during the employee meeting like the. 01:00:33
Tax tag facility in Mayville they participate. So again just a number of discounted. 01:00:39
Health club membership access for employees as well. 01:00:46
Other value that. 01:00:50
Affect administration and overall. 01:00:52
We do not charge for COBRA administration for all lines of coverage. That is something that you are currently paying for that 01:00:55
service. So that would be at no cost included in our proposal. 01:01:00
And then compliance reporting. So we handle that government annual. 01:01:06
Provide or compliance reporting and then information for employees as well. 01:01:11
So I mentioned Teledoc again, this is virtual care that's available at no cost for a number of medical conditions. So employees 01:01:17
can register, fill out a medical questionnaire and have access to that. 01:01:23
For certain prescriptions, they can prescribe that medication to the local pharmacy, so that would be subject to their planned 01:01:31
benefits, but again, no cost care. 01:01:35
Oh yes please. 01:01:42
An understanding with the. 01:01:44
With a teledoc there is a version of that right now with Dean and understanding is for 2026. 01:01:46
Their version employees would have your employees would have to pay. 01:01:51
For those services. 01:01:55
With the teledoc and the GHT. 01:01:56
There, that's at no cost. 01:01:59
So if my daughter wakes up with pink. 01:02:01
Yes, I could run to a clinic and I'd be charged something. Or I could do Teledoc. 01:02:03
Right from our phone or a tablet. 01:02:07
And it costs me nothing. 01:02:09
And it costs the plan less because it's more. 01:02:10
Economical way of receiving care. 01:02:13
For some of these more minor type of things. 01:02:15
You know, UTI's, skin problems, allergies, things like that. 01:02:17
It is not for emergencies if I'm having chest pains. 01:02:21
I'm not going to do Teledoc, obviously. 01:02:24
But it is a way for people to save money and some of the more common. 01:02:26
Ailments that they and their family members may have. 01:02:29
Thank you. 01:02:32
So Better Health is a new program that we. 01:02:35
Added to our programs for a select number of group health trust employers. We added it to all of our counties in the. 01:02:38
January of 20. 01:02:47
25 and so in I met the owner of. 01:02:49
The owner, founder of Better Health at our county's conference. 01:02:55
In September of 2023 he came and introduced the program. My initial thought was, oh, just another weight loss program. 01:02:58
But he offered to allow us to try it and see what results we received. 01:03:05
For our membership, what they thought of the program. 01:03:10
And so we had. 01:03:14
County up in the northern part of the state. 01:03:16
They tried this program for us, 20 of their employees and I'm just going to turn to the next screen because if you can see the 01:03:19
woman. 01:03:22
Who's in the program? Her name's Anna. She's actually a GHT member through Burnett County, and she came on a conference call with 01:03:25
us about. 01:03:28
Five months after she started the program and she had lost 50 lbs and I was inspired. She had a lot of health improvements and so 01:03:32
she was raving about the program. So I said I need to try it. If this program is that great, I need to stand up and explain it. I 01:03:39
want to try it. So I tried a better health starting in July of 2024 and I lost 60 lbs on the program. I actually did a triathlon 01:03:45
on Saturday in Waupaca and I said. 01:03:52
Trina from July 2024 would never have done a triathlon, but I did a short Sprint triathlon, 1/4 mile swim, 12 mile bike and a two 01:03:58
mile run. So. 01:04:03
Thanks to Better Health, it really improved my overall health. So this is a program that's available for employees covered under 01:04:08
the plan, and they're covered spouses. 01:04:12
It includes a scale, coaching sessions, AI. Again, we do an onboarding with better health for employees to learn more about the 01:04:17
program, but we're seeing a lot of success. 01:04:23
Data through April, our number of counties and employers that were on the plan, we've lost over 6000 lbs and now it's 01:04:29
significantly higher. So again, a lot of our goal on this is to reduce overall health spends with medications. We're seeing people 01:04:37
lower their blood pressure, cholesterol, A1C, So we're seeing just some staggering results on. 01:04:44
Overall health improvements. 01:04:52
So I mentioned one Pass select. Again, this is a discounted health club program where if someone it's just a pass through. So they 01:04:55
would sign up, the employees would sign up directly through one pass elect. 01:05:01
If they selected the classic level, they'd get all of the providers within the classic level we're seeing like Anytime Fitness, 01:05:07
Snap Fitness. 01:05:11
Planet Fitness, so a number of. 01:05:16
Facilities within that. So it's not just restricting them to one health club. They can have multiple access. So it's it's just a 01:05:18
great program. We're getting a lot of feedback. 01:05:23
Again, just a value add. They do grocery delivery, there is digital access. So again, just a fantastic program overall to improve 01:05:28
the Wellness of your employees and their families. 01:05:33
I already talked about maternity management. Again, it's care management for expectant mothers, so a way for them to get a reward 01:05:41
and get some additional information through the term of their pregnancy. 01:05:47
And then this is just a snapshot, it's obviously small. 01:05:54
Type of, but we tried to closely match the benefits that you have. 01:05:58
With Dean Health Plan, it is not an exact match, the benefits are the same, but we've we've gone through there are a couple of 01:06:01
value adds with us, there were a couple of different value adds with them. No2 health benefits payers are alike, but again, we 01:06:08
feel like we offer a strong Wellness and overall. 01:06:15
Plan with great provider access for your employees. 01:06:22
So we did list the rates. 01:06:27
One other thing that we added when talking to Tanya initially through our. 01:06:30
First conversation with the county. 01:06:35
She mentioned that you do an on site biometrics. We did offer to include the cost of the on site biometrics in our proposal again 01:06:38
are not to exceed for the January 1st 27 renewals plus 9.5%. 01:06:45
We do a lot of onboarding support. We have a benefit booklet that we create that you can put out on an intranet or share with 01:06:52
employees electronically. We can get you some paper copies if you need that. We'll support your staff and on on site meetings. 01:06:59
And then also we provide a number of reporting for monthly quarterly reporting to help you know how the plan is running ongoing. 01:07:06
So we would work with Chris and his team to share that information. 01:07:13
So one thing that we started doing a few years ago and it has been a huge success in the marketplace is that we try to provide 01:07:21
your employees help right away so that they're not going directly to HR with their questions. 01:07:27
Changes sometimes challenging. 01:07:34
Especially when it. 01:07:36
Comes to employees health, so we put out two e-mail addresses that we allow your employees and their families to reach out to us. 01:07:38
Right away with questions and so the GHT inbox that Charles Taylor that's for if someone has ongoing care, maybe they have cancer 01:07:46
or maybe they're in the middle of a maternity. 01:07:51
They're pregnant or they're currently being treated for behavioral health. We, we can help them to find a provider to verify any 01:07:58
services that need prior authorizations. And then the GHTRX questions goes right to our partners at National Cooperative. So we 01:08:05
can verify if their prescriptions on on the formulary if they need a prior authorization. 01:08:12
I used to work for WEA Trust there. 01:08:20
Their diabetic insulin was different than ours, but it was just as simple as, you know, a change from Humalog to Novolog. So we 01:08:24
help walk your employees and their families through those changes to make it smooth so that they're not standing at the pharmacy 01:08:31
on January 2nd and and having any challenges or questions. So again, our goal is to make this easy. 01:08:38
And seamless for your employees when we can. 01:08:45
So we do have a group at the. 01:08:49
GHT team that provides an extra layer or service. The day-to-day goes to UMM our partners there. 01:08:52
But we provide a strong support for. 01:08:58
Your administration for your employees. So if they have a question or issue that they need to escalate up, they have us. They'll 01:09:00
have a team and myself and my team that we're going to be available for questions. 01:09:07
One thing that I didn't point out enough, I think through this entire process is one thing that the group health drug. 01:09:13
Trust us. 01:09:19
Really well is that we do a lot of pooling with the the groups of our counties. 01:09:20
So. 01:09:27
The largest renewal that we've delivered so far in the history of the Group Health Trust and. 01:09:27
My history has been a 22% increase and now no one wants a 22% increase but in the way of health benefits. 01:09:33
There are 50% increases, 60% increases being delivered in some cases. So we really do see the value of our county partners. We 01:09:42
realize that you don't make widgets or you can't change your. 01:09:48
The the product you can't put too fewer ounces in the bag. 01:09:55
So we do try to be good partners again, counties, it's in our name. So we want to be good partners to our county partners and all 01:09:59
of our public entity partners because obviously. 01:10:04
You're buying benefits different. 01:10:09
So that's what we have for you today. Any questions? 01:10:13
Yes. 01:10:17
Oh, there was a typo with A0I. Apologize. Yep, the 0 is out of the place. Yep, sorry about that. 01:10:23
Thank you. 01:10:29
It's three. We caught this on the proposal, but I apologize that this made it in the slide. It's $2375.95. 01:10:30
Yes. 01:10:39
That's the full monthly premium, not included the. 01:10:40
Employees portion. 01:10:44
Oh yeah. 01:10:51
That's not a question for the group health trust because we. 01:11:10
No, it's it's. 01:11:13
Completely, umm. 01:11:15
It's just an offering, but I believe that there are some programs. 01:11:17
Can I defer to? 01:11:21
Yes, any programs that would be related to. 01:11:23
Dave, go ahead. 01:12:06
Call in from the mics are not working. I'll try to. 01:12:08
Catch you? 01:12:11
What is the? 01:12:14
I would have to calculate that based on your enrollment. It's truly. 01:12:30
It's cost neutral. 01:12:35
So. 01:12:37
Yep. 01:12:38
Correct. So we would need to see how many you have in each tier and then it would adjust based on that. So like if right now if 01:12:41
you have. 01:12:45
235 singles. 01:12:49
And then 300 family contracts, we would have to see in the family contracts how many employees fall in the different tiers and 01:12:51
then we would be able to calculate that, but the family rate would go up. 01:12:57
Yeah, but we could. 01:13:04
That's just the first year. 01:13:05
It's the first year to adjust them that would state that then it would like the 9 1/2%. 01:13:08
Absolutely. 01:13:16
Correct. 01:13:19
What's the absolute deadline today? 01:13:23
Yeah. 01:13:35
Right, right. It's it would be November 1st. There are some benefits that require 60 or 90 day. So it doesn't mean like, so one 01:13:38
pass elect I believe is 90 days to have that in place. So if we didn't have a decision by October 1st, you would still get one 01:13:45
pass elect, but it wouldn't be eligible until February 1st. 01:13:51
For complete implementation, correct? 01:14:00
Through yours and then you would just there's a portal online we. 01:14:05
Initial process would be done through. 01:14:09
The. 01:14:11
However, the. 01:14:13
Administrative team decides to do it. Typically we would receive an enrollment file from your current benefit provider. We would 01:14:15
enroll based on that and then. 01:14:20
You would handle your open enrollment of offering and then any changes we would just make to that. 01:14:24
Can you provide? 01:14:32
Oh yeah, absolutely. 01:14:38
With employee, spouse, employee, child. 01:14:40
Yeah, we can do that if yeah, with if we have the full census, yeah, we can definitely do that. If it just doesn't say single or 01:14:42
family on there, we would need a full census of showing the number to. 01:14:46
Dependence, but we could absolutely do that. 01:14:51
Thank you. 01:14:53
Cameron, you want to answer that question? 01:14:56
All right. 01:15:01
Super Fries Aquil. 01:15:03
Hang up more than. 01:15:17
Dodge County. 01:15:20
Well, last year we did grow by two counties, I believe. 01:15:22
We haven't lost. 01:15:27
County in the last few years. 01:15:29
The last three years we've been pretty. 01:15:32
Pretty consistent. The biggest. 01:15:34
Challenge with that is obviously budgets, obviously if someone's running. 01:15:36
Really. Terribly. 01:15:41
It would be a very long discussion, but it depends, you know, like we try to be good partners, try to work within budgets. But 01:15:44
yeah, we've been really stable. We, we grew 5 school districts in July. 01:15:49
Our financials are very strong. 01:15:55
That's how I just. 01:15:58
Yeah, a general statement. 01:15:59
Yes, our goal is long term partnerships. 01:16:02
So rather than one year at a time, we don't want, we don't want the next person to be up here next year. 01:16:05
Having to present right if we we were fortunate enough to get the decision to move to the Group L Trust. 01:16:09
We hope that would be for. 01:16:16
The long term. 01:16:18
As I said at. 01:16:19
The joint meeting that we had that. 01:16:21
I didn't want to make a change last year and I'm very strong with. 01:16:25
When we make a change, it's to improve our. 01:16:29
Network. 01:16:33
So that we can attract. 01:16:34
More employees and. 01:16:37
And keep the employees we have. 01:16:38
Happy and content. 01:16:41
To be able to offer a wider range. 01:16:43
Thank you. 01:16:45
Thank you. 01:16:47
Kathy. 01:16:52
Probably what is the difference in price? 01:16:58
Like the family compared to this? 01:17:01
And a single. 01:17:04
To the employee. 01:17:08
You got it. Chris has got it here, Yes. 01:17:14
Yes. 01:17:17
So the. 01:17:18
Do you want? 01:17:20
Current, yes or their renewal. Oh, I guess the renewal so we can bare apples to apples, yes, so the renewal is. 01:17:21
One for Single 1157. 01:17:30
.94. 01:17:34
And the family. 01:17:36
Is 2894.85. 01:17:38
Thank you. 01:17:41
You're welcome. 01:17:42
That's the Dean. 01:17:45
Did you hear that? 01:17:52
Cameron, you got something else? 01:17:54
Go ahead. So takeaways for supervisors tonight. Thank you to. 01:17:57
All of our presenters I want to express. 01:18:05
Appreciation for our. 01:18:08
Human resources department as well and the work that they have done, this has been a year long. 01:18:10
Endeavor. 01:18:14
To learn more about health insurance and what is available to us. 01:18:15
Takeaways to share #1. 01:18:19
The question about about timing. 01:18:23
We want to make sure that we are prepared for our typical open enrollment period. So we're looking for a decision. 01:18:26
Final decision in September, so we'll be coming back to this body based on. 01:18:32
Response from or sponsorship of a potential resolution. 01:18:36
On the part of. 01:18:40
The Human Resources Committee. 01:18:42
That will come forward. 01:18:43
For their discussion at their September meeting with the anticipation that we'd have something at the county board. 01:18:45
As well in September, there was an employee meeting earlier today to. 01:18:50
Invite. 01:18:55
Folks to come in and ask any questions that they had, we've also submitted. 01:18:56
Information via e-mail. Constant contact reminders. 01:19:00
Newsletter reminders to. 01:19:03
Look up their providers so that we can get feedback from our employees if their providers are. 01:19:05
Within the network as provided or not, so we have a better understanding of what that impact might be if we change. 01:19:10
The umm. 01:19:17
A reminder to everyone here. 01:19:18
What staff has anticipated and perceived from presentations thus far, it appears that what we would be looking at if we were to 01:19:21
switch. 01:19:25
Is an increased value and increase in available resources to employees. 01:19:29
Generally, we again don't know what exactly would be the case for. 01:19:34
Individual families or households. 01:19:39
Of our employees and we want that information from them. 01:19:42
The second part is is as was mentioned. 01:19:44
When we talk about rate increases, every option has an increase for 2026, however, this is the lowest proposed increase. 01:19:47
Of available options as well as the lowest proposed Guaranteed Rate for 2027. 01:19:56
With the guaranteed not to exceed 9.9%. 01:20:02
The health the United healthcare system is the largest. 01:20:06
Network not the largest, but. 01:20:10
A significant nationwide network and so it's larger than anything else that we've experienced in. 01:20:13
At least since 2019. 01:20:18
And then? 01:20:21
When we searched for. 01:20:22
For self funding options. 01:20:23
Earlier this year and fully evaluated whether or not self funding taking care of it 100%. 01:20:26
On our own shoulders. 01:20:31
Was a viable option and concluded that it. 01:20:33
It was not. 01:20:35
The reason for that drive is really the opportunity to have all the data and information on our. 01:20:37
Health and well-being of our people. 01:20:41
But also puts. 01:20:43
Instead of coming to. 01:20:45
You all asking for new Wellness programs that are additional cost. 01:20:47
Or somehow pitted against other things in a budget. 01:20:51
Self funding puts us all on the same side of the table. 01:20:54
Looking at how to save costs for Dodge County and improve the Wellness of employees. 01:20:57
While this is not directly a self funding. 01:21:02
WCAGHT is a group. 01:21:07
Program where we are part of a group that is together funding. 01:21:09
Ourselves. 01:21:13
We would be gaining all of the benefits. That or a majority of the benefits we'd be looking for in a self funded program. 01:21:14
Without. 01:21:21
Incurring all of the risk on our own shoulders. 01:21:22
For those reasons, we wanted to bring it forward. 01:21:26
Provide this information, but we'll be coming back after a discussion with HR committee. 01:21:28
In September. 01:21:32
Thank you. 01:21:33
Correct one thing. 01:21:34
Sorry, I do need to give you a different number. I looked at the wrong column. 01:21:36
In my reading glasses on. 01:21:40
Sorry about that. 01:21:41
So the Dean renewal. 01:21:42
Rates. 01:21:44
Our night single is 96758. 01:21:46
Family is 2418. 01:21:51
95. 01:21:53
WCA. 01:21:55
Is 950 for a single. 01:21:58
And 2375. 01:22:00
For a family. 01:22:03
Just want to make sure that was. 01:22:05
OK. All right. Thank you. 01:22:09
Dale or Joe, do you want to introduce Dean or? 01:22:12
$43 million for new ratio system. 01:22:22
That's what they're reporting on the radio. 01:22:28
Bryant. 01:22:35
Close that curtain back there. 01:22:37
Good evening. We have here with us Dean Hart from Tucson. 01:22:41
Engineering. 01:22:45
And consulting Dean is the CEO of the company and we've worked a lot with him as his staff. 01:22:46
To conduct this presentation and report back on. 01:22:52
The type of system and our communications. 01:22:57
Infrastructure and analysis so. 01:23:02
Turn it over to Dean. 01:23:04
Good evening, Dodge County Board of Supervisors Dean Hart with TUSA Consulting. 01:23:10
So, some light technical talk tonight. I'll try not to be too much of A. 01:23:16
Propellerhead, as I stand before you. 01:23:20
A little introduction about Tusa Consulting. It's been in business since 1992. 01:23:22
Two, says the gentleman's name. It was the founder. 01:23:28
Nick retired in about 5 years ago and afforded me to. 01:23:31
By the company so proud to stand before you today. 01:23:36
To present this. 01:23:39
We're going to one of the things that we did as part of this. 01:23:42
Assessment was we did a needs assessment of your current radio system. 01:23:46
We talk to your users. 01:23:51
To see what their needs were. 01:23:53
Based on modern communications. 01:23:55
We did. We visited all of your radio sites to include your dispatch center. 01:23:57
We did user interviews. We did. 01:24:02
Several conventional or, excuse me, conceptual designs and we've got the budgets to support that as well. 01:24:05
So we in our needs assessment, we go by what we call the three eyes, which is investigate, interview and inspect so. 01:24:13
Again, we go out and look at what you got. 01:24:20
We talk to your users, all your public safety users, as well as public service users here in the county. 01:24:22
And we also inspect what you have. 01:24:28
So these were the sites. 01:24:32
That we visited which all these I'm sure familiar to you. I'll go through that. 01:24:34
The site condition details were provided in the report. 01:24:40
This is also your current VHF simulcast, an underlying simulcast, because that's important. 01:24:47
When you simulcast, if I'm down in Aspen and I talk on that radio tower, it broadcasts to the other eight sites. 01:24:52
9 sites total throughout the county. 01:24:59
And it's all doing it at the same time. 01:25:02
So you create a phenomenon called simulcast interference. 01:25:05
If it's managed properly, the system will work good. If it's not. 01:25:09
And I'm gonna show you that here in a bit. 01:25:13
It does not work good. 01:25:15
Your microwave is in a star configuration as well. 01:25:18
And that is working on getting replaced and I will show you. 01:25:22
What our design configuration? 01:25:26
Is as well. 01:25:28
Some site visits highlights. 01:25:31
You haven't done preventative maintenance on your radio system for a while. 01:25:33
I I always use the example you can't buy a new fire truck not change oil. 01:25:38
Got to put new tires on it when you drive it a lot. 01:25:41
It's very important to to. 01:25:44
Keep that system PM D. 01:25:46
On a yearly level. 01:25:48
Same way your subscribers, the handheld radios, the mobiles and the vehicles, those take maintenance. 01:25:50
That's really been non existent from our findings. 01:25:56
That appears to be a matter of budget to do those. 01:26:00
Tasks. 01:26:03
Site grounding needs attention. It's really not following industry standards in all cases. 01:26:05
Grounding is important. You've got a huge investment in each one of those sites and your grounding is some insurance to make sure 01:26:11
lightning hits. 01:26:14
That that public safety equipment doesn't take a hit and go off the air. 01:26:18
Generators are there, but many are not suited for what we would consider modern day communications networks. 01:26:23
Civil maintenance, fencing, we control, those types of things need some attention. 01:26:30
Your microwave is end of life. 01:26:36
But it's. 01:26:38
Planned for replacement. 01:26:39
One of the things we were looking at is to make sure that it can support what may be considered for the new radio system as well. 01:26:40
Consoles are approaching end of life in 20-30. 01:26:48
In the dispatch center. 01:26:51
And your base station repeaters are approaching the end of life in 2034. 01:26:53
So just key highlights on your current radio system. 01:26:59
We did user interviews of public safety and public service department heads, sheriff, local law enforcement, fire and EMS 01:27:04
dispatch, roads and bridge, other county users. 01:27:09
We wanted to talk to everybody. 01:27:15
We got a pretty good, we do an online survey, we got a good response from that so. 01:27:17
Letting us know what they got and what they need. 01:27:24
Some of the needs that were identified by those users as coverage. 01:27:29
You know when you really look at your radio system and you spend money, you're purchasing coverage. 01:27:33
The tower sites, the generators, the shelters, all that other stuff is to support that coverage need. 01:27:38
Audio quality. The users experience broken and poor audio. I'm going to talk about simulcast as well because that's a product of 01:27:45
that. 01:27:48
Interoperability Public safety struggles to communicate with the surrounding counties and the state. 01:27:53
Reliability of your radio system and the performance was reported as poor. 01:27:59
And training. In some cases, users found it difficult to use the radios on incidents and defying common channels. 01:28:05
So those were the highlights from the user interview. 01:28:11
One of the things that we did was we did a drive test throughout the county and that was to measure the current coverage from your 01:28:16
radio sites. 01:28:20
And when I look at this just from strictly a coverage perspective. 01:28:25
You should have pretty good coverage in your county. I mean, there's this coverage is good enough to support portable on the hip. 01:28:29
On the street throughout the county. 01:28:35
Now, umm. 01:28:37
That's different than when I walk into a building as a public safety user. 01:28:38
But it's important. 01:28:42
And this is the coverage from your current system. So we're able to put your current system into a propagation model. 01:28:46
As you really see that dark orange is multiple towers again. 01:28:53
Broadcasting at the same time. 01:28:58
You should have pretty good coverage in your county. 01:29:00
Should. 01:29:03
But the simulcast piece that I talked about with all nine sites broadcasting at the same time. 01:29:06
They create a phenomenon called time delay interference. 01:29:13
That has to be engineered and managed. 01:29:16
In the case of your system, it's not. 01:29:18
And so everywhere you look in purple. 01:29:21
Is noise. 01:29:24
Being self generated by your current radio system. 01:29:26
That creates situations potentially where public safety can't talk. 01:29:29
It creates a problem in that area. 01:29:34
What's ironic? 01:29:37
Is from the user interviews. 01:29:38
They pointed out these are the areas they struggle to talk in. 01:29:41
I kind of toggle back and forth here. 01:29:44
You see a lot of. 01:29:47
That TDI area. 01:29:48
In areas where they say they struggle to talk. 01:29:50
So the two kind of help match up. 01:29:54
From a technicals perspective. 01:29:57
The other thing that's important in your VHF So that's a band. 01:30:03
The public safety allocates. 01:30:08
To as part of the FCC. 01:30:10
It's approximately 150 megahertz to 174 megahertz. 01:30:14
In the case of what they call Part 90 for public safety. 01:30:19
There's a lot of things in the VHF band that can generate noise. 01:30:23
A dirty transformer from a substation. The substation can generate noise. 01:30:27
And we're able to measure noise in those cases and so? 01:30:33
I I put a couple examples here for the audience. 01:30:37
This is Fox Lake. We're quite frankly from the area we were in. We expected a high noise floor. 01:30:40
What we found, a lot of activity here, you see a lot of people talking. That's all those different lines going up. Those are 01:30:47
carriers. Those are somebody talking on a radio system in the in the VHF band. 01:30:52
The noise floor is about -130. 01:30:57
That's pretty good for VHF. 01:31:00
In the technical world, we wish they could all be that. 01:31:02
What was interesting man, we went to Reeseville site. 01:31:05
Which is a rural site. 01:31:08
And we looked at the noise floor and it's sitting at neg 90. 01:31:10
That's huge. 01:31:14
For affordable to overcome and talk above that noise floor and talk into a radio site. 01:31:15
That becomes a challenge. 01:31:21
And you don't see a lot of carriers here talking. 01:31:23
It's just strictly noise floor. 01:31:25
One of the complaints from Watertown Fire. 01:31:28
Was they get just South of Dodge County and they cannot hear their pagers or they cannot get paged. 01:31:31
We went down there, we were seeing that same noise floor about next 75 in certain instances. 01:31:37
So. 01:31:43
Very high from. 01:31:44
A VHF perspective. 01:31:46
It has to be taken in consideration. 01:31:49
In how the system is designed or what the future. 01:31:52
Radio Band. 01:31:55
Interoperability challenges. 01:31:59
So you've got. 01:32:01
For VHF counties. 01:32:03
To the West and South. 01:32:06
You've got 3800 Meg counties to the north and to the east. 01:32:08
And you're on VHF in the middle. 01:32:12
The other one that's important is these are all VHF conventional with the exception of Dane County. It's VHF trumped. 01:32:15
So that adds another. 01:32:22
Technology perspective that has to be considered. 01:32:23
If you're going to interoperate with the surrounding counties in these frequency bands. 01:32:27
The state is currently BHF trunk. 01:32:33
They're moving to 7800. 01:32:35
With their wisdom to plan. 01:32:38
So from the needs assessment, we create a conceptual solutions. 01:32:45
We looked at. 01:32:50
Strictly just A5 site, 7 channel, VHF conventional. 01:32:51
Which is half the site you got today. 01:32:56
We looked at 9 sites, 6 channel. 01:32:59
P25 in the 7800 band. 01:33:01
And we consider really three options. With that, you could own it and maintain it all. 01:33:04
Or you can partner with Wiscom. Or you can partner with. 01:33:09
Whispin Wisdom is a Harris system that's being installed through state. 01:33:12
Whispin is a Motorola solution. 01:33:19
That's being offered as well. That would interface to wiscom. 01:33:22
And then we looked at a standalone system. 01:33:26
So those were the four options that we considered in this. 01:33:31
You know, I wanted to talk just a little bit more. What's P25 simulcast? P25 is a project standard that was developed by. 01:33:36
The FCC. 01:33:44
After 911, when it was found out a lot of people couldn't talk, the government set that standard and finally set that standard. 01:33:47
And, umm. 01:33:54
There's where grants are available to support that. 01:33:55
From the federal side. 01:33:58
And what P25 does is allow more competition from the vendors. 01:34:00
Which is better for the taxpayers and and cost when you're looking at replacing a system or maintaining it? 01:34:04
Simulcast again is would be all sites broadcasting at the same time on a specific frequency. 01:34:14
But if that's engineered correctly. 01:34:20
And that's done correctly. 01:34:23
It does not create the problems that you see. 01:34:24
Or that I demonstrated. 01:34:27
Needed coverage, you know. 01:34:33
Every officer or firefighter today carries a portable radio. 01:34:35
We have to anticipate that they're carrying it on the hip. 01:34:40
You know what's that mean if I talk at this level is a different design and that when that portable is carried on that public 01:34:44
safety officials hip. 01:34:47
And so those things have to go into consideration in the design. 01:34:51
But of course we know police and fire go into buildings as well, so those have to be taken into consideration. 01:34:55
Single story wood frame house is about 6 DB. 01:35:02
What's that mean to you if I reduce 100 Watt light bulb? 01:35:05
To six DB I've taken it down to 25 Watt light bulb. I've dimmed it that much just by walking into that building. 01:35:09
So those considerations have to be given. 01:35:16
And then TUSA is recommending coverage especially in the municipal areas where you have. 01:35:21
High population or any urban density or warehouses AT20DB. 01:35:26
What's a 20 DB building? 01:35:31
It's a jail, it's a Walmart, it's a school. 01:35:33
One of the things that we asked for in the user surveys was critical buildings as well. 01:35:37
The other thing we look at? 01:35:43
Is we design it for a short antenna? 01:35:44
Police officers carrying that on his. 01:35:47
On his vest here or carrying it on his hip. Doesn't want to stick him in the shoulder. Doesn't want it tickling his ear. 01:35:49
So we'd make sure that the radio systems designed. 01:35:55
For worst case scenarios, which is a short antenna. 01:35:59
One of the things we looked at on your VHF system as part of the. 01:36:04
Requirements that were asked for by your public safety group. 01:36:08
Was. 01:36:12
Is the current system. 01:36:14
I'm gonna say optimized. 01:36:15
And when we looked at that. 01:36:17
I can sit here technically and reduce that system to five sites. 01:36:19
On a transmit level. 01:36:23
I would still keep the other four sites for receive and affordable. 01:36:25
But I can sit here and almost. 01:36:29
Gain the same amount of coverage that you saw before. 01:36:31
With five sites transmitting. 01:36:34
Not 9 sites. 01:36:36
So one of the things that we looked at was is there? 01:36:38
Things that you can readily do today to improve your radio system. 01:36:42
While you're working on the replacement for your radio system and this is one of the things that we will recommend. 01:36:46
Here's if you remember that old TDI map, it was all purple. 01:36:53
If it's been designed correctly and timed correctly. 01:36:57
There's the TDI or the self interference from the five sites versus what you saw earlier from the 10 sites. 01:37:00
So we believe you can talk just as well on that. 01:37:08
But but you still need to look at replacing your radio system long term. 01:37:14
The other thing we look at is ring microwave. 01:37:20
Umm, we look at the sites, they were in a star configuration. We look at making a ring. 01:37:24
So it adds a level of and redundancy to your radio system. 01:37:29
This is the five site. We also provided a ring for the 9 sites. 01:37:34
When we look at the 7-8 hundred band, which has been designated primarily for public safety and it's been coordinated for public 01:37:42
safety. 01:37:46
It was going to take 9 sites. 01:37:50
Most of those are your current sites, so you have towers and shelters that can support that. 01:37:53
We did look at adding two new sites in the North Central portion. 01:37:57
And the South Central portion? 01:38:02
To at least achieve. 01:38:04
Pretty well 10 DB across the county. 01:38:06
That's the ring configuration then for those sites. 01:38:12
One of the things that Tusa is kind of proud of, and most people can recall this. 01:38:17
When we look at our specs for public safety. 01:38:22
When the hurricane came through, Katrina came through in 2005. 01:38:26
Our specifications made a radio system that didn't go off the air during that time frame. 01:38:31
That's important because when that kind of disaster happens. 01:38:36
Public safety still has to be able to communicate. 01:38:39
And come out and do triage and and do the job they do for the citizens. 01:38:42
That same thought goes into. 01:38:46
Dodge County, Wisconsin. 01:38:48
I know you just had a tornado here in Juneau recently. You just had a train derailment. 01:38:50
Public safety's got to be able to communicate during those bad times. 01:38:55
So our specifications go into that. 01:38:58
For the sites, for the how the sites are connected, how the sites are powered. 01:39:01
Different things like that. 01:39:06
Here comes the part that I know that this group was waiting for SO. 01:39:11
When we look at a 5 site, 7 channel design to replace your system because it is becoming end of life components. 01:39:16
It was approximately 22 million. 01:39:24
You guys asked for a total cost of ownership, so that's. 01:39:26
Maintain it. 01:39:30
For an additional. 01:39:32
20 years. 01:39:33
That is estimated at about 9 million. So your total cost of ownership for that option over that 20 years is approximately 31.7 01:39:34
million. 01:39:38
When you look at that, that's the cheapest option. It's not an option that we recommend. 01:39:45
For all the reasons that we talked about with VHF. 01:39:50
We can mitigate some of that and make it a little bit better in the interim. 01:39:53
But I do not consider that a long term solution. 01:39:57
For your county. 01:40:00
The others are 9 sites, 6 channel 7800. 01:40:03
Phase 2. 01:40:06
P25. 01:40:08
So in the phase two world of P25 means for every channel I have, I can have two talk paths on it. I can have two conversations 01:40:09
going on at the same time. 01:40:13
Technology of the radio system. 01:40:18
If you own that. 01:40:21
And to build it out, it's approximately 35 million. 01:40:23
That's what the replacement of all your subscribers as well mobile's and portables in the county. 01:40:26
And total cost of ownership is near 50 million. 01:40:32
Where that's important. 01:40:35
Is you're having, if you own it and it's standalone, you're having to take care of it on your own. 01:40:37
We looked at two other options as well, which is joining the state of Wisconsin on Wisconsin 2. 01:40:43
Or joining. 01:40:49
Which ties into Wizcom 2. 01:40:51
As you see the build out is about the same. 01:40:54
The savings is you don't have to buy a core. 01:40:57
Which is the main controller of the radio system. 01:40:59
And you don't have to maintain a core because that's being maintained by somebody else you share. 01:41:02
You share in that core. 01:41:08
So you see a little bit of cost savings. 01:41:09
Couple $1,000,000 That's a lot. 01:41:12
And you see a couple $1,000,000 and in some cases $5,000,000 on the long term total cost of ownership. 01:41:14
Because you're not having to sit and maintain a core. 01:41:21
Which typically will run. 01:41:24
400 grand a year if you have to do that yourself. 01:41:26
So really, the next steps. 01:41:34
We were. 01:41:36
Asked to put together a proposal to obtain quotes for preventative maintenance on your current system. 01:41:37
If you think about replacing the system. 01:41:43
It's probably be about a six month to a year process to do that. 01:41:46
Under competitive procurement. 01:41:50
And then it's probably about a two year build out to do that. 01:41:52
So your current system has to stay in place and maintain its integrity for public safety for probably two to three years. 01:41:55
So it does need preventative maintenance. 01:42:03
The subscribers need preventative maintenance. 01:42:05
And there's some other deferred maintenance items that should be considered in that as well. 01:42:08
Umm, the next steps is approve and select a conceptual solution. 01:42:13
Out of one of those 4. 01:42:18
We recommend that you at least if you go out to competitive RFP, you do it as a stand alone because that lets you compare vendor 01:42:21
to vendor, apples to apples. 01:42:25
And then according to the. 01:42:30
Winner of that process. Competitive process. 01:42:32
Then you they have options. 01:42:35
So the Wiz com is a Harris option? 01:42:37
The Wispin is a Motorola option. They can both bid stand alone. 01:42:39
Kenwood could build bit a standalone, take a bit of standalone. There's four primary vendors out there. 01:42:43
That can do this work today in public safety. 01:42:50
Create a request for proposal. 01:42:54
Where that's important is Wiz COM 2 is offering state grant opportunities. 01:42:56
So by knowing a competitive price for a new radio system. 01:43:01
That is a strong message into Wisconsin that could potentially help you. 01:43:06
Pay for some of this. 01:43:10
My understanding of it. 01:43:12
Is they'll pay up to $10 million, which is 20. They'll pay up to. 01:43:14
25% not to exceed $10 million. 01:43:18
So you could have a $40 million radio system that they're looking. 01:43:21
To spend roughly 10 million on. 01:43:24
That's a grant process. It would have to be done and justified. 01:43:26
But umm. 01:43:30
If you move towards the 7800. 01:43:31
Which the state's doing with Whispin as well as Wisconsin 2. 01:43:34
I think you got a strong message for grant dollars that would help fund. 01:43:38
Specifically, subscribers. 01:43:42
For your public safety members of Dodge County. 01:43:45
And that concludes. 01:43:50
My presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions. 01:43:52
The. 01:43:56
So paging in my mind paging should be maintained. 01:44:03
It's an opportunity to keep some of your existing equipment in place. 01:44:07
Improve upon that simulcast noise issue, but maintain your VHF pagers. 01:44:11
OK, that in essence and means we're maintaining 2 systems if we switch. 01:44:17
It would still be considered in my mind all on the same network. 01:44:24
So I would have VHF. 01:44:27
Components for paging in the same sites that I've got 7-8 hundred. 01:44:29
And in some cases, if it's done right, I'm going to have nine sites for 7-8 hundred. 01:44:33
Five of those sites would have a BHF paging repeater in them to do the paging for that purpose. 01:44:38
Donna. 01:44:50
Catches my attention definitely if we can get some dollars to help because it's not going to be an inexpensive. 01:44:56
Process no matter what we go. 01:45:02
We do have. 01:45:06
People internally who would be involved with that because of their expertise. 01:45:07
However. 01:45:12
Would we have assistance from you, your staff? 01:45:13
For some other intricate. 01:45:17
Information that we might need. 01:45:19
That would assist in writing those grants or a grant. 01:45:21
Absolutely. Yes, ma'am. 01:45:25
Jody just tried to call in. Want to see if we got it working now. 01:45:29
OK. 01:45:33
Yeah, we got. Go ahead. 01:45:44
What is the purpose of a microwave? What is the microwave? 01:45:48
Microwave is, I'm gonna call it, your telephone lines in the air. 01:45:51
So it's it's your connectivity between the sites that allow the sites to talk to each other. 01:45:55
In the public safety world, fiber is available, but nobody digs up a microwave shot that's in on a top of a tower. They do dig up 01:46:02
fiber, or if trees fall during storms, many times fibers running above ground. 01:46:08
And is creates an outage. 01:46:15
So we do that to create connectivity between the radio sites so they can all talk to each other. 01:46:18
With that added that. 01:46:24
Again, we're not going to dig it up. 01:46:27
Like fiber or telephone lines? 01:46:29
Go ahead, Jeff. 01:46:33
How will this affect the small volunteer departments? If we change to a system like this, what would be the impact on them? 01:46:37
Primarily I see subscriber costs. 01:46:44
And I think that's where the grant has value to help them, especially the small communities out with the with the subscriber side 01:46:47
of this, they would be looking at replacing their. 01:46:52
Portables and mobile radio. 01:46:56
So would be the cost to them would be replacing all of their. 01:46:58
All of their radio equipment, basically. That's worst case. Yes, Sir. 01:47:02
What would that cost? 01:47:08
A small local department Any any guesstimate? 01:47:09
It's it's detailed in the report by department to show that cost to you guys. 01:47:15
I think subscriber costs what we were looking at and this was around 15,000,000 for all of Dodge County. 01:47:22
That was everybody. 01:47:28
So if you were to guess, what's the up cost? 01:47:38
To go to the ring versus. 01:47:42
The star configuration. 01:47:44
It's probably about the same because you're really still establishing the same number of links, I'm just doing it in a different 01:47:47
configuration to give me that reduction hardware required. 01:47:51
Maybe just. 01:47:56
It's it's a reconfiguration of what you currently have, maybe some expansion according to the number of sites. 01:47:58
And then? 01:48:04
Maybe if somebody could explain why Fox Lake correctional? 01:48:06
Has so many subscriber modules and. 01:48:10
I mean the cost. 01:48:13
Proposals like. 01:48:15
Over $1,000,000. 01:48:16
We've taken the numbers that they provided us on their subscribers and they're part of our one. 01:48:19
154 system, I mean our VHF system now. 01:48:24
I'm not trying to understand what you're asking, Sir. 01:48:28
They're using our VHF system now. 01:48:32
For all the radios. 01:48:34
I believe so. 01:48:36
I can't say that 100%. 01:48:38
I I try to understand why Fox Lake is built into this. Fox Lake Correctional is built into this. So, so we reached out to all the 01:48:41
county agencies that we knew we need to interoperate with. 01:48:46
And they were on our list, so they provided us quality information on the type of units that they have. 01:48:52
Right now they are on the state Wisconsin. I believe they're connected to them by. 01:48:57
By virtue of a trunk system. 01:49:03
They're working on 7-8 hundred for their everyday operations. 01:49:05
They do have an interface into our county wide system. 01:49:09
Through some interfaces. 01:49:13
But allowing them some better interoperability and our ability to interoperate with them when responding into the institution was 01:49:15
something that we wanted to take into account. 01:49:19
So, so it's something that when we're purchasing units for them, it would be negotiator. 01:49:24
Discussion with them on Do you need? 01:49:29
$1,000,000 worth of radios. Can we provide that or not? 01:49:32
You know, we want the interoperability though, and that's where we lack within the prison systems. And so Fox Lake with the rest. 01:49:36
So Fox Lake. 01:49:42
Responded but. 01:49:43
WCI, DCI and Burke. 01:49:45
Did not. 01:49:47
But the potential exists that they may come in later and request. 01:49:49
Interoperability. 01:49:54
Yes, possibly. OK. How many other departments didn't reply? 01:49:57
We had pretty good turn out. 01:50:01
We can look at the numbers, but the ones that we didn't get some from, we were knocking on doors a couple of times to make sure 01:50:03
that we received them OK. And all the DPW's, I mean, then that's. 01:50:08
Yep, they were also included. 01:50:13
OK. 01:50:16
Anyone else? 01:50:19
Just on behalf of the Radio Communications Committee. 01:50:25
I just just as if those on the Executive committee recall, when Joe and I requested the formation that committee, it was because 01:50:28
we were looking at three additional towers in our county. 01:50:33
At a cost of about $3,000,000 to do that. And I just wanted to let everybody know that the reason we asked for this committee is 01:50:38
to make sure that we didn't spend that $3,000,000 on towers. 01:50:43
And then find out we shouldn't have done that. 01:50:47
And I think the report here shows. 01:50:50
We shouldn't have done that. So I'm very glad that we we went this route, I think in the long run. 01:50:52
It is money well spent on Dean to get us to where we are, to give us good recommendations so we don't spend money, but we 01:50:57
shouldn't be spending. 01:51:00
And then also on behalf of the committee. 01:51:03
We are going to be meeting here at the beginning of September. We have a meeting coming up to discuss our next steps. 01:51:06
Between now and then. 01:51:12
I would appreciate any feedback. 01:51:15
From any of you regarding what your thoughts are, it would be very valuable. 01:51:18
If you would send that to either the Chair, Supervisor, Conway, myself, the Vice Chair, or Joe. 01:51:23
The the secretary and get that to one of us. We will then bring your feedback to the entire committee so that everybody has an 01:51:29
understanding of. 01:51:33
Really what the county board is looking at at this point, and we don't do things that you're just going to say no to in the long 01:51:37
run. We're looking for some feedback. 01:51:40
Go ahead. 01:51:46
Difficult, I believe, to read the report because. 01:51:58
It's like we got to replace everything all at once. 01:52:02
$40 million or? 01:52:04
$33,000,000 to build it out. 01:52:06
But yet the councils we have have end of life 20-30 you mentioned and even the bases you know into life. 01:52:08
2034. 01:52:15
Can, but do we have to replace it all at one time because there's incompatibility? 01:52:16
Or. 01:52:22
What? And then, of course, I also noticed there's, you know, $6 million worth of buildings. 01:52:24
Inside of the proposal. 01:52:30
Which? 01:52:32
I guess I didn't expect that. 01:52:35
Stuff I mean. 01:52:36
It's all that going to be necessary. 01:52:37
So. 01:52:40
The answer is yes and and really it depends. 01:52:41
To put in two new sites that we talked about to create that level of coverage throughout the county. 01:52:46
You've got to either got to rent towers or you've got to build your own. 01:52:51
The business case shows that if you buy them versus a. 01:52:56
Work on a. 01:53:01
American Tower SBA or Crown Castle leasing that real estate. 01:53:02
About an 8 year. 01:53:06
Business case that you can own it versus leasing it so it's it's. 01:53:09
The typical rent versus own model. 01:53:13
In those cases where you may have to build a new site, you've got to put in a generator and a shelter to hold that equipment. 01:53:16
Umm, I know you talked about we're looking at replacing the technology at your current sites and then adding those new sites. 01:53:25
So you do have good infrastructure in place in your towers and your shelters that can be reused. 01:53:32
We didn't throw those out. We were just looking at. 01:53:39
Where you needed potentially new sites. 01:53:41
And a good one is the site you're in at Beaver Dam. 01:53:44
That site's not going to hold a new radio system. You really need to get out of there and that, you know, that was considered as a 01:53:48
new tower and a building I think in your example and then the other two sites. 01:53:54
So you're not looking at replacing everything. 01:54:00
You are looking at replacing your technology. You can reuse some of your technology for fire paging. 01:54:03
Umm, I think according if you. 01:54:10
If you had to reuse your umm. 01:54:13
Consoles. It would be a sole source purchase at that point. It would not be a competitive purchase. 01:54:15
So I think. 01:54:21
If you look at what it would cost to replace it later. 01:54:22
Versus now under competitive environment, I would recommend you replace it now under that competitive environment. 01:54:26
OK. Thank you. 01:54:33
Anyone else? 01:54:35
OK. Thank you, Dean. Thank you. 01:54:38
All right, resolutions on file. 01:54:44
Resolutions on file. 01:55:00
Resolution 2523. Commendation of Christine Churchill. 01:55:02
To the Honorable Board of Supervisors of Dodge County, Wisconsin. 01:55:10
WHEREAS, Christine Churchill has contributed 20 years of dedicated service to Dodge County. 01:55:14
And the citizens of Dodge County and. 01:55:19
Whereas, Dodge County and its citizens have benefited from the services she has provided. 01:55:21
And whereas Christine Churchill has chosen to resign from her position. 01:55:27
Of 911 communications Lieutenant at the Sheriff's Office. 01:55:31
And now therefore. 01:55:35
Be it resolved that we. 01:55:37
The Dodge County Board of Supervisors pause in its deliberations to recognize and commend Christine Churchill. 01:55:39
For her 20 years of meritorious service. 01:55:44
And be it further resolved, that on behalf of the citizens of Dodge County. 01:55:47
This board does herewith extend to her appreciation for her many accomplishments and successes. 01:55:51
Over the 20 years of service. 01:55:57
And. 01:55:59
Be it finally resolved. 01:56:00
That a copy of this resolution be entered into the official records of the Dodge County Board of Supervisors. 01:56:02
And that a copy of this resolution be forwarded to Christine Churchill as a token of appreciation on a part of this board. 01:56:08
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 01:56:14
Signed by five members of the Human Resources Committee. 01:56:19
Please rise, if you are able, for a standing vote of acceptance. 01:56:22
Thank you. 01:56:33
Resolution 25. 01:56:46
24. 01:56:48
Alter the boundaries of Dodge County Supervisory district #2 and 31 due to annexation. 01:56:50
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 01:56:59
Signed by six members of the Executive Committee. 01:57:06
Fiscal note, there is no fiscal impact. 01:57:09
Finance Committee Review date August 11th, 2025 initialed by Finance Committee chair. 01:57:14
I have a motion by Supervisor Klobuchar and second by Supervisor Belk. 01:57:20
Any discussion on this resolution? 01:57:25
Any discussion? 01:57:30
If you agree with the recommendation, please vote yes. If you do not, vote no. 01:57:33
OK, a few of them are. 01:58:19
Starting to go. 01:58:20
We're gonna have. 01:58:50
Get back. Take away your motion in your second. That's fine. 01:58:52
OK, no, put it back in to discuss. 01:59:35
OK, for this, for the sake of moving forward, I'm going to ask for a voice. 01:59:48
Vote on this one. 01:59:52
Yeah, I think I can. 01:59:56
OK. 02:00:00
OK, if you didn't motion or second, please do not touch your piano. 02:00:07
Please. 02:00:12
That is not helping. 02:00:14
Yeah. 02:00:19
OK, now try the phone. 02:00:24
Yeah, if you want. 02:00:49
It's not no, I just. 02:00:54
Does anyone have a problem with doing a voice vote on the next couple of? 02:01:16
OK. All right. 02:01:26
Great. 02:01:34
All right, we have the motion on the floor. 02:01:36
For 2524, altering the boundaries of the supervisor districts. 02:01:39
If you agree with the recommendation. 02:01:44
Please say aye. 02:01:46
Aye, opposed. 02:01:48
That is carried. 02:01:50
Resolution 2526. 02:01:58
Ratified the delegation of authority to enter into settlement agreements with opioid defendants. 02:02:01
Hold on, hold on. 02:02:16
Yeah, we just did 2524. OK, I apologize, 2525. 02:02:19
Alter the boundaries of Dodge County Supervisor district #5 and #29 due to annexation from the town of. 02:02:25
Beaver Dam to City of Beaver Dam. 02:02:33
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 02:02:35
Signed by. 02:02:41
Six members of the executive committee. 02:02:44
Finance Committee review date There is no fiscal effect. 02:02:47
Reviewed August 11, 2025. 02:02:52
OK. 02:02:57
Have a motion by supervisor Kane, second by supervisor. 02:02:59
Any discussion? 02:03:04
Hearing none, if you agree, please say aye. 02:03:07
Aye, aye. 02:03:12
Opposed. 02:03:13
That is good. 02:03:14
OK. 02:03:22
Move on to it. 02:03:37
2526, Yep. 02:04:02
OK. 02:04:04
So, Bill? 02:04:18
No, OK, you gotta read this one. 02:04:20
Sorry, OK. 02:04:23
Ratifying the delegation of authority to enter into cell settlement agreements with opioid abundance. 02:04:25
To designate Dodge County To designate a Dodge County officials. 02:04:33
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 02:04:40
Signed by six members of the Executive Committee. 02:04:46
Fiscal note, there is no fiscal impact. 02:04:49
Finance Committee review date August 11, 2025. 02:04:52
Have a motion by supervisor My Nell, second by supervisor Beale. 02:04:59
Any questions? 02:05:03
On this one. 02:05:05
OK, we're going to do a roll of cough. 02:05:07
You think you can go? 02:05:11
Let's try that. 02:05:13
Everybody else can. Yeah, we have. 02:05:21
The ones who aren't in our supervisor prison. 02:05:24
Supervisor Keel. 02:05:27
To Bajaj Kane. 02:05:29
And we need to ask Sue Fraser. 02:05:31
OK. 02:06:15
Jeff, yours is not in yet. 02:06:19
Supervisor Conway. 02:06:28
Yes. 02:06:31
All having voted, it passes 26 to 0. 02:06:33
Resolution. 02:06:39
2527. 02:06:40
Resolution. 02:06:44
Denying an amendment to the official zoning map. 02:06:46
For the town of Asher pin adopted with land use code. 02:06:49
Dodge County. 02:06:53
To rezone certain lands in section 16, Town 9/9. 02:06:54
Range 17 E to town of Ashopen Kettle Forge Golf. 02:07:00
Comma LLC rezoning request. 02:07:05
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th day of August, 2025. 02:07:08
Signed by three members of the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:07:14
And there is no fiscal. 02:07:19
I have a motion by Supervisor Klobuchar and a second by supervisor. 02:07:21
Discussion and this. 02:07:26
Resolution. 02:07:28
Let me turn your mic on. 02:07:37
Go ahead. 02:07:40
Sure. 02:07:43
If you vote yes, you are voting to deny. 02:07:44
You're agreeing with the committee. 02:07:49
To deny. 02:07:51
The zoning. 02:07:52
So if you if you. 02:07:55
Do not agree. 02:07:56
With the committee's recommended rezone. 02:07:58
You vote no. 02:08:01
The committee is recommending. 02:08:05
To vote no that to deny it. 02:08:09
So if you vote yes, you're voting to deny. 02:08:11
And if you vote no, you're you're voting. 02:08:15
To the opposite of what the resolution is. 02:08:18
SO discussion. 02:08:23
Supervisor Gutenberg. 02:08:28
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:08:30
Just a little housekeeping. 02:08:32
So I'm going to make a motion to remove lines one through 5. 02:08:34
On the second part of this resolution, because quite honestly, that stuff. 02:08:38
Did not take place. 02:08:41
The Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:08:43
Meeting upon which this. 02:08:46
Our topic was discussed and acted upon. 02:08:49
I attended that. 02:08:52
First hand I know that. 02:08:53
Mr. Burnett here made a motion. It was seconded by. 02:08:56
Miss bubbles and. 02:09:00
Vote was taken 2:00 to 3:00. 02:09:02
To not. 02:09:04
Go forward with the recommendation. There was no follow up. 02:09:07
Motion or anything to deny this so. 02:09:12
From from a logistics standpoint, this. 02:09:16
One through 5. 02:09:19
Doesn't. 02:09:21
Pertain. So that's a motion to remove 125. 02:09:23
Right for one through 5, page 2. 02:09:27
Oh. 02:09:30
So we have a motion to. 02:09:43
To remove the lanes one through 5. 02:09:45
On page 2. 02:09:47
Can. 02:09:57
And then? 02:10:06
I'm going to ask Corp council for. 02:10:25
Recommend what's the effect of that happen? 02:10:28
I'm gonna have to. 02:10:36
We haven't got your mic working. 02:10:38
And you just yell it out if we care. 02:10:41
OK. 02:10:51
OK, we have the motion to amend. 02:11:10
My supervisor Gucci Burger second by supervisor Molly to tape. 02:11:13
The lines. 02:11:17
One through 5 on page 2. Dave, is that what you're after? 02:11:29
One through 5, page 2. 02:11:32
Yeah, through nine, man. 02:11:33
OK. We have the motion to amend. Any discussion on the motion to amend? 02:11:37
Supervisor might know. 02:11:44
Yeah, I have a question. Is the Land, Resources and Parks committee confused about what they voted on last time? 02:11:47
I don't know if somebody want to speak from the committee. 02:11:56
The the answer to that simple answer to that is they voted. 02:11:59
Who denied? 02:12:03
And they did not turn around. 02:12:05
Affirmative. Affirmatively to that correct and. 02:12:08
Yes, the Diana Resources and Parks Committee was not confused. We were very set on what we wanted. There was three against. 02:12:13
That and two. 02:12:21
For it. 02:12:23
And no directive was given to do anything to that. It was just very clearly understood that we were. 02:12:24
As a majority, not in favor of the rezone. 02:12:31
So if we want to get into semantics and and procedure and all that, it will all end up the same place. It's just a way to just 02:12:35
kind of I think cloud the issue that. 02:12:40
This was not acceptable to. 02:12:46
To the committee period. 02:12:48
At the majority of the committee. 02:12:52
Yeah, I. 02:12:56
But. 02:12:58
You know, I can't have mentioned before, I mean, I attended the meeting. 02:12:59
I've also run several meetings. 02:13:03
And when a motion fails. 02:13:05
You know there should be a request. 02:13:07
To come back. 02:13:09
And do the opposite direction. 02:13:11
OK, no official action was taken. 02:13:13
By the Land, Resources and Park Committee. 02:13:16
On this. 02:13:19
Resolution. 02:13:21
So to bring it forward and say that they have a negative. 02:13:22
Recommendation is wrong and that's why I have requested to remove these 5 lines. 02:13:26
What these 5 lines? 02:13:32
Did not take place at that meeting. 02:13:34
And I received an e-mail. 02:13:37
Last night. 02:13:39
Talks about it. I've received a letter from an attorney that talks about it. 02:13:40
So, uh. 02:13:45
Yeah, it may not impact the final product, but. 02:13:46
For history. 02:13:50
This impact. 02:13:52
Anyone else that wants to speak? 02:13:57
On the amendment. 02:14:01
Supervisor Breslau. 02:14:05
Thank. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So if we were to eliminate lines one. 02:14:07
Through 5. 02:14:12
One. What about 7 through 9 then? 02:14:14
Where it's saying that. 02:14:19
We have a recommendation. 02:14:21
To deny. 02:14:23
I don't see how we can have that recommendation to deny if there. 02:14:25
Was under a vote on it. 02:14:29
I would I would think we would want to go. 02:14:32
One through 9. 02:14:34
With the amendment. 02:14:39
Yep. So what you have before you, the county board has the final. 02:14:53
Determination and what you want to do with this petition for rezone. 02:14:57
With the Land, Resources and Parks committee did. 02:15:01
Was made a motion to approve and as you can see in the history in the whereas clauses. 02:15:04
That motion did not get. 02:15:09
A favorable vote, if you will. 02:15:13
It failed on a two to three vote. 02:15:15
So it was construed as a denial. 02:15:17
Because they didn't as supervisor. 02:15:19
Huckenberger mentioned didn't then turn around and make another motion. 02:15:21
So what came out of the committee was. 02:15:25
The only conclusion that could have been drawn was. 02:15:28
The committee Three of the members were not in favor of approval. 02:15:31
And why are we here before you today? 02:15:34
Is the county board's action to decide whether or not to rezone? 02:15:37
And out of the committee again, it was construed as a as a denial because 3 members. 02:15:41
Did not approve. 02:15:47
So before you today is a resolution. 02:15:48
They came back to the committee. 02:15:50
They signed off on a resolution. Three of them signed off on a resolution to deny. 02:15:52
That's what's before you today. 02:15:57
So, as the Chair mentioned before, and I'm going to repeat it again because I think this is very important for you to understand. 02:15:59
If you vote yes to this resolution. 02:16:05
You are essentially saying yes, I want to deny this rezone petition. 02:16:08
If you vote no. 02:16:13
To this. 02:16:14
Resolution. 02:16:16
Then a subsequent action will need to be taken in the affirmative. 02:16:17
All right. 02:16:21
So if you have a favorable or a majority vote. 02:16:24
Of yes. 02:16:27
What will happen is you are denying the rezone petition. 02:16:28
Is that clear? 02:16:32
And we before us right now, we have the motion to amend, yes. 02:16:35
Any any way? 02:16:41
Finance on the motion to amend. 02:16:42
The wording of the resignation. 02:16:45
If you agree with the amendment, the amendment. 02:16:49
To take the lines. 02:16:52
One through 5 out. 02:16:54
Please vote yes if you do not. 02:16:55
Please vote no. 02:16:58
Supervisor Conway. 02:17:11
On the amendment, yes. 02:17:15
Having voted, the amendment passes 17 to 9. 02:17:20
Now we're back to the original. 02:17:26
Resolution as amended. 02:17:29
Any other discussion? 02:17:34
On the original. 02:17:36
Resolution. 02:17:38
Yeah. 02:17:41
Supervisor Vanderzman. 02:17:44
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:17:51
One of the people that came up. 02:17:54
For the public comment had mentioned something about the statutes for the county and. 02:17:56
How? 02:18:03
This agricultural. 02:18:04
A115 acres would go against that statute. 02:18:06
I was wondering if maybe Kim could comment on that. 02:18:09
I can't comment on that. I would defer to land resources and park staff. They gave a staff report and recommendations. 02:18:15
They went through the statute, they went through the farmland preservation plan. 02:18:21
As well as the county comprehensive plan to determine. 02:18:25
Whether or not the petition for rezone. 02:18:27
Would fit with or. 02:18:30
All the criteria were matched and I think the conclusion of staff. 02:18:31
Again, this was not the conclusion of the committee. 02:18:35
But I think the conclusion of staff is that it did. 02:18:37
So I did not go 1 by 1 to analyze each of the criteria. That is really the job of staff and job of the committee to do that. 02:18:40
OK. 02:18:50
I know that it's only the 15 acres of the 270. 02:18:55
Umm, and I understand where they're coming from. 02:19:00
But uh. 02:19:03
We have passed some A1 reasonings in this county. 02:19:06
I mean the. 02:19:12
Power. 02:19:14
Data center was 830 acres. 02:19:15
Yeah, a good farmland. 02:19:18
I I just. 02:19:22
I don't I don't see them. 02:19:23
Where we can say no to this and we say yes to all that other stuff. 02:19:25
Belk. 02:19:31
All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:19:34
2 questions. 02:19:36
And is a Township. 02:19:38
They in favor of this. 02:19:40
Yes. 02:19:43
And the E2 words does it allows it for golf courses? 02:19:44
Was that the county zoning 8th or is that where it was from the Township? 02:19:49
Would be Tony right there? 02:19:55
County zoning. 02:19:57
Thank you. 02:19:59
2 pages. Steger. 02:20:01
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:20:02
What I read in my packet. 02:20:04
The staff recommendations. 02:20:06
All everything that was asked of. 02:20:08
They approved. They said we were in line with everything, with the. 02:20:11
Land park and resources as far as comprehensive plan. 02:20:16
And everything else, they didn't have nothing. 02:20:21
To say against it. 02:20:23
So. 02:20:25
And the other thing is. 02:20:27
Like supervisor. 02:20:29
Band as Andy. 02:20:31
There's 255 acres that are A2 right now. So even if we turn down. 02:20:33
This 15.1 acres. 02:20:38
And not change it from A1 to A2. 02:20:40
If they if they issue a condition. 02:20:44
Conditional use permit on that 255 acres they could still put a golf course in. 02:20:47
At 15 acres, ain't gonna make. 02:20:52
He you know, yes or no? 02:20:54
On a golf course. 02:20:57
Because that other 255 acres is zoned A2 already says nothing so. 02:20:58
Thank you. 02:21:04
This is the practice. 02:21:04
Fraser Ball. 02:21:05
So. 02:21:08
I never remember and I could be wrong. 02:21:08
But I never remember us having a vote on something that the committee has said no to. 02:21:11
OK. 02:21:19
Is this happened before? 02:21:21
Yeah, twice in the last 3 1/2, twice and a half, three, 3 1/2 years, OK. 02:21:23
Yeah, because I think that's really weird. 02:21:27
Another thing and I and I heard someone, I heard one of the. 02:21:29
People who spoke tonight in the public comment and I just heard a supervisor repeat it. 02:21:33
If we start. 02:21:38
Saying yes to everything. 02:21:39
With this rezoning, they were just going to say yes to everything and we're not going to stop. 02:21:42
And I just heard a supervisor say, well, we said yes to this, so how can we say how can we said yes before, so how can we not say 02:21:46
yes again? 02:21:49
And I think at some point we have to. 02:21:53
Like stop. 02:21:55
And stand up for the farmers of Dodge County. 02:21:56
I mean. 02:22:01
I will ask you to refrain from. 02:22:02
Clapping during the meeting. Thank you. 02:22:09
So. 02:22:12
I am not in favor of rezoning this if the golf course can, and I've heard this said. 02:22:13
Repeated over a few times. 02:22:18
If the golf course can proceed without this being rezone, why bother rezoning it? Why don't we just? 02:22:20
Hold the line on zoning and let the golf course proceed. 02:22:24
If it's going to proceed but. 02:22:27
Let's hold the line. 02:22:29
And stick to our comprehensive plan and protect the farmland. 02:22:30
Because that's. 02:22:34
This is Dodge County. 02:22:35
This isn't Waukesha, this isn't Delafield. This is Dodge County. 02:22:36
Supervisor now. 02:22:41
This would be kind of a more theoretical question. 02:22:43
But if Kettle Forge understood before they bought this land that there will be a zoning fight. 02:22:47
Over it, which from my understanding they knew about ahead of time that this would you would have to have this section rezone. 02:22:54
Or we just kind of purchasing all this land betting that the Dodge County Board would just kind of roll over on whatever rezoning. 02:23:01
Haven't asked me do need to. 02:23:06
My bad. Yes, of course. So if the golf course can go ahead no matter what. 02:23:11
Perhaps we look forward to one of the first golf courses in Wisconsin having some farmland incorporated into it. 02:23:15
Supervisor Guggenberger. 02:23:25
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So this is in my backyard, so. 02:23:26
I have lots to say, but I'd be happy to answer most questions. 02:23:30
Umm yeah, I I did met. 02:23:35
Sorry, I did meet with the developer as chairman of the planning committee. 02:23:38
They requested and of course I went over our. 02:23:42
Lane Division ordinance and our zoning code and I met with them. 02:23:45
At the. 02:23:49
With three county members. 02:23:50
Staff members at that meeting. 02:23:53
So. 02:23:56
Just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions. 02:23:57
This plan. 02:24:00
Does meet. 02:24:01
The comprehensive plan for the town of Ash Ben and the town of Ash have been comprehensive plan is a subset. 02:24:02
Of the county's comprehensive plan. 02:24:08
That section of land. 02:24:10
In the comprehensive plan map. 02:24:12
Is zoned. 02:24:13
Not zoned. I mean it's planned for egg AG egg. 02:24:14
In a golf course, is a conditional use with an. 02:24:19
So we have. 02:24:23
Under Dodge County zoning, 2 forms of. 02:24:25
A right, A1 and A2. 02:24:28
And of this, you know, the golf course. 02:24:30
Can be allowed to be built like you say in the 255 acres. 02:24:33
But the 15 acres would make a better end product. 02:24:37
That's why they're here asking for the 15 acres. 02:24:40
But I took the time. 02:24:45
You know, umm. 02:24:46
That's Mr. Freevalt asked. You know, did we ever vote? 02:24:47
You know, on these negative things. 02:24:49
And the answer is yes. 02:24:51
But I went through. 02:24:53
For the last. 02:24:55
3 1/2 years. 02:24:58
You know all of the A1 to A2 conversions. 02:25:00
And I'll just give you a summary. 02:25:03
But in 22 there were 18 of them. 02:25:05
At this table here. 02:25:08
All 18 of them passed. 02:25:10
I can tell you. 02:25:12
Briefly, the only one voting no on many of those was me. 02:25:14
OK. And then my voting record shows that? 02:25:18
Because as I see it. 02:25:22
If if something doesn't work in the town of Ash up and I shouldn't be up here approving something in Trenton or Chester. 02:25:25
Or somewhere else when it's down. 02:25:31
All right, so that's how I determine my vote. So 18 of them, yes, in 22. 02:25:33
None of them negative. 02:25:39
In 23 Again 18. 02:25:42
A1 to A2 conversions came here. 02:25:45
All 18 of them passed total of 133 acres. 02:25:47
Go to 24. 02:25:51
And there were 18. Again, interesting numbers. 02:25:53
17 passed and 1 failed. 02:25:56
Total of 111 acres. 02:25:59
Now I want to remind you the one that failed was. 02:26:01
An existing scrap yard. 02:26:03
That they wanted to convert. 02:26:05
To. 02:26:07
Unallowed use. 02:26:10
And you know, we all agreed that. 02:26:12
That would not be right. 02:26:14
Interesting because. 02:26:16
If you remember in 25. 02:26:18
About 3-4 months ago we did the same thing with another parcel. 02:26:20
In. 02:26:24
Tunnel, Mira. 02:26:26
But what I find interesting. 02:26:29
And in all of this, having attended the Land, Resources and Park Committee. 02:26:32
I watched as. 02:26:37
155 acre parcel. 02:26:39
Motored right through with. 02:26:41
You know they do. The findings of fact. 02:26:44
And they get to it and they say, does it meet this? Does it meet this? Does it meet this? And then you get down to the end and 02:26:47
then it's a yes or no to here. 02:26:50
OK. 02:26:54
155 acres, 35 acre parcel and then we get 15 acres in the town of Asherman. 02:26:55
And. 02:27:01
Because people are in the room, I feel as though they didn't really properly go through the findings of fact. 02:27:02
And that's where I sit with all of this right now. 02:27:08
OK. Did the committee do their job? 02:27:11
That's debatable. 02:27:15
They can defend their position. 02:27:16
OK, but I can tell you. 02:27:18
That the rezoning. 02:27:20
Fits the comprehensive plan. 02:27:23
And. 02:27:25
Yeah, you know, from a town perspective and then I will agree. 02:27:27
The planning committee met. I'm a chairman of the planning committee in the town of Asher and there was a three, three vote. 02:27:31
At that meeting. 02:27:36
So we were split. So no recommendation went from our planning committee to the town board when it got to the town board. 02:27:38
All four members agree with this. 02:27:44
I believe it's going to be a. 02:27:47
Good product. 02:27:48
Not just for the town of Asher, Penn, but for Dodge County, for the whole state. 02:27:49
These guys are. 02:27:54
A top notch. 02:27:57
Facility. 02:27:58
Something to be proud of. Whistling Straits comes to mind. Erin Hills comes to mind. 02:28:00
Kettle Forge will soon come to mind. 02:28:05
If they're allowed to build this thing. 02:28:07
The 15 acres is only necessary to complete the task. 02:28:10
Now I just want to show one more thing here before I end. 02:28:14
I know we all received this map in the mail. 02:28:18
And the 15 acres is this little cross hatch area. 02:28:20
Over here. 02:28:23
Town of Ashland does use. 02:28:25
Soils. 02:28:27
To determine. 02:28:28
Our zoning. 02:28:30
OK so as I always refer to them as clouds or blobs on the map. 02:28:31
So this is a section of a BLOB. 02:28:36
That actually. 02:28:38
Is much larger. 02:28:40
And I would encourage you to look at this map, because what you'll find just three houses. 02:28:41
Smack dab in the middle of that A1 zoning. 02:28:46
That we're trying to protect. 02:28:49
Of of the whole lab if you take the whole contiguous. 02:28:51
Cloud 3 houses. 02:28:55
It's easy to see him. They're right here on the map. 02:28:58
You can see two of them. The third one's a little to the east. 02:29:01
I don't know why we're fighting to keep this. 02:29:05
I personally. 02:29:07
I think it's going to be a good thing for the town, to be a good thing for the county. We're looking for economic development. 02:29:08
We would get employment. 02:29:13
Out of this. 02:29:16
More than one person has come to me. I know the pastor said that you know he'd be interested in in. 02:29:18
Cutting grass. 02:29:23
And others have said the same thing to me. 02:29:25
So. 02:29:28
To provide a segment. 02:29:31
All right. Thank you very much. 02:29:34
We are missing the big picture here. It's been. 02:29:37
Going on. 02:29:42
Going on, but we're talking about land use code, we're talking about farmland preservation. 02:29:43
We're talking about a comprehensive plan. 02:29:48
As you all hopefully saw and received, I pointed out 20 points in those two. 02:29:52
And that did not agree with what we were doing here. 02:29:58
Staff isn't always right. Just a few months ago we voted no as a board. 02:30:04
Not to approve something the staff said should be approved. 02:30:10
It happens, but that's what our responsibility is. 02:30:15
Land use code. 02:30:19
Papers. 02:30:20
Are there's no human element? 02:30:22
That's why we have a Board of Adjustment. 02:30:26
That's why we have the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:30:28
You can't just go and say. 02:30:31
Well, you rezoned A1 to 8 to 18 times the last three years. 02:30:33
Well, what was behind that rezoning you have to have? 02:30:38
Back and forth, the human element. 02:30:42
I go for rezoning A1 to A2 because someone wants to put a house. 02:30:45
Or not even put a house but wants to sell off a section of A1 land where a house and buildings already exist but they need to go 02:30:50
8/2. 02:30:54
Because of density requirements. 02:30:58
That's a duck. 02:31:01
But. 02:31:02
Land use code doesn't know that. 02:31:03
The land use code isn't aware that's what's going on here. 02:31:06
And so it takes the human element, and that's what we did that night. 02:31:10
It was the human element applied to this, you can't just say. 02:31:14
The land use code says this and that's it. 02:31:18
The land use code says. 02:31:21
Follow the comprehensive plan. 02:31:23
Follow the Farmland preservation plan. 02:31:25
And what's really unique about Ashvin in that town, they follow the soil types, and these soil types are blobs. 02:31:28
Some run into the woods. 02:31:35
Well, obviously you're not going to farm the woods. 02:31:37
So that's where you put up a house. 02:31:40
In a one's land. 02:31:43
The Farmland Preservation plan and comprehensive plan allows that. 02:31:44
That's why you need the human element. 02:31:48
Which is missing even. 02:31:51
Nothing against staff, but they're missing it too because. 02:31:52
All they can do is communicate to us what they find in those. 02:31:56
Papers. 02:32:00
Then that is given to us and we bring the human element into it. 02:32:01
Now. 02:32:07
We make the considerations. We listen. 02:32:08
Public hearings. 02:32:12
We uh. 02:32:13
Had one tonight based. Not quite tonight we had public. 02:32:14
Comment tonight, but we had a public hearing. 02:32:18
And in the. 02:32:21
Plan Commission handbook which? 02:32:22
Nobody looks at it. 02:32:24
Public comment. 02:32:26
Is said to identify what citizens value in the community. And that's what sometimes we have to remember. We are talking about 02:32:27
community people here and what they value in the community. They've been living there their whole life. They probably were living 02:32:32
there for generations. 02:32:37
And now? 02:32:42
Here we come and say it doesn't matter. 02:32:44
Because. 02:32:47
You you changed 18 there and you changed 18 here to change it, no. 02:32:48
We considered that and said yes. 02:32:53
That's allowable, that makes sense. It aligns with the plans. 02:32:55
But we have a problem here. This is a 1. 02:32:59
That yes, is in a BLOB, so it's not bordered by other A1 land. 02:33:02
That's the way. 02:33:08
It was created. 02:33:09
We shouldn't be like Esau. I want to. 02:33:11
Give up our. 02:33:15
Birthright for a pot of porridge. I mean, just because this is going to be good for money and this and that. 02:33:16
How much land are we going to continue to do this with? This is good farmland. It's not. 02:33:23
A1 land that has a business on it already. 02:33:28
That has to be converted to a 2 so they can expand the business. 02:33:31
It's not a one land that. 02:33:36
They want to put another house up. 02:33:38
Which the plans allow for, but the density is not right, so they have to convert to A2. 02:33:41
It's different. 02:33:48
This is different. Yes they have the 100 and some odd acres of a tool already, but. 02:33:48
Does that mean we can just kind of sacrifice this A1 land? 02:33:55
Just because. 02:33:59
I don't think that's wise. 02:34:00
The ones who live there. 02:34:02
Are the ones that we have to listen to too. We have heard from a lot of community members. 02:34:06
And we have heard a lot of yeses from. 02:34:12
People that. 02:34:15
Love the getting back to nature. 02:34:17
They want to take these A1 farm fields and put them back in grass and wildflowers and put sand in it and all that stuff. 02:34:19
Why did it get taken out of? 02:34:28
Natural. 02:34:31
And then you have. 02:34:31
Over half of it. 02:34:32
Hasn't been touched for. 02:34:34
Decades. 02:34:35
And they say that's not in its natural state. 02:34:37
It's there already. 02:34:39
But this A1 farmland? 02:34:41
They want to convert into. 02:34:45
Practice range. 02:34:49
This isn't about the golf course tonight. 02:34:51
This is about the main issue of Prata. 02:34:54
The issue of do we protect farmland in this county or not? 02:34:57
We sit here and pass the farm preservation plan. We passed a conference. 02:35:01
Comprehensive plan. We're doing that again now. 02:35:06
Are we going to follow it? 02:35:09
Or do we just do it just to do it because the state law says we have to and then? 02:35:10
Let things just fly. 02:35:15
When are we going to start taking a stand? 02:35:17
I'm not saying nowhere to golf course. 02:35:19
I'm saying no. 02:35:21
To getting rid of this A1 land. 02:35:23
Dash County, if you haven't read my e-mail, you should go in there and read it because those 20 points are strong and they're in 02:35:26
there. And if the staff can't see it, I'm sorry. 02:35:30
It's black and white. I'll tell you just I told you just where to go. 02:35:35
But. 02:35:39
This uh. 02:35:40
Needs to stop. 02:35:41
Yes, A1 can be converted A2. 02:35:42
But in certain conditions, that's the human element. 02:35:45
Ashopen values it. 02:35:50
But they're not being listened to. 02:35:52
I just urge you to. 02:35:55
Take a look again. 02:35:57
It's the best soils. 02:36:00
I was there. 02:36:02
That corn is amazing. 02:36:03
And the hay, if they'd be there, would be amazing. 02:36:05
Our cows can't be eating wildflowers. 02:36:08
It does not work that way. It was taken out of. 02:36:11
Natural condition to put in egg because it's supported. 02:36:15
Life. 02:36:19
It supported people. 02:36:20
But now. 02:36:22
What are we going to do when we start taking that away? 02:36:23
We have to be careful. 02:36:26
Umm. 02:36:28
That's why I voted. 02:36:32
Not to support this particular. 02:36:34
Rezone. 02:36:37
To. 02:36:38
We have to stop this. Yes, it's OK. 02:36:40
When conditions are right. 02:36:43
That's what we're there for. 02:36:44
But when it's. 02:36:46
Farmland. 02:36:47
We have to say, hmm. 02:36:49
Let's think about this. 02:36:51
And I say no, it shouldn't be done. 02:36:54
And I urge you to vote yes on this denial. 02:36:57
Of this petition. The Rezone. 02:37:02
Thank you. 02:37:04
Supervisor Belt. 02:37:06
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:37:09
You know, typically on these county boards where you get these reasons for townships, they're only townships only. 02:37:13
Cities. I'm the mayor of Mayville, mostly. Most of the people here know that. 02:37:18
But cities and villages, we don't have any of this resolve stuff that comes the county, it's only townships. 02:37:22
It's hard for me to. 02:37:27
Go against. 02:37:29
Board you mean? 02:37:31
You guys elected them, not me. 02:37:33
I mean, maybe it doesn't have a fight in this. 02:37:35
But it's hard for me as elected official to go against your town board. 02:37:37
And if you guys don't like your Tom board, get rid of them. 02:37:39
But umm. 02:37:42
For me to stand up here and say, hey, we're not going to. 02:37:43
I'm gonna go against the town board and what they want. 02:37:45
And we've heard a lot of. 02:37:48
Issues here with land preservation, right? 02:37:50
I come from a forming background I know about. 02:37:53
Farming and I know a lot about golf courses too because someone said about golf courses and chemicals will typically I'm not 02:37:56
worried about the chemicals because. 02:37:59
Chemicals are applied five days before it. 02:38:03
Snows typically because that way. 02:38:05
The only runoff into the river system like. 02:38:08
Mabel's got the Rock River. 02:38:11
That's another story. 02:38:13
So it's hard for me to go against the town board, that's what I'm saying. 02:38:15
Surprise of Breslow. 02:38:21
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:38:23
So we've heard tonight here the. 02:38:25
The golf course is coming. 02:38:27
Regardless. 02:38:28
We've heard. 02:38:31
How beneficial this will be to the town of Ashburn. 02:38:33
To have this property developed. 02:38:37
Now. 02:38:40
You're gonna have a golf course. 02:38:41
Do you want to stay to the art facility? 02:38:43
Or do you want to have? 02:38:46
Just a golf course. 02:38:48
You know, by allowing. 02:38:50
Kettle Forge to finish out this project. 02:38:52
You're gonna allow them to have. 02:38:56
An elite course. 02:38:58
The top 100. 02:39:00
In the nation. 02:39:02
I'm fully understand where everybody's coming from as far as preserving the land. 02:39:04
We we do have to do that. 02:39:10
We're talking about 15 acres here that's already owned. 02:39:12
By Kettle Forge. 02:39:16
So if they don't put their practice range there. 02:39:18
What's it going to do is sit in hell? 02:39:21
If it sits fallow. 02:39:24
What's it going to do? 02:39:26
Have weeds? 02:39:27
That are going to transfer onto neighboring properties more than likely. 02:39:29
I just. 02:39:35
I don't see not being able to let them continue to finish the project properly. 02:39:37
Thank you. 02:39:42
Supervisor may now. 02:39:44
Thank you, Mr. Chair. 02:39:46
I'd like to remind my fellow supervisors that very few of our constituents, if any. 02:39:47
Will even be remotely eligible to be members of this exclusive private club. 02:39:52
We represent. 02:39:58
Our citizens, and none of them are really going to benefit. 02:39:59
Whereas this A1 farmland, it seems to me, is the heritage of all of Dodge County citizens. 02:40:03
I think that we should. 02:40:12
Carefully consider how much of our A1 farmland is going to be up. 02:40:13
Or grabs to the highest bidder from the nearest large city. 02:40:17
Thank you. 02:40:20
Supervisor Converger. 02:40:23
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:40:25
Appreciate it. 02:40:27
So in my almost 40 years of living here in Dodge County I've I've seen egg land consumed for a windmills. 02:40:29
Windmills. 02:40:36
Solar panels. 02:40:38
Data centers Warehousing. 02:40:39
Distribution centers. 02:40:41
Very rarely do we see. 02:40:44
These environmental. 02:40:45
Developments. 02:40:49
Having pulled out a section of the farmland preservation document from the county. 02:40:52
I would. 02:40:58
Quickly note that there is a whole section in here for environmental preservation. 02:41:00
Specifically. 02:41:05
To do exactly what we're doing here with the golf course. 02:41:06
You know they are actually intending to take. 02:41:09
You know, acres of land and put it back. 02:41:12
Into pristine. 02:41:15
Preserve type. 02:41:17
Development. 02:41:21
Protecting the streams. Protecting the stream banks. 02:41:22
OK. 02:41:25
So much like has been indicated that, you know, we need to protect farmland, but. 02:41:26
By the same token, we also need to protect. 02:41:31
Environmental. 02:41:34
Areas. 02:41:35
I just wanna. 02:41:38
Say you know the night that this all took place. 02:41:40
You know, it was 155 acres. 02:41:43
Of egg land that's going to be used for off site storage tanks. 02:41:46
Or for storage tanks for off site dairy waste. 02:41:50
So during that same meeting I heard. 02:41:54
The committee say that this 15 acres is best suited. 02:41:58
For farming as opposed to. 02:42:02
A golf course. 02:42:05
But somehow or another 155 acres at the same night, the same meeting. 02:42:06
Was best suited. 02:42:11
For off site storage of dairy waste. 02:42:12
It just doesn't make sense to me. 02:42:17
But I'm going to say it. 02:42:20
You know, we heard 800 acres of of of farmland consumed for a data center. 02:42:21
155 acres for this off site storage base. 02:42:27
You know what? 02:42:31
My record speaks for itself. I'd be happy to put it up against anybody here, OK? 02:42:32
I hear the rhetoric. We need to start defending and start protecting farmland and and stuff like that. But. 02:42:38
The voting record should reflect the same thing. 02:42:44
And it has not in the. 02:42:47
Past it has not. 02:42:49
68. 02:42:51
68. 02:42:52
A1 to A2 conversions. 02:42:54
You know, and you have to think. 02:42:57
For yourselves, how many have you said no to? 02:42:59
I can tell you I've said no. 02:43:03
To almost 20 of them. 02:43:05
In the last 3 1/2 years. 02:43:07
So. 02:43:10
Thank you. 02:43:13
To provide a segment. 02:43:14
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:43:16
All I can say is if you give up all those hundreds of acres for data centers, whoever did that, shame on you. 02:43:19
But that was a one by Persil. 02:43:26
This is a 1 by soil type. 02:43:29
That's different. 02:43:32
155 acres for storage tanks? I can guarantee you there's not going to be 155 acres full of storage tanks. 02:43:34
Just putting up one or two more. 02:43:41
But he's using the whole plot for his business. 02:43:44
And farming it at the same time you can still farm A2 land. 02:43:47
But he's not going to be destroying it all. He's not going to be taking it out of agricultural production. 02:43:51
As we are doing here. 02:43:57
And that's fine if they want to, but. 02:43:58
We have to protect the farmland and this golf course should not be compared to Aaron or. 02:44:01
Or deer track. Or deer run. 02:44:07
That's apples and oranges. 02:44:09
Private versus public. You think that the private club is going to be used by our Dodge County citizens? 02:44:11
Only if you mortgage your house. 02:44:18
And then maybe you can be there a year or two. 02:44:20
This is different. 02:44:23
And we're just letting it go. 02:44:25
And as I said before. 02:44:29
Every situation is different. You can't just say. 02:44:31
You rezoned. 02:44:35
A1 to A2. 02:44:38
This many times. 02:44:40
Why? 02:44:42
Why the human element? And the human element here says? 02:44:43
No this time. 02:44:47
This isn't right. 02:44:48
Sure, it's 15 acres. 02:44:50
And it's only 15 acres. 02:44:52
That's a lot of land. 02:44:55
And it should not be taken out of a thank you. 02:44:58
One last shot here. Supervisor, President. 02:45:02
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:45:05
Twice now I've heard. 02:45:07
Class and we try to be involved here. 02:45:09
Because of this being a. 02:45:12
Private. 02:45:14
Golf course is going to be built. 02:45:15
You know, we need to remember that the property that. 02:45:18
This is being built on. 02:45:21
Is still taxable. 02:45:23
And. 02:45:25
The town. 02:45:26
Of Ashton and. 02:45:28
County of Dodge. 02:45:30
Stand to gain a pretty fair amount of tax dollars. 02:45:32
From this development. 02:45:35
Thank you. 02:45:37
Supervisor has not spoken so I'm going to let him speak. 02:45:41
Thank you. 02:45:46
I'm on the committee. 02:45:48
The staff. 02:45:50
Recommended that we could resign it. 02:45:53
Conclusions of law. 02:45:56
Said that we can rezone it. 02:45:58
My colleague, Mr. Sigmund. 02:46:02
Talking about the human element. 02:46:05
Well, he talked about the staff making a mistake. That's a human element, right? 02:46:07
They made a mistake. 02:46:13
I don't think I made a mistake by voting to approve this. 02:46:15
Thank you. 02:46:20
OK, we're getting ready to vote. 02:46:23
If you vote yes. 02:46:26
You're agreeing to. 02:46:27
Deny. 02:46:30
If you do not. 02:46:32
Agreed to deny you. 02:46:33
You vote no. 02:46:35
Everyone understand? Any questions? 02:46:37
OK, please vote. 02:46:41
Supervisor Conway. 02:46:51
No. 02:46:57
All having voted, it fails 12 to 14. 02:47:00
Since we. 02:47:05
Have that. 02:47:08
We need to do a follow up. 02:47:09
I will ask. 02:47:12
Or council. 02:47:13
I'm going to read to the board what the county code says with regard to. 02:47:17
What just happened? So the county board. 02:47:21
May refuse to deny the petition. 02:47:24
As submitted by the committee. 02:47:27
In which case it shall refer the petition. 02:47:30
And. 02:47:33
The resolution. 02:47:34
To deny the amendment back to the committee. 02:47:35
Back to the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:47:38
With directions to draft. 02:47:40
An ordinance to effectuate the approval of the petition. 02:47:42
And to report the ordinance back to the county Board of Supervisors. 02:47:46
Which means then enact or reject the ordinance based on the criteria. 02:47:50
So what would be in order at this time is a motion to approve. 02:47:54
The rezone petition. 02:47:57
With those instructions to direct it back to. 02:48:00
The Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:48:03
To draft an ordinance. 02:48:05
And bring that ordinance back to the county board. 02:48:08
And if somebody does make that motion, I'd be happy to assist with the language that would be required in that motion. 02:48:11
Do we have a motion? 02:48:23
I have a motion by Supervisor Belk. 02:48:27
So this. 02:48:50
If I may. 02:48:51
Supervisor Belk. 02:48:52
State the motion. 02:48:54
A motion to approve the rezone petition. 02:48:55
As presented. 02:48:59
And refer that matter back to the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:49:01
With specific direction to the committee. 02:49:06
To draft an ordinance. 02:49:08
To effectuate the approval of the petition. 02:49:10
And report that ordinance back to the county board. 02:49:13
And then the county board would take action on it at that time. 02:49:16
So this requires a. 02:49:19
I'll stop there. That is the language for the motion. 02:49:22
Essentially. 02:49:25
When you rezone, you are amending your ordinance. 02:49:26
You're amending your maps. 02:49:29
So that's what that ordinance does, is an amendment to the map. 02:49:31
And that's why the code says what it says. 02:49:35
So you need to take up a motion to approve with those specific directions as per the county code. 02:49:38
Is that a fair representation of your motion, Supervisor Belk? Yes, that's my motion as a corporate council this past as stated. 02:49:44
Second by Supervisor Burnett. 02:49:52
Right. 02:49:54
Supervisor Guggenberger. 02:49:58
Just clarification from Kim. Does it or does it not need to state the four elements for approval? 02:50:00
Or did you state it? 02:50:06
Yes, that ordinance would have to state that and that is part of the county code. 02:50:07
I'm sorry if I did not say state that based on the criteria in section. 02:50:11
2.3 point 4 point I. 02:50:15
Thank you. That is what the ordinance will need to. 02:50:17
Represent. 02:50:21
As it's drafted by the committee and I'm sure. 02:50:23
It will be with the assistance of staff and Corporation Council. 02:50:25
Supervisor Houchin. 02:50:31
So, umm. 02:50:32
I'm a little confused. 02:50:34
So we are not changing the vote at all by sending it back. We're just changing our records to show the vote. 02:50:36
Am I correct? 02:50:43
This is a separate. This is a separate motion. 02:50:44
So the county board did not approve the denial. 02:50:47
Right, correct. So now it's before the board. 02:50:50
With on a clean slate and you have a motion to approve the rezone petition. 02:50:53
And that motion to approve. 02:50:58
Includes a specific directive. 02:50:59
Of this board. 02:51:02
If you vote in favor of that motion. 02:51:03
To direct the drafting of an ordinance approving the rezone. 02:51:05
And bring that ordinance back to the board. 02:51:10
So you now need to take a separate vote on that motion. 02:51:14
You have a motion in a second. 02:51:16
We certainly can have discussion about that. 02:51:19
We have a motion on the floor. 02:51:28
To affirm. 02:51:34
Back to vote to affirm. 02:51:36
The rezone. 02:51:38
The committee. 02:51:41
To draft the ordinance. 02:51:42
Everybody understand that's where we're at. 02:51:44
If you vote yes. 02:51:48
You are agreeing. 02:51:49
To affirm the rezoning. 02:51:51
And sending it back. If you vote no, you are voting against the golf course. 02:51:55
And for clarity, it's the 15.1 acres. 02:52:00
15.1 acres of yes. 02:52:03
And what? What if that fails? 02:52:07
Else. 02:52:10
What does that mean? 02:52:12
We're not going to, we're not going to speculate about the outcome of the vote. You need to discuss and debate is the motion 02:52:14
before you. 02:52:17
And. 02:52:21
And then take the vote. 02:52:23
Mr. Chair, you please appreciate that what you did. 02:52:25
The motion is to approve the rezoning. 02:52:29
And send it back to committee. 02:52:34
To have an ordinance drafted. So if you agree with that, you vote yes. 02:52:36
If you. 02:52:41
Disagree and vote. 02:52:42
Want to vote against the rezoning? You vote no. 02:52:44
OK. Thank you. 02:52:47
Anyone else? 02:52:50
I'll repeat one more time if you're if you. 02:52:53
Vote yes, you're voting to. 02:52:56
Rezone the 15 acres and send it to committee. 02:52:58
For an ordinance, if you don't agree with that, please vote no. 02:53:02
Supervisor Conway. 02:53:17
Yes. 02:53:19
All having ordered, it passes 14 to 12. 02:53:21
Yeah. 02:53:29
Report one. 02:53:29
Ordinance 1173 An ordinance amending. 02:53:33
1000 officials zoning map. 02:53:39
Be the Dodge County land resource. 02:53:46
Parks nearby report favorably on the petition of spelling or requesting an amendment of the planned use code. 02:53:49
Jewelry itself. 02:53:56
832 acres from the length of a prime acre culture going to a. 02:53:57
I'm respectfully submitted this 19th day of August 2025, signed by five members of the Lady. 02:54:06
I have a motion by Supervisor Guggenberger, second by Supervisor Bell. 02:54:16
Any questions or comments on this one? 02:54:21
Any questions? 02:54:25
You agree with the recommended recommendation of the committee? Please both. 02:54:28
Wanted to know what they were going to use the land for. 02:54:33
Anyone. Two homes? I believe it is. 02:54:40
So usually you're changing. 02:54:43
Two non farm residential lots. 02:54:50
Any other questions? 02:54:57
If you agree with the recommendation. 02:55:01
Please vote yes if. 02:55:03
No. Please vote no. 02:55:05
Supervisor Conway. 02:55:11
Yes. 02:55:14
All having voted, it passes 2040. 02:55:17
Report 2. 02:55:22
117. 02:55:24
An ordinance amending. 02:55:26
2000 officials running back for the town of Trenton adopted but the land use code. 02:55:28
We, the Dodge County Land, Resources and Parks Committee, hereby report favorably on the petition of Lucas. 02:55:36
A SPA agent for Charles Unders. 02:55:43
Requesting amendment of land use code. 02:55:46
To rezone approximately 155.552 acres of land from a one prime agriculture's to a two general agriculture zoning. 02:55:51
All of which is respectfully submitted this 19th date of August 25, signed by four members of the Land Reap. 02:56:02
I have a motion by Supervisor Burnett, second by Supervisor Bischoff. 02:56:11
Any questions, comments on this? 02:56:16
Any question? 02:56:20
Being none. If you agree with the committee, please vote yes. If you do not, please vote no. 02:56:25
Supervisor Conway. 02:56:37
Yes. 02:56:40
All having voted, it passes 23 to 3. 02:56:42
Report 3. 02:56:47
Ordinance 1175. Ordinance Amendment 2000. The payroll. 02:56:48
Floodplain zoning. 02:56:54
County, Wisconsin Mildew milk. 02:56:57
We have a Dodge County land resources and for somebody here by. 02:57:02
Land Resources and Committee to amend the text of. 02:57:08
The Dodge County flood zoning ordinance. 02:57:12
All of which is respectfully submitted the 19th of August 25. 02:57:15
Signed by five members of the Land, Resources and Parks Committee. 02:57:20
Have a motion by Supervisor Bischoff, a second by Supervisor Gutenberg. 02:57:24
Questions. Comments on this? 02:57:29
President this week. 02:57:32
And if you agree with the committee's? 02:57:36
Recommendation. 02:57:39
Work. Please vote yes. If you do not, please vote no. 02:57:40
We got that. 02:57:48
Supervisor Conway. 02:57:51
Yes. 02:57:53
All having voted, it passes 26 to 0. 02:57:56
Claim one. 02:58:02
On the recommendation of the Dodge County Corporation Council, consultation with Wisconsin Municipal Insurance Company. 02:58:04
Be the Dodge County Executive Committee recommend that the Dodge County Board of Supervisors disallow the claim. 02:58:13
Made by Jessica's Babuski, dated April 22nd, 2025. 02:58:19
All of which is respect. 02:58:26
Please put those 19th day of August 2025 signed by. 02:58:28
Six members of the executive. 02:58:36
Have a motion by Ali, second by supervisor. 02:58:40
Questions. 02:58:45
If you agree if you agree with the recommendation of the. 02:58:47
Executive Committee. 02:58:51
Oh yes. 02:58:53
Supervisor Conway. 02:59:07
Yes. 02:59:09
All having voted, it passes 25 to 1. 02:59:12
On your desks. 02:59:19
Have the copy of the 20. 02:59:20
The 25/20/20. 02:59:24
6 Wisconsin money officials directly. 02:59:27
And the ADR seems. 02:59:30
Supervisor Johnson and make a motion to adjourn to the next meeting on Tuesday, September 16th. 02:59:35
At 6:00 PM. 02:59:40
Second by Supervisor Beale. All signified by Aye Aye. 02:59:43
Opposed 0. 02:59:50